When talking to a theological adherent, I sometimes start to laugh, then I realize their completely serious. Everytime my buddy's little daughter starts talking about the bible, as if it's fact, I want to punch her parents in the face. Not only are they injecting illogical information into her head, their going to create another stupid adult.
Yeah, all Christians are stupid. But I bet that little girl wouldn't use a word like "Soetimes" in the title of a topic, and would know that "their" should be "they're" in the first and last sentences of your diatribe.
Sometimes I don't hit the keys hard enough... And no matter how hard you try, you can't defend stupidity by pointing out spelling errors. As the intended inferrence was understood. Unless you're a moron and you actually believe that clap trap.
I must admit, in my humble opinion, this OP has merit.
I'm sorry.Are you saying you are brain dead? That's what your title implies.
I'm not a mormon, oops, I mean moron... A spelling error does not intelligence entail. Or do you believe yourself to be superior in some way? Ooh, your grammar's better than mine, I guess that makes me braindead then... So be it, at least I'm in touch with reality.
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? Is this a result of your brain cells dying off? My post had nothing to do with your poor spelling. It had to do with your statement that your brain is dying.
If it is, it is. Until a Dr. can confirm your prognosis, STFU...
My prognosis? Are you unwilling to accept that you made this statement? Although the loss of brain cells might affect memory, you should be able to look at the top of the thread to see what you wrote. Do I need to explain how to scroll your screen up? I can. I won't mind at all.
When did I claim to have a coherence above that of others? When did I say I was confused or having motor-funtion anomalies? I made no mention of having any cerebral difficulty, get over yourself...
Sorry about the language and the tone there of... Got up a little irritated this morning and didn't have my coffee yet.
That's ok. I was jerking your chain anyway. I can't believe you didn't remember the title you gave to the thread.
It was just a jab and it was meant to symbolize how aggrivating these conversations can be. I'm almost completely dumbfounded by some of the arguments I have the opportunity to envibe and I'll tell you what, some of the arguments I hear are completely, irrationally stupid. The more they defend their stance, the harder it is to buy into.
There are enough ignorant arguments to go around here. From all sides. Fortunately, what I see as ignorant could simply be my ignorance for not listening harder.
It's like this... If I subject a small child to my percieved truth, then how is said child going to be critical of what is learned later? If there is no logical information to support the claim, it becomes utter nonsense and hence, hurts my brain... It gives me a headache.
Anyone who attempts to make cosmic sense from a child might get a head ache. Anyone who arbitrarily assumes everyone else is a child because he doesn't take the time to follow their reasoning might be a head ache. Or egotistical. Or a combination.
My point is, communication is difficult when attempting to explain matters of the heart.
That's because the heart is not rational or logical, it's an organ and that's all it is.
That answer encapsulates the reasons your thoughts on religion and philosophy will always fall flat. The heart is an organ, but 'what we feel in our heart' is the heart of philosophy and our essence.
What I feel in my heart, is the spicey food I ate last night. Whatever I feel through intuition, I chalk up to the desire to understand or gain knowledge. While I see none as being wrong in these matters, doesn't mean I don't see the views as insane. If it's right, it's subjectively or objectively right by the individual.
This shows how little you know about the heart. Heartburn isn't really heart burn. The irritation is located in your esophagus.
I was making a point... I know what esophageal erosion is, I was being sarcastic.
Let's recap. If someone else uses the word heart and isn't refering solely to the organ, we kill your brain cells. If you refer to the heart, because you don't know what the cause of an indigestive problem is, it's sarcasm?
I don't have any valvular, arterial or pectoral discomfort, so I used the next best equivalent...
But it wasn't the best equivalent, though. Was it? You thought heart burn was a heart problem. So what? I know a guy who thought mohair was mole hair. He spent twenty minutes ranting about how inhumane it was to kill hundreds of moles to make a coat. We had a good laugh with him about it.
I didn't say it was a heart problem, I said the only thing I feel with my heart is the food I ate last night... It was a joke, not ignorance.
But it is ignorance. Heart burn has nothing to do with your heart. I fail to see the humor in making an ill informed statement.
Unless you were simply attempting to appear ill informed?
And what do christians do when they support the bible as fact? How realistic do they sound?
What does that have to do with your lack of knowledge about the human heart?
The christian lack of knowledge concerning reality...
Well, ok. You appear to be ignorant of human anatomy and that is part of reality. So, sure. You sound as ignorant of reality as an uneducated fundamentalist Christian.
Need I take pictures of my medical library and post them? I'm 35 years old... How on earth would I have problems with anatomy? If you think I litteraly have a problem with the biology of the human body, you ought to learn to read sarcasm.
It's almost like arguing physics with a grade schooler. They may know how to read, it doesn't mean they understand what their reading.
You are the one who compared your ignorance to that of a Christian. I was simply agreeing with you. There is no need to make up stories about owning a medical library. No one is going to believe that.
And, no. I don't think you are a grade schooler. Perhaps you have a GED?
Really? So if take multiple pictures of myself, with my books (college and otherwise), no one is going to believe me? You my friend, are an idiot.
I'm not gullible. Save yourself the trouble of fudging some pictures. I've read your posts.
I'm just waiting for my pics to upload. Until then, would you like to affirm how intelligent you are? Or are you a Christian? In which case, we can forget about any intellectual substance...
I'm not a Christian, but I'll be honest. Anything you post to back up your claim will, in my opinion, be bogus. Why would you believe anything I claimed about myself when I see no reason to believe you?
Need I load some more, would that sate your critical idea of my level of honesty?
Oh yeah... her's a few of me, just in case you have any doubts.
If you still don't believe it's me, look at my avatar and the picture in the background of one of the above pics. notice any paintings or similarities there of? If you don't, you're stupid and blind.
You do realize all you might have proven is that there are books in your apartment building that you borrowed in order to attempt to pretend you own them? Seriously, man. I've read your posts. You couldn't spell half of the titles, much less understand anything written between the covers.
I got into university, not based on my abillity to spell, more so on my level of comprehension. Or have you never been to an accredited school? Probably not, as you see validity in the bible. Get an education and stop trying to defend what you yourself can't comprehend.
I'd be willing to bet good money the only time you spent at university was on the janitorial staff. But, I promised Eric I'd stop. So, you're off the hook for now.
Oh really? and that's supposed to protect your level understanding from being called into question? What do you know of things? You don't know me and if you did, you'd eat your words. You feel that you are superior to me in a way, why? Was your mommy a grammar teacher? Do you like people like Martha Stewart?
You still there or did you run out of ways to call my level of understanding into question?
I consider it a parent's job to lay the foundation of faith, the child's job to later choose whether to build their own faith on it or not. I would actually take issue with any Christian parent who thought their duty to pass down their faith went beyond that.
Besides, every parent has subjective beliefs, and they will influence their children based on those beliefs one way or another. And even if they don't the child will inevitably encounter other influences, be it friends or other family or teachers or media. In short, you can't possibly raise a child to adulthood as a tabula rasa. So why draw arbitrary lines on what can or can not be taught?
I'd rather be the first one they hear from on a given subject, thank you much. Since, you know, I'm the parent. And that doesn't mean I won't teach them objectivity and critical thinking too. If they never make the adult decision to build on the foundation I lay or abandon it I could never call the faith they show "real" anyway. I want my children to be human beings, not parrots.
That's good to hear, because there are alot of bible robots out there and they've only their upbringing to blame.
That's called childhood religious indoctrination and is now considered abuse.
So, you're saying it's a parents duty to abuse their children?
Then, you shouldn't indoctrinate them into your faith in the first place.
Which was the point... How can one justify propagating such nonsense as fact?
Then why are you talking to me instead of calling CPS?
because we don't care about your kids, so much as how they will affect their kids and the world at large.
Hey, better indoctrinated than brain dead. Don't you think?
Well, gee, thanks for saving me the trouble of saying it. That was going to be my next argument.
So it's all about agenda, then. 'k.
Because CPS would either laugh him out of their offices, or send him to a shrink.
Organizations are lobbying the CPS to include religious indoctrination. No, they wouldn't laugh me out send me to a shrink as this subject is being taken quite seriously, but obviously not by you.
If you weren't such an extremist, I might take you seriously. They might too.
No, believers don't take reality seriously, usually they deny it, just like you.
More asinine drivel. I'm not inclined to pretend reality is what you see it as. You're too negative. If you can't see the good with the bad, any solution you offer is likely to throw the baby out with the bath water. That's child abuse ATM.
SOMEBODY CALL CPS! QUICK!!
Wow, the nonsensical beliefs coming from you just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.
Throw the baby out with the bath water? Hilarious.
I love that song... Ten pole tudor was awesome.
At least you have retained your sense of humor during your little war on all things spiritual. I'm sure that has been a comfort to you.
And, you have still offered absolutely nothing in the defense of religion.
And you see, that's the hell of it all: No one should have to.
As far as believers like yourself are concerned, I can understand that. Try telling that to the many groups of people who have experienced genocide at the hands of religions like yours.
I'm afraid I am not guilty of genocide by association. People are accountable for their actions, not their beliefs.
I'd be the first in line to demand prosecution for someone who claims to murder in the name of God. I'd also be the first in line to defend someone whose beliefs were different from mine if I thought their rights were being violated.
But, you support the same organization and beliefs that caused those genocides and a host of other atrocities throughout history.
How very noble, why not instead be the first in line to denounce your religion for the millions of people murdered as a result of those beliefs?
I don't see a need to defend religion ATM. But, I also don't see a need to unreasonably attack it.If the problem with religion is that it causes strife and ill will; how is your approach any different?
Don't you mean the intellectually dishonest "approach" you placed in my mouth?
Also, there's the fact that a heart attack can be mistaken as heartburn. Read about it, if you can do that...
Because you are actually free to do that, as mind boggling a freedom that is and as tragic as it is practiced.
But hey, feel free to teach your children they'll burn for an eternity if they don't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
Darned ol' founding fathers, protecting us from an Orwellian thought crime dystopia. What is their deal?
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Obviously not, since you seem to have a problem with free expression and right to privacy.
At the very least, why don't you think reeeeeeaall long and hard about the implications of a government that has the power to dictate what ideas parents can teach their children. You see no potential problem with that? No slippery slope, if you will?
No, it appeared you were talking gibberish. You are free to express whatever you want, so please don't accuse of me of having a problem with that when that is not what I ever said. You also have the right to privacy just as much as you have the right to indoctrinate your children into your faith.
But, you aren't really teaching them, you're indoctrinating them. Do you know the difference?
Um, this appears to fly directly in the face of several of your other posts across several threads. You've called "indoctrination" a form of child abuse, you've said it was a travesty that action can't be taken against it, and you've applauded organizations that are lobbying to make it illegal.
Now I have the right?
Yes, I do. Enough, first of all, to know that very early in life pretty much everything you teach a child is indoctrination, until they're old enough to think critically. I will still teach my children the basic tenets of my faith, if for no other reason than I think it would be dishonest to feign neutrality on a subject on which I am not neutral. Fire and brimstone will not be a part of it. Fear of negative consequences is nothing more than primitive behavior modification, as I'm sure you'll agree.
The older they get, the more I will emphasize that they have both the freedom and the responsibility to weigh all the options and decide for themselves whether they want to continue in the faith. I honestly will not allow them to be confirmed in the church if I suspect that they're only doing it to please me.
That may not be good enough for you, but it's what I got.
Teach em wot god sed innit.
After 15 years of you teaching them that majik is real, it is OK that they reject it ifn u think they have weighed all the options?
Majik/no majik? LOLOLOL
Will u continue in the faith you have been spoon fed for 15 years? LOL
Prolly not innit.
Something like that. See, I'm thinking we'll have a private ceremony where we'll have a room with a Bible and a book marked "Heathen Teachings" except it won't actually be a book; it'll be a box with a live rattlesnake in it. And there will be a doorway marked "Way of the King" with a crucifix, a plate of pink frosted cupcakes, and a puppy clearly visible in the room beyond, and another door marked "Gateway to Hell" with a room filled with whatever triggers her strongest phobia at the time.
I will then have my daughter lay on a guillotine and rest my hand on the lever in a casual, non-threatening way while I ask her what, based on all of the objective evidence she's seen, her opinion of God is.
I have no idea how you're drawing those conclusions. You always did have the right to indoctrinate your children, that doesn't stop it from being abuse nor will it stop organizations from lobbying against it.
I see, so you don't really know the difference between indoctrination and teaching.
Sure, when they're old enough, however they'll be fully indoctrinated into your lack of feigned neutrality by then and it will too late.
mischeviousme, please delete this statement or else apologize to Emile. I can delete this post of mine too if you do that. I really don't want to break my policy of not reporting anyone, but seriously you had no business telling anyone to shut up especially with the letters you used.
Yeah, and I thought mischeviousme was neutral on the subject. Or so I think I heard him say. But apparently not so neutral at all....
He appears to be the type who runs over to the side that is yelling the loudest at the moment.
I was neutral, but now is the time for war. Religion is destroying the face of society and must be put in check.
Lol....you are full of it.
You are trying to mimic a troubled man or mark knowles.sorry, but you just dont have what it takes honey
Having read his posts for the last few months, I tend to agree.
Sometimes when I make a ludicrously condescending thread my nipples get excited. I consider high fiving myself but really that would just be clapping and might dampen the awesomeness of the moment, so I content myself with F5-ing until some unwitting believer gives me another excuse to be condescending.
You're trying to make religious people look bad, but really you're probably helping them because you're making yourself look so much worse right now....
Sorry about that... sometimes you gotta deal with idiots on their level and it takes some time.
Just a word of warning. I wouldn't report you, because you are hilarious. But calling people idiots is frowned on as a personal attack. That's twice you've called me an idiot. You might try to be a little more round about with the personal insults.
I apologize. He's such an easy target, I got carried away. I'll stop.
I'm easy? And you see the bible as being fact? If anybody's easy, it's the people that buy the crap evangelists and other believers spew. It's garbage, worth nothing more tinder for a fire.
Since I don't believe the Bible, you're showing yourself to be desperate. Give it up while you are behind because you are fast losing ground.
When you call 95 percent of the population insane and stupid, you have to expect a barrage of negative feedback.
I think you bit of more than you can chew.
I call my own sanity into question daily and idiots aren't always stupid, just idiotic.
In my defense, I never called christians stupid, I called them idiots because christianity is stupid. Especially if it's based on the bible...
You shouldnt have to defend yourself. Have faith in your convictions, and stand up for yourself like a man.
I am but a man, though I am mindful of my mind, even if it doesn't function at 100%, 100% of the time. But that's what makes us flawed, the belief that we have a grip on reality.
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