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Moslem Imam converts to Christ, who miraculously healed him

  1. aka-dj profile image76
    aka-djposted 5 years ago

    No question, or specific point other that Christ is REAL, and you can never be sure you are right, outside of HIM.

    Watch this short video, and meditate on it's message.
    No audio needed as it's subtitled, and is only 4;44 mins long.

    Enjoy1 smile
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTSUVg0v_Fc

    1. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      lol

    2. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Christ is NOT real...as you have already demonstrated months ago.  This Imam is merely substituting one delusion for another. 
      Why should anyone desire to meditate on such egregious psychotic nonsense.

      1. aka-dj profile image76
        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        What a life transforming change of delusions.

        Probably at the risk of death.
        Moslems don't take lightly their believers leaving their faith.
        (Something you would know little about.)

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          jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Giardiano Bruno.

          1. aka-dj profile image76
            aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Was getirtite burned at the stake recently? (as was Giardiano Bruno)

            Sorry, truly had no idea.
            I'm soooo sorry to hear that! sad

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              jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              What has getitrite got to do with any of it?
              Anybody can take a decision that may prove detrimental to once life, how does it show god? By your logic the terrorists who stakes their life are the biggest proof for Allah.

              1. aka-dj profile image76
                aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                OK.
                Now, speak for yourself, not him.

                When did you risk your life on your faith?

                Convert, or die. OR, Convert and die. As the case may be.

                I recon your bark is louder than your bite.

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                  jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  What are you driving at?
                  Your point was somebody who takes a life changing decision is the proof of god.
                  I pointed out that people who take life changing decision irrespective of your god, and even irrespective of reason and logic(there are people who committee suicide when Michel Jackson died, does it prove Jackson is god?) hence that is not a proof. Can't you understand even that much?

                  1. aka-dj profile image76
                    aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I never tried to "prove" anything.

                    What "proof" are you talking about?

        2. Freya Cesare profile image63
          Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I'm absolutely fine with it. tongue

          1. aguasilver profile image81
            aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Are you stating that killing someone who decides that their faith of birth was wrong, is acceptable and justified?

            Simply because they chose a different faith?

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Why not? Christians are still murdering each other for following different cults.

              1. aguasilver profile image81
                aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Once again Mark....

                http://b.vimeocdn.com/ps/294/348/2943485_300.jpg

            2. Freya Cesare profile image63
              Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              why you have to see the worst in other's line before you understand the whole  meaning?

              I meant, I don't care if someone changing his religion because it is his right and his right only.

              God give us free will. Whether we want to be in this religion or that religion, or not in any religion, the choice is on us. Complaining about someone changing religion like arguing with God about why He gave human free will.

    3. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like a fabrication... One made to draw followers to christianity, not for the  people, for the church.

    4. Disappearinghead profile image79
      Disappearingheadposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for sharing aka-dj. It's easy for the naysayers to dismiss as a fabrication because otherwise they would be challenged to reconsider their positions.

      1. aguasilver profile image81
        aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Which is EXACTLY my point... smile

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        jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Now that you pointed it out, how do you know it is not a fabrication?

        1. Disappearinghead profile image79
          Disappearingheadposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I would say it was unlikely. What has the man to gain from making it up? Money, fame, a sense of superiority for fooling people with lies? He has a lot to lose for sharing this event; potential persecution, alienation from family.

          Why do you assume that any experience of God is a fabrication? If the scientific community dismissed out of hand any occurances that were alien to them, we would still be living in the middle ages.

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            jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            It was not me but you who used fabrication first. Though I saw the video such a thought didn't enter my mind, if it had I would've said it before you.
            As you told about god, we have so many incidence of fabrication before and there is no god, so mostly miracles are just lame explanations.

            1. Disappearinghead profile image79
              Disappearingheadposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              It was mishieviousme who suggested fabrication first.

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                jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                I didn't notice.
                Again, why a Muslim Imam is chosen for the miracle while there are thousands of faithful christians with the same affliction. May be Mr. Jesus is bored or was trying to convert Ethiopians only, or the Christians are ingrate not to come out with the healing they got.

                1. bushraismail profile image59
                  bushraismailposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Exactly a sinful muslim sees god while thousads of faithful cry for this opportunity everyday......mm..maybe it was satan in the form of Jesus..
                  or maybe its a cock and bull story.. where is the proof and even if its true ..so what??

                  youtube offers videos or angels and aliens sighted etc. so should we believe all?

                  get a life people.

    5. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
      Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It just goes to show the type of easily swayed and manipulated people that join religions.

      1. aka-dj profile image76
        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Did you watch the video?

        It was ANYTHING but easy a conversion.
        If you know anything about the Muslim faith, converting to Christianity (or just away from Islam) is a lot harder (for them) than you give credit to.

        1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
          Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I think that depends on where you live. Some places in the US it is hard not to be a christian too.

          Religion at its best. big_smile

          1. aka-dj profile image76
            aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe so, but they don't kill you for it.

            1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
              Jesus was a hippyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Not even with a shotgun from the back of a pickup?

              You sure about that?

            2. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              They used to, but now we have "man made" laws that don't allow "good Christians" to kill people for not being "good Christians".

          2. Freya Cesare profile image63
            Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, it's true. It depend from where you live. My country hold the biggest Muslim community in the world and many had converted  because marriage, insight and every reason they could find. But no killing ever happened.

            1. aka-dj profile image76
              aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              That's good to know.
              Sadly, that's not the case in many other countries.

              1. Freya Cesare profile image63
                Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                killing and peace happened in every community. the problem is in the human mind and human mind only.

                1. aguasilver profile image81
                  aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Indonesia seems to be a relatively sane country.

                  "The government in Indonesia - the country with the world's largest Muslim population - generally respected religious freedom, according to the report, but in some instances failed to protect persons from religious discrimination and abuse.

                  It cited reporting from a nongovernmental organization that there were more than 50 attacks against members of the Muslim Ahmadiyah sect during 2010 and more than 75 attacks against Christians."

                  http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011 … tan-indone

                  1. Freya Cesare profile image63
                    Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Well, like I told you. this is the human's mind problem. Stupidity and ignorant is everywhere.

                    While people said they are religious, they following blindly, not to the teaching of religion, but to the leaders which are human being. They didn't care to learning by themselves about their own religion and believing only what their teachers told them. This is indeed, the biggest problem in my community. 'THINK!', Allah told them. But no, they refused to do that.

                    As the result, when they see something not right in their opinion, fear claimed their hearts and since they didn't want to think, it control them. together, fears turned into rage and resulted these awful incidents.

                    Aren't this kind of problems happened a lot there too? Killing Afghan, killing Iraqi, long ago, killing Indian.

                  2. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
                    ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    aquasilver - 7624 hate crimes took place in the USA, in 2007 alone, mostly against African Americans. I don't know how you will defend the sanity here.

                    http://www.teamwmi.org/educational-info … -by-group/

                2. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Human mind, indeed.

                  Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

                  Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."

                  1. aguasilver profile image81
                    aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    My, my, TM, you are a multi faith serial abuser, I'm impressed! smile

                    Mind you, the Muslims may not be as forgiving as we Christians are... sad

                  2. Vin Chauhun profile image79
                    Vin Chauhunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    millions of Hindus slaughtered when the Muslims conquered India...as per [9:11-12] and [4:89]......entire towns were raised , hundreds of thousands of women, men and children sold into slavery.

    6. twosheds1 profile image61
      twosheds1posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You're right! There is absolutely no way the producers of this video would fake any of this, or lie, or create this story out of whole cloth. Why would they?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks aka-dj for posting this.
      Beautiful testimony.  smile
      Hallelujah!

      1. aka-dj profile image76
        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        You're welcome.

        Thanks for the "thanks". It's the only one here, I believe! smile

  2. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 5 years ago

    I watched this video and......... find it still hasn't changed my opinion or belief.

    Now how do I get my 5 minutes back?

    1. aguasilver profile image81
      aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Apply to head office and detail your complaint, it will be attended to by one of Gods operatives and investigated fully.*

      Once the investigation has been completed, and if your complaint is upheld, the five minutes will be added to the end of your life.

      We find this time most valuable for folk to reconsider what they have believed true.

      May you use your time wisely.

      God Inc.
      You are never more than a prayer away....


      *Your business is important to us and we hope you are satisfied with this reply, we at God Inc are customer service orientated and all requests, complaints and points of contact are dealt with in real time.

      1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
        Kangaroo_Jaseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Already rang the dept and got the usual silence.

        1. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Check your receiver, it may be dead.

          1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
            Kangaroo_Jaseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Of that I do not doubt smile

  3. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
    Kangaroo_Jaseposted 5 years ago

    Still there are two major inconsistencies with this vid.

    Unknown translator on the audio, that may be any language being spoken.

    Secondly, if the former imam has AIDS, then didn't have AIDS, he would become the pin cushion for testing by about every expert trying to find a cure for AIDS.

    1. aka-dj profile image76
      aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      If he was miraculously healed, what exactly would they find in his system that would be of any use? Antibodies?
      He was tested, and there were NO signs of the desease. No signs, means, well you know..nothing there.

      1. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
        Kangaroo_Jaseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        That's the problem with miracles, no possible independent proof he had the disease in the first place. No independent proof he was 'cured'.

        Please, before you retort. I get it, you won't need to postulate the lowest common denominator to attempt to explain to me, thankyou.

        1. aka-dj profile image76
          aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          How do you know there was no desease, or independent report?

          Were you there when he said he was sick with aids?
          Were you there when he was re-tested, as he said he was?

          No-one is forcing you to believe. It's a video that talks about one man's experience, miracle and conversion as a result.

          I mean, it's his story, not a PhD for submission to peers.

      2. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        This is mind-boggling.  Just go ahead and explain away REALITY by invoking magic.  This is intellectual dishonesty.

        1. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Trite is aptly included in your name... smile

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            It appears that word would also apply to your statement above, and your ridiculous, imaginary God--which is disturbingly unintelligent.

            It's funny how believers can dismiss serious sensible observations as mere trite, but accept the most stupid, most childish explanations as the absolute truth.

            I hope the cognitive dissonance doesn't bother you.

  4. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 5 years ago

    Apparently there was no miracle performed, and all we have are Christians lying to support their childish, untrue beliefs.  How desperate.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image79
      Disappearingheadposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Really? We're you there? Did you interview his friends before and after? Have you seen the medical records?

      No thought not. You dismiss with ignorance.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Why would I need to be there? 



        The laws of nature cannot be violated, hence it is not ignorance that prompts me to dismiss nonsense such as miracles.  Of course you are free to be as naive and gullible as you wish.  How absurd.

      2. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Now, that is an interesting response, believers actually using the very same argument that can so easily be used against them. Priceless!

    2. aka-dj profile image76
      aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      How so?

      Do you know this guy?
      Were you there?
      Did you TEST the claim?

      You make some absurd claims from a limited perspective.

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    Aneesa786posted 5 years ago

    It's Muslim not Moslem.

    1. aguasilver profile image81
      aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Do they kill you for getting the spelling wrong as well, or only for leaving their faith?

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        Aneesa786posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Calm down, i was only correcting the spelling. No need to be sarcastic.

        1. aka-dj profile image76
          aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          FYI.
          Wikipedia "A Muslim, also spelled Moslem,[1] is an adherent of Islam, .  .  .  "

          Also, "When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted,"Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam." No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim." http://hnn.us/articles/524.html.

          It does clarify some differences that Muslims make, but given the setting here, it does not apply.
          It could have been used either way in this case, meaning the same thing.

          However, considering the context of the thread, perhaps Moslem would indeed be a better application.

        2. aguasilver profile image81
          aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Peace smile It had been a day of dealing with fools!

          1. Mark Knowles profile image59
            Mark Knowlesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Passive/aggressive to a fault. This is why your religion causes so much ill will and hate.

            I expect you will start telling us how much you love and respect us again. Then back to backhanded insults once more.

            Fools who won't listen to your threats. Then it turns out your threats are empty and you actually believe you get another chance when you are dead.

            No need to make a choice before it is too late! then?

            1. aguasilver profile image81
              aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              That's an oxymoron Mark of course we need to make our decision before it is too late! errrr.... to late is too late!

              I just stated that, outside of scriptural evidence I SUSPECTED that there may be a period of non locality when we are able to review our lives.

              Of course this is just a suspicion, not even a belief, maybe more a hope that there may be some chance...

              But equally it could be the point when those who do NOT qualify for spending eternity with God FINALLY accept, and even agree, that they decided wrongly and are guilty as charged.

              As for burning in hell, I also covered that recently, and intend to cover it in a hub when I have time, but you know that the burning in hell scenario is a stick you use, not me.

              I just don't chase sticks any longer.

  6. aka-dj profile image76
    aka-djposted 5 years ago

    Here's a less severe consequence of being/becoming a Christian within a Moslem community!

    http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10909 … -christian

    A religion of peace, indeed! sad

    1. Freya Cesare profile image63
      Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I heard klu klux clan still exist until now. 

      http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/int … p;item=KKK

      http://kukluxklan.bz/

      are they the sign of peace?

      Look deep inside your own community before you start pointing your finger to another community. You can't judge one religion by behaviour several of their members. Blaming, hating, discriminating and killing already happened too often since the beginning of religions. This kind of forum only put more salt into the wound. Isn't we have enough already?

      this link bellow have it's point.

      http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/chris … ations.htm

      We need better way to help each other: religious and non religious people, can we sit together and think a better way to make this world better place than just pointing our finger to each other?

    2. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
      ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      aka-dj- The article does not mention about anyone killed for leaving the religion or blasphemy in Pakistan. Anyways; this is for you to find out, how many were convicted under the blasphemy law up till now.

      1. aka-dj profile image76
        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I did say "less severe".

        That means not killed, but certainly discriminated against!

        How badly are Muslim Pakistanis treated in host countries they move to?

        1. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
          ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          aka-dj: The credit goes to the international media who create sensation out of such stories. The fact is that Christians live as freely in Pakistan as Muslims live in the west, infect here we don't have the homeland security dept. to spy over and harass Christians or to arrest them such that they don't have the right to bail etc.

  7. pisean282311 profile image61
    pisean282311posted 5 years ago

    pity on this imam...leaving one illusion and entering another doesnot solve anything...

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      jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Funny, isn't it?

      1. pisean282311 profile image61
        pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        @jomine hmmm...ya but i just hope this imam lives long enough to leaven this christ concept too...

    2. Freya Cesare profile image63
      Freya Cesareposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, pisean. His decision will never solve anything because the problem lay there in his behaviours.

      1. pisean282311 profile image61
        pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        @freya true...quiet right...

    3. aka-dj profile image76
      aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It DID for him!

      1. pisean282311 profile image61
        pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        @aka-dj thats why i said i wish he lives for another 30 yrs ...imam changed his minds once and he can change it and see for himself...he thinks it solved his problem...

        1. aka-dj profile image76
          aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          It DID solve his problems.

          Why would you want to take that away?
          To be like you?
          Bit selfish, don't you think!

          1. pisean282311 profile image61
            pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            @aka-dj nope...totally selfless without any agenda like normal believers of christ have...

            i want him to get beyond external illusion/beliefs/figures like christ or hussein or muhammad or moses  and get to source of what solved his problem...

            1. aka-dj profile image76
              aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              And that would be JESUS CHRIST.

              Who else could have solved his AIDS problem?

              Maybe jomine? He's a doctor, or surgeon or something!

              1. pisean282311 profile image61
                pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                @aka-dj or that would be hussein or shiva or anyone...name is not important...there have been miracle stories all across the globe...u can search and read yourself...not every story had jesus behind it....we had a saudi girl few months back on hubpages...she shared few miracle stories where muhammad was involved....so figure is least important out here....problem is we are too focused on figures which are not important...

              2. mischeviousme profile image59
                mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                He may have a mutation that helped his body to produce antibodies, it's happened before and there are documented cases of such occurances. Where's your proof to support your Jesus theory?

                1. pisean282311 profile image61
                  pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  @mis exactly....and also this is not first story of miracle...if we view world wide miracle stories , figure varies in those stories...that proves that figures are never important...it is something to do with human brain than to anything else...if jesus was sole figure in all stories it would have been different thing but since we have so many different figures , it says something else...

                  1. mischeviousme profile image59
                    mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    It says that christians may intentionaly be in denial... For instance; If I went to school and they gave me rational, logical information and then went to church on Sunday, only to throw ot what I'd learned in school, would be intentionaly limiting any educational value in either mindset. A belief without brains, is a belief wasted on naivetay.

  8. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
    ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years ago

    aquasilver: And the population of Indonesia is 237 million.

    1. aguasilver profile image81
      aguasilverposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, and I live in Malaysia, another peaceful and tolerant Islamic state, and do business with Indonesia, and love the people, so I am NOT being aggressive, America is in a vile state, and I make no excuse. smile

      But equally, as a Christian in a Muslim country, I am forbidden by law to speak about Christ to any 'bumi putra' and would be arrested if I did, unless they ask me first, and even then I could be arrested.

      Is that tolerance?

      1. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
        ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I agree that this world really needs tolerance. When hurting the feelings of another religion and disrespecting their religious figures is called freedom of expression, there is little chance but lets hope for the best.

        1. pisean282311 profile image61
          pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          @arsha violence in name of sentiments getting hurt must be condemned and those who turn violent in name of any faith must be hold to task...if somebody feels hurt , court is there...none has right to be violent in name of faith...in end we have 400 faiths...all faiths are equal in rule of law...now somebody can get hurt by some expression...we cant allow anyone to use violent means in name of hurt..

      2. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe this is your idea of tolerance? lol

  9. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
    ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years ago

    I agree but hate breeds violence and anything that breads hate must be avoided in order to promote harmony. Anyone who holds the law in his hands is wrong but even laws should be such that it controls hate mongers. I think that the state should play its role in creating an atmosphere where minorities do not feel scared or targeted and that goes for all countries.

    1. pisean282311 profile image61
      pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      @arshad one must be free to express...but if someone has problem with that expression , he/she must be made civilized to go to court...if person is not civilized enough , religion has failed ...

      christ might be god for christian but he is common man for atheist and other faiths barring islam...in same way muhammad may be prophet for muslims but for rest he is common man...one can express what one thinks of christ or muhammad or any....if someone feels hurt from that , he/she reserves only one right and that is approaching court...coming to street and burning public property or making threats must be booked severely...

      1. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
        ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        When we were kids, hurting someone's feelings by making a mock of the person or his loved one's, was considered 'bullying'. I don't know why when we grew up it became 'freedom of expression'. And I am talking about hurting someone's feelings not forcing someone to follow your religion. I feel respecting people and their religious figures is not that bad idea if we like to promote harmony and peace in this World. Having said that-- I respect your right to disagree with me.

        1. pisean282311 profile image61
          pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          @arshad u r missing the point....drawing prophet photo is bullying?....bullying is not allowing some one to draw photo....bullying is not allowing people to express what they think about prophets or god or gods etc....

          my point is simple...if x draws muhammad's photo , it is his/her right to express...if y or z feels hurt it is y or z's right to appeal to court...matter ends...

          violence on street , threatening artist etc  should be dealt strictly by law....people should not be allowed to bring out their cave ways in name of religion....we dont live in 7th century or 1st century or 1000 bc...we live in era where we have courts in place world over...

          1. ARSHAD MAJID profile image80
            ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            pisean-- I agree that y should go to the court and may be the court would make x understand that drawing the picture of Muhammad is not liked by y so, it would be better if x abstains from any act that is hurting the feelings of y.  I think the word is sadist used for people who find pleasure in hurting other people's feeling for nothing.

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              jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              If you are to be hurt by such taunts either you are immature or you have something to hide. Don't blame the mirror if the face is bad.

            2. pisean282311 profile image61
              pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              @arshad it is not being sadist , it is being creative and expressing one's fundamental right....fundamental right doesnot include threats , killing and violence....other than that religious person reserves right to sue , to protest,to object, to write counter articles etc....but none has right in name of prophet or god or any one to threaten,kill or destroy public property....

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                ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                So, what am I doing here, am I not protesting through arguments and dialog? I feel that provoking violence should not come under fundamental rights and people should realize that something that is not necessary and on the contrary is damaging love, peace and harmony should not be called fundamental rights. But off-course these are my views which I like to put across through dialog. You may agree or disagree.

                If our intentions are to create peace, we should try to understand each other and avoid "unnecessary" actions that could damage harmony.

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                  pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  @arshad drawing muhammad doesnot provoke violence...does it?...what provokes violence is misunderstanding religion...it is not job of people to judge others...if person is religious , he/she believes it is gods job...let god judge...who are u and me to do that?....if i believe drawing a man who lived in 7th century hurts me , well i can file complain...thats it...full stop...coming to streets burning public property is barbaric act...it is total failure of understanding of religion...

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          jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Does it apply only to the major religious beliefs or all? My religion says sun is god and you are hurting my feelings when you say sun is just a star and similar to a hydrogen bomb and is lifeless material thing. So to stop hurting my feelings please stop saying sun is just a star and please stop teaching that in schools.

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            pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            lol ya and when someone says jesus in only way , it hurts feelings of other faiths...when some one says yaweh is only god , it hurts feelings of others , when some one says allah is only god and muhammad is seal of prophet , that hurts feelings of others...

  10. aka-dj profile image76
    aka-djposted 5 years ago

    For the doubters, and sceptics. (edit; doubters of Islam killing converts)

    Here's another story for you.

    http://www.godvine.com/Woman-Gets-Sente … th-87.html

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      jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Are you so desperate and your god so foolish to find some idiotic people to prove his mettle and talk for him?

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        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Just watch the video!

        Stop being so trivial and boring.

        It's a cnn story, on godvine.

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          jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Is it about the regrowing limb of an amputee?

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            aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            No.

            Are you too scared to watch?

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              jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I've too much use for my time to waste on fools.

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                aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                That's a LIE. :cool;

                You can't resist chatting (?) with me and many like me.
                All fools. Every one of us.


                Now, be gone from this place!!! lol lol lol

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                  jomineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  If you are speaking for your lot, then I wholeheartedly agree.
                  But I missed the word abject from that post and should have added liars to make a distinction of celebrity fools  from common fools..
                  I like to go to zoo to see animals but certainly do not want go to the wild for the same.

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        pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        lol

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      ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      aka-dj--  I know you post such news items considering it as a social service to stop injustice in Pakistan. I just like to inform you that the video has twisted the blasphemy law saying that whoever defies Prophet Muhammad commits a crime--  when it is that who ever insults Muhammad, Jesus, Jacob or any other prophet he should be punished.

      But very few people know that this law is there for more than two decades in Pakistan. It was added into the constitution by the late President Zia-ul-Haq but nobody, I repeat nobody has been put to death for this law up till now. It was probably made to work as a deterrent so that no group uses abusive language against each other in a multi-religious country like Pakistan.

      Even the case against this woman in this video may be totally fabricated but in Pakistan such things are very common. Since it was against a Christian, it got international attention.

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        mischeviousmeposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Why go to another's temple and eat of their offering? Would that not make one a heathon? If I taste of another's feast without invitation, have I not commited a "sin"? Have we fallen so far as a species, as to hate those words of other men?

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        aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        So, what you are saying is that NEVER is a Christian believer shunned, rejected, hated, attacked, abused, threatened or jailed in Pakistan?

        I find that claim more sensational than saying it's media hype!

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          ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          No; I am saying that the frequency is not any different than what is happening in the west against Muslims or other minorities. 

          Just rephrase your question and tell me that did any such incident never happened to Muslims out of the 7624 hate crimes that take place annually in the USA?

          I was just telling that Pakistan is infect being targeted and the statistics tell a different story then the media sensations. 

          By the way I am posting the Amnesty International Report about mistreatment of Muslims in Europe. All I say that instead of arguing, we should try to prove our point through reports of esteemed organizations.

          http://www.iengage.org.uk/component/con … -in-europe

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            pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            @arshad europe is far far better dude...where in world u can see posting of banner likes 'Islam would rule world' , death to denmark etc and govt tolerating....just imagine having banner in saudi calling 'Christianity would rule the world' , death to saudi etc and govt tolerate it?

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              ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              This is one example but Saudi Arabian forces are not involved in any combat in any Christian country. So, there is not everything bad about even Saudi Arabia but I agree they should allow banners.

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                pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                @arshad to go for combat one needs strength...since time of umar , muslims didnt do only combat , they invaded countries...didnt they?

                coming to saudi , they dont even allow churches to be formed...

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                  ARSHAD MAJIDposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes; I know that before the world became civilized, there was a race to occupy more and more land, otherwise the other colonial power would do that and may threaten your existence. But in today's civilized world, how could you apply the 7th century trend.

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                    pisean282311posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    @arshad exactly...thats the whole point...current civilized values include freedom of expression , democracy , right to criticize , right to choose...condemning any form of violence in name of any faith , separating church and governance....we cant apply trends of 7th century in todays world...

  11. Vin Chauhun profile image79
    Vin Chauhunposted 5 years ago

    I have no problem, Iran having nukes, israel has them , and has a much, much more powerful military than Iran. a usual the americans and the EU are making life difficult for the rest of us, do they seriuosly think , sanctions are going to have any impact on the Iranians, they will get the bomb anyway, not two years from now but four, five years from now. If the west had to play an honest role in the middle east , we would not have these problems[this impacts me directly..high fuel costs:)]

    i dont see a solution to this problem at all....

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      aka-djposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Slightly off topic, don't you think?

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        Vin Chauhunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        oooops,,,,yep.....smile

 
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