I've never seen evidence that Christians are persecuted. I do think some like to fantasize that they are
Though it is not obvious there are christians being pesecuted. It is not talked about on the news and never mentioned in the paper, but It is happening. For proof copy and paste this link in to your search engine http://christianpersecutioninamerica.com/
It's probably difficult to find a news source that will waste time on covering whining. Since there is so much credible news about how Christians are attempting to stomp on our liberties, on a daily basis.
Personally, I don't believe we are. We may take a lot of crap from secular, liberal groups, but we sure as heck give it back (or receive it as payback for the crap we gave first).
Born and raised in the USA, I've never experienced any sort of religious persecution - not even while I was a nun, and wore a habit. I've found that in general, people truly and sincerely respect a person with deep religious commitment, they just don't have the same respect for those people when their commitment motivates them to evangelize it all over the place.
But we respect the hell out of you when you join a convent and keep it to yourselves.
Hush, Mark Knowles. I have kept it to myself, silly, till now. Did you know?
Edit: But I see your point.
No - I didn't. Odd idea all 'round though. Saw a lot when I was last in the Vatican. A LOT!
I've never been to the Vatican, but there are many reasons I chose not to pursue religious life - some were because in my particular community, I didn't feel that it was the most psychologically sound way of life. I've no illusions about the Church, but I can say this. Many priests and religious are wonderful, caring, educated, and compassionate individuals - but the Church is certainly not above becoming a haven for those who are not.
The "church" is not above anything.
Had a tour of the private areas of the Vatican recently. Astounding......
I dont know anything about the Vatican but isnt the Sistine chapel there? Did you see it? Or take photos? Can you take photos of it?
Interesting that you mention cloistered environment not being the most psychologically healthy.
I bet they don't do any kind of psychological testing on novices to make sure the call to God is true and the person can live celibate, in poverty, etc.
It has always struck me that it takes an extremely special (for lack of a descriptive term that is not unintentionally pejorative) person to be a priest or nun.
Anyway, this is quite an interesting tidbit about you M2C.
Very cool, you are.
She already thinks humans are special. No need for more ego incentives.
Yup, Cags, I sure do! I think you're special in the grand scheme of things, but even more so because you are a kind, compassionate person with a great deal of integrity. And I don't say any of that to stroke your ego - I say it because in my experience of knowing you, that is how you've always behaved.
You're more than welcome to think what you like. I just find it funny when people think that humans are special for some odd reason(regardless of what the reason).
I realize you're not stroking my ego and I also recognize that my ego doesn't need stroking.
I appreciate your kind words and am humbled by them. I'm glad to know your perception of my actions are the same as I want my actions to be perceived.
But, you can keep thinking I'm special all you like. I don't.
Well I happen to think you are special, Cags.
But not special enough to be a nun.
Let me clarify...in my case it was the particular community that I entered (which was an active, rather than a cloistered community) that I felt was not the most psychologically sound environment.
As to the psychological evaluation - indeed they DO! I had to write an autobiography, took multiple respected personality evaluations (Myers-Briggs, MMPI), was given the Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale test (basically an IQ) test, and was individually evaluated by an accredited psych PhD. I also lived in community with the sisters for three years prior to taking vows - specifically for the purpose of discernment - was it a right fit for them, and was it a right fit for me?
Rather than request permission to make vows at the end of my novitiate, I asked to be released from the community.
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