Who should the church be concerned about?

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  1. josh3418 profile image75
    josh3418posted 8 years ago

    Should the church be more concerned for the unbelievers outside the church or for the believers inside the church? Or should there be a proper balance?

    1. paradigmsearch profile image60
      paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      http://www.dailystandard.com/picts/2008/01/11/2008-01-11_3_full.jpg
      They are more concerned with those inside the church. Trust me.

      1. josh3418 profile image75
        josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        What I mean by this question is should the focus be on evangelism to unbelievers or strengthening and encouraging believers so they are more equipped to go out and evangelize.  Or should it be a balance?

        1. paradigmsearch profile image60
          paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, but to me evangelizing is just another form of spam. There are a few billion people out there that wish the evangelizers would just leave them alone...

          1. josh3418 profile image75
            josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            And that is simply because some people are forceful, it all depends on how it is done.

          2. Paul Wingert profile image62
            Paul Wingertposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Evangelism = SPAM! Good one! +1

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          Emile Rposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          You do realize that is one in the same. Both of your options appear to focus on evangelizing to the unbeliever.

          1. josh3418 profile image75
            josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It is not one in the same because some churches focus so much on evangelism that they fail to minister to the people in the church.

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              Emile Rposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              But you suggested they spend more time building believers up so they'd be better at evangelizing. So, the primary focus of concern is still bothering others outside of your religion.  Is it not?

              1. paradigmsearch profile image60
                paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                But still got to give +1 to this.

                1. josh3418 profile image75
                  josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes I know and I realized that is not what I mean to pose as my answer, sorry for that Emile.

                  1. josh3418 profile image75
                    josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I said nothing about bothering others, those are your words coming from your opinion on evangelism.

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        It should be more concerned about the atrocities happening around the globe and taking actions for those who are unable to help themselves.

        Other than that, they should seriously know what their role is within society and which people truly need their help, instead of assuming those who don't believe as they do need help.

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        SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Judgment begins at the house of God.

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        SparrowMinistriesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Hello!  I just came across this question so I thought I would answer.  the bible says that church leaders are to build up the people of God and prepare them for works of service.  Believers are commissioned to go and make disciples of all nations. Matthew 28:19 and Ephesians 4: 11- 13 says: 11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

        So the church is a place for believers to be built up, and when they are built up, they go out and spread the good news to other areas and start new churches where believers are built up, etc. that is God's design, but we don't always do it so well.

        1. josh3418 profile image75
          josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Sparrow Ministries,

          Thanks for this answer.  You have used an excellent passage to defend your answer or reasoning.  Thanks for stopping by this forum!

    2. paradigmsearch profile image60
      paradigmsearchposted 8 years ago

      Paradigmsearch departs. Best wishes. smile

    3. pisean282311 profile image64
      pisean282311posted 8 years ago

      money

      1. josh3418 profile image75
        josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        This is not an answer to the question that has been posed.  It comes from your idea of the church.  And if this idea is backed up by proof in your life and what you have observed then shame on whatever church you have seen that from.  But, again this does not answer my question.

        The question that has been posed is what area should the church be concerned about?

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          Emile Rposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Feed the hungry. Clothe the poor. Follow in Christ's footsteps and let the actions of the church be the extent of its evangelizing.

          We would notice.

          1. josh3418 profile image75
            josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            "follow in Christ's footsteps". Did Christ not evangelize?  And I see your point about what churches should be doing.  But that is a stereotypical view of churches.  I know many churches who pour their heart into helping those outside the church and have seen that help firsthand.

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              Emile Rposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I doubt my point is any more stereotypical than yours concerning the need to train believers to evangelize to people who, most likely, don't need or appreciate the effort.

              1. josh3418 profile image75
                josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                That is fine then, this question does not pertain to you.

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                  Emile Rposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I would beg to differ. If you are pushing evangelism it pertains to everyone that would be affected by that effort. It is in my best interest to voice strong reservations against the idea of the church going out of their way to 'train' more people in evangelism.

                  1. josh3418 profile image75
                    josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Well thank you for your honest opinion. I respect that.

    4. BAndBeast profile image76
      BAndBeastposted 8 years ago

      There should be a proper balance of all. People leave the church when there is upheaval or no leadership at all God places some in the path of the believer to test their faith both in and out of church. Those that run for the door when they get their shins kicked or feathers ruffled aren't that strong in their faith.  While there should be concerned about those around the globe that cannot defend themselves, we should be able to help those right in our own back yard. In other words, we need to start on the mess in the U.S. before helping overseas. We can't save the world.

      The Secret Service sex scandal, those in the government that eat $16 muffins and spend $100 on lunch and dinners Those that defraud the entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid should be forced to pay the money back, not get fined 10 percent of the total. I bet we'd have a balanced gov't checkbook.

    5. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 8 years ago

      Preaching to the converted does nothing. It is comparable to beating your own drum where none can hear you but yourself.

      1. josh3418 profile image75
        josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
           
        (Ephesians 4:11-16 ESV)

        The church needs to be building one another up in edification and love. But, the church should also be ministering to non believers as well.  That is the point of my question and my answer to my question.

            And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
           
        (Matthew 28:18-20 ESV)

        There should be a balance.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image60
          paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Well, I went away. But this thread title keeps popping up. You aren't evangelizing here, are you?

          1. josh3418 profile image75
            josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No definitely not ha. I just asked the question initially because I was curious whether or not there should be a balance.

            1. paradigmsearch profile image60
              paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              I am warming up to you (I know, big deal. big_smile).

              1. josh3418 profile image75
                josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Haha, too funny, no I am not like most people out there who believe like me .  I have many friends who do not share my same beliefs or opinions, and we get along just fine.  I am not forceful at all in any way, you can believe what you want to believe and that is ok by me.

                1. paradigmsearch profile image60
                  paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  OK.

                  Do you consider the possibility that a micro-managing God may not actually exist? Sure, some kind of higher power; but an entity that really cares about each of us?

                  1. josh3418 profile image75
                    josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    I actually agree with you. God is not a micro-managing God, He is a caring loving God who allows us to make our decisions.

                    1. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      And why do you need it exactly? Hmmm....? hmm

    6. wordoftheworld profile image60
      wordoftheworldposted 8 years ago

      believer inside the church

    7. prettydarkhorse profile image64
      prettydarkhorseposted 8 years ago

      They should be concern with lambasting others for what and who they are based on their idea of what is morally right (based on their teachings)

      Teach the children to sing a song that makes fun of other group of people

      More of action not reaction

      More...LOL

    8. kirstenblog profile image70
      kirstenblogposted 8 years ago

      Considering I consider the very institution of 'church' to be evil, the church should keep its concerns with itself. Battling the corruption that goes with power is a never ending battle and since every church has a power structure they really don't have any time beyond keeping their own noses clean.

    9. KevinTimothy profile image79
      KevinTimothyposted 8 years ago

      Assuming that you're talking about a church of Christianity, I believe that it should be more concerned with the believers INSIDE of the church.  I say this primarily because it's the believers that atheists will look to for a reason to believe.  When a self proclaimed Christian is not following the walk of Jesus then it will raise questions about (believing) the word of God.

      1. josh3418 profile image75
        josh3418posted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you for your feedback, I have thought about this a lot lately and believe there should be a balance.

     
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