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Although I agree with you, there are some dogs, not breeds, just dogs, where positive reinforcement plain doesn't work. Intelligence and extreme stubbornness can make 100% positive reinforcement training impossible at times..
Thank you agilitymach. Training is one of our options, again though, price prohibitive. I may have to look into this since we have not made up our minds about a shock collar or not. Even with all of the good answers here I remain undecided.
Sapper, I'm not a 100 percent positive trainer. When I add punishment, it is mild (soft verbal corrections, redirection). However, i would never resort to a shock collar. Also, I have trained over 1,000 dogs. Punishment based methods aren't needed.
Oh, I'm not saying beat them. I just meant sometimes, minor negative works better on some dogs. If I had enough room for an example, I would give one, but of the 10 dogs my wife and I have had, we only had to use any neg on 1. He's an asshole.
Yes, they don't give us enough room in answers to comment. It's hard to give examples with such limited characters available! :)
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Kimberly Vaughn says
Thanks Kimberly. I'm edging towards getting a collar.
Thanks cdmwriter. I'll have to look into this one. If only our dog would just listen when we tell him not to bark! :-)
I've seen the kind that squirt lemon scent too. I am also worried about the dog having barked too long. They are pretty pricey to go out buy one, but I think we will probably need to.
What a sweet picture of your dog! Thanks.
I'm glad to hear that just the beeps deter the dog. I fell like it would not be hurting my dog as much if he reacted the same way. Thanks for commenting.
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Wow - just showing it to him works. That is encouraging. Thanks for commenting.
They are definitely not cheap which is why we are taking our time deciding. I'm getting some good help here.
Yes...that's what I'm looking for...info from those who have used the collar...I do know that even VETS say they are NOT cruel and are better than constantly screaming or punishing. hmmm..wonder why they don't they have collars for rotten kids?
They do not have them for kids because they are cruel and unusual, just like incarcerating a dog in a little box that supposedly mimics a den.
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Thanks Teamnins. I never thought about zapping another dog. We don't have one so it would not be a problem. I'm always amazed at how smart dogs can be.
Well that is good to know that it works and a Great Dane is a big dog. Thanks for commenting.
Thanks for commenting. There are a number of people who agree with you.
Part of our problem is that we want a quick fix and I think you are right...try some positive reinforcement. Thanks.
Oh Sapper.....you just busted my bubble of hope. My dog is the Working King of the "working class dogs".....A purebred Border Collie. I'd be better off buying the ear plugs, huh?
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