whose views on jesus are correct ? ;jews or christians or muslims?

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   pisean282311posted 12 years ago

   Jesus christ is perhaps most famous name since last 2k years. So whose views do you think are correct views on jesus?...
   
   Jews believe that jesus was false prophet ..Many argue that Jesus himself was jew so jews knew him better than  paul and western world...Do you think jews are best people to evaluate jesus?
   
   Christianity is most popular religion and according to christian jesus is saviour. Do you think they are best people to know about jesus?
   
   Muslims believe jesus is prophet of allah and second most important prophet after muhammad (though jesus came before)....
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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      None above, Atheist know more about world Religions than any of them,
      
      Thank God or doG, I'm not Religious or Atheists. Or the Jew would be in Heaven as the chosen ones and the rest of us would be in Hell

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         pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         hell would be exciting place if majority are going there...who wants to get bored in heaven unless it is muslim heaven...they do have good incentives to be in there...

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Since the vagina is my only assume heaven, making out with 72 Virgins would be my bloody hell

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               pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               

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         livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, you don't know that Jews don't believe in hell (that's a Greek pagan concept imported into Christianity and Islam), and unlike Christians and Muslims, Jews believe "heaven" (the world to come) is for everyone, not just Jews.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Considering the fact that he lived two thousand years ago, the only ones who have anything worth wondering about are the ones who wrote back then. And even then, you can only take it on faith.
   
   Except Mohamed. He was six hundred years after the fact and clearly had an agenda. So, he doesn't count as a credible source.

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      pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      hmmm....but muslims belief muhammad was inspired...your point is valid but unfortunately whatever is written about jesus comes after his death ...none wrote when he was alive...

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Maybe, maybe not. The point is that, if Christ was crucified in 33 CE, the writings from the first century are more pertinent. There is no proof that the gospels didn't come from eye witnesses. It just appears very, very likely that this is true.
         
         We don't have to prove Mohamed wasn't born within centuries of the event. That is fact. So, all we have to go on are the gospels, Acts and a few other blurbs of information we can find elsewhere.

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            pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            @emile what about jews sources?...what r ur views on that?

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               Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The jewish sources are credible. I don't know of but one or two that I've read about.
               
               The gospels are obviously biased. Hopefully, we'll eventually find other documents that will shed some light.

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                  pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  so what r ur views on jews view of jesus?

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                     Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Modern Jews or ancient Jews?
                     
                     Modern Jews are no different from the rest of us. They can only go by what they've read and what their culture has taught them. Those with faith don't look on other faiths kindly.
                     
                     Ancient Jews...there was a difference of opinion. I doubt if the modern church were faced with a figure who developed a following through teaching in contradiction to their assumed doctrines that they would receive him with fanfare. Nor, would they write anything complimentary.
                     
                     Honestly, the question is pointless.  Each religion has its merits, but none can prove that they are the cosmically approved religion.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        The most popular religion is the one with the largest guns or weapons. Most people  are getting sick and tired of these bullies, we are in for some major changes soon enough.

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                           Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Hey, if the change means less guns and war without the loss of personal freedoms...I'm on board.

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                        livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Judaism doesn't. Jews don't believe non-Jews are any less righteous by default because of beliefs. In fact, by Jewish standards it's "easier" to be a righteous Gentile than a righteous Jew, because the latter has to fulfill a lot more commandments. Beliefs really don't matter, actions do, and a righteous Gentile is better than a bad Jew.
                        
                        Jews also don't believe ours is the one true religion; it just works for us. People should be careful about assuming all religions are just like Christianity and Islam, which proselytize and therefore have a different set of beliefs and standards than other non-proselytizing religions like Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

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                           Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Do you speak for all Jews? There are certainly a few different schools of thought within the faith. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the Jewish faith. I like everything I've ever read.
                           
                           I was simply answering pisean's question and the fact remains that no one knows the answer. It's all opinion and no one can claim that they are correct.

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                              livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Of course I don't, but I know a lot about my religion (which is not accurately called a faith; again, another transference from Christianity, which does have a dogma). I think I would know if something that was generally considered heretical in our religion was suddenly embraced by some sect.
                              
                              I agree that no one knows all the answers, and most of my fellow coreligionists are going to agree with me on that.

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                                 Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Well, I think my point still stands and you might looking for reasons to nit pick. It's simply an opinion though.

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   jimmythejockposted 12 years ago

   I will find out who is right and who is wrong on the day that I die which I hope is a long way off, in no hurry whatsoever to learn the truth.....jimmy

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      pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @jimmy it would be too late by then...all three have hell provision and there is tough competition on whose hell is worst....

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hell!  Yeah!

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   Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

   All of them are right...and all of them are wrong.

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   Greek Oneposted 12 years ago

   As you know, my views are always the correct ones, Pisean.

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      Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Master of your own universe. Good to hear.

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         Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         not since before puberty

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            Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not so. One who has the only correct views must indeed walk upon Mount Olympus. May I please kiss your toes, oh great and powerful OZ!

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               Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I have to decline as I am a happily married man... and we left Mount Olympus months ago due to the economic turmoil in Greece.
               
               We now like in a small town in Pakistan called Abbottabad.  We like it here because the neighbors tend to keep to themselves

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                  pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  

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   davidkalugeposted 12 years ago

   That is the problem we have and that is why I always say, "even those that belief in God are not sure of his ways so why blame those that don't believe in God." People have various views, the jews knew what they expected for a savior and its a pity they have not changed their view since then. Then if we have to consider what was written about Jesus we may fail because some books were hidden, why? So what we know is what people tell us and want us to belief so you people think for yourself and select one.

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      pisean282311posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @david jews have long list of what mesisah would be doing and jesus doesnot fullfill most of them...so they are entitled to their view....muslims on other hand believe jesus was mere human being who was chosen by god ...much in lines of other prophets...

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Was that, prophets or profits?

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      livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      First, Jews don't believe in a savior since we don't believe there's anything to be saved from. Jews don't believe in original sin, and we don't believe that sinning lands you in hell.
      
      Second, Jesus is not even dealt with at all in Jewish thinking, since he clearly did not fulfill any of the messianic requirements, laid out by the prophets. The fact that we still have war and death means the messiah hasn't come yet. Jesus wasn't the only one that people have claimed was the messiah; there was also the Lubavitcher rebbe Schneerson, Shabbatai Zvi, Shimon Bar Kochba...none of them turned out to be the messiah. So we continue to work...

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Will the real messiah please stand up
         
         or
         
         Out

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         Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If so many of the conditions of the Messiah were not fulfilled by Jesus, then how come so many Jews did believe in him? Are you suggesting that the Church fabricated many of its claims to make him appear to be the messiah?
         
         Whilst I'm inclined to accept the Jewish view on the garden of Eden events, the nature of man and sin, Satan, and eschatology above those of Christianity, there is no doubt that Jesus fulfilled the promise to Abraham that through him all nations would be blessed. If it was not for Jesus there would not be a billion people worshipping tge Hebrew God.

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            livelongerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, plenty of mistranslations and loopholes. Because Jesus didn't fulfill any of the messianic prophesies, supposedly he was going to do it the second time around. (Of course, the prophets said the messiah would be a normal man who would accomplish all the messianic goals in one human lifetime...)
            
            It wouldn't be an issue that Christians see things differently, if they didn't persistently try to say the Jewish perspective is wrong. It would be fine if they said we have our interpretation, you have yours; that's not the case.
            
            All nations are blessed according to Christianity...as long as they become Christian. And I'm not sure that Christians worship the same G-d that Jews do (Jews don't believe many, many of the things about this G-d that Christians are required to believe). At any rate, belief and worship don't really matter IMHO.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Disappearinghead
            
            More than a billion people do worship Jews, they call it Hollywood. Kind of like Holly lands in Disneyland

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