if bible is so important and is word of god,why jesus himself didnt write bible?
He was too busy doing parlor tricks; pretending to walk on water, not curing the blind, that sort of thing.
because word of God concept cant be written...
infact this was his main disagreement with the pharisees
Because he failed to satisfy the first condition to write anything - to live.
He had already created the entire universe (Read the book of John; it will enlighten you). Then He DIED on a cross for you. What more could anyone want? And actually, eyewitnesses of any event is proof of it. Anyone could write a book and say it was true, but eyewitnesses make the proof more evident.
However, the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) were authored by the Holy Spirit (which IS God/Jesus as well). The Ten Commandments were literally written on stone tablets by the hand of God Himself.
Illiterate, some are saying? Good grief. Just goes to show how unlearned their own speech is.
He is not alive then?
He DIED?
He was not Risen?
Which is it?
Dies for 3 days? Big deal.
Of course He is risen, very much ALIVE. Just not in the flesh, except in cases where Believers of course carry Him in our hearts, minds, etc. He IS the Holy Spirit.
I'm surprised, Mark, that you'd want to hear me praise Him! Since of course you knew exactly what I'd say; why else would you ask? Well, thanks for giving me the opportunity to praise Him who died and raised Himself from the dead, who now is returned to the glory He had from the beginning, who IS the Alpha and Omega, the Creator, the Savior! Hallelujah! I just love it when this happens!
Not really. Just find it rather funny that you think dying for 3 days is a big deal. I find it rather pathetic.
SO - he didn't actually DIE?
You were lying?
What with the false self righteousness of the Pharisees, the divorce, adultery and now false witness - I guess you are in big trouble? I just love it when this happens!
Save me a seat by the fire.
lol
@mark why do u find it pathetic?....he is not first person to have claimed to be risen and not even last...one may find it many things but pathetic?
Dying for 3 days out of 4.7 billion years? Not impressed.
but earth is 6000 yrs old only....4 biggest scientist ever in human history told me...
I don't think anyone has to save you a seat by the fire. According to what you say, you've already made a reservation, and seem to be quite proud of that, is that not so? So, no thanks; I'm sorry, but I don't intend to see you there. Which is why I treasure these moments today when you are indeed around to converse with. Seizing the day is key. I pray you take full advantage of that offer someday.
Guess you don't fully understand in that case. Proud like a Pharisee. Bearing false witness. Divorced. Adulteress. Preaching against the Word of God.
Really - save me a seat by the fire. If all you preach is correct - you will be there before me.
Do us both a favor, Mark, and stop calling me a liar. You're starting to slip past the murky waters of conversation into the category of harrassment again. You can do it. Come on. Some people may not be able to change their hearts, but surely even you can change your behavior. Use some of that willpower that surely must be inside you.
Harassment? Sorry - I though I just gave you an opportunity to show your self righteousness again and PRAISE HIM!
Got plenty of will power. I don't tell lies, I am not divorced, I have not committed adultery, and do not display the pride of a Pharisee.
Save me that seat ya hear.
I was sooo hoping you were capable of holding a civil conversation at some point in time when it comes to conversing with Christians. But I see you also use those same accusations for other believers in another thread. You haven't changed at all, Mark. Disappointing to think you might have as you grow older. It is best to try to grow wiser as we age. How are you ever gonna gain any wisdom if you keep spouting the same old mean stuff toward whoever doesn't buy into your hatred for Christianity?
Lost me. Just pointing out false doctrine and hypocrisy as you asked me to. Why would I change? I am perfect thanks.
@brenda it is between u and mark but i wonder ...u r threatening him with hell fire and alleging him of not having civil conversation?....
Um. No. If you'll read his posts, HE was threatening ME with hell fire. Plus calling me a liar.
What are YOU doing, pisean? Trying to accuse me of something I didn't do too?
As far as having a civil conversation, yes of course I can rightly say that Mark refuses to do so. He has a habit of accusing people of lying just because they believe in Christ.
So. Does that answer your question? (Actually, if you'll read the posts, like I said, your question would've already been answered).
Are you and I gonna continue to have civil conversation at times, or are you gonna adopt Mark's accusatory habits? I hope you aren't gonna do that.
@brenda oh yes ...i miss read it...i was refering to this comments of urs...
I don't think anyone has to save you a seat by the fire. According to what you say, you've already made a reservation, and seem to be quite proud of that, is that not so? ...
but when i read it whole i got it differently...
Okay. Yes, Mark had already said for me to save him a seat by the fire, insinuating that I'm going to hell.
So, thank you for re-reading.
Most Christain think most people will be going to hell.
I'll bring the hot dogs and wine
If 10s of billions of people who ever lived on earth are in hell. Why can't I imagine something more loving , like an all loving god or God who loves the warmth of a fire since most of our earth is made of firing lava rock of ages.
Know anyone who came back from hell, to tell the true story.
Imgination is Godlike to me, hell is a most silly concept I can think of,
What do you except from hell? = good sense
@brenda that doesnot answer my question.....my question is v v simple...why didnt jesus himself write bible if bible is impt or was bible never impt for jesus?......holy spirit etc etc are presumptions and belief....thats not the point....point is did jesus write bible and answer is no...then why didnt he write bible is question....
I think I did answer the question; sorry if you don't understand.
Anyone can write an "autobiography". However, a biography penned by direct eyewitnesses provides more proof to the average person. The Bible records how Jesus appeared and talked to many many people after His death and resurrection. That's proof. And the fact that so many people refuse to believe that....is also proof that Jesus's legacy is Spiritual. Some people don't like to be challenged, especially both literally and spiritually. It pushes them to make a choice. The Lord said that many will not believe even if one rose from the dead. And that is true. Jesus rose from the dead, yet many still continue to try to debunk that, instead of seeing the Truth that runs through the whole of Scripture.
Human sacrifice? No thanks, that was only fashionable in the Bronze age. We've moved well beyond that kind of barbaric behavior.
Yep. I died for three days and resurrected myself, and there were eyewitnesses there to prove it...making the proof more evident. I'm glad that, at least, YOU believe me. Everyone else, doesn't believe me, just because all the eyewitnesses are now dead. But I wrote it down in my book, that there were eyewitnesses there. What more could anyone want?
How can he write about himself. Someone else have to do that job. Not God but human beings.
In my opinion .... there was no need for anything to be written ... Jesus had a message for those people belonging to "THAT" generation of people that he was walking among.
"The Time is at Hand" "This generation shall not pass that ALL These Things be fulfilled"
The story of Jesus was the final chapter of a book that began 3000 years prior. In one of his parables Jesus spoke of himself as the light and that when he is killed darkness will assend.
And immediately upon his arrival in heaven after the crucifixion and assention ( ariving in the apearence of a bloody lamb as if it had just been slain) he takes the book and begins opening the seven seals.
And when the seventh seal is opened there is silence in heaven for the space of half an hour.
One era is finished and another begins.
This is one reason why Jesus didn't need to write a book.
Well - I suppose what you really mean is the tiny part of that generation that lived within walking distance of Galilee. Yes? This message was not for Chinese people, or Europeans or Native Americans. Just a few thousand Middle Easterners.
Is half an hour in Heaven the same as half an hour on earth?
I admire your Missionary Spirit Mark.
Long live.
Well - I suppose what you really mean is the tiny part of that generation that lived within walking distance of Galilee. Yes? This message was not for Chinese people, or Europeans or Native Americans. Just a few thousand Middle Easterners.
Is half an hour in Heaven the same as half an hour on eart============
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I'm impressed .... You might finish that train of thought and be onto something?
Jesus Christ WAS a Hebrew, He himself did say that he has come but to the lost sheep of Israel.
I would think that if God sent a prophet to China (and he probably did) that prophet would be Chineese.
My brother and I look different and had different issues while growing up, Therefore my father had a somewhat different message for each of us. It might be kinda like that!
I would think that "IF" God wanted to communicate to a horse he would appear as a horse. If he wanted to talk to a frog, he would appear as one. I would also suppose that he would have a different message for each of them.
As far as the half hour in heaven being the same in heaven as on earth? NO!
62 weeks in heaven is the same as 568 years here in this plane.
So, a half hour would be approx. 70 of our days
Heaven isn't some place way over there but right here on a different time zone.
I already finished that train of thought. This is why I am an atheist.
Don't worry - you may have time to work it out for yourself some day. If you can bring yourself to admit the truth. Hard to do.
IF a "BIG BANG" created everything of which we are aware; Why would we think that this all that there is.
Would that not be limiting something as powerful as the "Big Bang" to be less than it might be?
You believe that "The Big Bang" WAS all that there was and there was nothing before it and it is no more.
Some people might say that the big band was the voice of God. Everyone else says that there was no cause such a powerful thing.
@jerami people say many things...one of theories is that black hole swallowed entire universe and then happened big bang...so previous universe remains caused current universe...there is no proof to this theory...
in same way voice of god , god etc r mere theories and there is not good evidential support for that..
Good for them. Hopefully, some day they may get introduced to cosmology. Ignorance of such concepts certainly do make people say silly things.
LAWL Please stop spouting garbage at me. I believe no such thing.
Thanks.
So - you did not bother following the train of thought I suggested?
Guess goddunit innit then n u is right innit?
So Mark, you do believe there was something before the big bang? yes? NO?
could you please elaborate?
Believe? I don't believe anything. Sorry dude. Don't understand the question even - what does this have to do with you believing stuff that makes absolutely no sense about 7 seals and thinking you know that there is a place called Heaven where time runs slower than on earth and God only wanting to give his message to 0.04% of the human population so we have 2,000 years of wars about it?
Or the rather strange fact that there is no evidence of this Jesus person outside of the bible and - he didn't bother writing anything down.
Far as I am concerned, matter cannot be created or destroyed and the Universe is eternal because that is the most simple explanation. You have some proof otherwise please show it to me.
Yes, but the problem is when he allegedly communicates with one particular species: man, that he manages to manifest himself in thousands of different forms, delivering thousands of different messages to people on a geographical scale causing them to divide themselves into warring tribes.
We can only hope God communicates with much more consistency amongst the horses and frogs.
@atm may be god is manipulator who wants war between different group of homo sapiens ...it is his favorite past time...
I don't think that is the answer.
In 96 AD John warned the people at that time that a False theology will become popular in his/their future that will lead even the most elect astray (If possible).
In order to lead many of the most defoted astray this theology would have to follow most of their accepted beliefs.
I ask, how much falsehood is required in order for it to be considered as a false theology?
I think that this prophesy was fulfilled when Emperor Constantine gathered the religious leaders of that time, and cohersed them to compromise their beliefs just enough to form a Universal Church.
To compromise their theology just a little bit in order to create something that everyone could agree upon. Well; ... not everyone, just everyone that was in the room.
There were many, many people that didn't compromise their faith but they were soon killed.
A thousand years pass before anyone got the nerve to protest enough to make a difference.
Different denominations began springing up.
They rejected certain things in the Universal Church's doctrine.
But they didn't get to the root core of the deception. If they had, they too would have most likely been killed, AND by this time the general public would not have accepted this either.
How ironic.... The root core of the deception ??? Jesus didn't lie " ....when he said; ...
"This Generation shall not pass till ALL be fulfilled" He said exactly what he meant to say!
Well, If we can interpret things that the Master has said to mean something completely different? I guess we can then interpret anything.
This causes all of the conflict.
who claimed other ideologies as false , themselves believed in false ideology....thats the core point....only ideology which is compatible with nature of human being is ideology that there is no single way.....rest is false ideology....abrahamic religions r bound to go to war because their ideology is intolerant and anti nature of human beings....
I don't know. He came to illustrate it to us, not to write down everything in a book like we do in school.
@emilyfed i got ur i dont know..thanks..
Jesus wrote the Bible through the hands of his secretaries (read his apostles).
where secretaries allowed to interpretate or they simply wrote like typewriter?...
The apostles and disciples were mentally and spiritually stimulated by Jesus Christ, and by extension, the Almighty God, to write the bible. Just like today’s preachers, interpretation of the scripture was/is by divine inspiration from Jesus Christ/God.
@nguerco
why jesus worked so hard in stimulating 20 odd people and leave it to human committee to select 4 out of them?..
if jesus would himself had written bible , wouldnt it be better?
Funny, those who say they're mentally and spiritually stimulated by gods are either on street corners waving a bible, in an institution or on TV fleecing millions from the gullible.
I'm sure Jesus was illiterate. My Grandparents were illiterate, and I had to write everything for them, but no one ever knew they were illiterate.
Nothing says one has to be literate to be the Creator of the universe.
Any proof Jesus wrote anything, anywhere?
A whole hell of trust based on hear say, with too many tranlations wriitten wrong
That's why I don't understand why Jesus never learned to write. I would think that he would have foreseen the confusion that his word, by proxy, would cause between men, but who am I to judge the Creator of the universe?
Nothing says one has to be literate to be the Creator of the universe.
good logic...
Hi,
It's not the matter, Jesus was only the messenger of God Almighty and his followers at that time wrote the book. But with the passage of time it was amended with different authors that was different from the Bible messages brought by the Jesus. I hope you will consider with the broad mindedness.
@ITcoach but my question is why do u think he wrote bible?...
Because he had enough time to kill. Like a fish.
Since we are working under the assumption that Jesus did exist, then the writings clearly state that he read from the scrolls at the temple. Which meant he could read. I would assume he could also write.
He wrote his message on the hearts of his followers. What did he need a pen for?
@emile u mean since he wrote message on hearts no need to write book called bible and leave that job to coming generations to do that for him?
No. I think everything past the gospels was evidence that religion didn't get the point he was trying to make.
so according to u what was point he was making?
Religion is bogus. It is man's attempt to create structure to spiritually enslave the individual. Everything you need to live right, you have within you. Stop using other people's rationalization as an excuse for not doing the right thing. And that is all religion consists of. It gives you rituals and excuses to not think of the needs of others around you.
That is exactly what Jesus was all about. He tore down temples remember. His message was to do right by other people. Man wrote the bible and created organized religion.
Even the gospel may not be his opinion.
Whenever people try to write from their memory, it is their opinion that is written, not the original person's. Then how many times that book was edited, how many side notes that got incorporated? So it may not be even the opinion of the first author!
He didn't have to. He is the word and is still alive today.
@backwater that doesnot answer my question....whether he is alive or he is word is ur belief...we r not talking on beliefs ,those are subjective...we r talking about facts...fact is jesus didnt write bible ...i m asking why didnt he write bible?
The fact that you can nullify any and all answers with this statement, say a lot about the objective of the question.
@kess dont doge the question...stick to topic...why do u think jesus didnt write bible ?...simple answer...without deviating...
Your accusations are just merely a presentation of your own guilt/confusion... which is impossible for you to dodge.
@kess so you dont have answer...then admit it...why make so much fuss and go round round...if u have answer to my simple question...answer it or leave it...simple...
@kess i agree u look confuse and so keep giving confused answers....
So are you confused about my answers, or are my answers folishness?
Yet If they are foolish there should be no confusion... but then again you would be confused by this..
so...
@kess i am talking about ur confusion not mine...i talk simple and ask simple question....may be simplicity confuses you
You have said my answers are confusing to you/others....
If my answers come from my confusion it should then be foolishness and should not confusing to anyone....
So call my answers foolish and deal with the consequences ...
or else continue to flip flop......
@kess who said answers coming from confusion are foolish?...at times ur answers are perfect...at times u confuse urself with christ and err...so it is trial and error...so i take ur answer at merit.... like u i am not confused...i m clear that u and christ are plain human being who r bound to err...
You need to understand something before you discredit it....
You discredit what you do not understand.....that your folly which give rise to your confusion.
What, who is Christ...? You react to Christ as Atheist react to god....
Yet you cannot conclusively answer this question.
When you know you have all right to judge...but otherwise stay quiet listen observe, thus giving yourself the best opportunity to know.
Doubt nothing unless you know... then you wont need to Doubt anything.
Christ Lives...what do you understand by that?
There are many ways to interpret this...even the naysayers points are valid when view from the proper perspective.
For every man is right even unto his own death which ultimately is the realisation of the lies believes.
So to escape death is also to escape all fallacies.
When you understand this you will also understand me and never be confused....
...but yet still will not ask me or anyone else anything.
The inculcating connivance of the thestrals and the moralistic platitudes by the plenum confuses the ignoramus to give foolish repartee to echt inquiry.
@kess there u go....now u talk like kess...good....
It's very difficult, you know, Our minds always try to make meaningful sentences.
The fallacy of man... Trying to be like.....
I am Kess ..
I am Christ...
100% genuine
Not trying to be like...that religion..
The hagiology...
I'm catapult
I'm Thor
100% genuine
That is the fallacy....
Keep it up. You are on your way to becoming completely alike. You bring good news.
He is the king . . . the Prince of Peace. He has people for that.
@sage king or prince or like king ,prince,queen at same time...anywyas...when he asked people to write for him he should have chosen one not 20 ...why did he trust bunch of humans to decide on four and how does that those four couldnt agree on many aspects like hours christ stood hanged etc?....
Because he didn't have a computer and that's an awful lot of words to write out longhand.
I think maybe the faith base of Christianity is as important if not more so than all other facets of Christianity. When we love someone we love them on faith...
So, apparently, that makes it OK to love someone that doesn't even exist.
I have loved still born children that never existed on earrth....And as you know many will point to historical events that declare his existence even if they do not to believe him to be the son of God, as I do:)
Sorry, that's not a logical comparison. Since there is physical evidence of the still born's existence, it does not fall into the same category as imaginary deities.
There is no reliable evidence to even suggest that the historical Jesus even existed. This all appears to be a desperate plea to "rationally" believe in the irrational.
What historical events? You must be privy to information no one else has ever heard. Please enlighten us all to those events?
@tammy there is strong argument of jesus not existing...there is not much of evidence...there are more proofs of buddha than jesus...only religious head one can be 100% sure is muhammad...he pissed jews and other faiths people so much that even they took note of him...
What are you trying to accomplish? Your question seems honest enough, but you obviously have an insidious agenda. Are you trying to goad Christians into a low brow argument?
Didn't your daddy tell you not to start a fight with a stranger. If you want to banter words, I'll knock you all the way down the street and wipe up the mess with your manuscript.
Find something meaningful to do with your time, junior.
You can have a high brow conversation with a Christian?
How many personas do you have Chip?
You can have a nice conversation with anyone if you have a mind to, my good brother. You can't hide it when you've got style!
Very oddly, the language that Mark Knowles uses, is identical to what this Evolution Guy used to use. They have the same love (hatred?) for religion, same bashing on people, same faith on certain dogmas, same repeatation of certain phrases (like: religionists, 'this is why your religion causes so much ill-will and hatred' etc.).
Too bad
http://evolution-guy.hubpages.com/
then u must thank mark...atleast he doesnot threaten u from imaginary hell fire or doesnot blame u for sin u never did or try to make u guilty of unknown sins....
Are you explaining for someone? What have you to explain, except saving a profile who has multiple sock accounts to attack people who have religious faith? That fellow gets psychotic pleasure by taunting and harassing unsuspected users of this website. Is that a joke you think?
not needed...go to any die hard bible fan and tell them dont believe in jesus...what follows would explain things for u practically ....ya do take some headache pill...i m sure hell fire wont burn u but lousy stories might make ur head ache...all the best...i guess jesus got himself hung because of his 12 story tellers only...
"...go to any die hard bible fan and tell them dont believe in jesus...what follows would explain things for u practically"
-You seem to derive pleasure in that practice, pisean282311.
u first try it and let me know...but dont forget headache pill...i can bet u would be thanful to mark after that ....just try for urself...
Don't you have any other game to play, kid, except one that hurts people? So poor you are.
@ytbot1x i would love to play game of what is possible for human beings with those kids but they want me to be saved from some unknown phenomena....what to do...they threaten me and they get hurt?....doesnot make sense but religion is such thing...the more fancy it seems , more followers it gets...never mind as long as jesus name would remain,such games of let me save u would remain...what to do?
Maybe you should not worry about that so much. I don't see any one chasing you down the street. What are you running from?
Being an American, I could give a rat tail what somebody else believes. If Christians annoy you, just stay away from them. If they persist, and follow you home, sick the dog on them. Don't go out and solicit an engagement with the aggravating bastards. That doesn't make sense.
My point . . . you are letting something bother you that shouldn't bother you at all. Live and let live, believe what you will, and more power to you. Let's go fishing, now. Get my drift?
Excuse me, but that is not psychotic, it is neurotic. The sufferer of a neurosis has experienced some sort of trauma that is yet unresolved. In the discomfort of the disorder, they lash out at the "object of displacement" who they perceive as causing agonizing condition. The condition was brought on by something forgotten from long ago. Now, they direct their retaliation at a substitute, perhaps a spouse or co-worker, in this case Christians, or other people of faith who he desires to have intercourse (dictionary) with.
Maybe a nun kicked the poor soul's puppy when he was a tyke.
We need to let him know we are here with open arms and lift them up in prayer.
I love Indian food. What sophisticated flavors and concepts! We have a lot to learn from the Indians. They are taking their rightful place as leaders in the world without using the might of their military . . . heart, soul and mind (work ethic, too).
Jesus is the Word the Written Word of God. St. John 1st Chapter. "In the beginning was the WORD (Jesus), and the WORD (Jesus)was with God and the WORD (Jesus) was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made." Jesus is the 2nd Person in the Deity. He is God the Son. The Bible is actually written about HIM and His purpose in regard to restoring mankind back to God. Hope this helps!
Be Blessed...
bible is written about him...so jesus never heard about autobiography?...may be nobody worte autobiography those days....
This is only mindless regurgitation. Did you actually read the question?
Why didn't Jesus write his own autobiography...or anything about his life, period?
"curious question : why jesus himself didnt write bible?"
It's indeed a curious question...
Do you have some more of the same calibre ?
Brings to mind the 6 "P"s.
Proper
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance
Not so omnipotent then?
@the isnt bible the most important thing which jesus could have done...instead of wasting time , he should have invested every minute in writing bible...what is more important than word of god well documented?
Had you been there, you could've have prompted Jesus about it.
Mark wrote
you know that there is a place called Heaven where time runs slower than on earth and God only wanting to give his message to 0.04% of the human population so we have 2,000 years of wars about it?
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me
I believe there is another plane of existence other than where we are and there is some interaction between them.
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Mark wrote
Far as I am concerned, matter cannot be created or destroyed and the Universe is eternal because that is the most simple explanation. You have some proof otherwise please show it to me.
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You might be right .. and there was no big bang ??
edit bed time .. see ya tomorrow
Night.
But there has never been shown to be another plane of existence, nor is there any interaction that we know of - other than internally - i.e. subjective personal experience. Which suggests to me this "plane of existence" is wholly internal and will vanish when we do.
I don't know if there was a Big Bang - seems unlikely to me.
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