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   Sooner28posted 10 years ago

   http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor … ing-islam/
   
   It's not politically correct to say so, but if this poll by PEW is accurate, it would appear that the problems of the middle east are not limited solely to corrupt governments.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's kinda what I've been saying for a long time-----the term "Muslim" is indicative of not just a "faith" or religion, but of a National origin or attachment also.  No so-called separation of Church and State there.    A Country is an Islamic/Muslim Country or it's not, basically, because the two are the same (Muslim and Islam).      And here's the kicker when anyone tries to compare Christianity to Islam-----Christianity has the Savior, who spiritualized the Law,  giving everyone the freedom to worship or not worship however they wanted;  no more literally killing someone if they don't follow the Christian God, even if spiritually they're subject to God's punishment after they die;  no prosecution for treason if they decide to become atheists, etc.      This is why I don't understand how Americans can "join" the Islam faith (become a Muslim) just by deciding to,  because joining Islam is the same as pledging allegiance to a foreign Muslim Country, the way evidence shows it and the way I see it.

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         Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Well I'm not making a claim about all Muslims, especially in the United States.  Christianity also has a sordid history of violence, and the way abortion providers are threatened with murder is indefensible.
         
         However, in terms of living in a tolerant society, countries that are predominantly Muslim are not tolerant of people who oppose the faith; they are very aggressive in imprisoning/killing anyone who doesn't fit Islam. 
         
         I'm against all religion, but if I had to choose between living in the United States, which is full of Christians, and Pakistan, which is full of Muslims, it's not a hard choice.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            The way people legalized abortion is what's indefensible.
            But no use getting into that discussion.
            Anyway, this thread is very information and timely, so thanks for the topic.

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      Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      This is the same issue we always encounter in low education areas with high poverty, ignorance and religion meet for the perfect storm, one needs only look at Christianity in say Africa to see the issue is not just a Muslim one (hunting homosexuals and executing them, killing women who have pre-marital sex etc).

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         Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Does Africa do that?
         If so, it reinforces my belief that Obama should resign and take his political activism THERE and reform a Nation that actually needs changed, instead of experimenting with America.
         There, or to any Muslim Nation.   If he truly cares about the human condition and civil rights,  he should actually go where his help is needed, where people are actually killed for being gay or for having an opposing religion.

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            Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Wait what...
            
            god between you and Marquis it's enough to give the sane a heart attack.
            
            #1 Africa is not a country
            
            #2 Obama probably does not speak a fraction of the languages spoken in Africa
            
            #3 He is an American why in the world would he go be a politician in Africa? (because he is black right?)
            
            #4 Well apparently most people think America needs to be changed a bit.
            
            #5 We live in a country where we still legally discriminate against gay people (something you support) so I think that brand of help is definitely needed here.

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               Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Gays are not discriminated. Gays are men. If they act like men, there would not be a problem. They create their own problems like everyone else.

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   maxoxam41posted 10 years ago

   which government is not corrupt? Ours is, then why is it a problem in the middle east?

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      Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We don't execute people for defaming Jesus, or leaving Christianity.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yep, what you said.

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         tirelesstravelerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yesterday the White House announced they would begin court marshaling Christian soldiers that share their Christian beliefs.

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            Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            First of all, not equivalent in the least.
            
            Second, I don't completely agree with the penalty, but If one person has control over another's career, the person in control should not be allowed to  use their religion as a test for advancement.

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               Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               We're you addressing me the whole time?

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            JaxsonRaineposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            WHITE house? Racism.
            
            CHRISTIAN? Religionism
            
            YESTERDAY? Timeism
            
            ANNOUNCED? Deafism
            
            SOLDIERS? Pacifismism
            
            SHARE? Selfishnessism
            
            BELIEFS? Atheismism
            
            Geeze, why does everything have to be about race/religion/time/deaf/pacifism/selfishness/atheism?
            
            

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               Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Everything is about everything:P

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            Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            ?
            Joking
            or truth?
            Give link please.

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      Education Answerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      IF all governments are corrupt, wouldn't we all be better off with limited, smaller government?

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         Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Not if corporations are more corrupt .
         
         And saying a government is corrupt does not mean all parts of it are corrupt.  That's the same fallacy as saying a whole car is heavy, therefore all its parts are.
         
         There are good people in government.  Some environmental and financial regulators, and there good cops and judges.  But the overall direction of destroying civil liberties and imperialism abroad are corrupt.

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            Education Answerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Still, who is to say that businesses are more corrupt?  Some businesses are not corrupt. There are good people in many businesses too.

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   Marquisposted 10 years ago

   Well, the women should know better. The ignorance is on your part for not understanding religious dogma.

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      Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No I fully understand I simply reject it morally as does our legal system and all first world legal systems and any sane person.

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         Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         You reject it morally? What is that a joke?

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      Mighty Momposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The WOMEN should know better?
      It takes two to tango.
      Gotta love cultures that are hypocritical, misogynistic and violent.

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         Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         The women should know better than to go against religious dogma. It is there for a reason.

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            Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Just trolling away.

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               Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               You are the troll who keeps on putting the fuel on the fire. I am straight to the point.
               
               If the law says not to do something or to do something, well then follow the law. Do not make excuses for the law-breaker. Josak, YOU make too many excuses.

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                  Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Even if the law is blatantly immoral? Perfectly explains what happened in Nazi Germany.

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                     Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Here is a better example: The law states that stealing will result in jail or prison time. If a guy has no money, no job but has a family, do you think the police officer and judge wants to hear the sob story?
                     
                     The man stole food. Stealing is wrong. The man broke the law.

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                        Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        The small mind that sees no complexity in the world.  Try engaging with reality sometime.  You are completely dodging the issue.
                        
                        What if Hitler comes to your door and Anne Frank happens to be visiting?  Are you going to give her up or lie and say she isn't there?

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                           Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Try taking your own medicine some time.

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                  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Unless you don't agree with that law?
                  Or are you standing up for Islamic law now?

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                     Marquisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     You did not understand the example.

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      Sooner28posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      What does that even mean?

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