Millenial reign of Christ

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   someonewhoknowsposted 14 years ago

   From the information I have read Jesus is not going to return for at least 500 years.In my opinion we are at page 443 Those who take the mark of the beast has yet to happen,or already has according to some.   "In visons of the end" of the king james version of the new English bible.(1961)New Testament

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Just having fun   I was teasing  was that funny ?

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Probably a dangerous way to go about it, but funny.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   The war is over. Politically correct dictionary should solve all of this if any one wants to solve it.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   Earnest do ya wanna join us we are going to fix the world.

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   Judah's Daughterposted 14 years ago

   All I can say is Jesus said He didn't come to bring peace, but a sword.  He offended many, though was not guilty Himself.  His apostles were not sinless, but even though, they knew they had to get the gospel message out there for those who would receive it.  They offended so many, all but one died a martyr's death, except John; but if he was the John that wrote Revelation, being exiled to the Island of Patmos certainly wasn't an easy ending for his life either.  We have to spread the gospel, and the Word says the world will hate us because they hated Him (Jesus Christ) and do not therefore, know God.  We are not to be "friends" with the world, but to do what we are called to do, as lovingly as possible.  Jesus overthrew the money changers' tables in the temple, but yet never sinned!  He rebuked the Jews, and even that was not sin!  There's what the world calls "love" and then there's God's love, the truth that darkness hates.  If we love anything more than we love God and our calling by Him, we are not worthy to be His disciples.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   So your god makes man, an apparent flop, then he invents the devil to cover up for it and then blaims man, his own creation. Science is currently rebuilding that which was such a mess at a cellular level, and when the current knowledge of the genome is expanded, your god is gonna go poof and disappear in to the weird and ancient myths category, along with all the hate and intolerance needed to support such an idiotic belief!

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      Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Will you be alive to see this happen?  Job 11:12 "An idiot will become intelligent when the foal of a wild donkey is born a man."  Can you intelligently tell me the meaning of this?  Know that you will stand before this God one day and explain all this to Him, for I'm sure you think He has no clue and must learn from you.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I can translate this for you.
         
         "There will always be people who think they have the answer and are spreading god's love. But - they are lying to themselves and spreading hatred. The only thing to do with these people is feed them to the lions."

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            Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            And so they thought with the Prophet Daniel...

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               And no matter how many times you tell them they will always argue and fight until they eventually destroy you or them. They will never be able to see how wrong and hateful they are.

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                  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Who would be there to save YOU from the lions?  Do you not feel hatred as you write addressing me and other Christians?

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     And they will never ever be able to see that everything they say actually applies to themselves. every time they quote scripture at you - they should be turning it around at themselves.
                     
                     No matter the anger and hatred they attract - they will always think they are in the right. Because they have the word of an invisible god - that is more important to them than anything else.

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                        Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Jesus will win the battle of Har-Magedon simply by the Word of His mouth (Scripture), so no wonder you don't like it.  Everything I say does apply to me; otherwise, I wouldn't know it to even share it with you.  God IS in the right.  I'm glad you see that God and His Word is more important to Christians than anything else.  Praise the Lord!

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           It is as plain as the nose on my face. Christians do not care one whit for anyone or anything else, and it does not matter how much conflict and hatred is spread as long as they are shouting their word.
                           
                           And some of them do not and will never be able to understand why this causes so much hatred and ill will. Because they think they have an invisible super being telling them what to do and did not understand the message. 
                           
                           RAmen !!

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                              Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              So, if I ignored God's Word and tolerated your disbelief and encouraged you along to keep on spreading your views, that would be the loving thing to do?  Am I then caring for you at all, really?  Spiritually so?  How about the readers?  Would I not be compromising my own faith and the commission according to my faith that is to spread the Word?
                              
                              Mark, if you were my neighbor, who knows that we wouldn't get along great.  I would hope that we would help one another, in spite of our faith differences.  This forum is about faith in Christ ~ it's called "Millennial Reign of Christ".  I am here for that purpose.  Now, instead of staying on topic, you and others come in here to stir up opposition.  I did not come and do this to you on your hubs, did I?  Is this forum called, "Those who don't believe in God and think Christianity is full of hate"?  That's where your comments belong, Mark.  This really isn't appropriate to the topic...why don't you start your own forum?

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                                 Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 See my previous responses. Just stop replying to me if you think that is the case. You seem quite happy to tell me once again that you are speaking for an invisible super being and are just doing what he wants.
                                 
                                 I think this is perfectly appropriate to the topic of "reign of christ." The fact is that you are choosing to ignore everything I say and do not accept any of it. Not sure what I can do about that other than to suggest you look in the mirror and ask yourself why you have so many fights here. And not just with me.
                                 
                                 I do not know how to explain to you that christ is not an external person and the only place he can "reign" is your psyche.

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                                    Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    You might enjoy my hub "Soul, Spirit, Mind and Heart" to know how much we are made in God's image and how intimate a relationship we are created to have with Him.  God has all of these and even sings, too!  If you believe Jesus was a man, died on the cross and rose again, and ascended into the clouds, then you must know He will indeed return in the same way He left.  The Bible says it and I believe it.  In the meantime, He gave us His Spirit to live WITHIN us.
                                    
                                    If you don't believe this; that's okay with me.  I'm not being hateful, truly ~ let's not try to provoke one another to anger, but stay in peace.  Agree to disagree.

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                                       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       I would not enjoy your hub - you clearly do not understand the message in your book and I do not really care to read another hub about how you choose to twist what it says in the bible to suit your own ends. Sorry.
                                       
                                       And I will continue to try and get through to you that shouting that you have the word of an invisible super being and I need to accept what you say is causing conflict, strife and hatred.
                                       
                                       Once you read your book and understand it - you need to look inside - not outside. A lot of people make this mistake.
                                       
                                       See 2000 years of wars.
                                       
                                       The day you actually do what you say you are going to do and stop telling people that you have the word of a god is the day I stop telling you that you are wrong. How does that sound?

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                                          Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          I don't know what "church" or "Christian" gave you this opinion of followers of Christ, which even you claim to be in one's "psyche"?  You don't know ME.  All Christians are sinners, yes, for the flesh battles against the Spirit every day.  The only difference between those without Christ and those in Christ is one is forgiven and the other is still under God's Law of sin and death.  Do you think you have no sin?  Or do you think the Bible says there's such a thing as a sinless person (other than Christ)?  There's a million questions I could ask you, as you claim to know the Bible in the way it's to be known.  You say I twist the scripture to suit ME?  Sounds to me like you merely have a different interpretation.

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                                             Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             I am not a sinner. There is no such thing as sin for me.
                                             
                                             I know you better than you seem to understand.
                                             
                                             There is one sinless person in your book.
                                             
                                             You - if you choose to be that person - which you are not choosing at the moment.

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                                                Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                That's the way my Lord sees me because I am covered by the blood of the Lamb.
                                                
                                                I suppose what you said is understood in the same way that atheists cannot hate God, for to do so would be to admit there is a God.  Likewise, to say you are a sinner would mean you know the Law of God.  To know God is to know His Word.  Just like the only way I know you, Mark, is to read your words.
                                                
                                                I said to you that the Spirit of God lives within His children, right?  The Bible says that Spirit is of Truth.  With this understanding, read 1 John 1:18 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us."
                                                
                                                You even claim to know the "law" of wives submitting to their husbands, right?  So obviously, you're accusing people of going against the Word of God, yet you say there must be no Law, if you have no sin?  Have you never told a lie?

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   and so you assume, insultingly that either Mark has not read or understood the bible, as he disagrees.

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      Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Obviously, Mark has read the Bible, as my comment above shows (he accuses women of not following the law of being submissive to their husbands).  But, to acknowledge God's law there, would mean to acknowledge all of God's Law, correct?  To say he has no sin means he has never broken one of God's laws.  If he doesn't believe the Bible or in God, therefore he has no accountability to any law, then he can say in his own heart that he is sinless.  Simple math.  Note the spirit of Antichrist is that of "lawlessness" (no Law of God), but he will claim to be God.  Interesting, isn't it?  He will have no sin in his own heart and mind, for there is no law in his own heart.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You are being obtuse. The laws in your book do not apply to me because I do not believe in your invisible super being.
         
         But - they apply to you and you choose to break them.
         
         And here I am telling you that you are causing hatred and conflict - and you are arguing aggressively that it does not matter because the word of god is the most important thing in your life.
         
         How silly.

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            Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So, you see I am sinful, right?  You cannot say I have no sin, nor do I say such a thing.  I am thankful to Jesus for His forgiveness.  If I were married, I would certainly follow His law to honor my husband as the head of the home.  We are all imperfect and sinful.  No one can live a sinless life.  If we could, we would have no need for a Savior.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               We have no need for a savior.

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                  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Because you say you have no sin, YOU obviously have no need for a Savior.  According to the Bible, you are deceiving yourself.  I pray you will become "enlightened" to the fact you are indeed a sinner in need of forgiveness.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL
                     
                     Just not getting it are you? This is the problem with letting other people do your thinking for you.
                     
                     I do not sin. I am not a sinner. I do not need forgiveness.
                     
                     Every time you  tell me that you are speaking with the voice of a magical super being - I will laugh at your ridiculous beliefs.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   I will never understand why, If a person believes in and loves God and the word of God, Why does it HAVE to be interpreted? I can understanding the need to interpret what man/woman says. But when God, Jesus, or Gabriel speaks, what sinner is worthy to change the meaning of the message with their own interpretation??  I have been looking for that verse that says that God doesn't understand the human languages well enough and needs help saying what he meant to say. The definition of a believer of God requires that we believe what he said the way that he said it. Once the interpretations begin you cant stop them. The word of God is true when we leave it alone. Read it don't change it, or add to it.   and good night.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   So that one may be forgiven by this entity.
   
   
   So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: "I will punish them!  Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve.  Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes."   (Jeremiah 11:22-23 NLT)
   but that's ok, they were non believers! Wot a crock!

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      Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That is the Law of sin and death.  If you don't have the Savior, you are under God's wrath.  I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's in the Word.  This is WHY God became a Man, Jesus Christ, and PAID this price for us!  He is LOVE and now forgives our sins, PAID IN FULL.  Without Jesus Christ, we have no forgiveness.
      
      Who are the two most hated religions on earth?  Yes, JEWS and CHRISTIANS.  But we have hope in our God, our Father who saves us and gives us eternal life.  Our life here is temporary; so is yours.  There is no salvation, only condemnation outside of Christ.  It is the eternal Law of God.  He made the Way and invites everyone to walk in Him and receive Him as Lord and SAVIOR.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    And without religion we do not have sin, and can move on with helping mankind to run a safer mental state, based on brain science, medicine and psychology that we have tested and shown to be worthwhile.

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       Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Christians can do this, too.  We do!  These are matters of life here, but there is eternal life also, and one needs also to help others to find a safer spiritual state based on the Word, the healing the Spirit gives and the renewing of the mind that we have tested and shown worthwhile. :-)

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          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No - you cannot ignore 1500 years of conflict. Even now - you are causing conflict and hatred - and have told me this does not matter because you are right and the most important thing to you is the word of the invisible super being.
          
          How silly.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Worthwhile? I seriously question that! Religious wars one after the other, with about 16 running as I write this.
          
          And if using even rudimentary psychology that a six year old can comprehend such as transactional analysis will prove any person with the knowledge required to avoid a religious concept of how to treat others.

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             Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             And who are the victims of the religious wars?  Are Christians and Jews attacking others or are they being attacked?  The middle east is where the religious wars are, and 'strangely', war is written in the Qur'an as a holy thing.  I am not saying the Catholic church didn't do its damage, and I am NOT Catholic either.  I don't start wars.  If you think this is a war, you haven't been in one.  War is far worse than debate and disagreements.  This is more of a wrestling match.
             
             Truly, the Word of God says we (believers in Christ) wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Eph 6:12)

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                mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                spiritual wickedness--- there are many spiritual master besides Jesus who spoke the same truth as Jesus, according to you they are evil for not saying Jesus is the only son of god but according to them you don't have any knowledge of the spirit and thats why you make such statements.
                
                "Its fine to be born into a religion but not to die with one" Swami Vivekananda

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                   Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   The spirit of Antichrist only wishes to bring hatred and shame to the Name of Jesus, so evil spirits will indeed disguise themselves as the "Light".  Satan's doing his job well, but those who know Jesus know how to recognize this spirit that hates the real Jesus.  The true followers of Jesus don't hate Jews and Christians, and also are known by their fruits (Gal 5:22).

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    You are right, I have not been in a war, but my father was, and his father before him. WW1 and WW2.
    It is not at all difficult to imagine war, the current imagery is as dark as one can imagine.
    
    The safest space to be in is one of self awareness.
    The best way to create self awareness is to demonstrate it, not pass it on to a self created external entity. .

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       Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       And let's see...Hitler claimed to be a Catholic, did he not?  Time to wipe out God's chosen people from off the face of the earth?  And you blame Christianity?  True Christians embrace God's chosen people.  The Antichrist will claim the "Light", too, even claim to BE the "Light".  The true followers of Jesus don't hate Jews and Christians, and also are known by their fruits (Gal 5:22).

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    When someone strikes first. when you knowk um down in an attempt to makum stop it in the future then you have dun tha same thang that they did. who is right and who is wrong depends as to when the stop watch stated.  That is why Jesus said turn the other cheek.  Somebody gotta stop the insanity

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       Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I just think it's rude for people who don't embrace Christ as the reigning king for the millennial reign to even be here on this forum to cause disruption.  It's probably best to ignore every statement made by those whose intention is to do just that.

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          Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           
          Are YA talking to me little missy ? (John Wayne impression) I believe that Jesus is the messiah, and died for my sins. I know I'll never make all the way but I try to act like him. This is why I study his word and follow him as good as I can. If you would follow Christ instead of studying only what the disciples are preaching , You might hear what Jesus has to say. But you think that what they said is more important than what Jesus said. Now it sounds that you are starting   YOUR,  "SHUN HIM" list of one.  ME.  I have been trying to be nice and would like to continue being nice but
          If your truth is stronger than MY truth (WHAT JESUS SAID) bring it on. Lets have a discussion.
          MY "JESUS" said can whip YOUR (the disciples said) any day.

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             Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I'm sorry you feel I was talking about YOU, Jerami, for I feel you know our Lord.  I was addressing the others in this hub that don't even acknowledge Jesus as Lord.  You and I differ in that I embrace the entire Bible and you embrace the red letters.  If you know the Lord, that's what matters.  If you know you are saved by acknowledging you are a sinner, confessed that to Jesus, accepted His sacrifice for your sin, asked the Holy Spirit to fill you, and walk in His love ~ for Him and for others, you are His.  I am His.  Please do not feel condemnation by me, for I am your sister.  We just differ in our interpretation of the scripture regarding the end times.  Peace be with you, brother.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Don't EVEN accept jesus as lord?
    Why would any sane person have their life interpreted for them by what someone else wrote about a dead guy?

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    If I misunderstood then I too am apologize. The comment concerning the Reigning (currently) KING over the millennial kingdom seemed to have been aimed towards me. Perhaps I too MIGHT be becoming a bit touchy.
    
        I do believe that the prophesies are true as written.
        I am  concerned with too much Interpretation because I believe that interpretation of scripture can not logically be defended. For this reason I do not believe that the words spoken by God, Jesus or Gabriel was intended for interpretation. There will be mistranslations issues enough to confuse the word. I believe to interpret those things that God, Jesus and Gabriel spoke is to do so in disrespect except for those instances of mistranslation. If I am correct in my beliefs concerning the time lines, the dragon, beast and false prophet would want for us to believe as many interpretation as we can invent.
    May peace be with us all

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I think that all people have beliefs therefor there are no non believers. They have different degrees of beliefs in many different things. Everyone's believes should be respected.
      I wonder if the religious section can be subdivided Christian fighting Christian,Islam vs Islam, etc and when we look into that division other than our own we either respectfully observe. We might learn better how to express different views by watching them do it right??  I think that I have learned a lot checking into other subject threads. They didn't even know I was "listening" and I learn when I am able to keep my mouth shut.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Indeed, may piece be with us all.
    I have no problem with any belief system that is supportive of good behavior, and feel the bible provides little of that without corresponding fear passages.
    
    The 10 commandments are a threat also if read in their entirety across the passages that contain them, another point of contention among believers.
    As you know I do not believe in a god, but the bible is full of beautiful verses, yet most have an opening or closing threat attached.
    The whole idea that an entity with the capacity of a creator would be so poorly developed psychologically as to be moronic  discredits literal believers more than they may see.

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    someonewhoknowsposted 14 years ago

    That's why we have a brain and we will be judged according to what we do with that brain.Noticed I'm talking in the second person.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Talk for yourself, as I'll not be judged.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Gee I hope people are not judged like that, or this thread would be pretty empty.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi earnest !

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Hi tantrum! Always nice to read your posts.

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Likewise !! yours more interesting and complete! I'm such a lazy guy !

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                earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I think maybe your just smart, and don't see it's worth that much effort!

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    I do not believe in Religion, I hope all have noticed. I do however believe in some kind of Creator. I think that he/she/it appeared to Abraham and Abraham called the creator God.
    You can call me crazy. My hallucinations are real to me. And I want to keep um.
       If I am not mistaken Ezra rewrote all of scripture before that time. That leaves some room for doubt concerning exact translation. MORAL LAWS ARE WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS at birth. what we do with them from there is of our free will. If I am going to say that I believe in Jesus, I feel that I must believe those things that he said as much as is possible or I should not say that I believe. Jesus spoke of Daniel the prophet therefore I should believe this chapter as well. Jesus said that John was going to tarry till he came again. So I believe the book of Revelation is true and quite understandable if left uninterpreted. . And I believe that Jesus came again when he said that he would. When he came he gave John the Revelation. (94 AD)  All that other stuff that everyone wants to argue about "I can not enter into". "I do not know".    If I offended anyone by sharing ...OH well. Just an opinion and I do not want anyone to believe any of it ..... I do not mind if anyone wants to think about it.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi jerami ! I read your latest hub. didn't leave a message, but i liked it. Cheers !!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I feel confident that not believing in religion is a logical position to take, past that, we are still friends who disagree. 

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    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Thanks Tantrum,Hi Ernist and everybody.

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