Duplication Moderation Doesn't Make Sense...

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   kbdressmanposted 9 years ago

   I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  I wrote a hub about Mormons being Christians from an inside perspective.  A few days after it was published it got moderated for duplication.  However, the only hubs I can find on the subject have the exact OPPOSITE thesis as my hub did.  They are all from former members or people or don't believe Mormons are Christians.  Can anyone find one that is from a mormon?  Or explains how, in fact, Mormons ARE Christians?  Any reccomendations on what I should do to get my hub re-published?

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   SuperBrainwave LMposted 9 years ago

   If you copied and posted a long quote from another source, that might have been what got you pulled up.  It is done automatically by software, so it happens even when the source you pulled it from is not copyrighted.
   
   That would seem to be the most likely explanation.  You copied a sections from, say, a holy book, to use to back up your argument, but the software interpreted it as copying.
   
   I can only speculate without seeing the actual article you wrote.  The software that decides copying doesn't understand the actual content/meaning of a piece, by the way, it's pretty crude.

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      kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That makes perfect sense.  I put two good sized quotes in the hub.  Both are cited and in quotations.  Is there some way to have a human review the hub and get it fixed?  Or do I just have to remove the quotes?

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   relacheposted 9 years ago

   Here is where HubPages explains duplicate content.  Historically, quoting the Bible seems to mess people up the most because they put too many quotes in the content and not enough original content.  (If your quotes are only a tiny % of the content, the filters don't get tripped.)
   
   http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/publ … d_22732309

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      kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the link.  I understand wanting to prevent plagarism, but it seems really dumb that we can't use substantial quotes to back up our points!

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         relacheposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         You can use substantial quotes to back up your points....as long as your original writing composes the other 95% of the text content.
         
         It's a ratio.
         
         Some people who get a duplicate content warning on a quote Hub will trim their quotes.  Some will opt to write more original content.

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            kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks!  I'll probably just link to the longer quote.  How long after I fix it is it re-checked?

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         Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Why is it dumb?   HubPages has to do a cost/benefit analysis for every feature.   An automated robot can't tell the difference between content that's been stolen and content that's being quoted - the only measure it can use is how much has been copied.  So to allow long quotes, HP would have to employ human moderators to check a Hub every time there's a big chunk of copied content.  People have to be paid - so that's not financially viable.   Sure, it's a bit inconvenient for people who want to use large quotes, but they are a minority of Hubbers.

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            kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            It wouldn't be that hard for an automated program to note the use of quotation marks or have the program flag potentially duplicate hubs for a human to double check though.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               If you had a filter that required human involvement, you've still got to pay that human - so that wouldn't work.
               
               If a filter just allowed duplication through based on whether it had quotation marks, plagiarists would soon cotton on to that trick and use quotation marks on everything.

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   psycheskinnerposted 9 years ago

   If the quotes are from public domain sources you can probably get this cleared with manual moderation.  If they are not then the quotes might be getting a tad long to fly under fair use.

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      kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I'm pretty sure they are.  I know one is.  I guess I could just post a link to the second document.  Do you know how soon after a moderated hub has been edited it's re-checked?  It is immediately? or does it take 24 hours like the initial check?

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   SmartAndFunposted 9 years ago

   It appears you've got your problem figured out, but because of the way you worded your original post, I just want to add that duplicate content refers to any content on the web -- not just on HubPages. HP wants all content to be original and not found anywhere else on the world-wide web, so if you have posted the article on your blog, church website or elsewhere, it is considered duplicate content.
   
   One solution for quotes (which I have not used personally but have seen others write about) is making the quote a photo rather than type -- for example, typing the quote into an MS Paint document, saving it as a jpeg, and putting the jpeg in your article as a photo. This way, bots do not read it as type and filters do not pick it up. Depending upon how long the passage is, this may or may not work for you.

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      Sue Adamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      That is a good solution. You can copy and paste the  quote into a Paint text box, with a nice coloured background  and a catchy Title. Now it becomes a Pinterest image which, when pinned, provides a useful back-link to your hub. Must make sure the type is easily readable though.
      I did this with the anonymous quote printed here. It appears full width on  one f my hubs.  Please enlarge (Ctr.+)  to read.
      
      

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         kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for the idea!  I'll have to do that and go back and put the quotes back in when I have a few minutes!  I appreciate it!

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   mary615posted 9 years ago

   For National Poetry Day last year, I wrote  a Hub about that, and I quoted a poem from a favorite author.  I had the same problem with duplication.
   The thing that amazes me is I see Hubs with complete lyrics from songs!  I stay away from any quotes now.

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      kbdressmanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I'll probably avoid longer quotes as well now.  Although, now that I understand how it's calculated I'll know how to check my own hubs before they are published so I can use quotes and still not get hit for duplication!

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