Republicans only -define racism and name one or more racists.

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Austinstarposted 7 years ago
Paul Ryan stated that Trump's accusation of his Judge's bias due to his Mexican heritage was the very definition of racism, but he still supports the Republican nominee. Why can't he just call Trump a racist? And admit that racism is rampant in the Republican party.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Trump says he has not a racist bone in his body and he is the least racist person he has ever known.
  
  Personally I've never heard more people call Trump Racists than other human. My summary is he a great liar aand a racist and should be fired.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Since most Presidents have been prior lawyers. The best liars and most often win the Presidency position. I say fire the whole General federal Government. They only make life on this planet worst and finance for the average person progressingly worst.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately for the GOP, Trump is the face of the Party. There is no conflict between the GOP base and Trump because both are cut from the same swath of cloth.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The conflict is with the corrupt GOP establishment, not the base. A Trump presidency upsets the corny gravy-train Washington cartel. Ryan, IMHO, is a globalist establishment who talks out of both sides of his mouth, his actions say it all. He sure does have pretty big-blue eyes though!
  
  Fiscal responsibility is the direction Trump wants to take the party, and make life more comfortable for every American.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't think that racism is rampant in the Republican Party. It's just rampant in the Trump camp.
  
  I do agree though that Trump should be denounced by all decent Republicans. Decent Republicans should boycott the convention if Trump is the nominee.
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously? You haven't noticed the lack of diversity in the Republican party?
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Diversity in the GOP is trending downward, if you look at participation in the Republican convention, which is admittedly only one barometer. Only 18 of the 2472 delegates are black.
  
  "In 2004, 167 African Americans delegates attended the RNC convention as President George W. Bush was renominated. In 2008, 36 African Americans attended as delegates as Sen. John McCain was nominated to run against then-Sen. Barack Obama, and in 2012 there were 28 African American delegates as Mitt Romney was nominated."
  
  It just keeps getting worse each election cycle. Not good for the future of the GOP.
  
  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/blac … on-n586776
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It can't be much better among young voters, hispanics and women in general.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'd be curious how you came to the conclusion that equates to racism.
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You are right that one cannot automatically assume the lack of diversity is due to racism. However, it does, at the very least, speak to how the party is viewed by minorities. If they feel included, if they feel GOP policies are helpful to them personally, if they feel welcome, then they become part of the GOP. If not, they leave. It seems the party is becoming less diverse, which runs counter to the demographics of the United States as a whole. Something is definitely going on, don't you think?
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Something is definitely going on. It is unfortunate. But I don't believe racism plays a part in the problems I see within the party.
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You don't see the election of Donald Trump as the GOP candidate as a reflection of at least some racism in the Republican base? It is hard for me not to see it that way. I have watched the GOP cater to the lowest common denominator for years, while trying to say they aren't. Now, they get Donald Trump, who says out loud what previous GOP candidates have done more sneakily to appeal to that 25-30%. You know, that whole "southern strategy" thing.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Donald Trump is running on the Republican ticket. That's all. He is not indicative of 'the party'. I don't know that his base is necessarily registered Republicans. I've heard throughout the primary process that if registered Republicans were the only ones allowed to vote in the primaries that he wouldn't have stood a chance. I read one article which said his strongest supporters were lower income self identified Republicans who were registered as Democrats. Figure that one out.
  
  Not that this matters. Except for Kasich I don't think there was a person running whom I felt I could get enthusiastic about.
  
  Racism is not a problem in the Republican party. That is simply something the Democratic party likes to insist on because people listen to simple catch phrases and can vote accordingly.
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I respectfully disagree. Here is one example. The GOP has consistently tried to make it difficult for people to vote, knowing that it would disproportionately affect the economically disadvantaged which, in southern states in particular, disproportionately affects black people. The GOP knows this. They also know that voter fraud, the excuse they give for voter suppression legislation, is so negligible as to be almost nonexistent. They know this, yet they continue on in their attempts to suppress votes.
  
  Also, if a party leader endorses an openly racist candidate, is he not, at the very least tolerating racism? If Paul Ryan isn't racist, then he is just a party tool who is willing to endorse a racist for the sake of the party. Either way, it's pretty slimy.
  
  Sorry, I don't think the GOP can have their cake and eat it, too. If they don't want to be considered racist, then the party needs to stop tolerating, and even endorsing, openly racist people and policies.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'd have to disagree on the statement that voter fraud is negligible. It is, and has been, a consistent problem over the years. Depending on which way the news outlet leans you'll hear a different take on whether it is a problem, or not and the most problematic cases I've heard of over the years have shown that the Democratic party is more prone to participate in it which makes sense since they are the ones always insisting it does not take place. Ever hear of landslide Lyndon? The incident of voter fraud in Chicago in 2003?
  
  Maybe, the GOP is simply choosing the wrong way to correct a problem the Democratic party created? And, the Democratic party cries foul? I find that interesting.
  
  As to endorsing Trump even though he is obviously a racist I'm afraid that is the nature of political parties. I don't think there is one politician who wants to endorse him but he has won the republican primaries and they are attempting to be supportive of the choice of the people. I don't think they should do it. He isn't a Republican nominee since most primaries are open to any and all eligible voters. If I were in a position where my endorsement was of some value I'd say not only no but HELL NO. But, I've never been accused of being a team player and do not understand supporting someone simply because they are part of the team.
  
  I agree that endorsing Trump is a bad move. But, Hillary is such a disgusting option to pretty much anyone who expects honestly and integrity in politics. There are two options at the moment. Hillary or Trump. Looking down on someone for choking Trump down is unfair, in my opinion, unless you are willing to look down on those choking Hillary down as well. Together they represent the worst of the worst of this country.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  While there are skeletons in the closets of both Clinton and Trump and the sleeze seems to be spread around, at least I don't have to contend with variable of patent racism added to mix, that is Donald Trump. That will certainly tip the scale against him relative to Clinton for me.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I understand that. I, on the other hand, cannot stomach the Clinton's. For every problem I see in Donald Trump I see ten in Hillary. I suppose it is because she has been in the public eye for much longer but she has no saving qualities and her disdain for the American people has been duly noted and has ensured she will never get my vote for anything.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  And there may come a time where it will for me also. But, I believe (for the most part) we are a decent people who will not stand for our society going backward. Trump says a lot of sh#t but I don't believe that, even as president, he could enact policy which would cause his worst statements to come to fruition.
  
  My distaste for Hillary is not the only thing which would keep me from voting for her. I simply don't agree with the course of the nation at the moment and can't cast a vote which would imply that I do. We are, as a nation, mad as hell. Neither candidate is qualified to address our concerns but I will say that a vote for trump will start a game change. A crappy start, but a start nonetheless.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I understand your point of view. As long as our democratic system of government with 3 branches remain in tact, Trump cannot do all that he wants to do.
  
  I did not think that 'decent' people could have allowed Trump to get so far. What happened to the GOP establishment? It has to be rank and file conservatives that are putting Trump on top. I don't think the Trump phenomenon is just some obscure faction of the GOP. This guy ran circles around all of competing candidates, and he is the face of the party. Now everybody in the GOP empire is now trying to get on board and clean the guy up making him more palatable to the general electorate. But, that would be a tall order.
  
  But, as a progressive I am more concerned about the future course action as put forth by the GOP and Trump as problematical. We both want to pinch our noses and pull the lever at the voting booth for what eacj of us consider the lesser of two evils. The concepts that freak me out about Trump forces me into the Clinton camp, while the opposite is the case for you.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I consider myself to be progressive on many issues however one problem we are encountering is complete fiscal irresponsibility by our leaders. It is our money, plus the money they create out of thin air, they are stealing for themselves and their cronies. It is our money being mismanaged and it is our money funding an ever burgeoning and increasingly ineffectual government. It is also our money which funds their sometimes lavish lifestyles.
  
  Trump does appear to think he can do some good to correct some of this. Hillary appears to not only believe in the status quo but wants to increase the problem by ignoring it.
  
  I read a link online some other Hubber provided showing a significant decrease projected in our population within the next few decades. Not from war but apparently a mass exodus. I can see where hard working, able bodied and frustrated people would jump ship if spending trends in Washington are not reigned in, if share the wealth only adversely affects the middle class and the global powers that be remain unchecked.
  
  I agree, in principle, with many programs democrats suggest but nothing should be added to our debt load without a corresponding reduction in spending elsewhere. 'what's in it for me' appears to be the mantra from top to bottom in our country. Who, ultimately, foots the lions share of the bill? Not the rich and not the poor.
  
  The democratic party doesn't appear to give a rat's behind about those who ask for nothing from their government except to stay out of their lives as much as possible. The democratic party appears to have no regard for the daily struggles of hard working people. I see the democratic party as more concerned with gathering votes than sound management of our government. Pie in the sky promises which will only dig a deeper hole of debt for those who come behind us because all the while they tickle the ears of the populace they are in bed with the 1%.
  
  So yes Trump is unpalatable on many counts but he is not the status quo in Washington. That, in and of itself, is a good thing.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The points of your first paragraph are well received, financial irresponsibility in Washington are caused by both parties. The GOP standing behind their sacred cows and the Democrats standing behind theirs. Neither of which always seem to benefit the 'man in the street'. I don't see Trump as the solution but more a soothing salve for conservatives frustrated with a Government that does not seem to work. From the left, resigning ourselves to an autocratic, narcissistic, woefully ignorant, mascot to address our frustrations with the current system is not the answer.
  
  Let's face it progressives and conservatives are different animals. There was a time that the GOP was a conservative party not a reactionary one. They did not climb into the woman's womb and preach from the pulpit, they were fiscal conservatives. That was OK, but that is not we have now. Trump is that predator, the George Wallace that was discredited as long ago as 1968, but is in complete fashion today, are we moving forward? I wonder.
  
  I see the GOP in its zeal to get 'government off of the backs of the people' removing the referee from the game and allowing the predators free reign to take everything without being held accountable for it. It is people like Trump and the 1 percent that are stealing it all and making the hard work of people of no account.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Your points are well received also. But, I see a vote for Hillary as accepting the status quo. I see a vote for Trump as a statement. I don't think Trump is the answer any more than you do but his election will send a very, very strong message to Washington that we will no longer accept business as usual in Washington. We will try anything it takes to change things. Trump is by far the worst alternative we could have had on the center stage yet even the worst alternative is better than what Washington is offering up.
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Can't quibble too much with what you say. I want to clarify something, though, because it is important to me. I do NOT look down on anyone who is choking down Donald because they can't stomach Hilary. I understand it. I do take issue with those who defend Donald's racism and belittling of women and minorities and even the physically handicapped. I have no respect for Trump worshippers. I have even less respect for Trump critics who've decided to not only jump on the Trump Train but gleefully defend his childish behavior and shallow policies.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  We are definitely in agreement on that.
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I think you may not understand what racism is and why the Republicans are considered to be the party of racists. It's not a catch phrase, they openly practice racism. It is very obvious and inappropriate behavior to those who can see it.
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  Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Please, instead of simply making accusations, give me examples. If you can see it so well it shouldn't be overly difficult to back up your accusations.
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Austinstarposted 7 years ago
Recently, we had a directive come down from Austin police chief, Art Acevedo. All officers are now to actually question everyone they give a ticket to to ask them "what race are you?".
My answer is immediate and clear - My 'race' is HUMAN.
I don't understand racism and never will. I don't get that some people think they are SUPERIOR (or INFERIOR) simply because of what shade of brown their skin is or isn't.
It's like saying blue eyed people are smarter than green eyed people.
It is simply a genetic expression of whatever DNA you have inherited.
For this reason alone, I will not support the Republican party.
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Hispanic American voters for Trump rises to 37%, it just keeps rising.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I never heard or seen that, share you source of that with us, please...
  
  Trump is delusional if he thinks that he has a chance of even being close to competitive in California or New York, as a recent article claims that is what he is shooting for in the general election.
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  Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  37% Support is Pretty DIFFICULT to Achieve when the "REAL Number" here in the "REAL World" is an Overall REJECTION of "Drumpf" Trump by 83% and that number keeps SINKING every time Donald OPENs his Racist MOUTH or displays his Poorly Placed "Hair PLUGz" & Sickly Orange Face on Television ~
  
  Trump is in the HOLE by approx. 30% here in California ~ If he thinks we here in an "ULTRA-Progressive State" are actually DUMB enough to VOTE for him in November, let him continue on with his "Mental BREAK-Downs & Delusions" ~
  
  In REALITY, Texas is NOW a Purple STATE and could conceivably turn Democratic BLUE in November ~ Trump is now facing the REALITY that you can't call Hispanics / Latinos "Rapists & Murders" without Suffering Severe Detrimental CONSIQUENCES ~
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Man , you are actually delusional aren't you A.P. , You should get a Hub Page Award for swallowing liberal rhetoric hook ,line and sinker ! Your opinions are the perfect example of the actual hypocrisy of the extreme left who can look right through real life issues and only pick and chose "fact " to justify the agenda of ALL liberals , socialism by whatever means possible .
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Who is deceiving who? What facts are you being deceived by, horsey?
  AP is right, what planet are you living on? Trump has no chance in any traditionally blue state with his idiocy.
  
  The Texas rightwinger is frantic about repressing the vote of a growing hispanic population that must eventually sap the red from the state.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Liberals are more prone to “psychoticism”.
  Time to get the #popcorn
  EPIC CORRECTION OF THE DECADE
  * http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 … decade.php
  
  Here's how liberals roll when reporting scientific research, they reverse the facts. So, when something like those findings get cited numerous times before being corrected...the brainwashing damage is done.
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ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

A true racist ? Is someone who can take an entire nation of people who have all but healed from whatever horrible remnants of true racism had existed for a couple hundred years and in the last forty to fifty years and all but HEALED ! AND THEN re-open those very same old and all but healed wounds , intentionally . Also , doing so with a direct and intentional will to harm a society , And here's the kicker , perhaps only liberals can answer this , He did so why ?

Because he comes from the nostalgia of pseudo- intellectual - divisive 1960's social re-engineering activist mentality , in other words , stir up the barrel and while everybody is busy hating , no ones watching what you're really doing , as you tear apart a constitution ?

And one more question , Just how pretentious is it to ask a question directly of "Republicans only " ? I'll tell ALL liberals something , I'm an older guy , 63 this next winter and I started out socially maturing as a liberal in the late 1960's and seventies during all of the summer of love stupidity , during all of the REAL social revolution in America , And I am damned ashamed of the bias , racism , and downright vitriolic hatred demonstrated of and by all liberals today !

THE REAL RACISTS IN THE LAST FIFTEEN YEARS , SINCE RACISM BEGAN IT'S NEW PHASE OF PRETEND PUBLIC DIALOG IN AMERICA , COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE LEFT ,IS PROMOTED BY THE LEFT AND WILL DIE AWAY FROM OUR PUBLIC DISCUSSION WHEN THE LEFT DECIDES IT HAS NO POLITICALLY CORRECT RESULT AND CAN'T ANY MILAGE ANY LONGER !
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Am I the only one who views your rants as becoming increasingly nonsensical and unhinged?
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  PP.No , of course not , but that's so typical of the brainwashing of those of the promised entitlements .
  There are actually a lot of you so don't feel singled out ...........:-]
  I do respect your will to stand and be heard though .
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you know, there is so much in your rant that is wrong. From my perspective, it becomes a huge waste of time to even engage you. It is clear you don't want a healthy exchange of rational ideas, since I have taken the time more than once to carefully explain a position to you, and you ignore it. You just want to rant. Let me take just one excerpt from your latest:
  
  "I am damned ashamed of the bias , racism , and downright vitriolic hatred demonstrated of and by all liberals today"
  
  Since I am a liberal, and since I have been posting on these forums off and on for many years, I would like you to tell me where I have shown racism. You said "all" liberals, so you should be able to find a few shining examples from me in the six years or so that I have been posting here. I'll check back periodically for your response.
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Castlepalomaposted 7 years ago
The idea of liberal is to expand, that is not the job of the Government, only to protect the people wail they expand harmlessly.

Liberal or Conservative or not doing their job of protecting the people.

The only true knight or way to save the people is People themselves. The Government are mercenaries for the rich.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That may be the nicest thing you''ve said about America ...........:-]
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ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
Because P.P. respectfully , I believe that all liberals today and all democrats if you will , although democrats USED to be far more fiscally responsible , have fallen head over heels for ALL fully entitlement driven political discussion and agenda . In other words I don't see here at least , many people who once were simply democrats !

What I see and read here are those who are willfully engaged in an agenda of total socialism . Or at least socialism as we fully know of it today ! Uncle Sam , please take care of me !

AND , something new to the conservative but wholly planned and understood by the new left is what comes after the discussion of raising minimum wage to $15.00 ! That is a minimum full income ! In other words .............screw foreign aid , to hell with defense spending , even Obama care , what I want is an acceptable paycheck from Uncle Sam.

Conservative America , is really just now just beginning to fully grasp the "agenda " of the left ......Socialism !

Tell me it aint' so .
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  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, avoiding the question. From now on, I will only engage you to correct your factual errors. Rant away.
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Austinstarposted 7 years ago
@ahorseback - you said, "What I see and read here are those who are willfully engaged in an agenda of total socialism . Or at least socialism as we fully know of it today ! Uncle Sam , please take care of me !"

WTF do you think is the sole purpose of HAVING A GOVERNMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

We PAY the government to take care of its citizens! We are ENTITLED to have a say in what they do with OUR money!

We DEMOCRATICALLY ELECT representatives that are SUPPOSED to do their jobs and protect us, our country, our jobs, our welfare, our infrastructure, our foreign relations, our world!

When the Republicans demonstrate that they will WORK for the people, I will support them. Until then, I will not vote for obstructionism, racism, blatant disrespect for our system, and those that REFUSE to do the job we elected them to do!

What is so difficult for you to understand about this. It's not rocket science!
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well that's it isn't it ? "The government is here to take care of me " ............................That was never the intention .
  
  I really don't need to say any more so I won't!....................No sorry .
  
  But isn't that exactly what I'm saying ?
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ah gee, if only you could answer the question.
  What do think is the main purpose of our governmant?
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The main purpose of OUR central [federal ]government is the organized centrist organization of fifty individual state governments to unify ! Period .
  
  I suggest you read a fr**kin history book ! It isn't about a nanny state government !
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Hillary Clinton use to sound a lot like Trump! Keeping Mexicans out building a wall, etc. No one calls her racist!

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6ixvKxw7E
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ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
The GOP right now is scrambling to hold control over the Donald , they are also caving in from the inside -that of an ethics vacuum . The GOP right now is also scrambling to bring up a candidate for a contesting of the convention .As Paul Ryan is a moderate who might as well be a democrat , They would rather lose the election to Clinton than stand solidly behind Trump or any outsider .

We all know that both the GOP and the DNC are experiencing growing pains . They are extremely afraid of losing their jobs and their collective power of the political purse . Americans on the street are angry as hell And want an outsider - Congress and senate are power mongers who are willing to destroy the popular vote completely TO KEEP THERE OWN kinds in office.

This election is between the people and the power of office holders , period !

Do you want more of the same ?
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Austinstarposted 7 years ago
Sorry, horseback, but you are the one that is confused. It sucks to get old and wish for the good ol days of slavery and no women voters. I feel sorry for you, stuck in the past.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It's political minions like yourself that have to put labels on the right that simply wants less government oversight over our lives. That's called liberty ! What's the matter can't substantiate with a real fact ? Obama is a bigger racist than almost any republican , I've ever known Why ? Because he replanted the seeds of hatred by his activism in matters supporting his own anti-white bias !
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If you think Obama is a racist, then you are extremely confused as to what racism is.
  But then this is obvious in your confused and twisted posts.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You need to look up the meaning of racism , It's the idiocy of shallow ,shallow minds that cannot see it when its used , especially in reverse , when you do look it up , take a look in the mirror . Reflections are great for the soul, especially errant and shallow ones.
  
  Most racism actually comes from minorities. Especially true in America these days.
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You are still confused. I am done trying to talk to you. You will never understand racism no matter how hard you try, and you don't even want to try. Have a nice life.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Go ahead and run from your own question ! That is how extreme liberals respond to fact .
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  Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Austinstar ~ Most CONservatives are "FACT-Denyers" just like "FOX Loser Snooze" so don't waste your time trying to Explain and or Educate them, it's FUTILE ~ There is NO Climate Change according to them and the "World is FLAT" ~
  
  Trump is a RACIST plain and simple & everyone knows it ~ Paul Ryan said it, David Duke Supports him, Nut-Case Hispanic Hater Joe Arpaio supports him, Jeff Sessions supports him, Angry little Weirdo Bobby Knight supports him, etc etc......And ALL who hold Public Office will Pay Dearly for it in November ~
  
  It's getting so BAD for Trump that according to reports, Cadillac ENDED their Contract & the PGA was Unsuccessful to date at finding a new SPONSOR for their golf event which once was played at Trump's Doral ~ They moved it to MEXICO to add Insult to Injury for Donald ~ Yup, you heard that right ~ ~
  
  Texas is "In-Play" and could very EASILY Convert to the Democratic Side if TURN-OUT is Robust ~
  
  Trump will NEVER be President because of his Mental INSTABILITY but Democrats must NOT be Complacent ~
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  Austinstarposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, AP. It is futile to try to explain things to those that cannot understand basic human concepts. They think they know it all.
  I said to Donald Trump, "You are the most narcissistic person on earth!"
  And he replied, "I don't see myself that way at all!"
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