Is Minnesota a good look at what bringing in Muslims will be?
20 to 30 men outside your house screaming they will kidnap and rape you! Where are all the network news when something like this happens? Do they not want us to know of these little incidents popping up all around America that could become widespread before something is done about it?
“They were screaming at the house that they were going to kidnap you and they were going to rape you,” one Minneapolis resident told KSTP TV. “It was a very traumatizing experience.”
"Somalis living in Minneapolis are almost all Sunni Muslims, and residents of the Lake Calhoun area say this isn’t the first time a group of Somali men has made an intimidating march through their neighborhood, which is filled with million-dollar homes."
Can you even imagine as many as 30 men outside your house screaming they are going to kidnap and rape you? What sort of people are these that act in such barbaric ways and how soon will it be in your back door?
http://100percentfedup.com/minnesota-mo … ers-video/
https://youtu.be/ebXBMruRAUk
TIZA is an Islamic school, "funded by Minnesota taxpayers!"
TIZA has many characteristics that suggest a religious school. It shares the headquarters building of the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, whose mission is "establishing Islam in Minnesota." The building also houses a mosque. TIZA's executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.
https://youtu.be/NmQRMK3ClU8
Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to Sharia law:
http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html
https://youtu.be/XSgxZlp6f90
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Does anyone have any doubt what will become of America if we allow this to grow?
AMERICA will continue in its pluralistic tradition because that has stood the test of time over centuries and prove that all rabble rousers will pass.
You can believe whatever you want but if you break our laws based on ENGLISH common law, you will be prosecuted, Sharia law or no.
The Channel 5 story gives credence to your account. Let ther be arrest for disorderly conduct, trespassing whatever. They will cross the line and we all will be waiting.You are kidding right , Sharia has no place and no future in America . THAT is lock stock and barrel part of this ideological war in this presidential election cycle . one thing that Americans will never allow are the "No - Go zones of Sharia that European nations allow .
The virtual hypocrisy of Hillary's support of ALL people and all issues notwithstanding . Islam can go to hell if there is one chance whatsoever that THAT happens here . If you believe that the seven hundred such No-Go zones in France ,where police can't even go or law enforcement ? Never in America .Yes, Ed, it is in America and nothing is being done. just letting it grow and fester and who doesn't know it will be just like these other countries. We get an advance glimpse and ignore it?
This is the future. Its polarization. Its about gangs. The drugs are being allowed to flow in and distributed to black communities, where the violence is coming from. Blacks get light sentences, and are back on the streets to go back to their gang. Rinse and repeat.
Gangs aren't something the politicians (presidents) talk about if ever.
Its big money for the drug cartel in America.
Hillary Clinton said, "Joining a gang is like having a family." " We need positive gangs". Of course, that was staged!
They want to divide people into tribes (gangs) and conquer. Divided we fall. Its what they have planned to bring America down. Its all apart of the Globalists grand plan. See how much they care?
"The Marxist theory is that you can accelerate the course of history by anticipating it correctly."
"The theory (Marxists) assumes that people know what their self-interest is and how best to pursue it. In reality, there is a significant gap in-between what people think and what the facts are." ~ George Soros
Vote for Trump, they all hate him, but he is the guy!
Anyway, that's what I see in this Matrix.
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And, the future doesn't need us.
BTW, I live in Minnesota.
Its a Democrat state.
Minneapolis especially.
Most Somalis are grateful to be here, have BBQs and picnics just like us, and because they came from extreme poverty...They Love It Here!
Don't shun them all. United we stand!
Why then Credence is this going on and little if any report of it? Most of these people have been there for years and cannot speak English (we set up and pay for schools in their language teaching their ways!) and Sharia Law is their law and our government plan to have thousands more come in.
The government today is putting down police in every way they can to have fighting against them and killings and trouble always brewing and these are the police we expect to then stand between us and terrorists?I don't know that it is a worthy national news story, as no one was hurt. Is one example supposed to be how we judge the rest?
Credence - Maybe that community should send them on your way then and all of you who claim to see no wrong. Here is a part of Sharia Law that in this place they are still populating and teaching and cling to.
• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes onI don't care what they believe, Jackie, they cannot do that in the United States legally.
Well of course they don't legally, and it was not legal to shout threats to these people either but do I think for one minute they will have to pay?. NO! The government is disallowing it to keep down the news of what is growing here until it is too late! Such as the little 5 year old girl attacked by three refugee juveniles that our government just quietly rushed off to somewhere else with no justice and denying it happened!
Jackie, I don't think that I can number the instances on any given day of minor children abused by adults or even other children, by non-muslims. Why is there a government conspiracy out to cover wrong doing? Is there a link to the assault story in regards to the 5 year old girl? I thought that I heard something about this. There should be no deviation in how such a case is handled, considering minors are involved, regardless of who committed the crime.
https://youtu.be/5lXyugKqHKc
The government wants to cover it up and shut it up and the little girl told what happened, why would they not believe her? The community does and they are called racist, (of course).
https://youtu.be/5lXyugKqHKc
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000....................
As a man, with little to lose if shoved into a Muslim society I doubt credence can understand the fear the images create in a woman. Ergo the comment that a group of men screaming they are going to kidnap and rape a woman isn't news worthy. Heck. He may even believe since it was Minnesota it was probably white women being intimidated so they must have deserved it.
That was a silly thing to say. What you want to do, ban all Muslims aka, Donald trump? Then who's next? What makes me progressive is I get after people for what they do, not what they look like or say. I said if the people are out of line, arrest them!!! There are so many outrages that occur on a daily basis everywhere, yet I am not insensitive to what's going on. So, it is presumptious of U to think that I am accomodating either them or their behavior.
Why would I have little to lose if shoved if an Muslim society, is it because I am black? My head detaches from my body just as easily as anyone else's.
bTW, there are over 3.3 million Muslims in the U.S, that's a potential for a lot Sharia Law and female bullying. I haven't heard much in the news about the kind of broad brush concerns always brought up conservatives with so many already here. You would think that we would have all suffered in Jihad by now.I did not suggest that. Is that the only reply a liberal can offer? To attempt to smear the opposing view with false accusations?
Interesting. Because what I see is a liberal that refuses to be honest about the situation. I see a person who cannot distinguish between a valid argument in defense of freedom for our citizens and an argument laced with denial of the world we now live in. We aren't talking about Americans who want to live peacefully and have a belief in life, liberty and freedom. We are talking about an ideology which has little use for our values and wants to see the West taken back to a time where women are nothing. Where men can kill us, if it pleases them and their laws will allow it. I see a liberal making excuses, as if they are somehow protecting human who we shouldn't expect to be able to understand our values of freedom and liberty.
LOL. Again, it is simply liberal speak. To suggest that it is as simple as arresting an individual who steps out of line is naive. This is a movement that is growing world wide. We even pay for schools, with taxpayer dollars, here in America to ensure the next generation of these refugees maintains the same ideology. It is a belief that we in the west should be forced to bow to their ideals and ours are of no value. That any measure is acceptable in the name of their goal.
That we, after opening up our borders and taking in refugees from war torn areas, should accept that they and the progeny of these refugees now have the right to flaunt our laws in our faces. The media, our government and the liberals such as yourself are complicit in helping this along here in the west. You can't see the difference between a person of Muslim faith who is peaceful and one who follows a radical ideology. They are all alike to the liberal and they expect intelligent people to ignore reality, pretend that these things don't happen, if they can't pretend that they don't then they are expected to jump through hoops to find an explanation other than the obvious one.
LOL. Everything falls back to that with you. Is that all you can see is color? There are worse things than having your head detached and, as a man, you couldn't even begin to imagine it.
Well, as evidenced by the information that has come to light in this thread just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Thanks to an ever increasingly liberal news media we may all find ourselves under sharia law without any news outlets reporting the change. That might be uber conservative to actually comment on the news, itself.Liberal news media, is always the excuse, isn't it? If it doesn't come from Fox or infowars, it's biased right? There is always some grand Govenment conspiracy. But considering the President a Muslim is a banner headline for the right-wingers.
I am being honest about it, but it is never along the line of conservative xenophobic hysteria. Open your eyes, it is the conservatives and their values that would see you 'barefoot and pregnant'.
I deal with white supremacist ideology, and they are no walk in the park either. What do you think they would do if they had the chance?
The same fear you have about men in general we have about that subset of white population, (white supremacists) and politics and politicians that play to it. We are adults and I believe in candor when circumstances call for it.
The Mormons believe in polygamy involving minor girls, are they allowed under law to practice it?
I don't care what they believe, no more than I do the White supremacists, as long as are prohibited from taking their ideas to reality.
How do you know the difference between a Muslim of peace and one ready for Jihad? If we listen to the right, we need not make that distinction.
Based on my experiences, my reality is not yours, unfortunately. You are the one that brought up the color issue in regards to your comment regarding white women.
So what is worse than being killed? A preppy white kid rapes an unconscious woman in California and get a 'slap on the wrist' for his crime from the criminal justice system. Real crimes, unjust outcomes?
How do I know that it happening at all, if I don't hear about it? That is the reasoning the Right used to say that Obama was not born in the US. And what evidence did they have to come to that conclusion, short of saying that the 'liberal media' was biased against their assertion?Having never watched Fox news and not knowing what info wars is I'd have to say that is incorrect. I don't believe there is always some grand Government conspiracy. What I do believe is that we, in our desire to be politically correct we are ignoring real problems in our country which are getting worse, not better. If Obama is a Muslim then that is news to me. Last I heard he claimed to be a Christian.
Ahh. So, if given a choice between conservative and sharia law I should opt for sharia. Thanks but no thanks. I'm not that ignorant. I'm surprised to find you are advocating such an asinine idea. Although I probably shouldn't be.
Having just recently gotten a stomach full of the black racist ideology I think I'd probably have more of a chance than someone so prejudiced would give them credit for.
I believe in candor also. I've never said I have a fear of men in general. I fear radical Islam. I can hold my own among men in the West. They, at the least, believe in the same rule of law I do.
No. Not sure what that has to do with the subject at hand.
There is the problem. We aren't talking about people who support a pluralistic society and there will come a day where we will all have to deal with the fact that those who don't are willing to bomb innocent civilians. I remember when the twin towers fell. Not living in the north I couldn't truly empathize with those who were shell shocked by the disaster. I could only sit and politely listen. What happened in CA. Again, I couldn't empathize. What happened in FL. Again, just a horrifying news story. What do you think will happen if it reaches the point where each and every one of us has our moment of horror? Will we still think, 'oh gosh, it's just a different ideology we should allow in a pluralistic society'? Sooner or later we are all going to have to accept that there are those drawing a line in the sand. All people of good will, people of all faiths and all walks of life are going to have to stand together and say no more. We, in the West, want peace within our borders. But, to do that we have got to stop looking at all of Islam as the same. We've got to stop pretending that violent ideologies are acceptable until the moment they cross the line and spill blood on our streets.
BS. I don't have any information to corroborate that statement. That's what irritates me about the extreme far ends of the political spectrum. You all want to believe the worst about everyone else in order to justify the self righteous rants.
Well, I would say that a majority in Minnesota are white, the majority in an upper class suburb would be white. You've made it clear in previous conversations that 'white folk' think they are special so I didn't think you'd have much of a problem with 'white folk' being mistreated.
That case was asinine. I don't really know the circumstances. So, since some preppy white kid didn't get the sentence he should have it's ok for white women, throughout america to be raped? That's about what your statement amounts to.
What does that have to do with a gang of youths threatening a woman in Minnesota? That, again, is what irritates me about you people on the extreme far ends. It's always 'oh, but, look at the left or look at the right' as if some perceived injustice by someone of a different political ideology excuses all manner of behavior by the other; or, now worse, allows anyone anywhere in society to threaten another human being."Having never watched Fox news and not knowing what info wars is I'd have to say that is incorrect. I don't believe there is always some grand Government conspiracy. What I do believe is that we, in our desire to be politically correct we are ignoring real problems in our country which are getting worse, not better. If Obama is a Muslim then that is news to me. Last I heard he claimed to be a Christian"
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That is fine, but you make the mistake of confusing your conclusions with that of a large segment of conservative minded people. Conservatives speak of politically correct as if their assessment of things is the only correct one.
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"Ahh. So, if given a choice between conservative and sharia law I should opt for sharia. Thanks but no thanks. I'm not that ignorant. I'm surprised to find you are advocating such an asinine idea. Although I probably shouldn't be."
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For Pete's sake, who says that we have this as our only choice? We are not being overrun by Sharia law, no more than are we being overrun by the Amish. We have a choice between a culturally pluralistic AMERICA, and the designs of the religious right, represented by conservatives. I speak this clearly and succinctly so that there is no misunderstanding. Those practioners of Islam are to either assimilate, accepting ENGLISH common law, be imprisoned or get out. We properly vet any immigrants for records of criminal activity and deny them entry on that basis. It is obvious that the overwhelming majority of the over 3 millions here have chosen the first choice. That is my position and it is hardly accomodationist. But, I resist a 'Minority report' attitude of pre-crime, and treating an individual or group any differently than any other group or individual without legal justification. That applies to Hispanic, Japanese or Moslems or anybody else. That is not the AMERICA way. That's my pet peeve. If advocating equal treatment for all is asinine, then so be it.
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"Having just recently gotten a stomach full of the black racist ideology I think I'd probably have more of a chance than someone so prejudiced would give them credit for."
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You never really defined black racist ideology short of ideas and concepts that YOU neither agree no want to seriously evaluate.
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"I believe in candor also. I've never said I have a fear of men in general. I fear radical Islam. I can hold my own among men in the West. They, at the least, believe in the same rule of law I do."
The rule of law will protect you from the 'others' as it has protected me. Yes, I fear radical Islam, but turning AMERICA into a police state in response is hardly the solution.
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"No. Not sure what that has to do with the subject at hand."
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"There is the problem. We aren't talking about people who support a pluralistic society and there will come a day where we will all have to deal with the fact that those who don't are willing to bomb innocent civilians. I remember when the twin towers fell. Not living in the north I couldn't truly empathize with those who were shell shocked by the disaster. I could only sit and politely listen. What happened in CA. Again, I couldn't empathize. What happened in FL. Again, just a horrifying news story. What do you think will happen if it reaches the point where each and every one of us has our moment of horror? Will we still think, 'oh gosh, it's just a different ideology we should allow in a pluralistic society'? Sooner or later we are all going to have to accept that there are those drawing a line in the sand. All people of good will, people of all faiths and all walks of life are going to have to stand together and say no more. We, in the West, want peace within our borders. But, to do that we have got to stop looking at all of Islam as the same. We've got to stop pretending that violent ideologies are acceptable until the moment they cross the line and spill blood on our streets."
It wasn't that long ago that in the midst of the Cold War, hysteria over the 'threat' posed by 'International Communism, had us all in suspicion of each other and promoted witch hunts against people for their completely innocent associations. This so called communist infiltration was the explanation used to stymie civil rights, labor unions, etc. So, who would benefit, promoting reactionary ideas using this Communist 'cover' concealing the true nature of what's going on? (Conservatives?)There are many people that don't like the idea of a pluralistic society. We have been dealing which such people over the life of the republic and they have been defeated each time. I got a white supremacist slaughtering blacks in their place of worship, I have a deranged anti-government nut that kills hundreds in an Oklahoma City bombing, We have nuts that kill primary school children in Conn., I have some nut killing several people in an Aurora movie theater. I don't have to go on. The country is full of violent ideologies, and they are not solely radical Islam. Those that break the law will be punished, but I will not put broad blankets over innocent people and make assumptions about them without evidence to support it. (Japanese for example)
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BS. I don't have any information to corroborate that statement. That's what irritates me about the extreme far ends of the political spectrum. You all want to believe the worst about everyone else in order to justify the self righteous rants.
I can't deny what is clearly before me. I think that I have been fair in the race discussion. Of course, if your not going to be satisfied just having your ears tickled, I believe that I can contribute to greater understanding between us.
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"Well, I would say that a majority in Minnesota are white, the majority in an upper class suburb would be white. You've made it clear in previous conversations that 'white folk' think they are special so I didn't think you'd have much of a problem with 'white folk' being mistreated."
A majority of Minnesotans are white, but that does not mean they all are. Is there a possibility that the victimized woman is Middle Eastern in origin? I never said that whites folks think that they are special, re-read my responses. I said that statistically in all areas of AMERICAN life reflecting on the quality of life, whites score considerably higher, consistently. That is an average,that may not apply to you individually, no more than the economic stats of Oprah Winfrey is the average norm for blacks in America. Unless you have a problem with government agencies that gather this data having a leftwing bias then I think that information is more pertinant that either of our individual circumstances. Is that black racism?
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"That case was asinine. I don't really know the circumstances. So, since some preppy white kid didn't get the sentence he should have it's ok for white women, throughout america to be raped? That's about what your statement amounts to."
May not be the greatest example, obviously you know nothing about the case.
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What does that have to do with a gang of youths threatening a woman in Minnesota? That, again, is what irritates me about you people on the extreme far ends. It's always 'oh, but, look at the left or look at the right' as if some perceived injustice by someone of a different political ideology excuses all manner of behavior by the other; or, now worse, allows anyone anywhere in society to threaten another human being.
Ok, bad example or analogy skip it, let it suffice to say that if they or anyone else behaves in violation of the law they are subject to arrest, that applies to EVERYONE guilty of such crimes.
Here again, media (liberal apparently) covers it up.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/muslim-refug … with-rape/Jackie, you don't believe in all the mainstream media, why do you give credibility to a smaller number of news media Wmd, infowars and Fox News. Why should I believe your "true" news sources as the more accurate?
They give you the news as it breaks if you care to know what is going on. Anything and everything of importance. The others may touch on something but if it is anti-establishment in any shape or form you can forget it and how about them blacking out all the Benghazi stuff, that just did it for me for all of the losers! I was concerned about our men with every reason to be and it drove me crazy searching to no avail, until I tuned onto FoxNews and I learned all as it was happening. I never see a program they do not have both parties represented so no one can call them unfair. I may hate to listen to the nonsense but there you go.
If you see the news you don't have to take someone's word for it. The others will not let you see it!I cannot speak personally for ABC, NBC or CBS or most other networks, but I have watched CNN and Fox News several times this year. As far as CNN is concerned, they come across as a reliable outlet comparable to the BBC or the various independent terrestrial news outlets in the UK which have an obligation to be objective in their political coverage. That doesn't seem too surprising given that their audience is drawn from across the political spectrum (32% conservative, 30% moderate, 30% liberal according to the non-partisan, non-profit Pew Research Centre in 2012).
Fox News on the other hand is by far and away most popular with conservative viewers (60% conservative, 23% moderate, 10% liberal). And that is reflected in their presentation. Coming from the UK I've been quite amazed at some of the discussions I've seen on Fox which were overwhelmingly slanted in favour of conservative viewpoints. Particularly disturbing are assertions made by some guests which go totally unchallenged by the presenters - an uncritical or tacit agreement with what the guest was saying, which would never be considered acceptable in the UK. I've often been left waiting in exasperation for the guest to be challenged on statements I knew to be inaccurate! Provocative and controversial statements are often greeted by the presenters with nods or mild assertions of approval. Of course Fox may not deliberately lie, and some of the presenters are much fairer than others, but overall the impression is of a station which cherry picks evidence in support of a conservative agenda and sensationalises unproven allegations.
In the 2012 presidential election campaign, according to Pew 46% of Fox's coverage of Obama was negative and just 6% was positive. By comparison 12% of Romney's coverage was negative and more than twice that - 28% - was positive. Does that sound fair?
I'm sure there are biases on other stations. Again according to Pew, MSNBC were even more biased in favour of Obama, but regarding Fox - that organisation is unfair, and a huge number of unbiased observers know that they are.
It would be so simple to question all refugees coming in and keep the bad out because they will not deny their belief that is certain so the fault appears to be on the US side simply refusing to ask them! What their reasoning is I have no idea except to be sure they want discord and trouble. That is how evil leaders have always taken over and their followers none the wiser until it is too late.
Have you even looked at our twin cities? Well they are no more. They belong to someone else, another culture and do not speak our language and Americans pay for them to teach Sharia law.
https://youtu.be/jpcn75EX3ug
What is Obama up to? I found this very interesting. https://youtu.be/VYGYzm5Vl2k
Sad to read this post - I'm sure it was not intended to be as offensive as it comes across, and full credit to Credence2 to whom it was directed, for merely describing it as ‘silly’. Please think about retracting the implications in the post.
Firstly, to suggest that men may not care or understand as much about the fear of women under attack is offensive. The great majority of men, I’m sure in America as well as in the UK, and I’m sure including Credence, care about men, women, white women, black women, Muslim women, Christian women equally (though I do have my doubts about whether some on the right of American society have such equality of consideration). We all understand what fear is and what it is like to experience it whatever gender, race, creed or colour we are.
Secondly, to say that Credence may have thought ‘it was probably white women being intimidated so they must have deserved it’ indicates prejudice, not on Credence’s part, but on yours.
Thirdly - ‘as a man with little to lose if shoved into a Muslim society ’ ? Are you joking? In its most extreme Sharia forms, capital punishment or floggings for atheists, non-Muslims and apostates and Draconian punishments for the most minor of misdemeanours, for anyone who believes in free speech and anyone who does not conform, or who believes in liberal values and sexual equality - you think men have little to lose in such a society?
Every decent person would reject the intolerance of Sharia Law, or any other intolerant or bigoted concept of society which seeks to impose the beliefs (religious or political) of one group over another.I did not imply that men don't care. I said that credence probably didn't since the victims would probably be white in the situation addressed in this hub. I came to this conclusion after conversations with him in another thread which made it clear he has less regard for as he puts it 'white folk' than people of other ethnic groups. I don't feel that I owe him an apology so am not inclined to offer one.
Nor did I imply that liberals don't care and I would think you would back off of your accusation against the right. These insults toward large swaths of people that are constantly thrown about on this site are troubling.Your original post said 'As a man, with little to lose if shoved into a Muslim society I doubt credence can understand the fear the images create in a woman. Ergo the comment that a group of men screaming they are going to kidnap and rape a woman isn't news worthy. Heck. He may even believe since it was Minnesota it was probably white women being intimidated so they must have deserved it.'
You did therefore imply that men probably cannot undestand the fear of a woman in these circumstances, and that they therefore don't take it so seriously. It's reasonable to deduce from that that you don't think men care so much about that fear. The suggestion of yours that men had little to lose in a Muslim society also implies men do not care about the suffering of women in such a society. Anyone who cares about women cares if they suffer in a repressive society. To see suffering is a loss to everyone - men lose as well as women. So in both cases, what you imply is wrong.
But where do I imply in my comment that you suggested liberals don't care? Your attack was on men in general and Credence in particular, rather than liberals. As for 'insults towards large swathes of people' I would suggest that far more of those come from the right towards anyone who doesn't fit in with their philosophy (always conservative, usually pro-gun and Christian religious, and sometimes bigoted), than from the leftMy comment was directed at credence, alone. But since you want to believe otherwise, who am I to stop you? You've already indicated by your comments that you have tried and found guilty large swaths of people so I suppose you judging me is par for your course.
Your comment therefore may have simply been badly phrased in suggesting that Credence's problem was that he was a man. You said 'as a man --- I doubt credence can understand the fear'. That did clearly imply a general attitude towards male viewpoints on this subject.
However leaving that aside, yes I do judge when I hear bigoted, irrational, intolerant opinions such as those I have mentioned in another comment on this forum, as well as many I have heard from the mouth of a certain Republican presidential candidate who is attracting large swathes of support. I am not however judging you 'Live to Learn'. The first thing I said in my original comment was that 'I'm sure (your post) was not intended to be as offensive as it comes across' . I honestly don't think it was. You, however, seem to be judging me.
Nice to see you Greensleves, thanks for coming to my aid. As you guys say, looks like I got myself into a sticky wicket? Hope all is well in the United Kingdom!!!
That's OK Credence. You seem to often be in a minority on these forums, so I thought I ought to have a say. No doubt some would suggest you move to the UK, and I daresay at least you'd be one of the majority here
Despite all the recent upheavals in our society with Brexit, Prime Ministerial resignations and leadership elections in both major parties, plus a large Muslim population - we still seem to find far less to fear and less to be vitriolic about, than do some in America.Nigel Farage talked to Americas at the RNC Convention. I really like that guy, what a great spirit he has, he seems to really be in touch with people. You can be very proud to have such a leader who really cares about you. Smart man to create UKip. I'm glad Camron stepped down.
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_AJkwOKjKo
Oh but, I'm getting off topic.Nigel Farage divides people more than any other public figure in the UK. Many like him, but many more hate him. I actually have a slightly ambivalent attitude. I admire his courage in standing up for all he believes for all these years and I (and most people) share many of his concerns about uncontrolled immigration. I voted for Brexit, and without Farage, that referendum may never have happened. Also, despite speaking bluntly, his public position on immigration in the UK is usually more moderate when set against that expressed by, for example, Donald Trump.
However, the nagging suspicion is always that Farage's public pronouncements are carefully made to appear reasonable so as to appeal to the majority of the British public, and that underlying his public position may (I emphasise 'may' ) be a less tolerant attitude. I'm not sure he is a nice man. His recent effective support for Donald Trump, who is far less tactful, also suggests that.
I guess I'm glad Farage is in politics because he speaks uncomfortable truths about sovereignty, immigration and Islam, which would otherwise be swept under the carpet by some in the 'establishment', and as such he provides a public voice for these fears. However, I'm thankful he'll stay as a vocal scrutineer of progress towards Brexit and greater immigration controls, but will never become Prime Minister. I think in a position of power he'd take things too far.
Well, Greensleeves, welcome to America. You got yourself caught up in the quagmire of politics here.
I am being subject to a tar and feathering by a mob with pitchforks. Do I hear London calling? Perhaps I need to get a ticket.
It is interesting to observe the difference of political conservatism from the British standpoint as compared to ours. You told me that you consider yourself a conservative in your society, here that translates to moderate (an extinct species in America) to even, possibly, liberal here.
You have all your extreme right wing nut cases and their movements locked in the closet, here, as you can see, they are all quite strident and has enamored a large portion of the populace.
Their views are exclusionary and xenophobic. Their leader, like his party, asks people to blame their neighbor or the fellow across the street for their political and economic plight.
Standard operating procedure within the fascists playbook. You know, I have seen that movie before. So if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, you call it what it is, a Donald.Thanks Credence. Yes I am broadly Conservative by UK definitions and certainly I can sympathise with some of the anxieties about Islam. Maybe it would surprise you but I am intending when I have time to write a piece in partial support of the French ban on wearing the Muslim veil in public. I'll give my reasons when I write the hub. But believing that some Muslim practices are extreme and unwelcome is a very far cry from tarnishing all Muslims - most of whom are moderate, tolerant and law abiding - with the same paranoid brush as Donald Trump and too many others in America seem to want to do.
Nobody in the UK could get away with saying many of the things Trump says. Of course they would be free to do so, but they would be so roundly condemned by both sides of the political divide, their chances of being seen as credible would be minimal.
Regarding your comment about walking and talking like a duck, quack doctors seem to have been replaced these days by quack politicians
Afternoon, Greensleeves. I am sure that your pending article will be an interesting one. If I were sitting where you are and had to write such an article, I have to be remind myself that France operates under the Napoleonic Code as the basis of its law, and there is some difference between that and ENGLISH Common Law, the foundation of law in the U.S. and Britain? The concept of 'prior restraint' may work for them but is a tough stretch under AMERICAN law. Some of the cases coming from France indicate significance given to cultural integrity and cohesion, being French. This cohesion may well be part of a foundation of legal jurisprudence for them. I would sure be anxious to get your take on this.
There was a case here in Florida a few years ago, where a woman protests about uncovering her face from her Burka as part of the Department of Motor Vehicles requirement for a photograph on a driver's license she was trying to obtain.
It was laughed out of court. In Florida, as in any other state, operating a motor vehicle on a public thoroughfare is a privilege, not a right. Regardless of Sharia Law, she was told if you want to legally operate a motor vehicle on public property, in the interests of public safety and appropriate identification, you MUST have a driver's license and that requires a facial photograph, period.
Everybody is free to worship as they wish, but the law is the law. That is why as this hysteria talk about Sharia law taking over is just another red herring.Exactly. The issue of the veil is not just about religious or cultural freedoms which I can certainly support - it's also about security issues, social communication issues, practicalities of living in our modern society and many other aspects, which may or may not require legislation depending on one's point of view. Anyway, I've got one or two other hubs in the pipe line, but I hope to write that one as soon as I can. Best wishes friend
People are mad and I do not blame them. Trying to say this sex was consensual!!!!!
These people have no answer or simply not giving them? Other people dying, child porn?
Jun 20, 2016
"The little girl was playing outside Fawnbrook apartment buildings when the boys put a knife to her throat and forced her inside a laundry unit. She was then stripped naked, raped and urinated on. The 13-year-old reportedly told the younger boys to urinate on her because they were incapable of ejaculating.
https://youtu.be/M1FKJX_6cow
You are being played through the right wing propaganda machine. How many children in this country meet with tragic circumstances every day? It is the right's bait and switch agents that focuses attention on the one incident. Would that have been newsworthy if anyone outside of the Muslim community were responsible for this?
Although I do believe in a pluralistic society I am becoming a little concerned with reports of how the immigrants and refugees have little respect for our laws and our customs. What happened in Germany, and now this.
If they cannot coexist in a civilized manner I see no reason to offer refuge.
Keywords, "somali gang violence in minneapolis" is bringing up some articles as recent as July 2016. There does seem to be a block on Google anyway, I haven't tried a different browser. Oh those Technocrats!
The Somali community in Minnesota, which took root in the 1980s, is now more than 30,000 strong...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-min … story.htmlThirty men were abusing freedom of speech and breaking the LAW!!!
Lock em up.
B O U N D A R I E S !!!!Yes they were and there are boundaries.
May I point out one or two things?
1) One of the linked-to pages in the opening post begins with: 'Of course, you won’t see this story on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC or any of the other liberal news stations' . That immediately suggests to me not that there is some kind of cover up, but rather that there is probably a bit less to this story than meets the eye. No doubt something happened which caused fear, but the lack of any context or any explanation for the mob's actions or the lack of video of the incident makes me wonder exactly what happened. Whatever, the comments which follow this and the second linked to item on YouTube are to me more frightening than the original story. Among many other comments made presumably by gun-toting rightwingers who don't care too much for authorised law and order are:
'Shoot those f*****s, leave them lying on the floor with their guts piling out.'
'Kill all the migrants from islam'
'The police & Politicians don't care what these scums do to us. They are afraid of them. We the people sure know what to do with them don't we. You hurt & rape our women you die. Get a rope & tree like they did in the 1800 hundreds.'
'Put some lead in those scum bags'
'Take all of your bullets, swab them in pig's lard, then pray these heathens attack your house.'
I hope some others find these kind of comments at least as sickening and frightening as the original story.
2) The idea of 'no-go zones' in Europe has been debunked as at best highly exaggerated, and at worst mythical. Although I cannot speak with first hand experience about other countries (neither I suspect can most who write here), certainly allegations made about the UK, usually by right wing Americans or extreme nationalist Brits, have been nonsensical. Fox News indeed had to retract and apologise after making allegations about such no-go zones in England.
Yes, it may be true that in private some Muslims may feel pressured by some in their communities to conform to non-Western Sharia ideals, just as children may feel pressured to conform to the standards of their parents, but such adherence to Sharia Law is NOT accepted as part of the law of the Land, and any who go against Sharia will be given the protection of the Law. Any actions against them under Sharia Law are illegal and if uncovered will be prosecuted.
3) So much else in these posts smacks of conservative paranoia and conspiracy theories against anything and everything the 'establishment' (politicians or media) says, but on the other hand a willingness to take at face value anything that some right wing rumour monger suggests.Sorry you had to go on and on watching tapes not intended here to make any points but that was you not me.
I reported a story that made no news and why didn't it? Why hasn't the one of the little 5 year old and many others here in America? You don't live here so maybe you have no way of knowing many of these network news channels plus some are owned by the liberals and they will print nothing much to look bad on the existing establishment and the one hoping to take over.
Years ago, if it happened in the US it made the news, now it does not, so that is our first clue. Second is even terrorist get swept under the rug and denied and not mentioned. It doesn't really matter to me or other real Americans that want our country back as it once was what you or others think. Who wants to come to a savaged America with no freedom or rights to judge for ourselves? We are popular for what we have been not what this administration hopes us to be.
I like to bring out all the facts I can, if you don't want to look then don't. You don't have to live here. We do look at Europe and we do not believe it is exaggerated, in fact I am sure we haven't a clue how bad it is.
As I have said before it was just during the Benghazi tragedy that I discovered we had a news problem! Yes the news broke they were under attack and then nothing. I searched all those channels and they said nothing until screaming online to get help someone told me the hard facts. There are very few places you can get the news as it breaks! So I learned that lesson well and I know now whenever any news breaks...and btw I watched Obama and Hillary and Rice all come out and lie about a video being to blame for the attack they refused to send help to our men for. Of course the whole world knows now who it was and that they lied but they still are in no trouble for it, still not charged with murder.
New emails are coming out though so we are many still hoping!It's OK - I didn't have to watch much because in the two clips referrred to, there was very little to see. What concerned me more was the stream of vile comments which followed the clips, which seem to express the very dangerous sentiments which all too often come from some on the right wing these days. The clips concerned the large group of Muslims reported as yelling abuse and threats at a resident in her home. I didn't address the story of the 5 year old. I will take a look at that.
You say it doesn't matter to 'real Americans' what I or others think. That, in a nutshell, is part of the problem. Too many are insular in their thinking. They don't care what anyone else thinks, whether they present an objective viewpoint from another country, or an alternative viewpoint from within their own country. They are so convinced that they are right that any other opinion, even if expressed by an objective news company, or by an impartial inquiry, is dismissed as a lie, or an establishment cover-up. The implication is that even Americans, born and bred, who think differently are not 'real' Americans.
All I can say about the view of no-go zones in Europe you expressed is that they are not facts, and they are exaggerated - certainly about Britain, and probably about every country. But I know that unfortunately goes against the new conservative dogma presented by media outlets like Fox. I repeat, Fox themselves made a public on-air apology for its assertions about no-go zones. I can give you a link if you like:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world … .html?_r=0
You say you want hard facts, and that many channels do not present these 'as the news breaks'. But perhaps that is because they take the responsible attitude of waiting for the facts - and the detail behind the facts - to emerge in a confused situation, rather than just spontaneously commenting, reporting hearsay, and uncritically carrying accusations or opinions as though they are fact?
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