Discovering the contradictions of the Bible.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   Logical thinking. 
   
   Quick note about John
   In Revelations 22:10, Don't seal the prophetic words of this book, because the time is near. Let the unrightous go on in unrightousness; let the filthy go on being made filthy; let the rightous go on in righteousness; and the holy go on being made holy.
   
   So after the John was told not to seal the prophetic words of the book, he ends the book with.
   
   Revelations 22;18- I testify to everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book. And if anyones takes away from the words of this prophetic book, God will take away his share of the tree of life and the holy city, written in this book. (So he sealed it anyways)
   
   So theoretically,  by logic, John is a liar since he was not given authority to seal the prophecies, but manipulated people into believing they can't change the end.  I am under the impression that sealing means to leave it unchanged.

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      SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      By logic, you made a false statement. You say that John is a liar by logic and that he sealed the book and go even further to say that the end can be changed. It's easy to make statements. You can make a statement about anything there is, was or ever will be. So what? It's easy to tell people they're really good people. It's easy to tell a lie. What is hard is to tell the truth to people who want no truth.
      
      When you make statements such as you made above, you are really saying that God is weak and can't keep His own Word. If that is your god you can keep him. I will keep the Lord Jesus Christ.

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         sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         well, you will have your wish and I will have mine, the difference between you and me is that I belive that all people are worthy of God not matter what, and what you say is it has to be a certain way.  Well be it as it may,  I tell no lies.  What you seek is to be better than someone else and for whatever reasons you feel this way, than I pray that God will open your eyes.  You can call me a liar, you can say that things will not change, but what you don't know is you are no different from someone who believes in Jesus Christ or God than someone who does not.  There you are false. 
         What proof can a person give to know that all man shall see heaven and all man is worthy of God?  None would be acceptable proof for you because you are set in one direction, one that is to no avail.  d
         So pray, do your prayin to the Lord above, because what I have you will never have, you will never find, but even then you will ultimatly be worthy of God.  How you read things are a reflection of yourself, so see to it that you change yourself from the inside. 
         With that I can only hope that one day you would find it in your heart to forgive all regardless of circumstances. 
         
         
         So YOU make no mistake!  John does tell a lie, an innocent one at that, but what you do is perpetuate the lie and what you want is total destruction for this life and there is no good in praying for an end to this means when the end to this means can come today if you would allow it. 
         
         You make no mistake, when God speaks listen, and you have not yet heard the words from God, you will continue on in your sorrows, but there will be no veil lifted from your eyes until you are ready to know that indeed Jesus came for all man, not just you, and not just those who glorify Jesus Christ.  It is people like you that turn people away from Jesus, not people like me.  It is people like you who mock the very words of God to set yourselves above the rest.
         Go, Go pray for my death, because what will come after to man, I am certain you do not want to be apart of.  Have mercy on your own soul to see the things that you say, have mercy on your own soul for denouncing a truth when it is the truth. 
         You believe not! 
         For certainly what is not easy for you is to forgive when forgiveness is free and a virtue that was given by Jesus Christ himself.  So YOU see to your own fony prayers that God will answer when there isn't anything you or anyone else can do that will change what was and is granted to me and in that all man will be saved.  Every single one.  You have no authority over me,  and for you to delute my praises to the people is ignorant and is full of pride and division, it is full of blaspehmy and full of hate and rage, it is full of those things that Jesus told you not to know and yet you do. 
         
         Aww but you know no better and that is why all man will be saved.

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            SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            No man is worthy of the love of God. No man can work out salvation. No man can work his way into heaven. It is God who is worthy. It is God who loves man, not the other way around. God made a way for all men to come to Him. Some will accept the way that God made, others will refuse it.
            
            You can throw darts at me all night long. You can do anything you want to against me. Nothing will change the Word of God that is written. It is settled and God changes not. It doesn't matter if you hear what I say or not. The word of man is nothing. It is the Word of God that is true. Man's word is lies.
            
            Not sure where you are coming from or where you get some of the ideas that you post. You tell me to go pray for your death. Why would you say something like that? I also think you know me better than that. You have read most of my hubs. I just don't believe you're as ignorant as your last post.

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   MOmmagusposted 16 years ago

   like many such contridictions in the Bible, these two versus are taken out of context.  In the first one, an angelic being is telling john to read the bible often; use this to prepare for the end.  The second verse is a command from the holy spirit, warning us NOT to change or to add to the scriptures.  If one does, they will be under a great curse.  There are also other issues to condider here, for example, there are translation problems with the word "seal."  there are several possible variations for translating this and many other words in the Bible.  So, the english Bible is, in a sense,  a translation of a translation of a language composed of words that our language doesn't even have.  Is this making any sense to anyone?
   
   I think it's good to remember the God gives everyone "words" all the time.  Personal and helpful "words" that are just as relevant as the Bible.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   well thanks for commenting,  but Revelations is not the end and it will change, and then the Spirit and the Bride said: anyone who wants to come can come.  The end.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   No man is worthy of the love of God. No man can work out salvation. No man can work his way into heaven. ---SirDent
   
   Think about what you just wrote sirdent, then neither are you worthy of God.

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      SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      You are right. I am not worthy of God. But that doesn't matter. God loves me anyway and made a way for me to be saved. The same way is for everyone who will come.
      
      I forgot to write, No man can buy his way into heaven.

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         sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly my point SirDent, there is no need to buy your way into heaven because God love you and us no matter what.  So God Bless hope I didn't upset you too much.  Really, I mean that.  I love you too you know.

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            SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You didn't upset me at all. It isn't my Word that you twist and turn into nothing. There will be a day of judgment. There is no need of a day of judgment if everyone is going to make it no matter what. There is no need of a Word of God if everyone is going to make. There is no pint in doing anything at all, even showing love to others, if everyone is going to make it.
            
            What I am saying is, your posts are lies and they are done by someone who is blind to truth. You think you know the truth, but yet you are deceived. I have been lied to before and believed the lie. It is not a good feeling to realize that you believed something that's false, but you can get over it. Some things you cannot get over if you believe them.

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               sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               No your are! LOL.  You go on leading people away and I will go on leading people to.  You are selfish. I will see to it that the judgment you display on me shall come back to you.  Good luck.

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                  SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL! Why wait? Judge me now. I love it when I am threatened. I love it when everyone else knows all about God but I know nothing. I do see a lot of people following you. They follow you very closely as a matter of fact. I love being called judgmental. I especially love it when a follower of Christ calls Christ a liar.
                  
                  It's easy to fool people. It's easy to use big words and elegant speech to move them. The easiest path is the one that leads to destruction. You don't have to do anything. Just walk right on the way you are going. No rules to follow. No law at all for anyone to obey. Well. maybe you should keep it at or under the speed limit.
                  
                  Everyone in the world is bound by something. Some are bound by the grace of God and yet others are bound by wickedness. There shall be no wicked thing in heaven. I most likely will not reply here anymore. It looks to be getting a little too personal to me. Not only from you but from myself also.

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                     sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     i never called Christ a liar,  no one follows me,  and no one has judged you,  you just  assumed your own judgement.  And I have everything!

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                        SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        From another thread
                        
                        I bolded the part about Jesus being a liar. To go to the post click. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/3586?page=6#post28152

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        I bolded the part about preaching about and then NOT behaving in a loving, forgiving, christian fashion.
                        
                        Otherwise known as lying.

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                           SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           I did post that I know.

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               Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               And this attitude, right here, is what is wrong with Christianity today.
               
               There is no POINT in showing love to others if we are all going to Heaven?
               
               Hello?
               
               Can you HEAR yourself?
               
               You only show love to others to get a ticket to Heaven? That would make you a Pharisee, I believe ...
               
               I have only this to say to you, Sir Dent - 1 Corinthians 13.
               
               Jenny

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   Mishaposted 16 years ago

   LOL Now I see why Mark doesn't like hardcore christians

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Misha - This is the mild version.
      
      Although I have not personally experienced living in a communist state, there are an awful lot of similarities in control techniques. Where do you think the communists learned them ?

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   I really want to know why anyone would argue that God loves you, not me.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   I must admit to not understanding why people who profess to be christian take it so personally when others make comments about their chosen belief system. What difference does it make to you personally if some one thinks the bible is a lie?

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      SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Mark, Sandra herself has stated more than once that she is a Christian. She acts like one and even talks like one at times. To call Jesus a deceiver and still follow Him means she thinks she's following a lie. I dialog with atheists all the time in MSN forums. Not only atheist, but people of many different belief systems.
      
      I will say that Jesus is more talked about and slandered than any other religious leader, guru or whatever you may want to call them. No one talks badly about Buddha like they do Jesus. Why so much animosity toward Jesus? Don't you find that even just a little odd?

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         Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Not even slightly a little odd. When I look at some of the other things you have said in these forums I am not surprised one little bit.
         
         But you didn't answer the question. Why does it matter to you personally if Jesus Christ is maligned in any way. If indeed he ever existed - as I understand it, he would have taken these insults on the chin with a smile and wished the person all the best - and meant it.

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            SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, He would have taken them on the chin but I am not Jesus. I am still working on myself to be like Jesus. Emotions sometimes run high and get in the way of good judgment. It is that way for everyone believer or not.
            
            Believers are called to spread the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are called to expose the lies that are taught. It is part of our makeup in the Lord. We are the salt of the earth. We are the light of the world.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see how you can be the light of the world when you allow your personal emotions to color your statements. Sounds, as usual, like:  "Do as I say, not as I do." to me.  And if you are the salt of the earth, I will take it unsalted thanks. Allow me to share the real TRUTH
               
               
               
               No lies here.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               This is why I make fun of you. You think you are the salt of the earth and the light of the world. And you think you know the truth. And you are called to spread this truth. Not sure who by as I am pretty sure even you would admit God did not directly ask you to do this. Also, you do not live by your truth.
               
               As far as I am concerned, this is at best hypocrisy, at worst a lie.
               
               If I saw christians on a daily basis helping people and contributing something positive to the world, I would have a different opinion of them.

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         RFoxposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         The animosity towards Jesus is a direct result of the actions of His followers.
         
         Buddhists are not judgmental, we embrace all faiths and paths that help to make people better human beings. We do not try to convert or profess that 'our way' is the only 'true way' because we understand the world is a diverse place and people need to find their own path through life. That is why people leave the Buddha alone.
         
         Many Christians push their belief on others. They are extremely judgmental, professing their 'way' is the only 'true way' and anyone who doesn't follow this belief are evil, wicked heathens who are going to burn in the hell fires of damnation. This kind of thinking and overt hatred towards non-believers is what causes the backlash against anything to do with Christianity.
         
         The irony, of course, is that Jesus preached loving compassion for all people and an attitude of non-judgment. How His words became so twisted by certain members of the Christian faith I will never understand. I also don't personally understand attacking Jesus because of the actions of His followers but that's humanity for you. It isn't fair but what in life is.
         
         Jesus was a prophet and an enlightened being, the problem is many Christians do not actually follow His words of wisdom. That is why, in my opinion, there is so much animosity.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   I never called myself a Christian or anything for that matter
   you didn't read the entire forum about that post to even make it a true statement, yet you picked it out to make suite your needs and thus say I called Jesus a liar, when no, no I did not call Jesus a liar, which is well stated in many other things I write.  Christians are horrible at reading I guess or just to lazy to read everything they start to get into,  Shoulda read, Why I hate Christains who don't listen, hub, I left a really great message down at the bottom that never fails.

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      SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      You wrote the quote I quoted above in another thread. You can't deny it. I did follow that thread for the days it was active. I won't say I understood everything that was written but I did understand parts of it. It isn't hard to understand someone calling Jesus a deceiver.
      
      I am trying to remember whether or not you called yourself a Christian now. Maybe I was wrong in that and I only assumed it. One thing I know for sure, you cannot follow Christ as being truth and call him a deceiver.
      
      Mark, you can believe anything you want to believe. I have never nor will I ever take away that right from anyone. So many people think that just cause they believe something, that makes it right. Many believe that God is not able to keep His own Word. That doesn't hurt me at all.
      
      Most atheists do everything they can to insult believers in Christ. They persecute them on a daily basis. They talk about Jesus and make fun of Him constantly. Jesus is the most talked about person in history. He is mocked more than anyone else ever was or ever will be. That fact in itself should tell you something. Just the very fact that you  yourself have to make fun of Him should tell you something.
      
      Have you ever asked yourself why you do that so much? Did you ever ask yourself why it even matters to you at all? If you don't believe God is real why fight so hard against Him? Just ask yourself. You don't have to answer me here. Try being truthful to yourself for once.

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   What did the egg say to the pot of boiling water?   It will take me a while to get hard cause I just got layed by a chick!!!!! LOLOLOL!

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      SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure if that's an insult or supposed to be funny.

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    Sprinkler Manposted 16 years ago

    SirDent,
    
    I have found out while trying to deal with athiests that it is not worth the argument. They bore you with unproven scientific facts and only try to bring you down to their level.
    
    I have given up on discussing anything further, would hate to live in their world and be down at their level.
    
    SM

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       SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I understand what you mean but at the same time God made Himself small and got down to our level in order to save us. We are called to spread the gospel of Christ to all the world. That being said, I also know that there are times to speak and times to listen.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       This would be another reason. This person is a good example of why I make fun of "christians."
       
       He thinks he is on a higher level than me and can't be bothered to stoop to my level to discuss it.
       
       Although, he also believes that because there are fish in the sea, this is proof that evolution is not happening.

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          SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          You are wrong in what you said about Him being on a higher level Mark. It is God who is on the higher level and that's what he is saying.
          
          It doesn't matter what you think of me Mark.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

    Well, actually, my impression of you is improving every time you make a sensible, well thought out remark that doesn't involve telling me that I am going to hell
    
    And Sprinkler man said
    
    "I have given up on discussing anything further, would hate to live in their world and be down at their level. "
    
    He has given up and  he would hate to be down at my level. He prefers his current state of ignorance and believes it puts him at a higher level than me. Whatever that means. LOL

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       SirDentposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       When a discussion on the Bible is started as it goes along hell will always be mentioned at some point. It is inevitable. Just as a discussion on Atheism almost always evolution will be mentioned and discussed. It's just how things are. If we were to discuss writing, eventually the use of punctuation would be mentioned. It all goes hand in hand.

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       Sprinkler Manposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Mark,
       
       I would rather have my state of ignorance than your higher level of ignorance LOL LOL LOL.......

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          Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Sound of case resting

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    Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

    Not really. My atheism has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Hadn't even heard of it when I decided that the christians had it all wrong.
    
    Atheism is a non-belief in something.

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    SirDentposted 16 years ago

    I did say almost always on evolution. I believe you understand what I meant though.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Quite right Sorry.

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    sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

    Did you go to school sirdent?

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    sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

    Romans 3:11
    
    There is no one rightous, not even one;
    there is no one who understand,
    there is not one who seeks God.
    All have turned away,
    together they have become useless;
    there is no one who does good,
    there is not even one.
    Ther throats is an open grave;
    they decieve with thier tongues
    Vipers' venom is under thier lilps
    their mouth is full of cursing
    and bitterness.
    Thier feet are swift to shed blood;
    ruin and wretchedness are in thier paths
    and the path of peace
    they have not know
    There is no fear of God before their eyes.
    
    I guess this passage doesn't pertain to Christains.
    
    Luke 18:19
    
    "Why do you call me good? Jesus asked him.  NO one is good but one- God.  You know the commandments." 
    
    Not even Jesus is good.

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    sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

    True Rx,  now I feel really bad for the way I have been behaving.  I'm sorry. 

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       RFoxposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       We are all human and fall into the trap of humanity quite often. I certainly am no saint! Lol.
       
       Being able to say 'sorry' shows enlightened values. So many people are unable to say that word or acknowledge their own shortcomings. So don't feel bad. Life is but a journey with many lessons to learn. And you seem to be a fast learner Sandra!

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