I would never die for God.

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   The thing is...if this "God" didn't want to kill me or didn't make anyone who believes it want to kill more or take away my rights as a human, or if this "God" accepted me just as I am, then I would you believe it?
   
   I understand thier God like this;
   while the assumption that God is a literal man up in the clouds is not something that in reality could be considered even a sane belief, but that is my opinion;  However,  when it comes to understanding the way this God may possibly exist, I put it to you this way.
   
   Considering evolution; we know by what it had produced and we understand it by how it works.  By this I mean, we cannot literally see evolution, just like you cannot literally see this guy up in the sky, but its been given a label so that you can understand it.  Hope you follow what I am saying here.
   
   Likewise,
   
   Considering God; we can know it by what it produces but understand it by how it works.  By this I mean, we cannot literally see God, just like we cannot literally see evolution, but it is given a label so that you can understand it.  Hope you follow what I am saying here.
   
   So my thoughts go like this; In this way God does exist, but it exist through the manifestation of the people who believe it.  Thereby this entity that cannot be seen for what it actually is, just as a singularity for the entire existence for anything at all cannot be seen for what it actually is...
   
   So what these people have created in thier minds about what God is, has manifest into reality, as it does not actually exist, but in the human being is the ability to do what this God has asked them to do and in this way it does exist.
   
   My "fear" is because what a believer lacks in understanding, is thier willingness to destroy the things that are on accounts of something that they make happen.  Never will they believe that they have all thier own authority to stop this "maddess" had they used any sound reasoning to see that they are what they believe but non of which will tell you, that they are the Gods of their own delusion. 
   
   Scarry????  Hell yeah, God scares the piss out of me, not because I believe God will come down and hurt me, but I do believe that the believers in this will. 
   
   Had the believers never intended or even elluded to such groteque tactics as killing, worship by force or brainwashing or any other dispicable thing that they do, I would have probably been convinced through the manifestion of love and peace that this "God" exist.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You dont know God.

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         teachingpriestposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with him...

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            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            So you are saying that you would give your life for me, aw you are so sweet.  Cheers, you didn't read the hole thead did you.  I am sure if you did you would be saying that niether Mohit knows God too.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Anyone who opens a weeks-dead thread to leave a one liner is here to preach his version

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Sandra is a seeker who has had a spiritual experience,she is well on her path to becoming one with the light or god ,its a question of time.She has good understanding of many spiritual truths.

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                  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  thanks Mo.

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      Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sandra,
      You mention God being manifest on this earth through His Believers. How is evolution manifested?

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         manifest-
         
         1. readily perceived by the eye or the understanding; evident; obvious; apparent; plain: a manifest error. v
         
         2. Psychoanalysis. of or pertaining to conscious feelings, ideas, and impulses that contain repressed psychic material: the manifest content of a dream as opposed to the latent content that it conceals.
         
         It doesn't take people to make evolution manifest, it takes people to manifest God.
         Or in otherwords, people are the product of evolution, God is the product of man. 

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            So God doesnt exist and the universe just came into being and is still functioning with ridiculous accuracy which keeps blowing the human mind

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               sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               yes

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                  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  ok since you insist

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   dingdongposted 15 years ago

   I like the title and your thoughts

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks dingdong, I love your screen name. 

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         dingdongposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks, derived it from rhymes ding dong bell but never thought 'dingdong' has more meanings

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   Milla Mahnoposted 15 years ago

   Hey sister, don't be scared, better listen to Bobby McFerrin, the wisest man on the planet
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      thanks, that was pleasant. 

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   Jewelsposted 15 years ago

   I would never die for God!  Hmmmm?
   
   Imagine the love a mother has for it's child - of course a truly loving mother that loves unconditionally.  That passion of love is pure nectar.  Imagine that feeling 100 fold or more.  The feeling is the clue, there are no thoughts to this, no judgments at all.  A total state of magnificent nectar.  If the child was ripped away from the mother, what would the mother do?
   
   Forget the thoughtform that God is not the same as this feeling of nectar.  Someone/something put a name to this beautiful state of being as God.  It's a name.  Shove the name God wherever you want it to be shoved.  But the feeling is the state of being in Union - that's a universal standard.  Paradoxes being that you would never have any reason to kill if you were in it.  But take the child from the mother and you may have a different answer.
   
   Interestingly one doesn't need to obey the nectar but combiness with it.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Very nice

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure what you are elluding to but, I would die for my kid anyday, I would die for people whether they believe in God or not or God of a different name I don't care. 
      
      Anyways, as the story goes, this girl Sandra says, "why not just stop killing altogether?"  She said,  what about the innocent baby left behind because his/her parents were shot down in the crossfire....
      
      She says, if you don't want that to happen to you, then why would you do it to them?
      
      And I will say again, I will not die for God.  If you believe that God is love, then show me love othewise whateva!  lol
      
      

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         Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Perhaps there are different notions of what God is.  I, personally, don't see God as separate from myself, so would I kill to defend myself - probably yes, I'd give it a go.  It may depend on how much I love myself and how willing I am to fight for my life in this lifetime. A mother sees/feels her child is a part of herself, something born of her own body.  How beautiful an analogy to show there is  no difference than a divine presence producing you from itself.
         
         I do question however, current 'religious' wars, have anything to do with a sense of God, or that feeling.  I am generalizing, because unless I'm closer to people (it's not so easy over the internet) it's difficult to sense where peoples motivation is coming from.  You know (you just fucking know) when people are coming from a high space of integrity.
         
         "She says, if you don't want that to happen to you, then why would you do it to them?" This statement sounds like an eye for an eye - and really has nothing to do with fighting for "God."

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            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            excellent.  absolutely, I concure. 

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         mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         God is love and love is god.Also to now God you need to die

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   Jewelsposted 15 years ago

   Ben you said:
   
   "You mention God being manifest on this earth through His Believers. How is evolution manifested?"
   
   What's this got to do with the price of fish and whether someone would die for God?

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      Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Jewels, that's not for you to know at this time.
      All you need to know is, "'God' has a question for Sandra.":
      
      Actually Sandra brought up the issue by stating that the idea of the existence of God is manifested through their own belief. God is real because people make Him real in their own minds and their manner of life.
      
      She also mentioned this reality over and against Evolution and our present physical reality. I was simply asking her how Evolution manifested itself since its proponents would say that our present physical reality is a result of evolution.

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         Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         "Not for me to know at this time"?  Well pat my head!   I'm not a puppy!  Your question still is not making sense to me.  The existence of God - of course it's manifest through the minds of people.  How else is it manifest?  Evolution - is that only measurable through our actions and who we BE as humans?  You can talk physical evolution and the changing of our height and weight and length and qualify of life as an organism, or spiritual evolution.  Have we progressed in virtuous actions?  Are we any closer to being honest and tolerant.  Has our consciousness become such that we can see and feel when the person next door to us doesn't have enough to eat or is having trouble paying their gas bill?  Have we progressed enough to be the best we can be in spite of the challenges life brings.
         
         Sandra, if I'm off the mark in reference to your idea of evolution, please let me know.

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   Jewelsposted 15 years ago

   Sandra said:
   
   "So my thoughts go like this; In this way God does exist, but it exist through the manifestation of the people who believe it.  Thereby this entity that cannot be seen for what it actually is, just as a singularity for the entire existence for anything at all cannot be seen for what it actually is...
   
   So what these people have created in thier minds about what God is, has manifest into reality, as it does not actually exist, but in the human being is the ability to do what this God has asked them to do and in this way it does exist."
   
   TOTALLY SPOT ON.  So much is lost in translation.  God never asked me to do anything, I didn't get any memo. Did anyone get a memo from God telling them what they had to do?
   
   "No point in dying for a God you've been told about - you then die for all the wrong reasons.  Die for the God inside yourself and I can respect you for it."  (Quote from Jewels. Must add that to my list.)

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You are brilliant

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   Andrew0208posted 15 years ago

   It's really funny when I hear people say there's no God or He doesn't exist. Why? A child or an adult telling people he never had any parents, mother or father

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Its the way the world is made.

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   Dear Mohit,
   
   If God said to you, Mohit, I want you to chose between Me (God) and Sandra (unenlightened human)...
   
   Given everything you know about God and his will, who would you choose?

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      Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sandra,
      Since Evolution produced man, who would evolution select through Mohit? You or God?

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Who did Jesus die for?

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            Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            The whole world

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               sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Am I part of the world?

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                  Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  What is the world?

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                     sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     rotflmao!!!!!
                     
                     Which definition do you want?
                     
                     http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/world
                     
                     there is too many. 

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                        Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        That depends on which one you are a part of.

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                           sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Which one was Jesus part of?

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                              Ben Bushposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Jesus came to the same world He died for.

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Excellent point.
            I have left everything my family incuding to become poet and spread the message of the light.In one way I am your servant. or gods servant-same thing.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Dear Sandra
      He never will.We are actually one.When and if I choose you I am choosing myself and God-One.You are a Goddess yet to be awakened   also believe since you are a seeker you will see the light there has to be a reason you were allowed to see the eagle-I think its a preperation by the cosmos.

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         True, God would never ask you to do that.  Maybe you are a little wiser than I gave you credit for.  You are so much sweeter when you are making sense.  And I am amazed that you had enough courage to answer the question and yip.
         
         Chosing me is the same as chosing yourself and the same as chosing Jesus, or God. 
         
         Good Job! 
         
         Maybe others will take note, that Jesus die for people not for God, and it was for the love of Gods people that Jesus also loved, and as a human who loves like Jesus, a human should also chose people. 
         
         Thanks Mohit. 

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            mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            My pleasure Sandra,do understand that I love you wether I agree with you on certain things or not.Here we agree and I am happy

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Nothing can serve save it be served by serving.
               Nothing can be served except it serves servin. Mikhael Naimy-The Book Of Mirdad

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            dingdongposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly, if GOD exists

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               mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               God exists and is just toooooooooooooooooo beautiful

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   quicksandposted 15 years ago

   Hi Mohit!
   
   It some cases, people are vexed by the injustices that are occurring all around without any form of divine intervention. 
   
   They feel if GOD did exist, he should come to the rescue and intervene and create a happy ending. "He does not do that. So let us all deny his existence. That should teach him a lesson."
   
   To us mortals, the fact that GOD does take a long time to "show up" is not acceptable. Although the awareness of the existence of a GOD is engraved into the sub consciousness of all mortals, those who want quick results and solutions to problems react this way.
   
   Personally, only now I am reaping the benefits of an "injustice" that occurred to me 12 years ago. Thank GOD for that!
   
   Have a nice day!

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      What is called a blessing in disguise.God has the ultimate sense of humour .
      Have a nice day too.

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      mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      What is called a blessing in disguise.God has the ultimate sense of humour .
      Have a nice day too.

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