Ways to Atheist attack Believers.

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   sandra rinckposted 15 years ago

   Say something in the name of God... an atheist comes and says, there is no God.
   
   A believers says, May God bless you... an atheist says, "was that a threat."
   
   A believer says, I believe that God is Love... an atheist says, " there is no God but what makes you think I cannot love?"
   
   A believers says, I don't need proof to believe in God I have faith.  An atheist says, that just proves your God doesn't exist.
   
   A believers says, but faith is based on the principal of believing in the unseen God which is Love that you cannot see.  The atheist says, I only believe in what I can see, I need proof and facts.
   
   A believer says, but love is a fact, it's in my heart, I am not perfect but I want to be a better person like Jesus.  An atheist says.  I am perfect, I don't need God, I do not believe in what I cannot see, there is no God in your heart, there is no Jesus and your full of hate.
   
   A believer says, why do you hate me?  An atheist says, because you believe in God.
   
   A believer says, but God is love.  An atheist says, I cannot see any love in you.
   
   A believer says, I know, because you don't believe in things you cannot see.

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      Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Not quite sure what you are trying to say there, Sandra - I have friends and family who are atheists, and they do not think that they are perfect nor do they hate anybody!

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Me too, but it seems like some atheist are giving other atheist a bad rep.

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      THE SOUR MANposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      This atheist says : Why talk so much about love , when everybody knows that religions are mostly settled by the sword and maintained only by hypocrisy .
      
      More people where killed in the name of god than for any other reason .
      So please don't give me the "love" talk , try to read something else than religious books and open your eyes .

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         sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Is that what "everybody" knows or just what you believe everyone knows?

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         Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         More killing in the name of God? What about the twentieth century, or does mass spread, world wide abortion on demand not count.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            And that justifies killing in the name of god somehow? I never really understood that. Perhaps you could explain it for me. In your own words please. No cut and paste. Sorry.

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               Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               What does that have to do with monkies giving birth to humans?

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  OK - cut and paste.

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                     Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     I suppose that stemcell reaserch is more humane.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        No seriously - the cut and paste made a lot more sense. Go with it.

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                           Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Embriotic stem cells please, I would much rather the babies were tortured before they are aborted.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Never heard that one. Embriotic? Lost me. Seriously - stick with the cut and paste - it made a lot more sense.

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                                 Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 I cant, I just found out that I am not a proper Christian.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    Ah - good for you. We all knew that. Don't feel bad. No one is.

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                                       Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       Bieg Schmile! Bieg schmile!

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                                          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          Lost me again I'm afraid. You are a fan of the Christian Nationalist party? Or you just hate Germans? I had dinner with two Germans and we discussed the rise of evangelical christianism recently.
                                          
                                          It scares us all.

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                                             Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                             If there is a rise of evangelical christianism recently it's because of people like you Mark.
                                             
                                             What you are doing with your hate is backfiring on you.

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                                             Onusonusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                             Not at all, I'm sure that you are much more apt for the Marxist version of antisemetism though.

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                  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  

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   Raven Kingposted 15 years ago

   Poor, poor atheist. There is a lot more that can't be seen but that it exists. There is still a lot to be discovered.

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   David Bowmanposted 15 years ago

   Atheists sometimes get a really bad rap. To my knowledge I am the only one in my family who is an atheist; I love everyone in my family. Almost every one of my friends is a believer; I love every one of them. I don't despise anyone who is a believer, I just think they are mistaken, thats all. Christians, Muslims, etc., believe in one god and dismiss all of the thousands of others; I just believe in one less god than they do. I don't think I'm better or smarter because I'm an atheist; I'm far from perfect.
   
   You are correct, there is a lot more yet to be discovered that I'm sure we don't yet have the ability to detect with current methods. We atheists just don't like to assume the existence of things without definitive evidence. We think that's being cautious and reasonable.

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      Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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   DennisBarkerposted 15 years ago

   Killing in the name of god is often confused with killing in the name of territory or natural resources. Its basically the same thing when people don't have food to feed their families or are frightened that what they have may be taken away for some reason.
   
   The same logic applies when a once friendly dictator suddenly becomes public enemy number one and the country happens to have a large supply of natural resources. Strangely enough god is  usually on the side of the winner.At least history is written by the winner and from the winners perspective victory is often in the name of one got or another.
   
   Atheists go to war in the name of natural resources and territory without asking for a blessing but the winner still writes the history.

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      THE SOUR MANposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I understand your point , but it is not important that war is started because of religion itself or that religion is being used as a lever for the masses . The results are the same . And let's not forget about the "domestic" wars and the oppression often caused by religion , many of the imposed rules are against human nature , atheists don't impose rules on anyone for as far as I know . They care about freedom , where instead religions have generally tendencies to impose their views to as much people as possible .

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         Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Atheists don't impose rules on anyone?
         
         You got to be joking sour man.  No Marxists atheist don't impose rules on anyone, they just eliminate them.

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   LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

   This is obviously a response to Mark's post, but considerably lamer - he was quoting from an actual site, you are just making it up....

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, of course, the copy and paste method is far more pleasing and functional.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   Seems a little one-sided to me. All that "hate" from the atheist and all that "love" from the believer. Take god out of the equation and maybe we have one less reason to fight?
   
   I (speaking as the resident atheist) do not hate anyone. I may despise their religiosity - which I do, but I hate the idea of using an invisible, magical super being to incite violence and wars - as has been done many times.
   
   The whole "nationalism" thing is bad enough - I know I was sucked into that one - but when you claim to be doing it on behalf of the super being.....
   
   I have to ask just how stupid people can be?
   
   Pretty bloody stupid apparently.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You took God out of the equation and you are still fighting.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah - to get god out of the equation.   Just can't take any more of this "love".........
         
         Sorry - maybe once it is gone we can reason with each other instead?

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            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You mean once the love is gone?

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               This is love?

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                  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  You don't make sense.  You just said, you can't take any more of this "love".  Then you said once it is gone we can reason with each other instead.
                  
                  So your saying that if we get rid of love, then we can reason with each other with what?

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry - forgot my sarcasm smilie.

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            lubi570posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Why do you fear God? and why do you contradict yourself?
            If you don't believe in any God, then how can you be against something that does not exist, in your own words?
            You don't like what God stands for, Love,Careing,a creator?
            Sounds like you don't exist in the real world.
            Man just wont give his creator any credit because man wants to do all the things that are not condoned by Gods law.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Fear? No not one whit.
               
               Love? Caring? What are you talking about? Is this what this is?
               
               Man won't give you any credit because you are wrong. You are just refusing to accept the truth of the FSM because your god is a feeble weak pathetic hypocrite of a god who says "love" and means something else.
               
               Next time you eat some macaroni and cheese, close your eyes, open your heart and the truth will manifest itself - if you are worthy enough. Maybe. And have drunk enough wine. And already believe. Possibly. If you behave yourself. And do as I say.
               
               Ramen

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   Can't love exist without God?

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, so why would someone hate people for believing that God is love?

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         lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Do you actually know someone who feels that way or are you making assumptions about how Atheists, in general, feel/think?
         
         Personally speaking (as an Atheist) neither myself, nor any Atheist that I know, thinks feels or speaks the way you have described in this or your original post.

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   Why does God=love? Can their be love without God?
   
   Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they can't love and be loved. It isn't that atheists don't believe in God because they cannot see him, they just don't believe.

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I thought I already answered that and said yes.  So why hate someone for believing that God is love?
      
      So what does love equal?

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      and I said that some atheist are giving other atheist a bad rep.  This is the same for some believers giving other believers a bad rep.

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   First of all, it is not a hatred of the person that atheists feel. It is just not believing in their belief. Anyone who has "hatred" for another because of their beliefs does not have love, from God or any other source. But because there can be love without God, God does not equal love, love equals an emotion and experience that anyone can feel and have regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack of).

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      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      So you hate that you don't believe what others believe? I agree, anyone who has hatred for others because of their beliefs does not have love from God or any other source.
      
      And I agree with what you said about love, so why get upset about me equating it to God, the Unseen? 
      
      It shouldn't bother you.

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         Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I don't hate that I don't believe what others do. What I said was atheists don't believe what believers do... no hate in that statement, no hate from atheists. And I never said I was an atheist, did I?
         
         It doesn't bother me that for you, you believe love in your life is from God. That's fine. What does bother me is that you are insinuating that atheists don't have love in their life because they don't believe in God, when that simply is not true. Atheists believe in love, which is an emotion and an experience, obviously something that cannot be seen.

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            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I said some Colebabie.  Some atheist...

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You are getting really good at twisting what others say. Must be a good church you joined.
         
         Why do you hate us so much? Do you think that will make us believe the stuff you do?

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            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            But I don't hate you but you insist that I do or we do or something like that. 
            
            Nothing is going to make you believe what you don't believe.  I can't deny that.  But insisting that anyone who believes that God is Love and keeps offering love only to be treated with anything but love doesn't make me want to jump on the atheist band wagon either.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               So - what is your definition of love? Was this thread started in the spirit of love and understanding? Or was it started in the spirit of something else?
               
               Is this how you show love?

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                  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I started it in the Spirit of understanding what gets repeated by atheist to believers who believe that God is love.
                  
                  You could go back and pick out any sentence and find it used several times already.
                  
                  So I asked you first about your definition of love, obviously yours is the only one you know. But according to your post, you would rather have a world without love.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Do without your kind of love and understanding? Yes please. Can we do without that please? That is all I ask.

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                        sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        So you don't want unconditional love?

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                           THE SOUR MANposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Anything with the word unconditional before it is fishy and dangerous . Don't you guys read any history books ?

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Is that what this is? In which case - no thanks.

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      countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you. My take is all those who believe in God don't always love everybody else and at the same time all those who don't believe in God don't necessarily hate everybody else either. Love exists in its multiple forms(i.e., love towards family, friends, animals, plants, environment/nature, country and so on) irrespective of whether we believe in God or not.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Few Sandra, very few atheists hate believers. I have never met an atheist who hates believers. So your original post is a very wide generalization and not really necessary. By writing your original post you are putting all atheists into that category, and now you're backing out of it and narrowing who it applies to... which is actually quite a small number of people.

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What exactly did I say that got you interested in responding?  Was it the whole entire op or was it just one part of the op that you focused in on?

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Nothing in your original post have a ever heard from an atheist. I'm just being honest. I was interested in responding because of this.
    
    Say something in the name of God... an atheist comes and says, there is no God.
        I've never heard someone say "God Bless You" when someone sneezes and the atheist in the room say "There is no God".
    
    A believers says, May God bless you... an atheist says, "was that a threat."
        Again, I've never heard this. And if someone said it, it probably was a joke.
    
    A believer says, I believe that God is Love... an atheist says, " there is no God but what makes you think I cannot love?"
         This I have never heard, but I suppose is a rightful question. If an atheist said "I don't believe in God, but I love, so I don't think the origin of love is God." That would be a good statement.
    
    A believers says, I don't need proof to believe in God I have faith.  An atheist says, that just proves your God doesn't exist.
         Atheists believe in things that don't have "proof."
    
    A believers says, but faith is based on the principal of believing in the unseen God which is Love that you cannot see.  The atheist says, I only believe in what I can see, I need proof and facts.
        Read above. The thought that atheists don't believe in God because He is unseen, is wrong.
    
    A believer says, but love is a fact, it's in my heart, I am not perfect but I want to be a better person like Jesus.  An atheist says.  I am perfect, I don't need God, I do not believe in what I cannot see, there is no God in your heart, there is no Jesus and your full of hate.
          Atheists don't think they are perfect. It isn't that they think "they don't need God" they simply just don't believe. Telling someone they are full of hate is a spiteful person, not an atheist.
    
    A believer says, why do you hate me?  An atheist says, because you believe in God.
         See above.
    
    A believer says, but God is love.  An atheist says, I cannot see any love in you.
         That just doesn't make any sense. No one would deny the presence of love in someone unless they made a statement full of hate.
    
    A believer says, I know, because you don't believe in things you cannot see.
        Again, has nothing to do with atheism.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Mark wants to do away with "your kind of love and understanding" because it is not "love and understanding" at all. You don't understand atheism and rather than trying to understand it, you would rather just defend your beliefs with what you think atheists are.

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       and what exactly is my kind of love and understanding?
       
       I can't say you have never heard an atheist say these things before but it happens in front of your eyes but you don't want to see it.
       
       I have heard all of the above so many times and because they do not believe in God, I know that they aren't directing their hate towards God, they are directing it towards a person individually.
       
       So to say that it is not the person that they hate is just a decoy for their true feelings.
       
       You also do not want unconditional love?

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    AEvansposted 15 years ago

    Can't everyone just get along? Love one another.

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       Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I do AE. ♥ Unless you're someone who makes assumptions and doesn't know what they're talking about... then I just get annoyed. Doesn't mean I have less love though.

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          sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          It just means that when someone believes in God they are annoying, unethical, immoral, wrong, stupid, ignorant, unfair, haters, war mongers, irrational, uneducated, morons, blind, stupid, and lame.
          
          Oh and also they are, hypocrites, don't know what love is, don't know how to love, arrogant, oppressive, suppressive, vain, unnatural, illogical, not compassionate, self righteous, zealous, pious, sword bearing, witch burning, hate spreaders...
          
          did I miss something?

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             LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Yes. You missed showing us where any aethist or agnostic has said these things on hubpages.

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                sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                oh okay if that is what you want then I will spend my time finding and retrieving them just for you.

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                   LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Good, otherwise rather than love it looks more like an attack on anyone who isn't in your brand of religion.

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                      sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      really that felt like an attack on me for not following your band.

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                         LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I don't have a band, I'm not that musical.
                         
                         All I can see in the starting of this thread is anger.

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                            sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            So now you are saying that I am a hater?
                            
                            Sorry, I mean, you are saying that I posted this because I was angry or to make people angry?

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                               LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               No. I do think you overdo "hate" and "hater", though. Hate for me is a very serious thing.
                               
                               As far as I can see, you wanted to divide the world into Good People (Christians, or your subset of them) and Bad People (atheists), and portray them as at the Good People's throats.

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                                  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                  All I can say is, May God bless you.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Well I don't know who you hang out with that would say that stuff. I have family members, and friends who do not believe in God and they are all caring loving people who do not bash believers like in the statements that you made. How can someone hate someone they don't even know? Atheists know that logic, so I find it hard to believe that someone would HATE a person based on their belief. Have you personally been attacked? Or just the part of you that has to do with your belief in God? I'm sure it is the latter. If it is the first, it has nothing to do with them being atheist, just an asshole.
    
    And I have love in my life. I would never want unconditional love, that is love regardless of one's actions, and I think that you should love based on one's actions. Or you're just loving everyone even if they're bad people. Thanks.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Did I say any of that? No. And I never would. Because it isn't what I believe. So that is YOU assuming things about ME. What I said is that people who don't know what they're talking about (but make statements like they do) annoy me. You don't know anything about atheism, and you don't know anything about me. So you just proved my point.

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       But you don't know about me and my personal belief but you are assuming you do based on what you think you know about my personal belief based on what you understand.
       
       So in the same instance I could say that people who don't know what they are talking about annoy me.  Then again, you would probably take this as not being a loving person because you would feel this as a personal attack.
       
       You are not as fair as you believe you are. But thanks for calling me annoying.  I am sure this wasn't directed to God or anyone else on this thread.
       
       Unless you meant believers, a group of people which you classify into one general group.  Which you yourself said was unfair yet you are doing right now.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    I didn't make any generalizations about you. I didn't make any assumptions about your beliefs either.  I said that you don't fully understand atheism. That is all I said in regards to you and your beliefs.
    
    I think you are a loving person. You are defending what you believe which shows passion. But you are criticizing all atheists for things they do not do, that shows lack of understanding.
    
    Yes, I do find your lack of understanding annoying. I didn't mean to categorize believers into one category, because certainly they are not. I meant in the regards to those who believe in God, atheists do not hate. The categorizing was not in a negative or generalizing way, it was in a grouping way. "Believers" meaning those who believe in God, a group of people that I didn't say anything negative about. There is a difference between categorizing based on facts (belief in God), and generalizing based on thought (all atheists hate believers).

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       sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Say something in the name of God... an atheist comes and says, there is no God.
       
       A believers says, May God bless you... an atheist says, "was that a threat."
       
       A believer says, I believe that God is Love... an atheist says, " there is no God but what makes you think I cannot love?"
       
       A believers says, I don't need proof to believe in God I have faith. An atheist says, that just proves your God doesn't exist.
       
       A believers says, but faith is based on the principal of believing in the unseen God which is Love that you cannot see.  The atheist says, I only believe in what I can see, I need proof and facts.
       
       A believer says, but love is a fact, it's in my heart, I am not perfect but I want to be a better person like Jesus. An atheist says.  I am perfect, I don't need God, I do not believe in what I cannot see, there is no God in your heart, there is no Jesus and your full of hate.
       
       A believer says, why do you hate me?  An atheist says, because you believe in God.
       
       A believer says, but God is love. An atheist says, I cannot see any love in you.
       
       A believer says, I know, because you don't believe in things you cannot see.
       
       I thought I would clear up my position on an atheist.  Not all atheist. Not, Atheist. 
       
       I guess what you didn't read the post where I said that I originally thought that atheist was anti theism which is the non belief in dogmas and doctrines etc..
       
       I hadn't anything against that position, I actually called myself a spiritual atheist for a while because I don't particularly care for the dogmas and doctrines but some atheist are taking it to assume that because they are anti theism, the general assumption of atheism isn't against religious anymore and the freedom of people to chose what they feel is best for themselves.
       
       It's changed to the belief that anyone who does believe in God, no matter what the belief is, if it includes the word God, then it is illogical and annoying. And that the idea of God should be stricken from the record of thought all together.

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          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry, I don't understand. What has "changed"? What is "It's"? Atheism?

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             sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             typo, I mean Its.
             
             Yes atheism. It changed from the idea of freeing people from religious (oppressive bonds).. things like smiting themselves with whips, or having to be married when they don't want to be, or having to attend a certain church, dress a certain way, say only certain things etc...
             
             to the idea of getting rid of all religions, taking the word God out of history, making it virtually impossible for someone to say God, without persecution impossible.
             
             It goes as far as to allow perfectly innocent people to be "bullied" for their attire which some feel very comfortable with, for praying at a dinner table in a restaurant.
             
             To even allowing students in public schools studying Shakespeare to be openly flippant about the idea of God being part of Shakespeare's work.
             
             And just like the history books, what comes next seems inevitable.  And so while I do know that some religions will hold there followers as "prisoners" almost, that in this day and age, not all people who believe in God are being oppressed and feel quite free this way. 
             
             For them to speak up about how they feel... if it is said with in the name of God... well then it is like a free for all.
             
             Like Mrs. California. I don't care if she believes that gay marriage shouldn't be legal, that is what she believes but the amount of controversy over her personal feelings was crazy.
             
             Some people hate her because she feels that way about marriage, but it wasn't the gay community that hated her.  That is strange.

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                LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I think you are over-using "hate".
                
                I certainly don't hate her. I think she's a narrow-minded bimbo, though.

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                   sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Well there is one I missed.  narrow minded bimbo.  that's great!  are you atheist or agnostic?  So I can add it to my collection of quotes.

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                      Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      The reason why she wasn't "hated" by some members of the gay community is honestly because they're used to having people against them, and because they have fought oppression they know that it is important to let people have their own thoughts.
                      
                      I don't hate her either. I am annoyed and frustrated by her lack of understanding though. But she will believe what she wants, and she should be able to.

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                      LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I don't think she's a narrow minded bimbo because she is religious, though, so it might not do much for your collection.
                      
                      Many religious people of my acquaintance are among the most broad-minded I know.

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    countrywomenposted 15 years ago

    Well Colebabie/Sandra can we step back and restate that all believers (no matter what religion/God) aren't narrow minded(or hate atheists) and at the same time all atheists also aren't having any ill feelings against believers. There are good, average and bad  traits in individuals irrespective of what there personal beliefs are. We only know so little about ourselves hence to speak for somebody else can be fraught with inconsistencies/distortions. I hope we can carry on the debate in a spirit of understanding(ourselves/others better) and if at all we have to disagree then we can do so agreeably. Peace my friends.

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       Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed countrywomen, thank you.

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          countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You are welcome.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Ok I think you were referring to atheism. In that case, saying that atheism has changed to believing that anything having to do with God is illogical and annoying, isn't true. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities. How a certain atheist defends their stance is up to them. You may have just had bad experiences. The atheists I know just don't acknowledge God at all. Bashing other religions isn't a part of that.

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       countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You know I have been more hurt by some believers who think my background(Hindus) are Satan/Devil(idol)worshipers and have written even hubs stating that except for there brand of religion all other followers are "robber/thieves"(which includes my family members). And that my wonderful grandfather's soul would be eaten by worms. I can never forget how some believers in a certain brand of religion have treated me compared to atheists who have never said anything against my sensibilities. But still I don't want to generalize that all believers are equally myopic as those few believers.

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       Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Not so around here Colebabie.  And Mark will tell you that himself with his posts if you stick around long enough.  He is clearly the main one that is giving atheists a bad rep around here.  And just about everything that Sandra has quoted from atheists, either in her first post or above has been posted by Mark.

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          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Everything that Mark has said has been in response to something else. Defending yourself is one thing. Putting yourself out there in the spirit of hate is another.

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             Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             In this thread only Colebabie.  As long as I have been coming here I have seen Mark attack just about every Christian thread.  He is usually the first to reply with his hate in hopes that they will go away.

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    Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

    Sandra if she wants to find them all she has to do is look back through Mark's Hubtivity on his profile.  But that would be what Mark wants.  Controversy is cash isn't it Mark.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't consider arguing against your irrational anti-abortion stances to be "controversy" Make Money. And if you think I am making cash out of it -

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          Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          So it is because you hate Christians Mark?

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Not in the slightest. Your irrational attacks on people who do not conform to your ideals? OK. I hate that you think gays are ill and I hate that you think abortion should be illegal. And I hate the wars you have started.  That OK?

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                Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I haven't started any wars Mark.  But the way you act around here it seems like that may be your objective.  I am going to ask you again Mark, are you a Communist or Marxist?

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    Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

    Mark you didn't answer my question, are you a Communist or a Marxist?

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    Eng.Mposted 15 years ago

    all what I want to say is love comes from God
    
    but an atheist can love and be loved
    
    people become religious because of different reasons
    
    and so atheists ....
    
    some people become atheists because they think they are perfect and they need no God ( like the guy in Sandra story)
    
    they ignore/don nu / forgot they can't live without him
    may be they need to think more deeply , and so do we
    
    
    I don't think Sandra hate athiests or wanna divide the world
    
    but she may stop standing against some of them when these stop making fun of her beliefs ..
    
    best regards

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    mellanposted 15 years ago

    I am an atheist. I do not believe in god, but that does not mean I hate a single person who does. I have had more people turn away from me solely for the fact that I don't believe in god than you might believe and yet I have never turned from a person solely because they believe in god. Who hates who. I have found that many religious people often take non-belief as a personal attack on themselves, and suddenly I become an amoral person, when they have known my character for years and liked me just fine. However, I know many more "believers" who accept me just as I am because they can see that I accept them just as they are. The initial post is so one-sided as to be dismissable, one cannot lump an entire group of people in such a way and have it be even near the truth.

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