More about Tea Party racism
"If you are saying not allowing same sex marriage is discrimination, then how can you say incest and multiple spouse marriages isn't the same?"
As long as all the participants are informed, consenting, competent adults, it is the same. If some guy can convince three informed, consenting, competent adult women that they should form a polygamous family with him, I want him to lead the marketing department of my company.
Likewise, if a brother and a sister want to get it on, and they're both informed, consenting, competent adults, well, I still think it's icky*, but it's not me that's getting it on with my sister.
The problem with polygamy and incest is that in practice, it's often a case on adults preying on minors, tricking them, intimidating them, or outright forcing them into the relationship.
I think both liberals and conservatives will agree that it's bad to prey on minors, or defraud people, or intimidate people, or take advantage of someone who is not competent.
But this is a canard, really. I don't think you'll find many conservatives lining up in support of anything other than heterosexual monogamous marriage. But it's fun to say to liberals, "Ha-ha, you don't really believe in liberty, because if you did, you'd want to legalize polygamy and incest! Gotcha there, hur-hur-hur."
*Actually, it's not just icky; close genetic relations have a significantly higher chance of having offspring with birth defects. Look at the high rates of hemophilia (and other things) in the royal houses of Europe, for example. I think maybe there's an interest beyond individual liberty when dealing with incest.
You're absolutely right, Evan. Heck, the founders (whom the conservative movement is almost trying to deify--except for Jefferson, that atheistic freak
) were considered dangerous left-wing radicals back in the 1770s/80s.
Evan, I actually agree with something you wrote!
People are tolerant to a point and they acted, voting Obama in on his message of change. Unfortunately they didn't realize the change he was selling was going to take a long time to enact and that fixing the problems facing the US was going to take longer than a few months into the new administration, which is about when they started freaking out.
There, fixed it for you.
@ lovemychris - I agree with you here 100% here, which is rare
But you are right. I voted libertarian in the last election instead of for McCain. Bush was the anti-Blade (move reference) of true conservatives, all of the weaknesses and none of the strengths.
I got yelled at by many of my friends for not voting for McCain just because he was "better for us" than Obama. Conservatives LOST that election because most politicians who have called themselves by that name for the past 10 years or so have been nothing more than war-mongering, free-spending, pro-illigal immigrating, socially constricted Democrats.
"Oh, and I am pretty sure all of your great democrats voed for that war."
Not all of them did. There were a very few who were brave enough to take a stand for rationality in the face of the climate of fear and anger that 9/11 had created and the administration was doing its best to exploit.
David Bonior (D, Michigan) was one. His district was gerrymandered out of existence by the following election. I don't know if there's a relationship there.
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