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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
Suppose you have entered a website which says it pays you money. You believe them and create an account. Gradually, you sense that you were told lies. There is no money on that website, but it's a hobbyist venue. After you know the truth, will you quit that website?

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/103182#post2196393
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously? Having fun trolling? I earn $500 a month here on average. From this account (plus more from other accounts).
  
  And no, I'm not an "in member". I've had my differences with the site, and even quit for six months at one stage.
  
  You can make money and it's easier than doing it on your own website (unless you have the skills). Do you have your own website?
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As you've only started forum comments and not actually written any hubs (therefore invested no time whatsoever) You wouldn't really be quitting as you haven't really started. You appear to have made up your mind regarding this site, so perhaps, it's better that you spend your time where you feel you may find what it is you're looking for.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you've decided you can't make money, of course you would quit - why on earth would you stay?
  
  However, I think it's your expectations rather than the promises which are at fault.
  
  It doesn't take much searching in the forums here, to find people explaining you can expect to earn around $2 to $5 per thousand views. You'll also find multiple threads explaining that it can take months for a Hub to start earning well, and that it will take you several months to earn your first $100 (though it can snowball after that). You'll also find multiple threads where members share general information about their earnings. And as you found out, it's very easy to get some fairly specific detail about the "successful" Hubbers.
  
  So if you're too lazy to do any research to find out how much money you can make on the site, and assume "making money" means "making instant money", then that's your fault not HubPages'. This site is more open about what you can earn than most others I've tried.
  
  Bear in mind that Hubs go on earning for a long time. One of my best performing Hubs earned mere pennies for a long time, but over four years, those pennies have added up to nearly $400 for just one Hub. HubPages is a long term investment, not a get rich quick scheme.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I work for Wipro, a software development company, and currently staying in Montreal, Quebec. I have a job which pays me well. I am not here to become a overnight millionaire.
  
  But I do expect honesty and integrity. It's quite offensive to publicly display in the frontpage that someone earns $1,500 per month by writing here, or how someone has bought a car and has taken family vacations with their pay off here, without giving proper evidence.
  
  If hub pages is a website for hobby, then that's good. But if it says that people can earn from this venue, then they must be prepared to back that up with solid information that everyone can agree to believe. Otherwise, it's a wastage of time.
  
  If you are too lazy to figure out how much research one did before posting here, then good luck with that. Snobbism without clever discernment is just too embarrassing. Shows up.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There no certainty that if I write a couple of hubs and wait for a few months, then I would have my own comparative data.
  
  If one follows this link - http://hubpages.com/success/ , then it becomes very clear that even for those who earn like average 1500 dollars per month, it might have taken years to reach the stage when they started getting their first pennies through this program.
  
  It might be as well that anyone who just throws himself into this website without mature deliberation, will repent later for the loss of time and energy of years.
  
  There are some cheerleaders here who are professional in persuading new people. You have no evidence to back up your claims. Try better.
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  lorlie6posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm damned amazed that you would go on such a tirade with absolutely no content.
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  Sophia Angeliqueposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You joined 7 days ago... Um. It takes quite a bit longer than that. You have a lot to learn. A helluve lot, in fact. No, you're not going to make money after 7 days. You may after 7 months if you work incredibly hard, and it depends on what you write about and how good you are at garnering traffic.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
If you say something doesn't mean it's true. Troll? Yes, people who ask questions must be labelled and insulted. Frankly speaking, there is no evidence that you aren't a troll yourself.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well I'll let the other members of Hubpages answer that one.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
... didn't think, but was aggressive and went to pick a fight with a stranger. Good life.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well based on your comments on that other thread, plus your profile, certainly sounds like you're here to pick a fight.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "Seriously? Having fun trolling?" For my part, I was asking clarifications over certain issues, politely.
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Ddraigcochposted 12 years ago
Many people have proved their income with screen shots. I for one am happy with the increase in earnings as I learn more about the business of SEO and IM.
The whole point of this work is that you are your own boss and if you are unhappy or not willing to keep betting your time against future earnings, I would leave. There is little point in being unhappy.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The point is whether this site works or not. The point is whether you can earn money here or not.
  
  Did you mention screenshots? It's amusing because it reminded me how we used to fool our teachers by taking screen-shots of a computer which has hanged, and then set that as a desktop background on the computer that they would use. Well, those were the college days.
  
  Screen-shots are no evidence, to put it politely.
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/103182#post2196393
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  tussinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Screenshots cannot be faked.
  
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are plenty of people who've made money on Hubpages and still do.
  
  If you're not willing to believe that, it's your problem, not ours.
  
  Coming into the forums of a site and making statements which appear to be claiming the opposite is trolling. A more effective question may have been "I'm not sure I believe that people make money here after my own experiences. What proof is there that anyone earns money here?"
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
Belief is a very difficult subject. If you know someone personally, you can believe them. To expect someone to believe what some people are saying over the internet, is entirely a different matter, and a malicious advice in a sense.

Your definition of trolling is funny. It says speaking the truth equals to trolling.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How can we be sure you work for a software company in Montreal? How do we know that is your photograph in your avatar?
  
  Perhaps you are stealing someone's identity. Perhaps you are really an 18-year-old burger flipper in MacDonalds, with nothing more to look for in life because you failed totally at school.
  
  "Belief is a very difficult subject. If you know someone personally, you can believe them. To expect someone to believe what some people are saying over the internet, is entirely a different matter"
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It might be that you're the floor-sweeper in a grocery. Can't be sure. It might be you were divorced because you had extra-marital affair with someone. It might be you had someone close to you who was an 18-year-old burger flipper in MacDonalds, with nothing more to look for in life because he failed totally at school. That might have been your father, or your kid. And now, you see that pattern everywhere.
  
  Many things are possible. Without evidence, they are junk.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What has a person's marital status got to do with the career they pursue and whether they earn money or otherwise here or elsewhere on the Internet????
  
  Anyway, I'm bored with this conversation.
  
  Signing off this thread....
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
http://hubpages.com/success/

I had no idea that what I read in the front page was partial. Take this frontpage entry for example, it reads -

"Kathryn Vercillo
earns $1,500 a month writing on things that truly interest her"

Reading that one may assume that Kathryn has been getting $1,500 every month since she joined this website. Those who read more carefully, they may reach the conclusion that she gets around 1500 dollars each month, and not exactly 1500. Now go to the link that I gave above. There it reads quite different-

"Average passive monthly earnings: $1,500 as of 10/12/2011"

The word 'average' is missing in the frontpage entry, and those who join this website read that entry, and not the link that you read above, and that word 'average' makes a huge difference. She joined this website 5 years ago. It might be as well that she started earning money after two years, more maybe, since the date that she joined this website. We don't get that reality while we read about those featured members, in the frontpage.

And there is still no certainty that what I read through that link is true or not, the reason that I created this thread. There is no evidence.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well one thing about online earning? The US summer months have the lowest traffic and earnings. The Christmas leadup months have the highest. So she may have earned $3500 at Christmas, $800 in the summer.
  
  But as you said, there's no proof. So if you don't believe any evidence, then there's no point you staying and picking fights is there? Is there any evidence that WOULD change your mind?
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manhanposted 12 years ago
Your point is Hubpges works or not? I am not going to say that I earn good enough on Hubpages. I have just 13 hubs in 4 years. Had I posted 2000+ hubs in 4 years I would have earned minimum $1,000 or more a month.

Yes Hubpages works fine and the featured success stories are also true. If you don't believe then there is no point to stay here and contribute.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Belief is a very difficult subject. If you know someone personally, you can believe them. To expect someone to believe what some people are saying over the internet, is entirely a different matter, and a malicious advice in a sense.
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WryLiltposted 12 years ago
What's with the nitpicking? There are thousands of businesses who provide general "success stories" without giving details.

We've said it works. NO ONE said it was easy. The forums and help hubs are full of these facts, if you keep at writing hubs:

1. It takes 6-9 months to earn your first payout. It then generally halves till you get paid each month.
2. To get traffic, you need to write in non-saturated, high traffic (something you can find on the free Google keyword tool) topics.
3. Staff have said a hub reaches its maximum potential traffic at about 4 years of age. However on average you'll start seeing decent traffic 6-9 months after writing, UNLESS it goes viral or you are extremely lucky or great at keyword research.

It's passive income. But passive income is never easy.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
Many people doing the same practice, doesn't justify it. If you have set up a business, and if you are publicly displaying "success stories", then one can assume that you must be able to demonstrate that it's true. If you can not, then you are manipulating people.

There is no certainty that it takes 6-9 months to earn your first payout, and that it then generally halves till you get paid each month.

If it is true that in oder to make money here, one have to solely write on the subjects that are suggested by 'Google keyword tool', then one can find that practice quite disturbing. That information wasn't in the front page. Bad advice. It might be as well that one may spend a year in this site, giving his full effort, and earn only $48, or something like that. Can't be sure.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not everyone will earn in the same time frame. That's like taking a new job and demanding to know how long it will take to get a promotion!
  
  I said you can find it on the Google keyword tool. Personally, I don't keyword research. I'd much rather write on subjects that interest me. And I'm closing in on 2 million views on this account doing it.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
Promotions are never certain. And in this case, there is no certainty that the new job you are talking about, will even pay anything.

2 million views? Congratulations! Carry on the project and keep people informed. As I said earlier, you can say anything. Without evidence, they are junk.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well the 1 million view accolade on my profile says something.
  
  And really? This argument is getting tired. I earn money. Anyone can online, whether from Hubpages or their own websites (yeah, I have those too.) It's up to you whether you think it's worth trying or not, based on the variables you've been presented with.
  
  Off to bed. Late here in Australia.
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  Ddraigcochposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe if you wrote more articles Phenoms, instead of telling everyone anything they say is junk, you may see for yourself.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think one needs to invest years into this website before she (he) sees any income. Phenoms is wise that he thought about this website before joining. I am here because I love poetry and I want to get feedback on my work. That's hobby.
  
  Phenoms might be running after a mirage that he can never catch, if he invests his time here.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
1 million views doesn't mean one million clicks. And it's difficult to believe what an internet accolade is saying.

I am not saying that you can't make a few pennies through this program. But how many hubs is required, and what time-scale does it take, to get those featured earnings (like $1500 per month)? That's the point.

It might be as well that one may spend a year in this site, giving his full effort, and earn only $48, or something like that. Can't be sure.

Sorry to hear you're out of your wit. Go sleep.
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
You suggested this place tells lies and does not pay money. Both of these statements are absolutely untrue.

The rest is just you getting pissy.
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Phenomsposted 12 years ago
If you are telling the truth, then you should be willing to show evidence to back up your claims, and you must not twist facts to coax people to join your website.

Pissy? Yes, people who ask questions that you don't like to hear, must be labelled with something, at least.
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  Ddraigcochposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Phenoms, I suggest you read the TOS of Google adsense and the Ad program here. No one is allowed to show infinite details of what they earn per click etc. Even if they did, you would say it had been modified, so what do you wish to accomplish here?
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It isn't my website, I just make money here. And it is not my job to do your research for you. Or explain stuff like the TOS which prevent me from posting my person earning, but I'll give you a hint. I get a payout each month.
  
  Given that you are willing to call the site dishonest with no evidence at all.... well, double-standard much?
  
  Adsense is Adsense, you either understand it or you don't. All the info is publicly available. So you can figure it out for yourself.
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ITcoachposted 12 years ago
Hello Everyone,
You shared a question that is occurring day to day with every one. I will seriously quit and will inform friend to not visit or make account on that page. It is mostly done due to increase traffic on certain page so that more and more people come over there.

Regards

IT Coach
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My interpretation would be that your hubs are overly specialized and so were probably fairly unsuccessful. The same is not true for everyone.
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WryLiltposted 12 years ago
Well how about this. (I'm assuming you've never written on the internet for money before?)

Make a free blogger site and/or a paid, hosted Wordpress site. Find your own topics, affiliates and figure out how to attract traffic. And see if you can reach payout in 6-9 months.
You'll find it's pretty damn hard.

At least on Hubpages it's free, affilates are set up automatically for the most part, the site is optimised to get the most clicks for you with the easiest layout (no going into the code for anything!), you have hundreds of hubs with FREE info on getting traffic and money, and there are dozens of members in the forums ready to answer any question or even review your hubs for free and offer advice.

I started here and it was a great start in internet writing. It was also a great leaping point into making my own websites that WORKED. It's a lot easier to write a wasted 500 word article that flops than an entire site that does.

I now use Hubpages for articles that I don't have topical sites for, or just general guides. But it's nice to have that money coming in each month even if I don't write a thing. It took a LOT of learning. But it's learning I can now use anywhere - my sites, business promotion, social media.
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Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago
I feel we are wasting our valuable time with this (these) new users. They can either give it a go, write something and see if it works out for them, or endlessly troll the forums asking the same questions yet refusing to accept the answers given. I think they have nothing better to do with their time, that's their problem, not ours.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have the impression Phenoms is a targeted troll, not a new user.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, initially I gave the benefit of the doubt, then got bored with the endless B...
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FreyaKraftposted 12 years ago
I am totally a newcomer. To me, this website looks like a place to exercise my skills. It's a place for hobby. I do not know whether you can earn money here or otherwise. Yes, without proof, it's difficult to believe what you read in a website.

Phenoms seems to be very critical. I think he came here for money, and was later disappointed to find out the truth. Unfortunate, what else I can say. If I were in his place, I would have quit.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've yet to see a person NOT succeed who was willing to write a lot AND learn about how to attract traffic.
  
  I remember when I started... I decided I would do what all the older members recommended. And they were right on track with everything they said - took me 6 months to earn $5, then I made payout 3 months later, and payout again a month later.
  
  But you DO have to treat it like a job, not a hobby, to earn like a job. Although I earn a lot less than I could if I used all the "SEO" crap. I just write for fun mostly.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I see. Nice hearing your experience. But I guess not everyone will get a payout in 9 months, as you did. Perhaps your articles somehow 'cracked' the search engines, and you received the ad-sense clicks. There is no certainty.
  
  I have read through this thread. The way HubPages advertises itself (read the featured stories, they say that you can make 1000 dollars from the month that you join this website), is very different from the reality of how people make money here.
  
  HubPages claims you can make money here instantly, within a very short time frame, with ease and without hard-labor. Perhaps Phenoms was disappointed with that. He felt cheated. And he is right if he did. For me, this website looks good. But then, I am here for feedback and not for money.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry but WHERE does Hubpages say you can make money in a quick or short time frame?
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I saw the pictures of some people when I joined this website. And if I believe HubPages, then they did earn money quickly and with ease.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you click through to their bios on the success story page? Nearly every one of them has a quote about it "takes time" or "passive income is something worth working at".
  
  They don't say anything about it happening overnight.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, that's even more amusing. Because HubPages is clearly misleading if you are right. Take this for example-
  
  stephhicks68
  "former lawyer and WAHM enjoys the flexibility writing on HubPages affords"
  
  Or,
  
  Kathryn Vercillo
  "earns $1,500 a month writing on things that truly interest her"
  
  It sounds Kathryn Vercillo has been earning $1,500 each month, beginning from the day that she joined HubPages. And if someone is enjoying 'the flexibility writing on HubPages affords', then it does seem that writing here is a process of ease.
  
  Am I missing something?
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And nowhere did it say they earned it instantly.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I said earlier - "HubPages claims you can make money here instantly, within a very short time frame".
  
  They are saying that someone just joined their website and started earning $1,500 from that very month. That's earning money within a very short time frame.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Under EACH person's image is a title like "Hubbing since 2007". There is NOWHERE that says it is instant. Most people would assume that if they'd been hubbing since 2007 (or the latest success story, from 2009), it would mean that they had experience on the site and worked up to it.
  
  So I repeat. NOWHERE is there a mention of get rich quick on the front page. Are you referring to adverts OFF the Hubpages site? Some unscrupulous people create "fake" Hubpages image adverts to get referrals if so.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Most people would assume that Kathryn Vercillo has been earning $1,500 from the very first month, if they read that entry. Read it, that's what it says -
  
  "earns $1,500 a month writing on things that truly interest her"
  
  It nowhere says that her earning has varied and that it's an average.
  
  http://hubpages.com/
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I suddenly realised why coffee cups have the warning "Content is hot" on them.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We all must have different levels of reading comprehension then, because when I joined I was fully aware that to make money here it would take a continued and sustained effort to make money.
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Happy Saturday.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Happy Saturday, PDS. And you're plans for today are...
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  paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A. Not quitting this website.
  B. Working on that article we discussed.
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wordscribe43posted 12 years ago
I smell dirty socks... Is it just me?
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No
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  bayouladyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  quite dirty......ew...
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FreyaKraftposted 12 years ago
It's very unfortunate to see how some 'experienced' members of this website ganged to silence a new member. Phenoms asked some legitimate questions, ones that any rational individual would ask if he is to invest his time and energy into a place which promises it pays money.

We all know that rarely in life we can trust anyone. I find it very disappointing the way these longtime members harassed a new member. I see this in real life too. People who are weak, will go to any extent to quell dissent. It's cheap marketing.

I am new here too, and find this behavior very sad. We all know there is little money here. Have the courage to speak the truth.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  His initial post wasn't looking for information or proof. It was attacking the site.
  
  That's like walking into a store you hardly know and saying "This store uses false advertising, lies to its customers and no matter what proof you give me I'll call it false because I really don't want to believe anything you tell me anyway."
  
  You'll find many members are very helpful, and willing to give out lots of free time to help new members who do want to know how the site works. But if you attack us directly, we're a tight knit community and will bite back.
  
  BTW, welcome to the site!
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! I like you, you have a cute picture there :-) I guess I can make some really cool friends here.
  
  I think Phenoms asked for evidence, and no one was able to provide any. If you want to say he was rude, then that's one of the many possible interpretations. Read the way some 'experienced' fellows of this site responded to him. It's sad to see such club-politics going around. It's worse than what we have in our college unions.
  
  Anyway, nice meeting you.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We did offer evidence. Screenshots, all the hubs on the site written by those who earn. Basically, we can't offer more than that, unless he wants to log into our accounts.
  
  As I mentioned above, creating your own website to earn from will take the SAME amount of time (usually much longer) to earn the amount you can earn here over time.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think this member called 'tussin' also proved that he has earned $2,450.67 over the last 7 days, from this website. How did he prove that? He gave a screenshot. I find it very funny that you have bypassed that.
  
  I don't know if you can earn through a personal website. Either way, it's better to have your own house, than have a landlord. Freedom counts. You can be your own boss if you have your own website.
  
  I am here because I have little time to waste to create a website. I am going to publish a book, and I am looking for feedback over some of my older works that I have no wish to publish anymore.
  
  I would have never wasted time on this website if I were to make money through the internet.
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  Ddraigcochposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We can discuss this until we are blue in the face and yet as the old saying goes " The proof is in the pudding"...Write or don't write... that is all there is to it!
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That is a classic example of a rhetoric to misguide someone.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How are you being misguided? You haven't tested it so you don't know if you're being misguided or not!
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  WOW! Your English is dramatically improving with every post you make. WTG!
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  wordscribe43posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I know... it's downright phenomsenol!
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  Ddraigcochposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not misguiding at all. If we didn't make any money writing, we wouldn't do it. I have 4 children to support.
  That is why I have no more time to respond to you basically wanting nursing in to a career.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes screenshots can be faked. But I doubt that hundreds of members would all go about bothering to hang around and individually fake that many screenshots.
  
  And I have somewhere about 20 websites. I am working on my first book. I like to keep my eggs in LOTS of baskets.
  
  Like Ddraigcoch said, proof is in the pudding. It really doesn't matter if you stay or go. Even the 400+ referrals I've got have only made me a few dollars compared to what I've made myself. So there's nothing in it for me other than to say "Yes you can make money earning online". I'm just happy I've discovered passive income, and like to share the knowledge I've gained about it for free - many SEO companies charge thousands for what you can find on this site for nothing.
  
  EDIT: He also said that he didn't believe an accolade. If he can't believe screenshots or accolades, there isn't a lot of things we can legally use to convince him. That's the way it is.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No one, at least on this thread, showed any screenshots, except tussin'. So, it's very unfair to say that hundreds of members of this website all go about displaying their screenshots. Now you are 'making' your own facts, sorry to say.
  
  What Ddraigcoch said, is a perfect example of how people can be misled. There is no reason in it. It virtually suggests that you have to have faith on a website, and the people that run it, and everything that they are saying or showing, have to be true.
  
  I first didn't give much importance to what Phenoms said. But now, I am feeling even more that he is correct in his assessment. It doesn't really matter if I stay or go, because HubPages will still be deceiving people. I understand.
  
  I am glad to know that you are going to publish your book. My best wishes for that. Happy to hear that hub pages has taught you SEO, and that you would have spent thousands of dollars in tuitions fees hadn't HubPages taught you that. For your knowledge, there are other venues and people who do that same charity.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Did you even look at the link on the original page that the OP linked?
  
  Here are some other hubs that may be of interest (most got off a simple site search for "My Hubpages Earnings"):
  Relache has done a poll of earnings vs time on the site.
  A user who has a graph and comparison at the bottom. It shows how money grows with time.
  Another person with a graph.
  Another graph from Rosie.
  
  There are lots more out there. They'll all indicate the same thing - earnings increase with time. And eventually get to the point where you're earning even if you don't write.
  
  The original point was that he didn't believe screenshots - but HP ad ToS and Adsense ToS prevent exact disclosure of earnings so you'll only get shots with most of the main details wiped out. Going to call Adsense a scammer too? They're one of the leading advertising firms on the internet, run by Google. There was a fellow called Misha who had a hub that earned up to $100 a day. However he's left.
  
  Unfortunately the HP Ad ToS has been updated to state that we can't reveal advert earnings (I was going to post one with most details wiped out but wanted to check what was allowed first): http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement
  You acknowledge and agree that You will not publicly disclose Your payments or Earned Balance (including any subcomponents thereof) from the HubPages Earnings Program without prior written consent of HubPages.
  
  I must say I'm severely tempted to mentor you for six months with the guarantee that if you DON'T start earning at least a small amount and see your traffic on the up and up (based on my instructions), I'll give you $200 but my business partner (yeah I'm launching an online business in two weeks as well), who is a former mentee, has told me I can't. LOL
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Despite differences, I must say you are a sweet person :-) My good wishes for your project. May you get blessings in your every endeavor.
  
  However, the point still remains, which is that screenshots are not reliable as evidence.
  
  I am not saying one can not earn a few dollars here, or like $60 or something, if they invest 12 hours everyday on this website. It happens. If some people find that equation interesting, then more power to them. What is really interesting is the claims that HubPages has made.
  
  "earns $1,500 a month writing on things that truly interest her"
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  All I can say after 2 years on the site and networking with hundreds of hubbers both on and offsite, is that those claims are completely true.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That implies, to speak objectively, that people have to have faith on you and that everything you say is nothing but pure truth. All I can say after spending a few hours with you, onsite, is that you can be trusted. But that doesn't mean that the knowledge you have is correct and that it's not just an impression you have about hub-pages.
  
  Had everyone had this kind of faith on each other, then we might not have had so much dispute over the existence of God, and such things. Makes me wonder.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well based on what I earn writing WITHOUT keywords or backlinks, I know that I could triple that if I bothered to use all the SEO methods I know.
  
  So based on the fact that a lot of users DO use good SEO, I would not be surprised if many were making into the thousands.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Earlier you said that 'those claims are completely true'. Now you are saying 'I would not be surprised if many were making into the thousands'. They are two completely different things.
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Hollie Thomasposted 12 years ago
@pDS, I have MS software at the ready if one needs it.
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WriteAngledposted 12 years ago
It is curious that FreyaKraft claims to be a master's student of German literature at Semmelweis University.

The august establishment mentioned actually happens to be located in Hungary, in Budapest, and is a school of medicine.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nice One
  
  Wow... that should rock ya gerkin... though I'm told that some of the best Pickles in Germany have come from Budapest
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nightnightposted 12 years ago
Deep breath.... 10 minutes later I have read everything. What a silly discussion (no disrespect)... I'm new.... Its pretty obvious what Hub pages is about. Just give it a go!

Peace
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, some people earn plenty and some don't. I suppose it depends where your interests lie and how much time you are willing/able to devote to writing here.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  HubPages is also about blathering a whole day in the Religion and Philosophy forum, trying to prove like a lunatic, that God does not exist. If that's what you meant, then more power to you.
  
  Bad luck that some of us were talking here about money.
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FreyaKraftposted 12 years ago
It is interesting that someone would go to my profile and research so madly about me. This person seems to have Googled the city that I am originally from, to the university where I am studying currently. I am indeed pleased to know about her curiosity revolving me, and the motive behind that. This is a very good example why people who expose their identity online into websites like this, should be careful.

To save her, I would advise her to read the mentioned profile carefully. Often a single word that you missed can make huge difference. And people who are too excited and in a frenzy to play clever, miss or bypass minute details.

It is noteworthy that she never researched about the claims that this website has made, like $1500 per month earning and so on. But she is mad to research on anyone who is critical about HubPages. This makes one wonder about the weak feelings she has for this website, which she can't successfully conceal.

That's really funny.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Quote: Earlier you said that 'those claims are completely true'. Now you are saying 'I would not be surprised if many were making into the thousands'. They are two completely different things.
  
  You're nitpicking every single detail presented to you, continually backing down and finding a new argument no matter what people say. You're either a sockpuppet or someone who just loves to argue for the sake of it.
  
  You can make money on this website. GOOD money. But it takes work, time and learning. Just like it would take on your own website, or Squidoo, or Wizzley. The End.
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  wordscribe43posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm gonna have to pick door A...
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You seemingly have problem comprehending plain English, and for that matter, the ones that you wrote yourself. You either do not understand the difference between those two statements, or you deliberately deny to understand.
  
  If being rude makes you feel comforted, then you can continue with that practice. I am here for feedback for my work, and I am not here for money. You can take your SEO with you, which has saved you thousands of dollars in tuition fees.
  
  But it was disgusting to find that a website would willingly gull unsuspecting people by telling them lies and twisted facts. And, some self-proclaimed advocates of this site would come to defend that malicious practice and behave like eel-wrigglers.
  
  It's not even funny.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In that case you better take on every advertising company out there. Especially every "work-from-home", MLM, party planner etc. THAT'S called advertising.
  
  As for what you said: Earlier you said that 'those claims are completely true'. Now you are saying 'I would not be surprised if many were making into the thousands'. They are two completely different things.
  
  I said those claims were completely true. The many I was referring to was "many authors" on the site. There are A LOT of authors, and those on the front page are only five out of the thousands here: www.hubpages.com/stats
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you suggest that those frontpage entries are true, and that some people earn $1500 and so on, per month from this website, then that implies, to speak objectively, that people have to have faith on you and that everything you say is nothing but pure truth. All I can say after spending a few hours with you, onsite, is that you can be trusted. But that doesn't mean that the knowledge you have is correct and that it's not just an impression you have about hub-pages.
  
  Had everyone had this kind of faith on each other, then we might not have had so much dispute over the existence of God, and such things. Makes me wonder.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You already posted that above. ^^^^^
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And you already bypassed that above. For some reason, I guess.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And there's obviously no point arguing with you. Why are you still here if you think it's such a fraud? There's no real point, is there?
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I said earlier that I am not here for money. I came here to get feedback for some of my old work. There are many other free sites where I can get feedback. I am not here to make money.
  
  If I were really seeking money, then I would have quit this website immediately, after knowing what this place is all about.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well good. Quit arguing over something that doesn't effect you and doesn't matter to you either way.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are now speaking like a political propagandist. At last, you are opening your vault. Good that you are letting people know what this is all about.
  
  It doesn't really concern me. But there are many people who would like to know the truth of this venue, where they have invested so much time and energy. Anyway, there is now little left to argue.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I make good money here. I'm happy with that. Unless you're informed on how it works, you just look like an idiot nitpicking things that most members learn the answers to by reading the FAQ or learning centre.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do not get frustrated, you are showing more to people who and what you are. My good that you have at last cast off your pretension that you are being objective.
  
  Thanks dude! Keep getting hotter!
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bored now. Off to find another sockpuppet to play with.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Only those who are sockpuppets themselves can make such statements in order to get attraction. Too bad. You have no better enjoyment than to play under the guise of a nameless, faceless profile. If you want to do better, then find someone of your level. Don't make mistakes, you look ridiculous.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If telling lies and twisting facts and gulling unsuspected people is your idea of advertisement, then God help you. Good luck.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's not my idea of advertisement. But if you've never seen advertising like that on a day to day basis, then you must have extreme banner blindness.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's not that I haven't seen those things. But in the end, they are nothing but telling lies and twisting facts and gulling unsuspected people. If you want to say that HubPages finds that practice acceptable, then I have very little to say.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ever eaten a McDonalds burger that looks like the advert? Of course they're going to show their best work!
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In the case of HubPages, that 'best work' doesn't even exist.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's very generalised. What "best work" are you referring to?
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I can imagine as if you don't know what "best work". Happy like an actor.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hubs? Authors? Earners?
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Your ability to deceive is infantile. Go tell the head-quarters to send a more experienced witch.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Anyway, WryLilt, it's interesting how easily you change color, and change positions. Somewhere above, you said this, and I quote you -
  
  "So I repeat. NOWHERE is there a mention of get rich quick on the front page. Are you referring to adverts OFF the Hubpages site? Some unscrupulous people create "fake" Hubpages image adverts to get referrals if so."
  
  That time you suggested that HubPages do not cheat to make people join their website. And now, you are saying that HubPages do cheat people, and that, this practice is acceptable.
  
  It's difficult to trust anyone.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There is no mention of getting rich quick on the front page. It clearly states how long they've been on the site, and on the success page indicates how much work it is.
  
  You didn't indicate completely at one stage whether you were referring to onsite or offsite advertising.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I was referring to onsite claims that HubPages has made, and you said that it was not true, and that HubPages never made them. Now, you have taken a complete u-turn, and saying without any shame, that HubPages do make false claims. This is called integrity.
  
  There is a mention of getting rich quick on the front page. I showed earlier how that works. Seemingly, you have forgotten that entire episode.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where, exactly, on the front page does it mention getting rich quick?
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Where did I say Hubpages make false claims? All the success stories are true.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, those who have either a weak memory, or who want to pretend that they have a weak memory, will say that. Good show. Keep making it more complicated, and try to drive it off. Prove the point so everyone can understand your motives. Keep up dude! Your gonna make it easier! It's not a game. Don't behave like a pest.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If there are false claims perhaps you could share them. I don't know of any.
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  Rik Ravadoposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sadly, the forums reveal Freya is now leaving us. Quite rightly as she posted 3 poems 2 days ago and failed to make any money. I must be stupid. I have been here over 4 years and still haven't discovered that Hubpages is a scam - could it be because Paypal keeps dropping significant cash into my account every month?
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Rik Ravado, sorry to see that you have read throughout this thread, looking for justification. Or did you, really? Or did you just jump into conclusions?
  
  I didn't come here to waste a whole year and to make $50, in the end. I came to find serious feedback over some of my literary work. But I was surprised to find where I had stepped. There are lots of places to get feedback. It doesn't fit with my principles to live with a hoax.
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  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bye Freya!
  
  Shut the door on your way out
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So, what were the false claims?
  
  All I see is the users false assumptions that Hubpages is a literary critique group. I am baffled as to how she reached that conclusion.
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The psycho-logist is not jumping into conclusions, hah! Or trying to save a website by twisting things. Lovely effort!
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The referral ads are not by Hubpages. So there is no contradiction.
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  WriteAngledposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not exactly deep research to click on a profile and see that it cites a Hungarian medical school.
  No need for vast Googling either. My undergraduate studies included microbiology, so I know who Semmelweis was, where he came from, how he gained fame and the fact the Hungarians honoured him by renaming the school after him.
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FreyaKraftposted 12 years ago
Is this web..
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GeneralHowitzerposted 12 years ago
Probably a trojan... if you don't believe then it's your loss not ours...

Adios amigos...
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, how funny, bad sector! You can obviously believe that ghosts exist. It's your loss not ours...
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  GeneralHowitzerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The vast majority of people believe that ghosts exists and would you think that they are funny too ha? If I believe that ghosts exist and a lot of Hubbers believe that some of the writers here really earn then so be it... I know they are earning well since I believe in parallelism... Based on my accumulated page views and earnings, if only I have as many well-written and old hubs as those Hubbers that are earning well... then I could be earning well right now...
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  Phenomsposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you think that believing that ghosts exist, is beneficial to an individual, then good luck with that. I rest my case. Be happy with such 'knowledge'. It's not funny, anyway.
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C.V.Rajanposted 12 years ago
Some (or a fair amount) of exaggeration is taken for granted in ads universally. Web content sites generally tend to exaggerate possibilities of earning a lot (by perhaps citing an example of 1 or two very 'so-called successful' writers who have pumped in far in excess of their productive time into the sites and earn something worthwhile after years of hard work. No one really knows (including those 'successful' writers) as to whether they would have earned something far more proportionate to their efforts had they pursued their 'passion' elsewhere.

But, it appears to me (I include myself too) that writers are some cranky beings who somehow love to see their written stuff appearing somewhere and being read by some strangers (however few and far between the readers are!). To be far more frank, most of the stuff we write may not be acceptable for print in any print media worth its name.

So web content sites as well as web content writers thrive this way. Don't take ads seriously.

(Don't take forum bashing too seriously!)

C.V.
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sunforgedposted 12 years ago
This was so damn confusing to read through!

It was certainly possible to make money on HubPages, in fact, the "success stories" probably represents a middle ground of successful earners. The smart earners would never have exposed their niches and writing styles. They don't take any part in the HP community or have a collection of personas well separated from any publicly known identities and silently build up content .. or did. There is a large community of internet forums offsite with members who make/made career level income from sharecrop sites like HubPages. It is possible.

A figure I see bandied around alot is that 90% of all people who attempt any online income genration fail to earn even $10 before they quit. Have no idea of the source or validity of that figure, but its used frequently.

Anyone who was "fooled" by the success stories aspect of the front page has no one to blame but themselves. There WAS nothing there that a reasonable person with perhaps a sixth grade english comprehension level should misinterpret as a promise of instant success. I believe the two in this thread who were so adamant about being "fooled" are both ESL members.

On the other hand, a certain contingency of site members of the site are very much parrots who repeat empty earnings statements without first hand experience - often outdated or sorely out of context. I wouldn't blame HP administration for that, its just the way of most things.

Those success story graphs are now removed.

They should have been removed or updated over a year ago. Many of those members took substantial traffic and earnings hits. The HubPages of 2 years ago, is not the HubPages of today.

I don't think any members of the HP staff sit up nights trying to figure out how to dupe more ESL writers into contributing their work onto their servers. The only thing manipulative they openly do is adapt proven behavioral game psychology techniques into their "Accolade" system. Mouse to cheese type stuff, but you cant knock them, since it works! look at all the threads about accolades,labels, hubscores etc! So much is achieved with a 16 by 16 pixel collection of colored dots, it is amazing!!

Panda, Penguin, HP Affiliate destruction, standards changes etc - decimated and changed the site considerably. Now with the idle change - The HubPages of two months ago is not the Hubpages of today - all data prior is moot.

I think Marisa was the only one to share earning potential in a manner that is actually useful for comparison - and that was earning per thousand views. I would expect twice the figure minimum as she presented but it is about the only way to attempt to share and communicate with all the intricacies that make up when and what people earn online.

Not to call her out, as they are often repeated, and were said long before she joined - but these are the type of figures that muddy any type of meaningful discussion:

'"It takes 6-9 months to earn your first payout." - that is perhaps a median figure of vocal hub authors. As it lacks traffic stats and number of published properties, it is of little to no use.

Maybe - it takes 6-9 months for someone completely new to any type of online income generation, advertising sales, writing for money opportunity who writes at a casual output level and doesn't have the impetus to research and experiment into how to achieve such a small goal at a much quicker rate.

"Staff have said a hub reaches its maximum potential traffic at about 4 years of age."

They did (I thought 3, but same difference), I have seen how that was ascertained is questionable, whether the methodology was sound or what factors were taken into account etc ..

That is also a meaningless stat. The HP of 4 years ago, when that statement was made bears no resemblance to the HP of today. i believe 4 years back wasn't that far away from when this site still allowed porn. Obviously, articles that were created by authors who continued to write and promote and learn for 4 years were likely to have performed well.

Now that doesnt matter - HP might as well be a brand new site.

I bet that was equally, confusing and disjointed but it was trying to touch on 8 pages of commentary.
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  FreyaKraftposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! I was just leaving then saw your comment, or commentary. Good job!
  
  I have a kind heart and can not let crying kids to be alone in the street, so I have decided to take you near me and wipe your tears.
  
  Ok. I didn't know 18 years old boys can have Phd degrees on English. Do you have one? Many people can speak and use multiple languages - how many do you know? Oop! Sorry, you know only one!
  
  Do you have learning ....order? You grasp thing quickly, it seems.
  
  "Kathryn Vercillo
  "earns $1,500 a month writing on things that truly interest her"
  
  Well, what does that sentence say? From your point of view, it says she doesn't earn $1,500 a month from HubPages, right? It also says that she didn't earn $1,500 in a month after her joining date. And it also says that the figure $1500 is also an average. And lastly, it says that it didn't take her 3 years to reach the position where she started to earn her first pennies through this program.
  
  Ignorance in action, you see. The sun forged the snob.
  
  I heard someone that day bought an island from her HubPages' earnings. Don't find that believable? Good God! Everything is possible! Come on, everything I say must be true, you see. Doubt is a very harmful disorder. Have faith on me, and also on HubPages.
  
  It was good to have seen you. Most here came from kindergarten. You are very mature, dude!
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
If your grasp of the Terms of Service is similar to your grasp of "leaving" I may know where your issues with Hubpages arose.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm stealing THAT pearl!!!
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  relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Even though it got some people's hackles up the last time I said this, I'm going to say it again.
  
  Since HubPages doesn't allow animated GIFs, just imagine that I replied to this with the image of Orson Wells applauding from CITIZEN KANE.
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