America's Forefathers And True History!

America, Our Forefathers, and Our Constitution

The work of many minds, the US Constitution stands as a model of cooperative statesmanship and the art of compromise.

Our forefathers would roll over in their graves to see what has become of their America.

Just compare today, 2010, with 1776.

Dare to compare present today with decades ago and hundreds of years ago.

Founding Father's Real Face

What would George Washington and Thomas Jefferson think of black people being free today?

 

What would our forefathers think of so many people “owning” land today and voting too?

Oops!

Wait a second. Let me check my notes here.... hmmm!


Button Gwinnett
Button Gwinnett


Gee! Now folks don't get your knickers all twisted up here. I didn't write this, at least originally. So if there is anyone upset about this history- write to the editor of your local newspaper and voice your heart-felt opinions. They will be appreciated.

Tell them Micky sent you.

But:

By the end of the Revolution our “fore-fathers” had created a state where people, like themselves, who had land and wealth, held supreme power.

Of course the common man (that would be me) in the United States did not have the right to vote or to stand for office. That right was reserved for those who had reached a certain level of land ownership and personal wealth.

As military historian Hugh Bicheno said, “They were no less a self perpetuating oligarchy than the British political establishment, neither elected nor respected by the majority of the people they claimed to represent.”


Carter Braxton
Carter Braxton

The seeds of the American Revolution were sewn by wealthy men to obtain and exercise power over their fellow colonists.


John Hancock
John Hancock

Many were like John Hancock who inherited wealth, not earned it. They were much like the aristocracy back across the water. The “founding fathers” were men who demanded leadership positions comparable to their elevated status in the colonies.


Fundamentalist Christians and The Founding Fathers


A good percentage of our 56 signers went to Harvard.

Our leaders still go there.


The main antagonist for the war was Boston born Samuel Adams who was severely puritanical. His father’s banking venture concerning “paper money” had been outlawed in 1774 by the British . So the business failed and as a result his father lost most of his wealth. Being Puritan there was already distrust for the British government. Samuel was for violent confrontation with the British. He incited riots and he distorted events. Adams wrote many seditious letters to the editor sometimes taking on an “alter-ego” devil’s advocate for the opposing side under a fictitious name. When there was a drunken mob confronting edgy British soldiers and five men were killed, he called it the “Boston Massacre”.

In 1770, a street confrontation resulted in British soldiers killing five civilians in what became known as the Boston Massacre. The soldiers involved, who were arrested on criminal charges, had trouble finding legal counsel. Finally, they asked John Adams to defend them. Although he feared it would hurt his reputation, he agreed. Six of the soldiers were acquitted. Two who had fired directly into the crowd were charged with murder but were convicted only of manslaughter.

Historian John Miller claims, "Adams deliberately provoked the incident to promote his secret agenda of American independence."

Of course there are many eloquent statements said of Sam.

He has a beer named after him.

He went to church.

Went to Harvard- like Bush I, Bush II, Clinton, Obama, ad nauseum.

He was Puritan.

Below I will tell you:

"One group of “praying Indians” was murdered when their church was burned down with them still inside. It wasn’t Indian on Indian. It was the Puritans burning “their own”."



There were times that founding fathers could have ended the war and gotten all the freedoms they were asking for. Britain was ready to concede sovereignty by 1778, but the “patriots” kept it going for another five years hoping to take over parts of Canada as well.

So- 70,000 Americans died and 31,000 British had died.

Micky's bet is- these 70,000 were not 70,000 graduates from Harvard. which many of our forefathers were.

Still- they could not vote?

What up?

Blacks fought.

Women fought.

The elite ran the country and gave no say to the poor man or woman afterward.

Like today.



Once the war was over it was time to re-write history as Rameses did three thousand years ago.

The official version hardly mentioned intelligence gathering, warning signals, and uncertainty of the first shot.

The histories have to show that the war began from unprovoked British aggression against defenseless farmers. There is no doubt that the militias were made up of simple farmers, but they were manipulated into acting against their own interests by those in positions of wealth, power, and influence.



The war started in the north and slowly moved to the south.

It took a bit longer for the “west” (west was the mountains of North Carolina and what is now Tennessee) to become interested. There was apprehension of Indian attacks while being occupied with a war.



The coastal southerners fought for liberty and property and their property was “slaves”.



Let’s go further back. Lord De La Warr could have written the book, “How To Steal Land From The Indians and Keep It Legal”. The Jamestown colony had lost all but 60 settlers due to starvation, disease, and Indian attacks.

Before Columbus the Indians fought for the best land in the Americas as the Celts, Romans, Aryans, Persians, etc. were well known for taking what wasn’t theirs.

Most of the five-hundred “gentlemen” who landed were lazy, mean-spirited and only interested in finding Indian gold as the Spanish had in Mexico and Peru. The first English settlers were ignorant, brutal, and land hungry. They were scornful of the “inferior” Indians. The Indians reciprocated. Under De La Warr’s command, the colonists raided Indian towns, stole the crops and burned their cornfields. He was the leader of whites’ tactics of burn-and-kill that would be repeated throughout the frontiers of America.



“And here in Florida, Virginia, New England, and "Cannada", is more land than all of "Christendome" can manure, and yet more to spare than all the natives of those countries can use and cultivate. The natives are only too happy to share: If this be not reason sufficient to such tender consciences; for a copper kettle and a few toyes, as beads and hatchets, they will sell you a whole Country.” –Captain John Smith



There were Pilgrims and there were Puritans.


The Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in 1620 and treated the Indians fairly.

The Puritans founded Boston in 1630. In no time at all they were trying to convert the local folk into Christian, “Praying Indians”. In 1637 the Puritans started killing the Pequots, the most numerous tribe. Soon 1500 Indians were dead. The Puritans had killed off one tribe who weren’t “accepting” of their beliefs.

The Puritans continued to wipe out the Wampanoag in the 1660s and 1670s. Indians retreating into their great walled towns soon learned that the Puritans would burn them down and out without a small thought about it. One group of “praying Indians” was murdered when their church was burned down with them still inside. It wasn’t Indian on Indian. It was the Puritans burning “their own”.


John Rutledge
John Rutledge


Let’s skip along into the future.

Alexander Hamilton was born poor and illegitimate on a Nevi Island in the West Indies.

We could talk about John Rutledge of SC 1739-1800–“judging while drunk and insane”.

William Blount 1749-1800 – tried to sell the Southwest to the Spanish.

James Wilson 1742-1798 – Swindler, Yazoo Land Scammer, US Supreme Court Justice

John Pickering JWI- Judging while impaired.


John Adams 1737-1826 – “His Rotundity” and the Alien and Sedition Acts was to harness free speech. It didn’t go over too well.

The Sedition Act (officially An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes against the United States; ch. 74, 1 Stat. 596) made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials. It was enacted July 14, 1798, with an expiration date of March 3, 1801 (the day before Adams' presidential term was to end).

Of course as some of our forefathers would have it, if they didn’t like what you said – it must be a lie.

The Republican Press was often the target of the Alien and Sedition Act. Federalists viewed them as rebellious and opponents to "genuine liberty" for their many critiques of the administration. Matthew Lyon, a congressman of Vermont and editor of Republican Newspaper The Scourge of Aristocracy, was fined $1,000 and sentenced to four months in prison. Likewise, lawyer and physician Thomas Cooper was imprisoned for writings accusing the Adams administration of bias towards Britain.

While the Alien and Sedition Laws were in force, John Adams, en route from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Quincy, Massachusetts, stopped in Newark, New Jersey, where he was greeted by a crowd and by a committee that saluted him by firing a cannon. A bystander said, "There goes the President and they are firing at his ass." Luther Baldwin was indicted for replying that he did not care "if they fired through his ass." He was convicted in the federal court for speaking "sedicious words tending to defame the President and Government of the United States" and fined, assessed court costs and expenses, and placed in jail until the fine and fees were paid.

Jury nullification was practiced in many cases involving the Alien and Sedition Acts.

In November 1798, David Brown led a group in Dedham, Massachusetts in setting up a liberty pole with the words, "No Stamp Act, No Sedition Act, No Alien Bills, No Land Tax, downfall to the Tyrants of America; peace and retirement to the President; Long Live the Vice President," referring to then-President John Adams and Vice President Thomas Jefferson. Brown was arrested in Andover, Massachusetts, but because he could not afford the $4,000 bail, he was taken to Salem for trial. Brown was tried in June 1799. Brown wanted to plead guilty but Justice Samuel Chase wanted him to name everybody who had helped him or who subscribed to his writings. Brown refused, was fined $480, and sentenced to eighteen months in prison, the most severe sentence then imposed under the Alien and Sedition Acts.


The above about the Sedition Act was taken from wikipedia.


John Adams
John Adams


Thomas Jefferson said, “These truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal.”

Jefferson rewrote many eloquent revisions of the Revolution and many writings that awe us all today. The quote above was actually shortened to the length you see here. The original draft was considered too long.

“These truths to be self-evident; that all “white” men, who own property including slaves, are created equal to take land from any and all Indians, Mexicans, Central Americans, South Americans, Caribbeans, etc . White women can’t vote but will be held in higher esteem than all other life forms. Affirmative action is allowing slaves and other lower classes to have children sired by the FOREFATHER!”


Vice President Richard Johnson was common-law married to his slave, Julia Chinn and they had two daughters together.

After Chinn died Johnson took up with another of his slaves. She left Johnson for another man. Johnson had her tracked down and returned to him and he sold her at an auction. He then pursued a relationship with her sister.

Yep- Vice president Richard Johnson was a freak.


James Buchanon
James Buchanon

James Buchanan was America’s first gay president. William Rufus deVayne King was Buchanan’s lifelong friend. Just thought this was interesting reading.


William Blount
William Blount

In 1790 William Blount was appointed governor of Tennessee by President George Washington. In about six years or so he was trying to sell Indian land to the British. But his real goal was to unite the Indians with the British and take Florida. There he would be Guv again. The Senate didn’t impeach or put him on trial. Business as usual.


President  Andrew Jackson would have killed all the Indians himself but he got busy with duels and such- killing his own white people.

So he had a bunch of other cowards do it.


How Religious Were the Founding Fathers? - Gordon Wood


Yes sir, let’s skip on over to the Civil War and the blacks getting their freedom. One giant step forward takes a giant step backward because in 1876:

President US Grant’s administration were sullying elections right through his second term. So it’s no surprise that his Republican party would continue its piggish behavior in the election of 1876.

Congress offered their “back-room” deal. If the Democrats “agreed” to “accept” Rutherford B. Hayes as their newly elected Grand Poobah of the US then old Rutherford would recall all the federal troops who had been propping up “Reconstruction” in the South.

So!!! Old Rutherford let the hounds loose on the black people of the South and things were too often worse before the Civil War.

A black man could be walking down a street and have petty charges brought against him with fines he couldn’t pay.

The black man’s debt or prison time could be sold to a farmer, miner, or whoever had some money.

In mines of some of the southern states black men spent the rest of their lives chained to other black men. They slept together, used the bathroom together, and died together. There are unfathomable atrocities committed because of this “forefather”.

I’m not so sure just what the United States Constitution meant to those fellows.

I’m not sure if they really appreciated the “Bill of Rights”.


So slavery was cranked back up in 1876.


If you have the misfortune of going to hell-

Rutherford B. Hayes will be sizzling with you.



Of course things got better in the 1960s, a hundred years or so but our leader, Martin Luther King was murdered. And of Course, as all our "assassinations", it was a "lone gun-man". Right!



The Democrats wanted former Governor Samuel J. Tilden. Democratic Governor Lafayette Grover of Oregon refused to certify an elector. The elector was to vote Republican and for Rutherford B. Hayes. Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Oregon had “irregularities” (sound familiar?). Colorado was new and had no electoral process but the state’s legislature awarded all three of their votes to Hayes.

Tilden won the vote but lost the electoral count by a single vote.

For the first time in America, the clear winner of the “electoral vote” did not win the popular vote.


In 1824 Andrew Jackson won the popular vote and the five candidates split the electoral vote.


Of course the winning of an election by a guy who came in second would repeat again in 2000 (at least).


Andrew Jackson-Indian Killer
Andrew Jackson-Indian Killer


Grover Cleveland dodged the draft and was a nod and a wink father of a child out of wedlock.

Of course all voters before 1920 were male. As you can see – males don’t evolve on their own. They were no more moral then than now. It’s just that vices and immorality were seldom discussed. Alas, no internet.

But when the Civil War broke out, it was legal to “hire” a substitute. So Grover hired a sub.


Woodrow Wilson was one bigoted white cracker there! He was born in Virginia and raised in the Carolinas.

Woodrow put many men like himself in this cabinet. As soon as they took office they segregated their departments. It was back to separate bathrooms and drinking fountains, even though the departments were integrated since the Civil War.

Woodrow termed the black vote “ignorant and hostile” toward white people and blacks themselves. He claimed it to be “an ignorant and inferior race”.


Theodore Roosevelt called him a “damned Presbyterian hypocrite!”


In 1912, "an unprecedented number" of African Americans left the Republican Party to cast their vote for Democrat Wilson.

They were encouraged by his promises of support for their issues.

Man! Were they ripped off!

The issue of segregation came up early in his presidency when, at an April 1913 cabinet meeting, Albert Burleson, Wilson's Postmaster General, complained about working conditions at the Railway Mail Service. Offices and restrooms became segregated, sometimes by partitions erected between seating for white and African-American employees in Post Office Department offices, lunch rooms, and bathrooms, as well as in the Treasury and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

It also became accepted policy for "Negro" employees of the Postal Service to be reduced in rank or dismissed.

And unlike his predecessors Grover Cleveland and Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson accommodated Southern opposition to the re-appointment of an African American to the position of Register of the Treasury and other positions within the federal government.

This set the tone for Wilson's attitude to race throughout his presidency, in which the rights of African Americans were sacrificed, for what he felt would be the more important longer term progress of the common good.

Today- in 2010, a video is passed around for the far crazy right and contains words from Woodrow Wilson.

The white cracker freak president!

Is that video, today, "CODE" for all white crackers to come to the aid of the whacko right today?

It is to me.


“My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whore-house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference.”

Harry S. Truman


Strom Thurmond-Bigot-Hypocrite
Strom Thurmond-Bigot-Hypocrite

Strom Thurmond was born to well-to-do farmers in South Carolina. In 1925, after Strom Thurmond graduated from Clemson, he fathered a child with Carrie “Tunch” Butler. Thurmond sent his child “Essie Mae Washington” away to live with her mother’s relatives in Pennsylvania. But Strom preached segregation right on.

Strom holds the record for the length of a filibuster by a single senator, just over twenty-four hours, while single-handedly trying to block the Civil Rights Act of 1957.


A Beautiful Vulnerable Woman Used By The Kennedy Brothers
A Beautiful Vulnerable Woman Used By The Kennedy Brothers

Let’s skip along to the 1960s.

John F. Kennedy was a womanizer and plagiarist. His book “Profiles inCourage” was ghost-written, probably by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

But JFK was a serial adulterer. Gene Tierney and Marilyn Monroe were but two. Angie Dickinson said about her tryst with President Kennedy, “It was the best thirty seconds of my life.”

It appears that JFK didn’t mind seeing elected officials of Central and South America being killed by our CIA.


Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon and Lyndon "Bonkers" Johnson
Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon and Lyndon "Bonkers" Johnson

Richard Nixon. Oh my God!
Please don't make me even think of this "crook"!

Lyndon Baines Johnson is a president we could say a lot about. Johnson was a student of human nature (?). He would remind anyone and everyone of just “who” was running the show. He would send a member of Congress or whoever to the bathroom. If officials weren’t doing to his satisfaction he would summon them in and go into his small private bathroom, drop his trousers, and make the person in question discuss the issue while LBJ sat on the toilet.


The Forgotten Founding Father - Chief Canassatego

John Connally - Just Typical of Today's Political Macaroons
John Connally - Just Typical of Today's Political Macaroons

John Connally who was shot with John Kennedy in Dallas, said about the Warren Commission investigation of JFK’s murder, “I do not for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission.”

Connally was also outraged when accused of taking a $10,000 bribe. “$10,000 was considered a tip.”

During the Vietnam War, Connally hawkishly urged Johnson to "finish" the engagement by any military means necessary. Johnson, however, was more moderate in his conduct of the war than Connally advised.

Connally was known as an immaculate dresser who wore expensive and stylish suits wherever he went. Biographer Charles Ashman related a story about Connally's carrying a cigarette lighter in his pocket and lighting cigarettes as a courtesy only for very wealthy men who might be inclined to contribute to his political causes or retain him as a consultant on business arrangements.

Just typical of most politicians since time began. Yuck!


James "Kick The Indians And Mexicans Out" Polk
James "Kick The Indians And Mexicans Out" Polk

Want to go back to the United States’ annexation of Mexico in 1846?

The Mexican-American War took two years and cost Mexico a large chunk of territory. The war was waged under the American expansionist ideology of Manifest Destiny - which proposed that it was the God-given right of all United States citizens to take and rule land, including that occupied by Mexicans and Indians. The war ended with the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Polk initially hoped to be nominated for vice-president at the Democratic convention, which began on May 27, 1844. The leading contender for the presidential nomination was former President Martin Van Buren, who wanted to stop the expansion of slavery.

If a deadlocked convention occurred in the election of 1845, initial supporters of Van Buren would pick Polk as a compromise candidate for the Democrats. In the end, this is exactly what happened as a result for Polk's support of westward expansion.

Polk was the "dark horse".

Not dark in a good way though.



The 1787 delegates practiced a wide range of high and middle-status occupations, and many pursued more than one career simultaneously. They did not differ dramatically from the Loyalists, except they were generally younger and less senior in their professions. Thirty-five were lawyers or had benefited from legal education, though not all of them relied on the profession for a livelihood. Some had also become judges.

At the time of the convention, 13 men were merchants, Blount, Broom, Clymer, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Shields, Gilman, Gorham, Langdon, Robert Morris, Pierce, Sherman, and Wilson.

Six were major land speculators: Blount, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Gorham, Robert Morris, and Wilson.

Eleven speculated in securities on a large scale: Bedford, Blair, Clymer, Dayton, Fitzsimons, Franklin, King, Langdon, Robert Morris, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, and Sherman.

Twelve owned or managed slave-operated plantations or large farms: Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jenifer, Jefferson, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves, as did Franklin, who later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society.

Eight of the men received a substantial part of their income from public office: Baldwin, Blair, Brearly, Gilman, Livingston, Madison, and Rutledge.

Three had retired from active economic endeavors: Franklin, McHenry, and Mifflin.

Franklin and Williamson were scientists, in addition to their other activities.

McClurg, McHenry, and Williamson were physicians, and Johnson was a college president.


Thomas Jefferson

The words of Thomas Jefferson are beautiful!

Thomas Jefferson was chosen to write of the many ideals that Americans held dear, for and by the wealthy. Men without property had no voice in the direction of "America". Women had no voice.

Black men were chained.

Black women were in Jefferson's bed.

Uncle Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite.

Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. - Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government. – Thomas Jefferson.

To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. .I place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared. – President Thomas Jefferson

The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite. – Thomas Jefferson

When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself public property. – Thomas Jefferson

I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. – Thomas Jefferson (1800)

In matters of Power, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. – Thomas Jefferson

Our legislators are not sufficiently apprized of the rightful limits of their power; that their true office is to declare and enforce only our natural rights and duties, and to take none of them from us. – Thomas Jefferson, Letter to F. W. Gilmer, 1816

Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry. – Thomas Jefferson

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the law," because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. – Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. – Thomas Jefferson

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so. – Thomas Jefferson

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. – Thomas Jefferson

An elective despotism was not the government we fought for. – Thomas Jefferson

Experience [has] shown that, even under the best forms [of government], those entrusted with power have, in time and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. – Thomas Jefferson 1779

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but the newspapers. – Thomas Jefferson


I want all of Jefferson's pretty words to be true.

Unfortunately uncle Tom proves to be petty.

Samuel Chase (April 17, 1741 – June 19, 1811) was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court and earlier was a signatory to the United States Declaration of Independence as a representative of Maryland. Early in life, Chase was a "firebrand" states-righter and revolutionary. His political views changed over his lifetime and in the last decades of his career he became well-known as a staunch Federalist, and was impeached for allegedly letting his partisan leanings affect his court decisions. Chase was acquitted.

President Thomas Jefferson was determined to seize control of the judiciary from the Federalists and to his own party. His allies in Congress had shortly after his inauguration repealed the Judiciary Act of 1801, abolishing the lower courts created by the legislation and terminating their Federalist judges despite lifetime appointments; Chase, two years after the repeal in May 1803, had denounced it in his charge to a Baltimore grand jury, saying that it would "take away all security for property and personal liberty, and our Republican constitution will sink into a mobocracy."  Jefferson saw the attack as an opportunity to reduce the Federalist influence on the judiciary by impeaching Chase, launching the process from the White House when he wrote to Congressman Joseph Hopper Nicholson of Maryland asking: "Ought the seditious and official attack [by Chase] on the principles of our Constitution . . .to go unpunished?"


Among many Revolutionaries were true heroes like Dr. Joseph Warren who were motivated by dreams of a better tomorrow. He was concerned that a war with England would weaken her in the struggle with France. He was morally and physically courageous. At Breed’s Hill in 1775 he took his place with the common man and he gave his life for the future he believed in.


Alexander Hamilton was opposed to slavery and, with John Jay and other anti-slavery advocates, helped to found the first African free school in New York City. Jay helped to found the New York Manumission Society and, when he was governor of New York in 1798, signed into law the state statute ending slavery as of 1821.


Ben Franklin-Extraordinary American

Benjamin Franklin has too many wonderful accolades to list.

Where Liberty dwells, there is my country. – Benjamin Franklin


When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. – Thomas Paine


Resistance to tyranny is service to God. – James Madison


The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. – Thomas Jefferson (1781)


Where is it written in the Constitution, in what section or clause is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battle in any war in which the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it? – Daniel Webster


Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -Patrick Henry to the Virginia House of Burgesses, 1775

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

Still- the black man was chained.

Men without property could not vote.

Women could not vote.


American Religion-Ghost Dance
American Religion-Ghost Dance

American Forefathers and Religion

I worship the true God.

I try to follow the Golden Rule.

Clutching this Golden Rule I will also clutch the truth and tell it.

I am not of the religious right or the religious left.

I have never voted for a winner from either party.

Both political parties are just to keep Americans "occupied".

One of the most common statements from the "Religious Right" is that they want this country to "return to the Christian principles on which it was founded". However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.


Native Voices: Red Cloud


"If there be an object truly ridiculous in nature", English abolitionist Thomas Day wrote in a 1776 letter, "it is an American patriot, signing resolutions of independency with the one hand, and with the other brandishing a whip over his affrighted slaves."


 


“When the Know-Nothings get control, it (the declaration of Independence) will read: ‘All men are created equal except negroes, foreiners and Catholics.’ When it comes to this, I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”

Abraham Lincoln

(Letter to Joshua F. Speed, August 24, 1855)



When people are lying about American or world history,


                                               they are also lying about a lot of other stuff.


Shed the liars.


Searching for American history will get you a very rosy picture where nobody even uses the bathroom just like your TV.

That's most of our history. Rosy!

You need more history than a take-out box from brain-washers, masters of spin.


The truth is good enough for me.

I need information to make a plausible truth!


Not one president in this video has defended the Constitution - not one. Most of our forefathers established a government where 70, 000 men died during our revolution and unless they owned property- they had NO say in the government. The painting is propaganda at it's lying nastiness.
The hated "liberals" are applauding as Obama has his foot on the Constitution. Repugnants are aligned with the "surprised" forefathers.

Kennedy looks away.

I lived through the Bush dictatorships.

The patriot act?

The presidencies of George Herbert Walker Bush and his "brilliant son.

The Dick Cheney presidency.

The best republican we've had was Bill Clinton.

Obama will be the best republican president.

All our elected officials are bogus.

They are all republicans- since 1776.


But- the video speaks for itself.

It's that October surprise that the republicans are so famous for like when George Herbert Walker Bush made a deal with Ollie North to trade weapons for out hostages in Iran.

The hostages wouldn't be released until after Cater left office.

It's against the law and it is treason to give arms to the enemy.


Oliver North and George Herbert Walker Bush are traitors and should be tried for treason.

Alas, out Injustice System has not worked in 200 years.

George Herbert Walker Bush also broke the law after his presidency working for defense contractors and with the pharmaceutical companies and his partner in crime and close family ties vice-president Dan Quayle.


But- there are no democrats after election.

This is America, There will not be one detectable shift from the dead center alliance both democrats and republicans have with MONEY!


Shame rules this election as in every election prior to this one!

Shame on any artist prostituting himself in acts as this.


Shame on our political process that uses scare tactics like this while the world burns.

Shame on this party structure that demonizes any "other party"  that is not democratic or republican.

Shame on the democrats and republicans who exclude third party candidates from debates.

These republicans and democrats are tyrants and cowards.

These republicans and democrats are wiping their rears on the Constitution.


In the hands of THESE democrats and republicans-

our United States Constitution is not worth the HEMP it was written on.


Big & Rich - 8th Of November (Video)


Our "leading" Americans are ashamed of the truth.

These Americans keep rewriting our history to pretty it up and sell their lies and bad ideas.

These Americans will lie about anything and God is not with them.


I believe in the Golden Rule.

I have to speak the truth as well.

Yes - I walk back and forth across this Rule that is Golden because these lies kill and torture God's people!


Jesse Ventura Interview With Hannity On FOX May.18, 2009

Jesse Ventura Explains Why WTC7 Is The Key To 9/11 Being An Inside Job!

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Sa`ge 5 years ago from Barefoot Island

This is your strongest call out for truth to be told. Thank you Micky, Thank You! It's time to wake up! Thank You! I am going to make sure my grand kids read this. The real history. +3 hugs +3


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Sufidreamer 5 years ago from Sparti, Greece

Great work, Micky - I enjoyed the read :)


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Thank you Sufidreamer!


ralwus 5 years ago

Gee, but even with all the bullshyt, they did build something grand. You have been a very busy historian King Micky! I learned a few things reading this, loved it all and now I am cross-eyed. LOL Sorting out our history is worse than sorting out one's life. hehe I was going to point out my favorite quote here, but there are so many, I now have lost it. Great and awesome job old son. Now to rest these old eyes.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hey Sa'ge Dear! Thank you for seeing that I just want the truth!

Ralwus! I'm going blind from it myself! God bless!


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Paraglider 5 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Great stuff. History without the rose tinted specs.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hey Paraglider! I guess those who seek the truth already know. Of course - who really knows? There lies the problem. Who can we trust? We, United States, are divided in millions of ways and united for "A" few. I am puzzled why it is.


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sandun81 5 years ago

Seems like you have done a good research. Very interesting to read.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Thank you sandun! I'll come check you out. God bless!


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Darlene Sabella 5 years ago from Hello, my name is Toast and Jam, I live in the forest with my dog named Sam ...

When I see and imagine this country and think about American history I see the pioneers, their arrival here to start a new life, and yes our founding fathers did create a higharchy from which they could rule from their ivory towers, and they still doing this; it is wrong, unfair and simply crazy. However, when you think of us, the everyday man and women following their dreams. I for one are the most shocked and appalled on the abuse and treatment of the orginal people's...THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE TRUE AMERICAN. Then sending boat loads of humans from Africa to be their slaves, this is so beyond my comprehention it just boggles my mind. Great hub Mic, love this hub and I love you...darsk


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

I do appreciate your Amen Sister Darski! Genocide is what happened to the Indians. They killed all the buffalo to finish the Indians off and then killed them on the reservations they penned them in They ran over tepees, women, children, and all because to the murderers there was no good Indian. This is American history. And to deny it gives the upper hand more upper hand. But just like in physics- for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Some day these haters and killers will have THEIR Armageddon.

They chained black men and raped the women. They hung blacks in trees all over Georgia, Alabama, Louisianan, South and North Carolina, Virginia - even in the north. Indiana wouldn't allow a black "Marshall Major Taylor", the fastest man in the world in early 1900, to race with their white crackers.

SAME THING TODAY! DIFFERENT DAY! DIFFERENT GROUP!

We have Muslims to to kill now. We have Mexicans to kill because AMERICANS bully everybody. Steal land. Resources.

How did all the gold from Colombia get in the museums of Europe and the US?

Americans love being stupid. They love a bag over their head to hide the ugly atrocities businessmen commit all over the world and then they inflate America's ego with false patriotism.

Same thing today and the country loves it. They eat it up. Today they hold debates - - debates! Where one lawyer from Harvard tries to out debate another lawyer from Harvard. They exclude the "NON-ELECTABLES". THE NON-ELECTABLES are just not mainstream enough. Thi9s way we can all hear what we are supposed to hear from the MASTERS". It's rigged and we will see no truth from lawyers.

Thank you Darlene. I got carried away.


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JOE BARNETT 5 years ago

we have always known! what amazes me was how they would spin everything to make it look like they were the good guys . . .always! even when teaching history in college they would skip 3 or 4 chapters at a time to avoid letting the truth out. i was shocked and then learned, that their goal was to paint everything rosey and to call anyone that told the truth some sort of radical. martin luther king, ,huey newton,rev.wright, stokely carmichael etc. in this land they make lies the truth and the truth a lie! you have only scratched the surface.great hub!


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50 Caliber 5 years ago from Arizona

Mic, was this piece written prior or after the email I/you received? No matter, just curious.

All of Ventura's feeling about John, Bobby and Martins deaths were conspiracies I will always believe just as our entrance into WWI, WWII, Vietnam, were all planned, I didn't include Korea as I've yet to study that conflict. We live in a nation of lies, conspiracy, murder and numerous things that I cannot be talked into believing ever, never, absolutely fucking liars, all of them including our present sitting out house King o'bummer it's going to be a long hot ride into hell if your(not you specifically)riding the train that he has built. All passengers need asbestos panties to fight the flames that will become your ass before it is through. I promised not to speak politics with you so I'm done, but as you presented I'm riding with Jessee, 50


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

JOE BARNETT! God bless you Brother! I needed an amen! God bless you!


kimberlyslyrics 5 years ago

Hello Micky

I certainly learned more here than I could have ever expected too. First Being Canadian then not having any history or political schooling, I admit I had to read it 3 times, okay then sent it too my mom also to explain some things. Certainly ddi enjoy so much information. And certainly have missed you. Wish I knew what happened.

Either way glad I am a follower and can't imagine how much work this hub took.

good bye micky


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

50 Caliber yo Bro! This piece sat on the "account" for weeks without pics. I put four poems at once up. This one rose to a score of 70 and then dropped to 67

(score) while it sat there unpublished. It was viewed by 18 people before publishing.

50- brotherman. I think we can talk. That virus gave us something to not talk about. That email - how? They are amazing! They better get those asbestos panties cause there is a train coming! There will be some gnashing of teeth! This is one fine mess America is in and America better get away from Harvard.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hi Kimberly! I do hope you're well and great. I saw your "dilemma" I saw nothing "wrong" though" Confusing! God bless!


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Christopher Price 5 years ago from Vermont, USA

Man, you surely tell it like it was and is.

I must reread it and view all the videos, but I just had to let you know this is one of the best "political" hubs I have read. It should be distributed to every citizen in the USA.

You know, Mathew Lyon was reelected to congress while he was still in prison by the take-no-sh*t constituents he represented here in Vermont. We're still kinda that way!

This was awesome.

"Amen"? Oh yeah, Amen...and Hell Yeah!

CP


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Very well done amigo!

At this point I just want to add a few ideas to the event that we all know as the Boston Massacre.

Deposition of Captain Thomas Prescot, March 12th, 1770:

"The mob still increased and were outrageous, striking their clubs or bludgeons one against another ... They advanced to the point of the bayonets, struck some of them and even the muzzles of the pieces, and seemed to be endeavoring to close with the soldiers ... one of the soldiers having received a severe blow with a stick, stepped a little to one side and instantly fired".

Five people dying after threatening and attacking police would not be called a massacre nowadays. "Yet the Boston massacre and other events have helped shape Americans' attitudes as to what their own Revolution was all about."

How many of these patriotic Americans on Hubpages who keep crying about the founding fathers care for example, to research what exactly happened that night? (I'm not even American ...)

Cheers for a great article!

PS The above quotes come from "Discovering the American Past, A look at the evidence" Volume 1, chapter 4. It was written by William Bruce Wheeler, and Susan D. Becker from University of Tennessee.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Christopher Price! You have brightened my day. It's really great to see "those lights on"! Most of the "States" are the take-all-the-sh*t folk. Believe every fairy tale folk. Thank you Christopher!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Yo Mr. Happy! I was going to bed with migraine but I saw you guys here! I had to say thank you! You fellows write a great hub!

Thank you so very much for the addition. I remember reading that - it wasn't at your place? Anyway- God bless you!


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American Romance 5 years ago from America

Lets compare the supposed way the land owners could vote over the non land owners.......today its the people with jobs supporting the country compared to the 50 percent that take some kind of entitlement! ......maybe our forefathers had something there???.......If we don't allow those who milk the system to vote, then only those who want jobs and economy growth would vote .............wouldn't that leave the Republicans in power till the ends of the earth????????


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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

Before reading this hub I knew probably not more than 70% of the facts you detailed and documented here, but that was more than enough for me to conform what I have been saying all along; hypocrisy disguised as high morals was, is and will be at the very core of this country’s history.

With the Bible in one hand and the whip in the other spectacular accomplishments have been taking place for the last 200 years in the world “finest democracy” born out of the innocent blood of Indians and baptized in the tears and sweat of black slaves.

The crusade is more than half way through, and the army of crippled angels knows that the battle is lost so with their last breath are spiting the venom of their defeat and agony while chanting to the four corners of the world “we are the bravest, the greatest and the best democracy that ever existed”

Nobody is buying anymore what they are selling.


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Mr. American Romance, people did not own land because they were not allowed to not because they did not want to work ... come on, big difference. You cannot compare a poor peasant who has no rights, land, etc with the guy milking welfare. Not the same thing at all.

Women also could not own land, could not vote, etc. not because they were lazy but because they were suppresed by the world they lived in.


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tonymac04 5 years ago from South Africa

Great read here, Brotherman Micky! Telling the history as it is, indeed! History, they say, is always written by the victors. In South Africa we have a saying, until the lion tells his story the hunter is a hero. You have told some of the lion's story here and the hunter is somewhat less of a hero.

The biggest surprised to me was that stuff about Wilson and segregation - I had the impression, how wrong I seem to have been, that he was liberal.

The Lincoln quote is just wonderful: "When the Know-Nothings get control, it (the declaration of Independence) will read: ‘All men are created equal except negroes, foreiners and Catholics.’"

I think there is a great danger of the "know-nothings" winning, if they have not already! Scary.

Thanks so much my dear brotherman for this wonderful insight into the history of the "great republic".

Love and peace

Tony


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Yes AR, let's compare apples to comets burning in outer space.


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vietnamvet68 5 years ago from New York State

Micky Brother man - It took me have the night to read this, You have spent a lot of time on this one. Great write enjoyed reading it. You are so right this country is going fast, faster than most people realize my friend.

Take care and Gods Speed

Steve


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Petra, I do love your comments. You are so learned! Your intelligence is though study, experience, life. Nobody is buying it anymore. Amen Sister. Let me know when the next choir meeting is. God bless you!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Thank you Mr. Happy for beautiful input!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Yo VietnamVet. What we fought for is not the America we thought. America has been in the hands of some bad folks with bad ideas. The off shore accounts in the Caymans should be shut down, We never see our armed forces going for THAT money that is ripped off and stolen from Americans. This is cheating. Who makes this possible? Lawyers and the financial people, the accountants, etc.

They want everybody to pull their weight! Everybody but themselves.

If anything our Marines should take the banks in the Caymans, etc.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Yo Tony. I like the lion's story! Maybe the deer have a story. What will not be surprising to me is the secrecy of bigotry that has permeated most presidencies. I found two sources of that info and lost one. Before the internet, my research could have taken weeks. This has been days. The know-nothings have been in charge behind the "all-wrong-knowings". It all amazes me that Jesus broke all the laws down so there is no mistake - "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Christians and people of "Faith" of all religions must unite and take up this cross. God bless you my BrotherMan Tony!


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Freya Cesare 5 years ago from Borneo Island, Indonesia

It is great Hub. You written American History into one Hub. Somehow, it help me to understand several things which I was wondering a lot about US and American. Thank you, Micky. Sa'ge is right. So far it is the best Hub from you. :)


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Eiddwen 5 years ago from Wales

It's taken me ages to read this ,mainly because everybody decided to visit at the same time. However I have read most of it and I am coming back in a bit to listen to the video clips to give it the justice it deserves. As usual you pull no punches and this is what makes you the great writer that you are.

Take care and God Bless Micky.

As usual it is so well researched and very informative.


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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

I just posted this topic on the political forum hoping to get more people a chance to read this hub

The inconvenient truth

Micky Dee wrote a well documented and extensively researched hub about the embellishment of America’s history from the beginnings to present days, revealing the perpetual lies and manipulation of the truth.

As sad as it is to demolish dreams of greatness and to stare reality in the face, I believe this to be a MUST read.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Americas-Forefathers-and-t...

While reading this, please keep in mind that Micky is an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam and was ready to give his life for his country.


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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

P.S.

My link is not working (not big surprise since I rarely get it right) so PLEASE someone get a working link on the political forum at the topic posted by me. Thank you



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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

Ralwus,

What I would appreciate is IF YOU could go to the forum and place a working link to Micky's hub, since mine is not working. With a direct link more people will be inclined to go and read Micky's hub and that is all I wanted when starting the topic. Thank you


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prasetio30 5 years ago from malang-indonesia

My uncle, I am glad to read this hub. Because I love everything related with history and I found this through your hub. I learn much from you. You also give us wonderful pictures and video. You are my teacher now. I am glad to be your student. Rating up.

Your nephew, Prasetio


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Oh petra! This is hard to write. And then I knew it would not please many Americans who are NON-patriots. False patriots are terrorosits. People who make up lies are terrorists. I love you Petra. Tears flow from appreciation for this "work of love". We are no "just" white and jut black and just red and just Arab and just Muslim and just and just and just. We are God's people. You, Ralwus, 50 Caliber, Freya, Prasetio, EVERY above here that has cared to post an AMEN. And God bless you my people and God's people! Let's serve the true God. Let's serve the truth. Let's not make up lies. God bless!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Oh thank you Eiddwen, Freya, ETC. God bless you!

Prasetio! I had to say a special hello to my Nephew! Oh my Nephew - I have so much to learn from my Nephew! I love you Son!


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always exploring 5 years ago from Southern Illinois

It seems like the only honest man was Abe Lincoln, what a bunch of hypocrites!! Washington bought slaves teeth, how horrible.I,m going back to look at the indian video. They were so mistreated by the 'christian' leaders. Thank you for the history. I,m ashamed of our past.

God Bless


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hi Always. I am more ashamed, at least for now, in our present. Hundreds years more have passed. People are still treated as cattle. John McCain is a Vet. He marries money. He and his wife are fine as Vets sleep on the streets. Meanwhile they have 5 houses/ What is it?

I do appreciate his service. But he turned away or he digressed to the mammon serving God he worshiped before Vietnam and his captivity.

Hundreds of years pass and most of our country are Christian? Yet we elect the scuzziest lawyers to reign over us and they are morally incapable of any change for the common man. They will not police their own.

I met an older man at the VA this morning. He says a doctor misdiagnosed his cancer on his arm. It grew from a quarter to three inches or so. Now he has no lymph nerves (?) or the ability to dispose of the wastes in his arm.

No lawyer will touch his case. Is the doc being protected by our government? The doc is from out of the country. Why wouldn't the law firm (partners/former partners)of Edwards who ran for president take the case? No lawyer will. The man is ruined by malpractice because this doctor wanted more money. It's about the money. Lawyers are liars. Professional liars. They are paid to lie. They are paid to get crooks and murderers off the hook by any means even if it is to destroy another life.

And people tell me to vote. Sorry. It is against my religion to vote for evil. I will never vote for another lawyer.

I thought it was very lovely that finally we had a black man to have his turn. I did not vote for Obama. I didn't vote for John "IforgotwhoIwas" McCain either.

America- stop voting for evil!

Now we find that Obama is related to Bush. Obama is realted Cheney. Obama is related to Palin. Let's keep it in the HARVARD family though. yeah- where they keep Geronimo's head in the Skull and Bones clubhouse. EVERY Christian HAS to denounce this. And shame on Obama for not! Many will pray for me because I seem to have lost faith in my country. It's way too late. That happened in 1968 and 69 when our country was led into a war that killed millions. And people think they would not kill 3,000 in the World Trade Center? They would kill millions in that world trade Center for money.

And no- folks I do not know how the towers came down except that they did not come down without explosives in those towers. There are videos of BOTCHED razing of buildings on youtube. Some of those buildings were intentional ad well planned and yet they did not fall like the World Trade Center Towers. The Twin Towers came down as perfect demolitions. Building Seven, that people don't even know about came down perfectly as the Twin Towers. One would have been a world record. Two would have been a world record. Three is no doubt to anyone but head burying blinder wearers that ALL three were imploded.

Thank you Always I get wrapped up in my work. Thank you Always Exploring!


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Mr. Happy 5 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Politicians are crooked everywhere but the common man is awakening. In Greece people are on the street. In France people are on the street. In Romania people are also on the street. Perhaps the British will hit the streets as well after the worst cuts to social spending in the history of Great Britain. Either way, if people do not go on the streets now, they will soon be on the streets anyway considering how poverty is spreading like an air-borne virus.


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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

Is the rest of us who need to THANK YOU MICKY for telling the truth no matter how much that hurts you and us. Thank you dear, God will always be with you


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Petra Vlah 5 years ago from Los Angeles

Oh dear Happy,

Americans will never take to the streets on their own; they are too brainwashed and do not have what it takes.

If they end up on the streets (which is a real possibility) will be because, just as you said, misery and poverty will make them homeless


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Dim Flaxenwick 5 years ago from Great Britain

You certainly did your homework, here, Micky. This was brilliant.

The Native voices video made me cry.

Mans inhumanity to man is still the same ............


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TinaQynn 5 years ago from Northern California

Bravo! Well done.

I think the pilgrims did do harm to the "indians"

Thomas Jefferson also had a black slave wife and children and it took until our lifetime for his decendants to admit it.

Strom Thurman, the segragationist, girlfriend was black who he fatherd a child with. He took care of her financially even thogh he did not admit it publicly

Check out what they are really saying about the "for white people" Tea Party

http://hubpages.com/politics/david-duke-helping-pa...


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pintails7886 5 years ago from Memphis TN

Great Hub Micky

as always you have piqued my interest and you have caught my attention.


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Storytellersrus 5 years ago from Stepping past clutter

James Buchanan was America’s first gay president. William Rufus deVayne King was Buchanan’s lifelong friend. Just thought this was interesting reading.

This i did not know! Seriously? I hope so.

I join the crowd in shouting, you outdid yourself with this one, friend. Thumbs and everything else UP! Oh, sorry, I am female. I am still unequal in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Virginia. I don't matter.


John Paterna 5 years ago

Hey Mickey,

I applaud the hard work you must have done for this hub; but your history, much of it without real documentation as to it authenticity, is questionable. You seem to come to conclusions based on information you uncovered. It’s all hearsay and sensationalistic unless you have fool proof documentation of its authenticity.

The picture you paint is in broad strokes of black and white; good and evil; right and wrong. Just because a leader is rich does not necessarily make them bad and unscrupulous! You haven’t presented the full picture of the complexity of the peoples (from many nations) who contributed to the development of this county – and they weren’t all rich and powerful. And there were people with good intentions and bad intentions and unscrupulous people – just like today. And there were good people with good intentions.

As a knowledgeable person, I know you know that congressmen beat the crap out of each other with canes and had fights when they couldn’t agree during and after the American Revolution. The Founding Fathers were not saintly as they were in the pictures that hung in our grammar schools.

Certainly there were many atrocities. Power and greed and slaughter were all part of our development - and the development of many other nation-states. Our leaders are no worse than others. We’re no worse than any other nation. Of course, when you’re powerful, you have more potential to wreak havoc when you’re motives for self-aggrandizement dictates what you do.

As a history major in college, I was especially interested in the attempted genocide of the Native peoples. And I agree with many of your points about how badly we treated African Americans and others.

But you’ve committee the cardinal sin of the historian, whether amateur or professional: To superimpose the ethics and morality of one era onto a past epoch. The hypocrisy of people like Jefferson seems so much sharper from a 21st century point of view than from an 18th century point of view. But we still don’t have equality, even though we are moving in the right direction.

However, 200 years from now, people like you and me will see stark hypocrisy in our era – much more than we do living through it!

There’s a balance Mickey. And I’m not sure the negative picture that you present is helpful in our attempt as a people to achieve a fair and equitable society for all.


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JOE BARNETT 5 years ago

JOHN PATERNA- i saw absolutely no reason for your negative critique. mickey offered us information. you immediately deny it because it was not formatted like an english paper(bibliographies) therefore it is not true. you begin to blur the line , pass the buck by saying other countries have been bad so it's ok for us to be bad too ha ha ha. slavery was bad even then my friend. neither logic nor morals was a primary source for solutions then, greed was! oh but other countries did it so that makes it ok. it doesn't and thats what the hub was about! after living in this country and studying history as you say you have. what do you have to offer that would be opposite what he said?


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John Paterna 5 years ago

It wasn't a negative critique; it was my opinion.

He offered information, you're right; but not truth but presented as truth. I don't believe that's fair: If you want to call it true history, then you have to prove, not just say, its truth. And History is always open to interpretation, so that's why I believe that there is room for compromise, which is an American Institution! He has some truths; but not all. We all know some truths; but not all. And it doesn't have to be formatted like an English paper; but it does have to point to be proved to be true. There's too much at stake without proof.

My information wouldn't be opposite; I said I agreed with many of his points. But it has to be balanced. it's just not balanced. If we, as citizens, can't discuss a balance in the history of ourselves as a people without reducing it to a yes or no, black or white, right or wrong answer. It's more complicated than that. If we can't be honest about the way we feel and discuss it intelligently without having, as you said, "what do you have to offer that would be opposite..?" Opposite is a hard word when you need compromise. And we do need compromise in our country right now.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Petra -thank you Dear. I do so love you!

Dim Flaxenwick I do love you my Dear Dim, thank you.

TinaQynn- thank you for that heads up about the link on the other crazy, evil party. I suppose the Tea Party may not be as mean and selfish as some "people" may want.

pintails, I was hoping you would drop by, my Nephew.

Storytellersrus, God bless you Girl!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

John Paterna- I don't have the imagination to make this stuff up. I'm sorry that you don't enjoy the truth but that would be a moral problem I would think and I cannot cuddle you too much here. Our fore fathers came here, had slaves, killed Indians from one coast to the other. They burned people in churches, they chained black men up in mines where they slept chained to another man, took a crap chained with other men, they BEGGED to die with other men. The Indians were killed off. You can tell by their ABSENCE! The buffalo were killed to starve the Indians. Small pox blankets were given to the Indians. They were chased into Canada. They had to return from Canada and were killed in many ways.

Mr. forefather REWROTE American history to brainwash the world.

The white slave whip crackers killed and took everything.

What kind of imagination do you have? You need to get on board. There are children of the future that that will suffer for your "imagination".

If you don't think I have the right to believe another history that I have collected here then you need some DEPROGRAMMING.

I would write all the history of the world here but it would take to long to read and another voice of the MASTERS would come and call me a liar, a coward, and other things that I would have you refute. I am a student of life. I'm ex-Marine. I will hold these truths to my heart because I know without any doubt in my soul that two legged beasts have ruled much of our country and the world and there are WORSE atrocities that the US and governments ALL over the world have committed. I'm against those too.

You write the hubs on Attila the Hun and others. I can't prove their history either. You serve no purpose in your "critique".

Write your hub about the USSR, Idi Amin, etc. Get the truth out. I'll come by your place to support you. I will not support lies for the United States of America or any country. My God is the God of truth and mercy. The God many of our forefathers worshiped was themselves just like the lawyers we elect today. They have everyone swear on a bible and they make no attempt to proved justice or truth in the courtroom or congress, ad nauseum.

I'll stand -NOW- for the dead Indian and the dead Black Man! I'll stand for any Christian who will stand for truth. I will stand for any Jew who will stand for the truth. I will stand for the Muslim who will stand for truth. I will stand with any for the truth but I will not stand for lies of America or any country or religion that will not support the truth.

The white man came and within years he was taking and murdering all he could. Not every man and there was killing in Europe before they came. There was killing in the Americas before they came. But you, Bush, Gore, Clinton, Satan, oops.. I mean Cheney, etc. will not deter me from my God-appointed rounds.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

JOE BARNETT- I just met you Joe. We won't be picking out furniture together or anything but I love you Man! God bless you and God bless the truth for future generations.


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DjBryle 5 years ago from Somewhere in the LINES of your MIND, and HOPEFULLY at the RIPPLES of your HEART. =)

Some truths may hurt us, but in all reality everyone has been hurt by some truths and it made them better. You are brilliant! History hasn't been presented so fascinating and fabulous as this! I am so lucky to have met you at HP! =)


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

DjBryle thank you and I am so lucky to have met you. God bless.


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katiem2 5 years ago from I'm outta here

WOW what an amazing collection of history, photos, videos and rich rich research. Thank you so much for putting so much into this. I love what you said about M.M. she was a gentle sould used by man and thus ruined by lust! So sad! I will def be back to read this again! Love and Peace :)


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John Paterna 5 years ago

Micky,

You have the truth and nothing will stop you from your God-appointed rounds? That's a scary notion. As a history guy, you'll remember that much of the slaughter of the native peoples in this country was done by European Christians who believed the Indians were heathens who had to be converted, that it was God's will. But you have a right to believe what you want and as Jefferson said: "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.


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creativeone59 5 years ago from Gold Canyon, Arizona

Thank you for very interesting and enlightening hub full of information. Thank you for sharing. Godspeed. creativeone59


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prettydarkhorse 5 years ago from US

Brilliant and awesome!


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poetvix 5 years ago from Gone from Texas but still in the south. Surrounded by God's country.

I am overwhelmed. Your knowledge of history is vast and you certainly put it to good use here in what could be termed as a biting exposé on the weakness in the pillars of America. Some of this I knew and some I did not, but the way you put all the little dirty bits and pieces together really paints a shameful image. Thanks for sharing this. It must have taken sooo much work. Only by knowing our history may we have a tiny chance at not repeating it.


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epigramman 5 years ago

..it took me so long to scroll down to the bottom from the comment section that they have elected a new lady president Sarah Palin - lol lol

.....well talk of great Americans from the past you are a great American of the present!

And your hubs are so epic that they make mine look like tiny pimples being squeezed lol lol lol - so then I offer you a famous epi-man top ten as a humble token of my appreciation for all-thing Sir Dee:

TOP TEN THINGS WHICH MAKE SIR DEE - EPIC!!!!

10. his heart

9. his hub talent

8. his vision

7. his poetic comments to me

6. his hub tribute to me

5. his friendship to me

4. his friendship and support to others

3. the way his hubs are put together - they are

not only 'quantity' but 'quality' as well too!

2. the fact that he has 4 million dedicated and lucky followers .....

1. he is a proud man - and I am proud to know him!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Thank you Katie. There's quite a bit written about the Kennedys and their sexploits. I wasn't there though. Things didn't seem right though.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Well John I'll try not to hurt anybody with that Golden Rule thing. Don't worry about a thing. I have no following and don't want one. I want to tell the truth and adhere to the Golden Rule. That's it.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Thank you Creativeone. I'll come get a word soon.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hey PrettyDarkHorse!I'll come see you soon. God bless Dear.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Oh no Poetvix. Thank you Dear. This is research and as all history is is passed down and you just look further to satisfy a thirst for a better understanding of what truth could be and/or something in between. Thank you Dear!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hey Epi. I've been over-run a bit here. God bless you Bud! God bless you for your kind words. I have to come see you soon. God bless!


HSchneider 5 years ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

Thank you for exposing so many inconvenient truths. There are many more but this was a great sample. Most people revere a lot of our past heroes as if they are glorious statues. They were all human beings with all the flaws that come with that basic fact. This can be seen ultimately with our inhuman treatment of the Native Americans and blacks both as slaves and during Jim Crow. Keep on exposing. I love it.


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DavePrice 5 years ago from Sugar Grove, Ill

When the shots start firing don't worry, I'l cover the rear.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

HSchneider! God bless you Sir! My goodness! You are a blessing Sir!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Brother DAVE! My SEMPER FI BrotherMan! You have no idea how you lift a Brother up! Some day God's going to have "show and tell day" BrotherMan! We have our projects done! I love you Dave!


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KFlippin 5 years ago from Amazon

This may be from the 'heart', but anyone can rewrite history to suit themselves, anyone can selectively choose to present history to back them up, not new news. I recommend buying and reading, cover to cover, history books written at a min. of 100 years ago - done that lately???

But, sadly this hub is not surprising. There is a forum topic working right not about whether the USA has actually helped other less prosperous countries - presumably, anyone liking this hub will agree the USA has just been a huge plot to suck the life from its own countrymen and others.

Humanity, is just that, human beings, all their pimples and warts, along with the good. Chose to squeeze pimples and pick at warts and ignore everything else they contribute, and for sure ignore the world context of the times if it suits a political goal, par for the course of the times of America and the world over.......... :) Katie, following the Golden Rule


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Katie- I guess everything is great for you and I suggest helping others. I see a need for change. I see deception from all the leaders and you and I can just wander around the state of North Carolina to find that lawyers are despicable and never have run a court-room. This isn't up for debate and I will not be debating. You look it all up Katie and if you don't find problems with lawyers, judges, courtrooms and the like then you are part of the problem.

If you cannot see that lawyers have never had a year of defending the constitution in court then you can't be looking. I say they are corrupt in the courtrooms and have been for 200 years.

There is no debate here.

I will not honor another comment such as this one. There have been 200 years of slavery, reconstruction that was worse than slavery, and there is still the wink and a nod government.

Now if you say Strom Thurmond didn't father a child with a young black girl you will have to take that up with media etc.

If you want to say that all white men voted you'd be wrong- but you would have to read some more.

If you want to say that women voted, you would be wrong.

If you say the black man wasn't chained- I don't know what you can do.

So you can over to pick at puss and stink. You came over to do just what you accuse others of doing but you do it for Mr. White Man who rewrites history.

If you have a problem about these facts I suggest you write your own hub of dry white milktoast. You will come down on anyone who doesn't say what you want to hear.

I am not here to coddle you people who thinks the world is peachy and history is never rewritten by the victors.

There is nothing to debate here. There are books that you're ignoring. If you'd like to borrow some I would ship them to you- however - I believe you would burn them.

I am not here to appease your party. Your party continues to lie.

Your candidate will be against big government.

Your candidate will be against taxes.

Your candidate will try to send those insiders a message.

I'm against your status quo. I know without a doubt there is no one to be trusted coming out of Harvard where the graduates run for president and most probably have the heads of Geronimo and Zapata in their Skull & Bones club house.

So there are enough facts for me to form a logical opinion. There are more than enough rumors to come to a conclusion.

I think to follow the Golden Rule our government should make sure that American M-16s won't be used for killing God's people like the 200,000 in East Timor.

No- You and your henchmen will just work me over with attacks and offer no FACTS at all. That's what your hub is for Katie. My hub is not for you to come over and just refute to give me work to do. I won't have it so- write your OWN hub. Expound on what we all can do to uphold the Golden Rule. Seek out your Congressman and see that he or she FOLLOWS that Golden Rule.

No I wasn't around 200 years ago. But you now your friends will ever take my convictions from me.

I wasn't there when they cut the head off John the Baptist either but I'm pretty sure that happened.

If you believe in Jesus then you believe He rose from the dead.

I know Jesus lived. I know He was hanged on a cross. That's what governments do. They will kill every Messiah they can. They will discredit. They lie. They will drink wine and maybe have an orgy.

NOW- YOUR LAWYERS LIE! End of story and please let's give it a rest.

Write your own hub. Write your own history. YOU NOR YOUR FRIENDS WILL WRITE IT HERE ON MY WATCH! Apologize or your comments will be deleted. I don't have time for FOOLISH POLITICS! I am for the POOR and DOWN TRODDEN. My place is not with people who lie for a living.

I know the likelihood of what has happened.


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pmccray 5 years ago from Utah

Tell the truth brother Micky Dee; What would our fore-fathers say . . keep keepin' the lie alive. We commoners have been spoon fed a load of crap since the inception of the US.

In school your indoctrinated with half truths, and the contributions of minorities are conveniently left out of American history with the exception of George Washington Carver. So much so that we have to have special months dedicated to Black and Hispanic history in order for the truth to be told. Most of us are seen as interlopers in this nation sucking the resources dry, when in fact we've done nothing but contribute.

I've always felt when folks complain about blacks that:

1. We didn't come to this country by way of the Statue of Liberty, kidnap victims not immigrants.

2. If your ancestors weren't so lazy we wouldn't be here!

I think now more than ever others in this nation finally are opening their eyes. Unless you are of the privileged elitist you're treated as a second class citizen.

Greed by huge corporations and corrupt politicians is at an all time high and it didn't just happen its been going on in this country for centuries. Some are allowed a few dog scraps to pacify and keep us in control, but modern technology has flooded our tiny universe with information. I hate to rant, but I'm so sick of being treated like sheep. Sick of being lied too, used, abused poisoned and cheated. Getting sheered with no Vaseline!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

God bless you pmccray. This person who left some excrement here has NO idea what this country is about and her kind will never. They poke themselves in the eyes. Rameses lied about his war thousands of years ago. Went around putting his name over other names, rewrote history and his actions were recorded and they are studied today. The JOB of the CIA is to kill and start wars in third world countries. It's the department of MURDER.

I refuse to acknowledge ignorance here.

I'm just giving you hug pmccray. These people are traitors to God, America, Americans, and our planet. I hgave lived in the south and these people are poison. They have no respect for truth or life.

They chained the black man up. They worked that black man to death. They raped the women. They would not let EVEN the white poor man the vote. Women did not vote yet they lied pretty words of liberty and freedom.

If the ancestors were not SO DAMN LAZY! They set a tradition of lying from the creation of their country. But this WORLD belongs to them too. They think Manifest Destiny gives them the right to take every valued piece of dirt on Earth.

the United Fruit Company went to the Americas and exposed the people to poisons. They over planted. They moved on. They poisoned, they planted, they poisoned and they moved on. These people that lie to us today live LIES because they have an agenda still.

These ARE NOT elections. These are NOMINATIONS! Our fates are sealed and always have been with LAWYERS running a country.

Lawyers WILL NOT RUN A JUDICIAL SYSTEM. They have not in 200 years. A LAWYER will NEVER turn this country around.

I guess they will say that the feds were not taken out of the south unleashing some of the SORRIEST PUKES in the world on the black people. 1876.

I don't have time to respond to professional liars who refuse to do their homework and comment to make me work more.

God bless you pmccray! God bless you Dear! I am with YOU.


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Dr irum 5 years ago

I am trying to understand ,its not easily digestable ,but its truth , i did not know more enough about this so trying..... . Thanks great post .


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Dr irum- thank you very much. I think the more information we have, the more we can understand the workings a pattern that is with us today.


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

M.D. Since you don't approve comments that don't mirror your opinions, I'll just say .. Nice hub. I always approved your rants in my hubs, but what can I say .. you probably won't approve this either, (laughing) I should be writing another Hub rather than coming to your house and disagreeing with you anyway.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

You have questioned what I have done over the last 30 years since Vietnam.

You come here and say I don't have a right to seek the truth. You need to read some of the quotes above.You coward. You come here and insult me? You want to insult this Vet or any other YOU coward! Put your insults where your lying mouth is. You say "you" are different from other politicians. You call me a traitor who hates his country. You say I want a hand out. You sorry excuse for a pig! You insult this Vet or ANY OTHER VET -let's rumble. YOU are TREASONOUS! I am fed up with your YELLOW insulting cracker butt! You are a coward. You have called me out with your insults. You are a man with no compassion, no morals, no soul, no heart, no humanity, and absolutely NO CLASS! You write "laughing" - you are an insulting stink! If you think I work for your hateful stinking uninformed pea-brain - think again. Yep! I will delete whatever I want to especially when you call me lazy or a coward or whatever your insult is -I may delete it. I will nit argue with mental midgets. You blind your own eye! Yep I will delete to my heart's content. I don't visit the manwithnobrain. I do not follow you. I don't like you. I don't think you have anything for humanity and not even for your own daughter. You dismissed her "depression" as something she should just "snap out of". You are a disgusting parent. If you were my parent - I would be VERY depressed. Get a psychiatrist to revue your dumb hub about depression - and not one that you are BUYING. I know how you are. That's why I shook the dust of you from my feet.

But YOU republicans - you are mean! You have no morals! You attack Americans and American Vets. Well bring it on pig. I'm tired of REPUBLICANS calling me out! Out your BUTT up or shut up! Go back to your hole and write your own hubs! You are a coward! That's what you called me. You are lazy. I doubt that you have labored ANY! I know YOU have NEVER defended MY country and until you do it's more mine than yours! COWARD! Want to insult a Vet? COWARD!

No pants? That's the least of your worries!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Republicans - why don't you get a new plan of attack that might include compassion for you fellow man.

Republicans- do any of you think you are winning converts with insults? Get over yourselves!

When you REPUBLICANS insult a VET - my GOD says THAT"S IT!

I'm a small old man- kill me and be done with it but leave this page!

That goes for any political idiots including Democrats and Independents!

Want to insult a VET? I say you are a coward! Kill me and be done with it!


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TheManWithNoPants 5 years ago from Tucson, Az.

M.D. I hope you approve this but if you don't, it IS your privalige. I hope you read it in any case.

Thank you for your service Mickie Dee. I respect ALL Vets, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of them politically or otherwise. I have a pretty impressive combat service record myself, but my attack is not against you the vet or you the human, rather it's agaist your ill tempered rants Mickie Dee. For the record, I have three fine children who are grown and think I am a pretty damn good father. We are very close and always have been. Sir, your angry comments still stand in my Hubs. I felt you disrespected me, but I tried to remain civil. We DO NOT agree on basicly anything, but I didn't mean to insult you or get you this worked up, and I apologize for doing so. I will honor your request to cease visiting your hub.

I also apologize to the reader. Not for what I stand for, but for causing this thing to get ugly. That's NOT what the comments section is for.

jim


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

You are a damn liar! You meant to insult me or you would not have said what you did. You, Braudboy, anf Kflippedout NEVER have facts when you come to a hub with a different view. Not that I've seen but I will never intentionally read a word you people say. You did get caught with your pants down and I am SICK of you Braudboy and Kflippedout!

You three have had no respect for me. I will never trust you, a politician, banker or lawyer. You are just another who got caught!

You say you want to run for office? Your number one RULE should be DON'T PISS OFF A VET!

I've lost a couple of lifetimes POLITICIAN!


JeffMcG 5 years ago

One thing - the "annexation of Mexico." We first should speak of the (at times brutal) annexation of Indian territory by Spain, the impetus for which was fear that Russians, French, British, or Americans were interested in some of the same territory (the Indians didn't count). Establishing missions was a way of marking territory. This didn't happen until the late 1700s. Indian land was taken away and given to friends - most of the land was still unoccupied by any but native Indians. about fifty years later, Mexico declared independence from Spain and the territory north (California) was left with the decision to remain a territory of Spain or join with Mexico. They chose Mexico. About fourty-five years later, America fought for the territory as Americans were already settling in that territory. Moral of story - everyone except the native Indians (which are not Aztec) were asses for fighting over that territory. So please don't fib by making out the land as a native homeland of Mexicans. Just ask a native Californian Indians - is this the native land of the Spanish and Aztecs, or the native land of California's Indians? For Mexicans to try to claim that land as part of their national heritage is disgusting. I rememberd a Hispanic actor One thing - the "annexation of Mexico." We first should speak of the (at times brutal) annexation of Indian territory by Spain, the impetus for which was fear that Russians, French, British, or Americans were interested in some of the same territory (the Indians didn't count). Establishing missions was a way of marking territory. This didn't happen until the late 1700s. Indian land was taken away and given to friends - most of the land was still unoccupied by any but native Indians. about fifty years later, Mexico declared independence from Spain and the territory north (California) was left with the decision to remain a territory of Spain or join with Mexico. They chose Mexico. About fourty-five years later, America fought for the territory as Americans were already settling there. Moral of story - everyone except the native Indians (which are not Aztec) were asses for fighting over that territory. So please don't fib by making out the land as a native homeland of Mexicans. Just ask native Californian Indians - is this the native land of the Spanish and Aztecs, or the native land of California's Indians? For Mexicans to try to claim that land as part of their "national heritage" is disgusting. I recall a Hispanic actor arrogantly telling Bill Maher that "Los Angeles" was a Spanish name. Ass - what was the original Chumash name?


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

What you say is fin with me. The real victems are Indians. The Mexicans have their story and I don't fib. I repeated some history that I read.

I was not a witness to anything.

This is just a version of a "history story".

I am not an eye witness of any of it and NEITHER were you.

The truth just ISN'T just what is taught in history books in school.

Are you calling me an ass and if so what is your beef?

I'm saying the truth just isn't what we're taught - exactly. Seems like you've written a lot and not really said much. Some of your stuff is repeated.

If you think I'm not taking up with Indians from the ground up you're mistaken.

This Earth has been fought over and it will be. I think governments should grow up and people should not take anything at face value.

I've read the same thing about the fear of the Russians and so forth.

Recently it's come to light about the genocide of the Indians in Canada being wiped out.

The wiping out of the Kurds in Iraq and the genocide of Palestinians is on the table. Look up famous Israeli quotes.

Buffalo Bill helped kill off the buffalo to finish off the Indians.

The Indians even moved to Canada and the American Armies pursued them there.

OUR UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT MURDERED INDIANS- MEN WOMEN, AND CHILDREN! I READ SMALL POX WAS IN BLANKETS GIVEN TO THE INDIANS.

The Trail of Tears.

So you're critiquing me on a moot point of land belonging to Mexicans or Indians?

Good! The Mexicans and Spanish, Portuguese, the French ...

So how long should this hub be?

Are you Indian? God bless you! I'm on your side and I will hit your buttons up and will change this hub for a point that is beside the point for the point I'm trying to make.

If you're a Republican- I'm sorry for you and the country.

If you're a Democrat- I'm sorry for you and the country. Have I covered it all?


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Here's another great rad with sources. I really don't care much for sources because everybody lies. But - this is another piece of history and all versions should be made available as possible to gain a true or better perspective.

http://hubpages.com/education/Colonial-Mexico


Gary 5 years ago

Thank you for that enlightening Histography!


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S Leretseh 5 years ago

Some interesting things here, however, IMO, what is interesting is overwhelmed by the minutia of trivial facts - some designed to do nothing more than ridicule or condemn.

First, I always try to caution people in America NOT to use contemporary thoughts / reasoning to judge or gauge your American ancestors.

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“Of course the common man (that would be me) in the United States did not have the right to vote or to stand for office. That right was reserved for those who had reached a certain level of land ownership and personal wealth.”

From the U.S. Constitution:

“The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States…”

…so I don’t know what you’re talking about here. The People (free White people - free Blacks could vote if a state allowed it ) could elect their representatives to the House from their respective congressional districts. Free People could also elect all their individual state representatives. The American federal government’s power was very restricted all the way to the Great Depression. Creating limited federal gov’t and giving individual ‘State’s Rights’ was the desire of the framers of the American Constitution. Also , do you forget the most “common” of all men to serve as President, Mr. Andrew Jackson? Lincoln was also a “common” man.

Further, the American Founding Fathers had no way of knowing if the “common man” was actually capable of exercising political participation. Prior to 1790, what evidence in human history showed they could?

The American Founding Father (note CAPS) were in fact GREAT Americans. They did the best they could with what they had to work with. No society had ever been created without an aristocracy or recognized nobility. They created an Organizing Document (Constitution) unprecedented in human history. It was written vague enough so it be re-interpreted and also amended as times called for, but also written strong enough to maintain the structure of the Union.

Lastly, American’s Organizing Document gave ALL Americans the right to own land and acquire wealth, irrespective of birth. What a bold concept THAT was! They were expected to compete individually against their fellow citizens for wealth, status, power and influence. It was a system designed to allow the best and brightest to rise to the top. With wealth came more political power and influence. Of all their racial cousins, the Americans (in 1790) were the most free people. American’s Organizing Document wasn’t perfect, but it was the BEST ever written for the ”common man.”

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Kennedy’s book ‘Profiles In Courage’ was written by Ted Sorenson.

I think Americans should relish and cherish their great history. Enough said…


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

We've read all that you added here. My quest was not to write all that was written as we read from history books with the homogenized pablum that we already have.

You say,"…so I don’t know what you’re talking about here. The People (free White people - free Blacks could vote if a state allowed it ) could elect their representatives to the House from their respective congressional districts."

Are you an idiot? You do remember blacks in slavery?

Geeze Louise. I can't give you any points for sanity here. I see no point in conversing with you. We have the moronic history you promote. It all looks good on paper. What you fail to admit i9s that these pretty words you refer to are not held up today. If you had a moral compass you would research the "wrongly accused, wrongly imprisoned, the wrongly put to death". That will keep you busy for eternity. How stupidly ludicrous for you to ignore the plight of the common man facing trials with liars for lawyers going to the highest bidders. The rich walk with the most money spent on lawyers. You don't have a clue.Just do a search for court screw-ups in North Carolina.


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EyeWannaKnow 5 years ago from Awakening, America

Very interesting! Is there anyone trustworthy in politics? :D


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Hi EyeWannaKnow! No. Not that I can tell. Folks like this sense of security that Big Brother projects when it's "Big Brother that we should fear. Lawyers don't care about justice. They learn quickly that America is just a huge assembly line. Lawyers know to be "unattached" to their clients in court and their constituents back in the real working America. All we elect are lawyers. They do not care. Thanks for stopping EyeWannaKnow!


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jandee 5 years ago from Liverpool.U.K

Hello Micky,

only read half-will return again after rest ,I'm shattered !!

Good read,jandee


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

This is just stuff that's left out. A lot of people have come to America and these immigrants have done many glorious and inglorious things. Many indigenous people have done great tings too. I pray that we can all rise better to the occasion. Thank you jandee.


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jandee 5 years ago from Liverpool.U.K

I agree Micky, but when all is -blah! blah!- said and done ! It just comes down to Capitalism i.e. divide and rule...one day we will evolve into Socialism but people still need to protest desperately,thanks from jandee


Texasbeta 5 years ago

This just might be the best hub I have read on here. Bravo.


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alternate poet 5 years ago

The interesting thing is that you can do the same for almost any history - dark events and intentions that only benefit the top 1 or 2 % of society. Almost every normal person would behave better, and be unlikely to go to war or many of the other shameful episodes that make up the history of the rich. More real facts about history can only be a good thing.


Capo diCapi 5 years ago

In order to form a more perfect union....thus your whole diatribe is as biased as the history you intend to bash....so you don't live in this God awful country called America do you?! And if you do, do you plan on going back in time and righting all the wrongs or recognizing that men are created in sin and evil from birth, but the full intent of the founding fathers was to break away from tyranny--even at their own hands! Despite your overextended atheist leaning recollection of history, I for one see thru the caca and still know this is the greatest country on earth. Would you also inform your followers of the proposed designs for the first seal, like Moses holding up the rod and dividing the Red Sea!? Or them declaring 'there is no ruler but God and no King but Jesus' (paraphrased).

If you're gonna time warp make sure you account for all occurences not your ad hominem agenda!

And dare I say it I'm black, the slavery bs doesn't work anymore in bashing America...in fact all peoples have owned slaves/servants. Blacks enslaved blacks. Whites, whites. Asians, Asians. What's your f***n point?

Have you seen the "Off the Plantation Thinking" video on YouTube or videos of Thomas Sowell. Cut the s***t.

You sit here and write about this as if readers are supposed to now hate America and not respect the sacrifices those great men made despite shortcomings!

Vulcan FAIL u r!!!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Blah, bla, blah, bla, blah. We have all the history that you and other brainwashers want us to know. Don't tell me how to believe in God or what to believe in this country.

There is a lot of wonderful history about America. And just like all of history it's written by the captors and victors.

I want to know all of history not just what is pleasing to Capo diCapi, George Bush, Obama, and whoever else you want to dredge up.

I believe in God. I know damn well most people will not fight for America or any other.

What's my point? I wrote a hub with facts about our leaders and it doesn't please you. I suggest you read the pablum yoou always read.

I want to truth. I want to know God. I want to have my personal relationship with God and truth.

I fought for my country in Vietnam and I'm never a bumper sticker patriot.

When man leaves the path of the Golden Rule there is pain, suffering, and yes sir there is evil. This country has strayed off the path for hundreds of years.

But let me be perfectly clear- America is barely a country. The rich wander the world and put their sweatshops on islands I've never heard of that are common-wealths of the US. They, like Hilfiger and Calvin DeCline go to wherever they can open a sweatshop. Then they bring their shirts made for pennies and sell them to Americans for %0 to $150. What American can buy that? Meanwhile textiles are closed here in Hillsborough, Mebane, all over NC, SC, etc.

Don't tell me how to be an American. I suggest you get your history back out and tell the whole truth about America, the world, and God.

Your attitude is to follow blindly. I won't. God is first on my list. Not a flag of separation.

I will not teach hate. You're doing that well enough on your own. I didn't make these facts up. Live with them.

Serving lies is to serve Satan.

None of our fore-fathers walked on water. Yes they and others throughout written history had slaves. But you read up on slavery and how it existed before and after America. Shoot! Study any history besides all the brainwashing.

This country is led by lawyers. The scum of the damn earth. There are trials in NC and SC and GA that are bogus and people who are innocent die and are in prison. But these lawyers won't police themselves. And people like you keep electing them to congress and the presidency of the US. Well there will never be a savior to come out of the halls of Harvard or Yale.

I'll never teach people to hate the "America" I fought for and believe in with my heart. But don't even pretend to know how this America or the world operates because you like all other fake patriots who have failed the history lesson.

I will not follow lies- even when America tells them ! My top priority is to obey God. I will not defend a lie. That's Satan's job. Go help Satan out. You're a great little helper.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

alternate poet! "The interesting thing is that you can do the same for almost any history - dark events and intentions that only benefit the top 1 or 2 % of society."

God bless you alternate poet! It is the top 1% of the United States of America that reap the benefits of America. Forget the vote. The world is ruled by power/money. The top !% own the US or more than 80% of Americans and the same ratio, almost, for the rest of the world. With the world in chaos, I say it's time to look that !% over and put their lazy butts to work. There should be no free ride for the 1%!

"More real facts about history can only be a good thing." God bless. Let's speak the truth!


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

As military historian Hugh Bicheno said, “They were no less a self perpetuating oligarchy than the British political establishment, neither elected nor respected by the majority of the people they claimed to represent.”

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

Native Voices: Red Cloud- "If there be an object truly ridiculous in nature", English abolitionist Thomas Day wrote in a 1776 letter, "it is an American patriot, signing resolutions of independency with the one hand, and with the other brandishing a whip over his affrighted slaves."

"Despite the legends, George Washington did not have wooden teeth. In fact, the set of teeth he used in 1789, the year he took his oath of office in New York City, are now on display at Mount Vernon and a picture is available on the Mount Vernon web site.

Washington reportedly had only one of his original teeth left by 1789. John Greenwood made dentures for Washington. The picture shows a denture made of hippopotamus ivory with real human teeth attached by brass screws. The denture, which was anchored on the one remaining tooth in Washington’s mouth, has a hole which fit snugly around the one tooth."

Even today you will see current descriptions of our first president describing him as unable to tell a lie. Of course he lied. He was a man. All men lie and they don't walk on water. There was never a cherry tree that GW chopped down or told the truth about. We don't need lies for America,

I find it fascinating to know that George Washington never had wooden teeth as I was told in school.

So - you blind NON-PATRIOT goose steppers to evil, write your own lying propaganda just like the beginning of the first recorded battle with Rameses. Change the facts to suit your propaganda. My God doesn't need or want your lies. Sell your lie somewhere else.


Mitchina 5 years ago

The quote for Thomas Jefferson is false. Like much of what is written here - "true history" is a misnomer, and oxymoron. If you weren't there, then no one will know the truth. History has been written only to advance one's agenda, not for keeping records of fact, period. "Lies My Teacher Told Me" is a book that has written record of events - this book I believe. This article I do not.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

Mitchina if you're saying that I would write something false then you are in evil's corner.

There is NOBODY seeking truth more than I. And that includes you. This "article" is not false. This is a compilation of statements that I have collected off the net and out of books.

You say, "If you weren't there, then no one will know the truth." Well- you sure weren't there.

I don't like falsified history and falsified present is going to be our falsified future. And you don't don't see that you aren't as smart as act, are, and going to be.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

For some of you folks who will leave a remark like, "Oh, my, this must all be false.", what is your point?

Then you're going to write something like,"If you weren't there, then no one will know the truth."

Duh! DUH! I have news for some of you - Jefferson had an outhouse!

Unlike TV characters- our forefathers used the bathroom EVERY day.

What I am saying here, if nothing else. they were not walking on water and the absolute creeps that occupy our elected positions are horrible. Now- brilliant people, if you have any argument about this statement turn on the TV at election time. But only the ones you don't like will be horrible.

This is the best you can do?


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

The wise man keeps his mouth shut until he knows the truth. The foolish man opens his mouth, and lets out things that aren't true. The evil man tells truth in such a way as to mislead.

This posting is the last of those three.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

You are exactly right! But all of your posts are this way. That's because you have your head up the rich man's @$$. You can't see or smell anything but $#It.

You are the epitome of the traitorous coward. You have nothing for humanity. You are part of the blind nEw WOrLd dI$oRdER.

You serve the rich man.

And you will never keep your stupid, self-brainwashed mouth shut.

You're just one of Satan's little helpers.

That's why your "posts" always smell.

Come up for some air occasionally.


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weholdthesetruths 5 years ago from Western Flyover Country

So, you think you're clever? You can play word games, and be nasty? Come on over... Refute me. You're addressed in one of my hubs. Said the master to apprentice... It's now time to play with the real men... Come try to refute my logic. Just come and read "religion and politics - in the angry style. And then try to yell your way out of the blind alley you pushed yourself into.


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Micky Dee 5 years ago Author

I don't care what you and your Satan does to me. God will take care of it all.

Surrounding yourself with real men - will only take you to your hell faster. I'm just quoting some of That Bible.

But God took care of me when I was in Vietnam and your people won't bother me.

You and your friends can bend space and time.

You'll never bring peace though. It appears.


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braudboy 5 years ago from Long Beach, MS

YOu probably ran out of time or room before you got to the part where America became the beacon of freedom to the world. Where America allowed immigrants from all over the world to come and make a new life for themselves. You probably didn't have time to mention how America saved Europe in WWI and WWII and how America is the caretaker of the world, whether it be a natural disaster, hunger, wars, etc. You probably didn't get around to the part where America, thru their pursuits of freedom and equality, rose to be the greatest nation in the history of mankind. I am just trying to fill in the many blanks you left while trashing your country.


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Topnewhottoys 4 years ago from Salisbury, Maryland

Well, the comment section seems as debatable as the hub.

GA


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Micky Dee 4 years ago Author

Well Tonewhottoys go rewrite it like the leaders always do. I'd say with an avatar like yours - why would you ever care?

I didn't make this stuff up. I got information like everyone else. I read the crap./ Go make up your own lies. If you think that schools have all the history or that America is all pristine clean you are a self- educated idiot. I don't believe America and I wouldn't believe you either. So far you're unimpressive. You seem as though everything you can believe is real. Well that6 mis neo nazi CONservative horse dookey. So are you a Mason or just a henchman?


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Topnewhottoys 4 years ago from Salisbury, Maryland

Well, a bit sensitive are we?

You have jumped to so many conclusions based on uninformed assumptions, I'm almost at a loss as to where to start.

But...

What the hell does my avatar have to do with anything? At least it's me. Even if yours may be you, I don't think it's important unless it is one picked to make a statement. Which mine wasn't. Was yours? Why would you choose to make a judgement of one's caring based solely on a picture of themselves?

My only statement was that both the hub and its comments section were debatable content - is that a lie I just made up? Sounds like an opinion to me.

You also seemed to read a lot into that one statement about the content being debatable - I don't think I said anything supporting our government schools - I am just as frustrated with revisionist history as your hub purports to be. And I am certainly not a fan of our government schools.

And the name calling - really? You put all that effort into a quite lengthy hub, (not a bad thing), and then demean your credibility by resorting to name calling based on a one-line non-specific statement?????

And your "I don't believe America..." -- do you mean you don't believe in America, or the people that promote revisionist history?

ahhh, and the reversion to "...mis neo nazi CONservative horse dookey" - a statement too frequently heard from sloganeers that lack the strength of rational reasoning to support their views. -- but this is the only writing of yours that I have read, so I won't make any rash assumptions... even with the reinforcement of your comments response.

And I don't have a clue what you mean by asking if I am a mason or henchman --- what does that mean??

But I do enjoy lively exchanges, so thanks

GA


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Micky Dee 4 years ago Author

My hubs of DIFFERENT truths are indeed attacked and yes - I'll be serious right now as I contemplate never writing a hub here. Look at the comments here from those who don't like the NEWS.

I have no idea what happened 100 or 200 years ago.

I was not there.

But I know that the American injustice system hasn't worked in 200 years according to its own history.

The problems we have today are from a secret society.

We ?indeed have a secret government. We indeed have secret forces that are united and they covertly influence decisions in every facet of the government.

So yes sir. I'm sensitive.

My hubs are culled here if I write anything that the hubpage right wing doesn't like. This is owned by neo nazi cons who destroy your work, send henchmen by to harass.

Let's face it - not many hubbers here are interested in truth. They don't act on truth or true patriotism.

I write hubs on poetry and I have cycling hubs. They're cute. But these hubs are attacked by some bigots that we can plainly see. I took your first comment to be one from THEM. I can't even be really apologetic because of the harassment I receive. Thanks for stopping by.


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Topnewhottoys 4 years ago from Salisbury, Maryland

@ Mickey Dee - It is understandable that you would receive passionate responses to hubs like this. You are presenting information that could be very controversial.

If you have the strength of belief to present it the way you do - then you should also be prepared to reasonably and rationally defend your work and respond to the criticisms that it is sure to generate.

If not, then your poetry and cycling are probably where you will find the most gratification. Why write it if you don't want to deal with the grief?

Also, name-calling and ad-hominem attacks do nothing more than fuel the fire and demean your credibility. And your negative generalizations about hubbers and people that don't agree with you are probably way off the mark.

But, back to your response to me...

Still wondering what my avatar had to do with anything?

On the bright side - you have encouraged me to look a little deeper into the examples your hub presented. Hopefully I can "back ya up" on some of them - but perhaps in a more neutral manner.

If not... well lively debate is usually a good thing.

GA


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Micky Dee 4 years ago Author

Name calling may work as well as anything.

I can't wake people up by tiptoeing around. I'm a battered Vietnam Veteran that has been pushed over the edge. You and millions more want me to act sane. Good luck.America is asleep at the wheel. She's fallen down and there isn't a God big enough right now to wake her up. But that will change and Americans might seek true history or at least a balance between what we're fed and what is real.

The avatar didn't impress me. I had a friend who had a shirt that said, "The one with the most toys wins."

Well he had my ex-wife. He wins.

I've spent time on America's chain gang for the false crime of having "grains of marijuana" in a can of Prince Albert tobacco. That was a frame-up. So- screw trying to talk Americans into believing shyt.

This country is asleep. Everybody is programmed to work, eat, have sex, go to war, repeat.


mcdonald 4 years ago

the celts(the?? basques(origin of R1b n rh neg blood) are? the original? celts n original europeans? and their descendants? the irish,the scots, the welsh,the? cornish,the bretons and the catalan people) are USA's real forefathers not the anglo saxons...damn jealous liars n manipulators..we are atlanteans n u freaks cant stand it...england's dirty queen is a cheatin n evil illuminati n her dirty kind(jew mixed with saxon) concealed real history...busted bastards...pass it on actively!!!

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