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Obama, the ANTI-American

  1. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago

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    With Obama as president, America does not need any enemies.  In fact, Obama is America's enemy.   First, he blasted the Constitution as an outmoded document.  He showed irreverence for the American flag, refusing to salute the flag.   He furthermore embodied an anti-achievement and anti-success psychology and mindset which penalizes the wealthy and rewards the poor.   He dismissed American exceptionalism,  believing that America is just like any other nation. 

    He then forced Obama"care" on the American public, knowing full well that American healthcare was fine the way it was.  He lied, indicating that if people liked their present healthcare, they can keep it.  However, because of Obama"care", many low cost health plans were cut.   There was also Fast and Furious in addition to the IRS and Benghazi scandals.   Now, there is amnesty which is letting thousands of illegals, some with criminal records and many with no skills, into America which is costing millions of dollars with the result of putting her into more debt.   

    It is apparent that Obama hates America.   He was raised as a socialist with a strong anti-colonialistic bent.  He sees America as a  hegemony on the world stage.  He also views America as an imperialistic nation.  It is his intention that America somehow and some way pay for the sins and mistakes of her past.   It is his intention to reduce America from a first world nation to a third world nation.  He has done little to improve the socioeconomic element of this country.  Instead, he is pushing unworkable social programs which in the end will bankrupt America.   Let's discuss this.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

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    2. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      OOHh... the Obama boogeyman has done it again for sure.

      ....First, he blasted the Constitution as an outmoded document.

      First off the Constitution was created to be re-created and updated as the times change. The crafters of the document made it so with laws that allow it. They were wise enough to see that as the country grew so could the rules that govern it. Wanting to change it is not unheard of and should be a topic of discussion whenever it is appropriate.

      ....He showed irreverence for the American flag, refusing to salute the flag.

      Saluting the flag or not is a persons prerogative. If they are forgetful or not in the mood I guess we should question their motives at the drop of a hat or in this case the wave of a hand. Maybe the altar of the United States of America is a little smudged and dissociative to the needs of its citizenry. Oh wait, that must be the boogeyman Obamas fault as well.

      ....He furthermore embodied an anti-achievement and anti-success psychology and mindset which penalizes the wealthy and rewards the poor.

      Are you talking about the 1% er's! Those poor ultra rich people who are taking a beating with all their accountants and tax dodges. Maybe we should start a collection for the "Save the Rich From The Obama Boogeyman" to protect them from contributing what everybody else is required to pay.

      ....He then forced Obama"care" on the American public, knowing full well that American healthcare was fine the way it was.  He lied, indicating that if people liked their present healthcare, they can keep it.  However, because of Obama"care", many low cost health plans were cut.

      No, Congress's bastardized version of it to include the profit module demanded from the health insurance lobby forced this version on us. Why? Because the diminishing job market has forced many to either pay their higher premiums or do without. The hospitals are required to provide for all even at their own expense. How long do you think they were going to pass that onto us through higher premiums without affecting all of us. And who cut the plans? Instead of the health insurance companies developing an upgrade alternative to adhere to the new mandate they decided to opt out. Why? Profits baby!

      ....He dismissed American exceptionalism,  believing that America is just like any other nation. 

      American exceptionalism? Where are we any different than any other people. We have a democracy much like other nations but man when it comes to the military we are exceptional. We can blow the world up ten times over anybody else. Maybe if we didn't throw that military at every problem in the world like a sledge hammer and tried to work things out more often the rest of the world might look at us as a little exceptional.

      ....There was also Fast and Furious in addition to the IRS and Benghazi scandals.

      Scandals and more scandals as reported by your ever accurate and to the point media circus. What is the next panic of the day as prescribed by these whores? Fast and Furious was a failure. It had too many components relying on informants and drug dealers to do something predictable. Guess what they did what criminals do. Prosper from deception and crime. The IRS was another scandal that has legs because it sounds like something the Boogeyman Obama might do. And Benghazi? Why don't we do like they do in the movies and trigger a hit on the perpetrators outside the gate from outer space in real time. Really?

      ....Now, there is amnesty which is letting thousands of illegals, some with criminal records and many with no skills, into America which is costing millions of dollars with the result of putting her into more debt.

      "Letting" thousands of illegals into the country. Texas' own fences can't keep them out. Processing these people is going to take billions to effect and with all the cooperation The Obama Boogeyman is getting in Congress where is the money to come from? Some estimate as much as 4 or 5 billion just to start.

      ....It is apparent that Obama hates America.   

      Apparent to you and the right. This is judgment you have made and based on the previous statements one on a shaky foundation.

      ....He was raised as a socialist with a strong anti-colonialistic bent.

      I don't know I lived in Hawaii for eight years around the same time he was there and I did not know the state had seceded from the union and it was certainly not anywhere I would consider colonialist bent. Hawaii is about as democratic as it comes.

      ....He sees America as a  hegemony on the world stage.  He also views America as an imperialistic nation.

      Yeah that is why we have pulled out of Iraq and are pulling our troops from Afghanistan. Because we want to dominate. That is why we are signing trade agreements (much to my chagrin) to allow other trading partners. And why wouldn't an Imperialistic country rush back to assure protection of their gains in Iraq if that were true.

      .... It is his intention that America somehow and some way pay for the sins and mistakes of her past.

      A spoken apology is making the US pay how. C'mon get off your high horse and get real. To acknowledge a wrong in the past and a nominal gesture is far from earth shattering.

      ....He has done little to improve the socioeconomic element of this country.  Instead, he is pushing unworkable social programs which in the end will bankrupt America.

      What can he do? Every step he takes is resoundly thrown back at him. Even on issues the GOP agrees with. You think that there is amnesia here? The GOP has declared all out war on The Obama boogeyman and will stop at nothing to make it so. He was given the country on the brink of another great depression but has staved it off because of his policies the GOP can't touch. That is what pisses them off more than anything. The last great depression took eleven years to come back from. What soup kitchen have you had to go to recently.

      ....Let's discuss this.

      This is and never was to be a discussion. You just wanted to start a bitch session on The Obama Boogeyman.

      If you want some discussion about his faults such as the lack of prosecution of the bankers who gambled us into the 2008 meltdown or the refusal to run his own campaign without federal funding going back on a promise not to do so. Or maybe there is the escalation of illegal wire taps and web intrusion that would be a good topic. But Boogeyman discussions are what the media thrives on and they should be ashamed of themselves. How about you?

      1. wilderness profile image94
        wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Just a couple of replies to that big list:

        "Saluting the flag or not is a persons prerogative."  Not for the commander in chief of the country's military, it isn't.  Or for the President of the United States, for that matter.

        "Texas' own fences can't keep them out."  And the administration went after Arizona for trying to enforce FEDERAL laws after this administration refuses to fulfill it's constitutional requirement of "securing our national borders".  We've seen the result of any state trying to protect the borders; the administration sues them to force them to let the illegals in.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Because, as we all know, the Europeans came to America legally. They totally didn't drain the country's resources or commit crimes against the native inhabitants at all.

          To everyone who freaks out about illegal immigrants: If you're going to be serious about deporting foreigners, be goddamn serious about it and deport yourself first.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Can you point to the law prohibiting Europeans from entering the continent prior to 1500? 


            No?  The can we stop with the "Europeans were criminals for stepping foot on the North American continent" nonsense?

            1. John Holden profile image60
              John Holdenposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Actually a lot of the first Europeans to descend on America did so precisely because they were criminals.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                They were indeed; Jamestown Landing was part penal colony.

                But that doesn't mean there was a law prohibiting entering the continent, which was what was insinuated.

                1. John Holden profile image60
                  John Holdenposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I know but I do like to remind some people of where they came from lol

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                    retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Mine came from County Roscommon, Ireland and Galway.

              2. maxoxam41 profile image78
                maxoxam41posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for reminding us. We tend to forget that our roots come from the dregs of the European society. I never forgot it.

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          retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Let's also remember that the mechanism the founders left for modifying the Constitution was by Amendment not by Court or Executive Fiat.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Precisely. What part of the Constitution has The Obama Boogeyman changed?

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              retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

              He is unconstrained by his Constitutionally charged duties, but don't worry while it all crashes down.

              http://cjonline.com/opinion/2013-08-17/ … nstitution

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Good article and especially the end where congress panicked when it found a clause that did not preclude them from compulsory participation with the ACA. As far as The Obama Boogeyman acting against the constitution where is it in the law that the Supreme Court did not uphold the passing of? You see there are precedents and even the most beloved supreme master "W" did things in which he should be on trial for in the Hague. But I digress. Wasn't it he who pioneered the appointments agenda while congress was out of session. Hell our most famous president Abraham Lincoln suspended writ of habeas corpus against the constitution. With a congress dedicated to stop "EVERYTHING" he does I guess The Obama Boogeyman can twist a few rules based on a personal vendetta against him.

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                  retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  "W," who? You mean that old man that mountain bikes with wounded veterans? Him, was he president? That was so long ago. He hasn't been President in years and years. I thought we were living in the now.

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                  retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Recess appointments pre-date George W. Bush and if Congress had been in recess Obama's NLRB appointments would have been Constitutional. It was not in recess and therefore his NLRB appointments were UnConstitutional. Perhaps a familiarity with the ruling would help.

                  The "stop everything" dodge is, yet again, a half truth. Harry Reid takes up no legislation coming from the House and the House gets blamed by Obama and the LEFTIES in the Press repeat, repeat, repeat until the marginally aware buy the lie.

                  Obama has a phone, a pen and a voice - let him do what a good Commander in Chief would do, put troops on the border. He doesn't need Congress for that - it is one of his many neglected, ignored, or twisted Constitutionally charged responsibilities.

                  Obviously the Presidential Oath isn't worth a good squat in the woods.

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    ....The "stop everything" dodge is, yet again, a half truth. Harry Reid takes up no legislation coming from the House and the House gets blamed by Obama and the LEFTIES in the Press repeat, repeat, repeat until the marginally aware buy the lie.

                    Half truth! lol The Obama Boogeyman has been stopped at every step of the way to enact anything that resembles leadership. The few bills that have gotten by have been stripped of meaningful change because he tried to placate the House. What a joke. Rose colored glasses will not clean up the GOP intentions.

                    ....Obama has a phone, a pen and a voice - let him do what a good Commander in Chief would do, put troops on the border. He doesn't need Congress for that - it is one of his many neglected, ignored, or twisted Constitutionally charged responsibilities.

                    lol That's a good one. Lets put combat troops on the border to accomplish civilian operations. He has asked for funding but we know where that is going as to funding anything The Obama Boogeyman wishes to do because it is what? Unpatriotic? Have we learned nothing from the failed attempts at controlling civil or political matters with boots on the ground? Remember Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. They were crowning achievements of crowd control.

                    The simplest solution to the illegal immigrant problem is refuse to allow them work. But corporations like Agriprocessors and Tysons rely on the illegals to pad their wallets and if the government clamped down on more of these sweat shop slave labor companies there would be a big drought in campaign funding. We can't have that can we?

                    ....Obviously the Presidential Oath isn't worth a good squat in the woods.

                    And neither is putting all the problems of the country on his shoulders.

  2. Sychophantastic profile image80
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    The 17,000 stock market and 6.1% unemployment rate along with 52 straight months of private sector job growth really do suck.

    1. Shawn McIntyre profile image86
      Shawn McIntyreposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      That's not totally accurate. The Household Survey puts unemployment at 6.1%, but that's like looking at the top number on your paycheck. What really matters is your "take home" pay, and for employment that's the U-6 number, which is double at 12.1%. That's the real unemployment rate because that's the one that tracks with consumer spending in the GDP.

      As for the 52 months of Job Growth, that's accurate but misleading (albeit unintentional I'm sure). Depending on who you ask, we need to add anywhere from 100,000 - 125,000 jobs a month just to keep up with the population growth, so essentially, every month when the Jobs Report comes out, subtract 100,000 from that, and that's how many jobs were actually added.

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      A stock market predicated on wide open taps from the Fed. An unemployment rate that reflects the mass exodus from the job market. Anemic job growth, at best.

      Let's remember the 17000 figure when that government caused bubble bursts, like they all do eventually. Will lefties be touting that great triumph?

      The work force participation rate is the lowest it has been in decades and steadily declining since Obama's election.

      http://ycharts.com/indicators/labor_for … ation_rate

      Crumby job creation numbers for a "recovery"

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasha … wn-to-6-6/

      A miserable recovery by any standard.

      http://www.front-lines.com/2014/01/reag … ition.html

      FDR did better with worse.

      http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/oba … 40453.html

      Oh, and HOW IS THAT GDP - a real number that tells about America's real economic health. Here comes the predicted DOUBLE DIP. A direct consequence of a government created economy rather than a real one.

      http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-s-gdp- … 1403699600

      Best President since before the Great Society.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … t-match-h/

      Keep worshiping while America burns.

  3. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago

    ANTI-American?  He was elected twice by a majority of voters who apparently find his values to be more to their liking than the alternative.  Are we all anti-American?

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      No, just those who voted for Obama.

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, RETIEF.    Of course those who voted for Obama are anti-American.  Look at what Obama has done.   He has caused America to be disrespected around the world.  He has put OTHER nations before America.   He strongly believes that America is not an exceptional nation but is like other nations.   He has NO respect for the Constitution.   He increased entitlements and instituted Obama"care".  We have yet to know what really happened regarding Benghazi.  Then there are the IRS scandals and the "losing" of important IRS documents.  Hmmmm, what else, there is the INFLUX of illegals who are taxing our already overburdened social system. Obama is making America quite unrecognizable.  By the time he's finished, America ISN'T going to be the nation she once was but the LIEberals don't care at all; in fact, they will be GLAD and ECSTATIC!

        1. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Considering we have murderous imperialism, segregation, and genocide on our resume, that can't be a bad thing.

        2. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yes the sky is falling and the egg on our faces shows the world what cowards and idiots we are. OOOHHH The Obama Boogeyman is coming to getcha!

          Makes about as much sense as your post doesn't it? lol

  4. maxoxam41 profile image78
    maxoxam41posted 2 years ago

    It is not what Webster Griffith Tarpley said about Obama. He's from the Ford Foundation, he's Zbigniew Brzezinski's student/puppet, his policies are printed with the Chicago school's stamp. He bails out Wall-Street and have the poor pay for their mistakes. He drones, finances djihadists in the Middle East... PURE PRODUCT OF NEOLIBERALISM.

  5. Sychophantastic profile image80
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    Many people simply don't seem to understand that much presidential action is set by precedent. Obama is able to do what he's doing because past Presidents did the same thing, usually to a larger degree.

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      So Obama's abuse of his executive authority is Bush's fault, wow!

      1. Sychophantastic profile image80
        Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Nowhere did I say President Obama's use of executive action was anyone's fault, but Presidents throughout history base their decisions on precedent many times and they test the waters by pushing the limits of those precedents.

        If I must, Bush's use of executive actions was derided by Democrats at the time, and no doubt Republicans should now be regretful for what Bush did because Obama gets to do the same thing. And no doubt Democrats will be regretful in the future when Republicans push it more, and so on.

    2. GA Anderson profile image87
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Yup, it's like deja vu all over again - just different wheels squealing.

      But, sometimes the opposition is more fundamental than just political leanings, and I think our current situation, with regards to the flood of illegal children immigrants, and the change in the perception of the U.S., (I know that's a very broad point - but I think a defensible one), in the world's eyes can be laid squarely on this president's shoulders.

      GA

  6. Sychophantastic profile image80
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    I'm just talking about the whole dust-up about Presidential actions in general. The Democrats had the same criticism of Bush when he was in office. But of course, he simply expanded on what had been done by Clinton.

    And retief2000, aren't you like Hubpages version of a welfare recipient? You contribute nothing to the site in the form of hubs, but you take, take, take in every other way.

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Poor bait yields a poor catch, dear.

  7. MG Singh profile image84
    MG Singhposted 2 years ago

    Very easy to condemn Obama. Without being racial  I was in USA just 2 months back, the whites were more vociferous against him than blacks.  It takes to courage to appreciate any good he has done. He is the first president who stopped the war culture as done by previous presdents that destroyed the economy.

    1. GA Anderson profile image87
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      You are correct, it does take courage to appreciate whatever good he has done. But why is that so? And the determination of that "good" is almost wholly a political one - so I won't argue that here, but... is ending our presence in Afghanistan what you mean by stopping the war culture?

      GA

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        So when Afghanistan becomes a staging ground for the invasion of Pakistan and the goal is Pakistani nukes, will there be a reawakening of the war culture just in time to save what is left of India, Israel, Turkey, Lebanon, Cyprus, Egypt, etc?

  8. Sychophantastic profile image80
    Sychophantasticposted 2 years ago

    Just glossed over that illegal immigration point. The problem is solved when the businesses who hire them are shut down. But nobody has the guts to do that. Not Obama. Not the GOP. Not anyone.

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      That is the most sensible and enforceable solution. The problem with this whole mess is everyone points to the other as the perpetrator and assumes no responsibility in the process. Why? Because they benefit from the situation. McDonalds might stop operating and the slaughter houses will come to a grinding halt without the slave labor.

      If you hold the employers accountable with a competent ID system that identifies the legals from the illegals this would come to a very quick end. If it gets in the way of profits rather than bolstering profits then it will end very quickly. Americans respond very quickly to their money problems.

 
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