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Democrats only vote for candidates to retain 'services'?

  1. Credence2 profile image85
    Credence2posted 5 months ago

    I guess I get kind of annoyed when I constantly hear many conservatives say that Democrats get their votes from people who only want to retain their Government benefits.

    I can think of a lot of people that would be concerned about maintaining benefits that: federal pensioners, retired military, social security recipients, medicare, etc.  Lets  not forget the Active military and the federal work force.

    This presupposes that the Conservatives have such altruistic natures and do not vote for things solely in their interest. Really? What about the cultural conservatives, or the gun rights people? What about ideas of less federal regulation, that would benefit them and their businesses but impose burdens on the rest of us. What about the massive military outlay that enriches the corporate classes at the expense of the rest of us.

    Our Constitution support the idea of one man/one vote. It does not speak of 'money' as being the equivalent of political selections made by the ballot.

    So why are conservatives different?

    1. GA Anderson profile image85
      GA Andersonposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Oh my! You have been nipping from my martini pitcher haven't you?

      What a mess.

      When conservatives speak of Dems getting their votes from entitlement voters do you really think it is those folks you mentioned that they have in mind? I would think it is the welfare safety net programs they speak of.

      Of course folks vote in their own interests relative to social issues, Right and Left. Would you expect it to be otherwise?

      Also, our Constitution does not speak of "one man one vote." It speaks of proportional representation. I think it was the Court that that coined the term when it addressed that issue.

      Drawing on my admittedly poor memory, let me ask you to revisit some of your thoughts on that "Democrats get their votes from people who only want to retain their Government benefits" point relative to your perceptions of your time in Hawaii.

      GA

      1. Credence2 profile image85
        Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Who they have in mind, according to Romney that was 47% of the American electorate?

        I don't think that many people are on 'welfare'.

        Of course folks vote their interests, it is just when I hear conservatives talk the progressives interests are selfish and theirs are not.

        My point is that everyone has the right to vote, regardless of why they vote for the candidates they do. Thanks, you are right about the courts coining the phrase.

        Yep, I have had  problems with the Hawaii (Big Island) social services net, as it is more of a hammock. But there are no jobs, and people vote to sustain a system that enhances their survival under that circumstance. That is not unnatural. If you have a problem with it, you can move elsewhere. As the people have spoken, as to how they want county resources applied in that county.

        1. tirelesstraveler profile image87
          tirelesstravelerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Last government statistics noted 51% of the population of U S don't pay taxes. Maybe not welfare, but not doing well

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Don't pay federal income tax. But there are other taxes that they do pay. Sales tax, state income taxes for example. There are a lot of 'fat cats' that don't pay along with deductions for whatever reasons and elderly and others that simply do not have the income to tax.

            1. tirelesstraveler profile image87
              tirelesstravelerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Not all states have sales taxes.

        2. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          "I don't think that many people are on 'welfare'."

          Did you include those getting food stamps?  Free/reduced lunch for their kids?  Obamacare subsidies?  Section 8 housing?  Free/reduced health care for their kids?  Free/reduced utility bills?  Free cell phones?  Help with day care?  Free mass transit?  There are a thousand ways to get what you are "entitled" to from government programs and it should not surprise you that half the country gets something (I do not include SS, unemployment insurance, etc. that you have paid for).

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Getting something is not universal welfare....

            I imagine that you are getting something as well, so what is it?

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              The state pays my wages but I work many more hours in a week then what they actually pay me for.  Otherwise, I don't get anything from the government.

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Thank you for that, the public sector still provides you with your means of support. You have a job, that is alot in my opinion, with all the benefits afforded public sector employees.

                1. colorfulone profile image88
                  colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Sorry, I didn't explain that well.  The state pays a privet agency that employees me, they pay me the bulk and keeps a small part of the money for operation costs.  I don't get benefits from the government, or paid by them directly.  Sorry about that.   

                  The government decides how many hours I can work per day and get paid for.  Believe me, I am not complaining, I am grateful.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    This is a straight shoot, Colorfulone.

                    You are a government contractor, your job is funded by taxpayer funds from the State coffers.

                    I am glad that you are gainfully employed.

                2. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  And gives something back (labor) in return.  What does the government get back for the food stamps given out?

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    So given that you are an older fellow you are not receiving anything from the state that is not subsidized by others?

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Sure thing!  I get SS, which I paid dearly for for 40 years only to find politicians had "invested" it extremely unwisely (spending it on their pet projects) and I thus have very little left. 

              Other than that, nothing.

            3. tirelesstraveler profile image87
              tirelesstravelerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Big tax bills. Big fines for watering my yard, and burning on spare the air days to name just a little of what I get.

    2. ahorseback profile image47
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      The entitlements of corporate America were" not voted" in by conservative voters  , Nor were the extremely rapid expansions  of  the   government entitlement jobs voted into place.  Conservatives are about the very language and terminology of Conserving  !   Small non- intrusive central government , LOWER taxation  ,    a strong presence in military protectionism .   

      It is the liberal nanny state of mind that has increased  taxations ,  diminished personal liberties  , driven the social revolutions that  formed the two -parent working necessity ! Jesus ......where does it end with liberal  gimmes ?   When will you be happy ? ---------- When liberal junior's grandchildren have  a guaranteed minimum income .   

      Yes , no longer the conserving  , minimum wage or  basic social services ! Liberals won't be happy until there are essentially no taxes ,   no jobs required and  a guaranteed  nanny state  federal government regular monthly check ,.  There used to be a time when a government job even , meant lower pay  but longer term retirement benefits  .   That changed completely with liberal causes ,unions , expanded services , expanded government  employee-ship  ,   cell phone distribution ,"earned income "   tax breaks for larger families who get back from IRS way  more than they pay in  ., As if "earned "  were a term that any liberal that I know fully understood the meaning of !

      You know I'm right - give it up !

  2. tirelesstraveler profile image87
    tirelesstravelerposted 5 months ago

    We have reached the point where people are voting for cake and circuses. The few who stand on principal are called nasty names. What sounds like good things to vote for always pass in California. The problem is we have been voting the same things repeatedly. In 1972 we voted to increase the sales tax to bring the train to our area. I personally have seen this come up 3 other times. Still there is no train. - The good people of our town just voted a bond to help schools.  All school money goes through the state coffer. The state takes what it wants then tells the schools they get about 1/2. The money is coming from an increase in property taxes. The average property owner increased their property taxes by $24/ hundred thousand property tax assessment. There were three bonds with assessments like that which passed. I estimate my property taxes on 2 small houses will increase nearly $800 this year. Most won't know why their bill increased.
    There is no difference between conservatives and others. Mostly because information is not true . Our voter guide says on page 2 the information in the book may be accurate or not. Heard a song this morning. God is great, beer is good and people are crazy. Pretty much sums life in the US

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

      thanks, Tirelesstraveller. Waste, fraud and abuse is not acceptable from either side. Where has all the money gone? Who is to be held accountable?

      1. tirelesstraveler profile image87
        tirelesstravelerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Part of it goes to commissions that were originally set up to last a couple of years and 35 years later someone is still being paid to keep the office open. There is lots of that kind of thing. There is also the shell game with educational money. Lotto was for schools. They gave the lotto money to schools and took the school money for th general fund.

  3. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 5 months ago

    Meme time!   

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