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Democrats Using Sex and Race to Hyper-Control its Voters ?

  1. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Whatever you do follow those party lines or pay for it dearly , you WILL be shamed ?

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      There is no argument for this one because liberals , here especially , know I'm right .

      1. Ewent profile image87
        Ewentposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        With the right wing today, most of who are high school dropouts, barely employed and live off "liberal" donor states tax dollars, it's always looking to be "right" without any substantial evidence or proof.

        So when a right wing so called conservative goes for the "shame" card, you do have to wonder how they are NOT justifiably ashamed of the moron they elected to occupy the White House.

        As a woman, I grew up with that Trump face in our NJ/NY papers every week. He was either photographed with Mommy Mary Ann wearing the same hairstyle or he always had some arm candy dangling off his arm as if that would send the message he is the most desirable man on planet earth. Think again. But, that superiority act is just that..an act. When pitted against experts and true CEO professionals, Trump comes up the loser as is proven by the fact that Charles and David Koch are No. 1 and No. 2 of the top 10 wealthiest in the US and Trump is No. 200. Don't expect the right wing to believe this. La La land for them is reality.

        As a woman, I find it immensely amusing that Trump considers his porn model wife to be the ideal woman and his daughter Iskanka, whom he once told a Vanity Fair interviewer: "Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your 14 year old daughter, than your wife?" His then wife was the Georgia Peach,Marla Maples, not exactly an uggo.

        Women with brains are anathema to the most grossly insecure men. These are the men who loved when the Neanderthals dragged their women around by their hair inside the caves. These are also the men who as young kids cheered when Big Daddy beat Big Mommy to show his oh so masculine power.

        And then? Boomer women came along in the 60s and realized that they simply would not give up another 40 years of their lives to womanizers, gamblers, boozers and druggies, not to mention take the kind of physical and mental abuse these freaks of nature get their jollies from.

        Democrats are proud of their accomplishments. The right wing conservative Republicans have NOTHING to be proud of and everything to be ashamed of.

        When a weasel from Janesville, WI, one of the US's top poorest cities, like Paul Ryan whose Mommy lived off SSDI when his Daddy died seeks to steal the payroll deductions taken by the government for over 4 decades, you see why the right wing has to lie.

        What they want is to be able to live it fast and easy and never have to break a sweat. They can get that in prison too if they continue to shamefully break our laws.

        Ever notice how it's always the right wing men who so fear being outnumbered in government by women that are the ones who do all the reputation smearing to try and make themselves look good? Take the hint. It's not working anymore.

        Sexual harassment isn't about any political party. It is a about grossly insecure males who treat women like sex objects and if women want to hold a job must open their legs. Not anymore.

        1. Credence2 profile image79
          Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

          OUCH!!!!!!

          Always bothered me, when Michelle Obama was criticized for wearing a sleeveless blouse, while Trump has a wife who had no objections in her life to opening her legs in a glossy photo spread for all to see, is different?

          For the conservative, morally or the call for it has always been part of their modus operandi, call it the "expedient tool" in their toolbox.

          1. ahorseback profile image77
            ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            There's our left again "Bimbo ing "an individual woman  and glorifying women's causes by the whole .

            They sure know how to embrace hypocrisy .

    2. Credence2 profile image79
      Credence2posted 5 months agoin reply to this

      So, what are we babbling about now, Ahorseback?

      So whose panty lines are you following?

      Let us not believe that your conservative/ GOP/rightwinger types are so virtuous and noble and pure in thought as to not need your own dirty affiliations?

      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        You said it , "your own dirty affiliations " finally someone admits their party truth .

  2. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 months ago

    Have you seen the new tax bill? Talk about holding congressmen to party loyalty - and the country be damned.  No republican can ever claim to be fiscally conservative - not with a straight face.

    1. ahorseback profile image77
      ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      To Bad , we get a tax break with tax revenues to be cut , you'll have to give up an entitlement . Whats the big deal .

      The democrats couldn't do it !

      1. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        I sometimes wonder (as I'm sure you do with me) whether you get your news off the inside of a bathroom stall wall.

        Kathleen is right. Suddenly fiscal conservatives are fiscal liberals. Fiscal conservatives have been crowing about the importance of the national debt, but now that they have their hands on the purse strings, they're handing out "tax cuts" mostly to corporations and the wealthy and dramatically raising the national debt.

        Further, they're claiming yet again, that trickle down economics works, when that claim is provably false. Giving tax breaks to corporations and the wealthy does not trickle down to the rest of us. In fact, it's the opposite. Put money in the hands of the middle class, and they spend it and it benefits corporations and the wealthy.

        A recent study found that virtually everyone - Republicans and Democrats - when asked to balance the budget - raises taxes on the wealthy and corporations. In fact, we all agree that those doing well should pay more.

        Generally, even Republican lawmakers agree that this "tax cut" is paying off their big donors. Without it, none of them would stay in office (and, of course, the Democrats pay off their own supporters in different ways).

        That said, if you're a Republican and support this tax cut, don't ever complain about the federal deficit again.

        1. ahorseback profile image77
          ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          As long as conservatives  cut entitlement spending , grants and subsidies as they are all taxes ,  I'll be happy . The idiocy of an ideology that supposes a  "cost "  involving--- tax cuts-- almost surprises me . 
          Explain please the increase in deficit by cutting taxes and so the spending behind them ?

          Do you see why the smartest democrats probably  got a  C- in economics ?

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            That's the whole point. I understand economics just fine. There are tax cuts without equal cuts in spending.

            Frankly, if Republicans want to balance the budget, they can start with all the red states that get more from the federal government than they pay in. Of course, if they do that, they likely won't get those votes.

            1. ahorseback profile image77
              ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

              Kind of like the blue states ,  highways funds for abortions ? EPA clean up grants for free day care , Low interest college loans where the principle  say nothing  about the interest rates  never paid off ?   Blue states where the highest property taxes in the world were invented ?

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                Aw, now who needs economics explained to them? You know, most blue areas are urban, so the demand for space is high and thus, property taxes are likely to be high. Supply and demand, you know.

                That said, and I've never asked this before, but do you live in a very rural place?

                I ask because I think, if you live in a place where you do not receive services for your tax dollars, I can understand more not being too keen on paying any taxes and resenting those who get services from tax money.

                1. ahorseback profile image77
                  ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                  I do live in a rural town , 12  -acres of land ,couple hundred thousand dollar house , $ 1,300 per year property taxes , schools , infrastructure , highway services  ,  health clinics ,  municipal services , ........
                  My friend in rural Jersey has a $ 400,000 home , quarter acre , has all the same services and a $14,000 dollar a year tax .

                  What amount of "Blue " services is worth that difference exactly ?   I'll take my home in NH .You can have your overpriced  city graft and corruption , welfare work forces , subsidized universities ,tax free  colleges ,rent free projects , All in your little piece of blue heaven.

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    So I guess I understand your conservatism. It's true that rural areas tend to be more conservative and urban areas are more liberal. Some of that has to do with the increased infrastructure costs. Some of that has to do with the increased exposure to the many different kinds of people.

                    Again, economics on the tax thing. There is a higher demand for space in denser areas. There are more police, more fireman, more water works employees, more public transportation, more roads...

                    Presumably you understand this.

                    The other reason for the property taxes being high is the potential for land appreciation and home appreciation is high due to demand. It's factored into the calculation. I think my property taxes are 11k, but I'm in a low property tax state and my house is worth a lot.

                  2. Aime F profile image84
                    Aime Fposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    I thought you moved to California to influence all the poor, mislead liberal voters?

          2. greenmind profile image97
            greenmindposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            What on earth do you mean by this?
            "The idiocy of an ideology that supposes a  "cost "  involving--- tax cuts-- almost surprises me .
            Explain please the increase in deficit by cutting taxes and so the spending behind them ?"
            It almost sounds like you don't understand that cutting taxes = less money to pay all of the gov bills = higher deficit. But excuse me, I went to college, so I'm pretty stupid about this kind of thing.

            1. ahorseback profile image77
              ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

              You must be simple , 5- 1 +4   right ?      If I cut the tax money I take out of your pocket , by say 10 % ,     How on earth does that cost anybody anything ?
              Cut taxes ,.......... here it is !........cut spending to go along with it !

              Pretty simple to me , or should you go back to college !

  3. Credence2 profile image79
    Credence2posted 5 months ago

    “We’re going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit,” the Death Ferret  (Ryan) said while being interviewed on a radio talk show. Medicare and Medicaid “are the big drivers of the debt” Speaker Paul Ryan explained. “That’s where the problem lies, fiscally speaking.”

    Do you see the genius at work here? I mean, just look at them! First they pass a so-called “tax cut” that actually raises taxes on tens of millions of lower and middle class Americans while cutting taxes on millionaires and billionaires and adding trillions to the deficit. Then they use the increase in the deficit to justify cutting the two federal programs that actually work to aid the people whose taxes they just raised.

    GOP= America's slow poison...

  4. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    I mean isn't the scaled savings or loss by organized oversight  then the same by either , the complication  of large size or the simplicity of smaller size ?  No matter the entity , police , highways ,etc... ? Having  a more compacted residence , either a homeowner or a renter , the tax revenues per capita and so the costs , should be the same per person. 

    The higher the compacted residence although more required services , the more tax resources . The cheaper costs should be ?

    1. greenmind profile image97
      greenmindposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I honestly can't understand a word you're trying to say.

      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        Must be a democrat . What that means is that you don't want to understand .

  5. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Wilderness , Been looking up stats to find out stuff , they seem  all over the place , enough to confuse the whole issue.    Crime varies , revenue spending varies , resources too. You know one thing that always bothers me is cost studies by cities ,states , towns .  Wouldn't you think another entity already knows for instance , the cost of  cleaning public drinking water per gallon or  why chipmunks eat annual  flowers in the park ?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      Chipmunks, maybe.  Cost of cleaning water (from 1000 different sources, with 1000 different pollutants 1000 different levels of pollutant, with 1000 different types and ages of equipment), not a chance.

      Is one reason crime varies so widely in small towns because there is so little of it, so when something happens it skews the figures for the one year far, far from what they were?  I'd think a 10 year average would be the thing to use for towns, rather than a yearly compilation.  Just thinking out loud, but it does make sense, at least to me.

      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        Living rural , about fifteen years ago , I went to a fish and game seminar about hunting ethics , crimes , introducing kids into the field etc.........Warden says ," in the last couple of decades normally urban crimes have evolved to the rural areas , dope growing , drug running , human trafficing  ,the  ditching of stolen property and bodies ,  ........It's all becoming a little "muddier "......?   

        Being's I'm  from managing in  the construction trades , one of my pet peeves has always been waste  , redundancy in all costs of doing business  ,   Now , municipally I see incredible waste simply from non-pruductivity for one  .or  from say each rural town having a road grader , or any little used piece of equipment ,  to say each small town paying for certain things that could be easily shared among towns.  Interestingly in Vermont , the state just passed legislation to combine school district  supervisory unions  , does a couple of  things , makes it cheaper for all small towns and reduces state grants and funding   reduces office help.

        Just thinking .............

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          Interestingly, the school district I live in is the largest in the state.  Not because my town is so large, but because it includes half the major city next door in an effort to control management costs.  It's been that way for decades. 

          Good to see Vermont taking the road conservative Idaho has followed for years.

          1. ahorseback profile image77
            ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Hey I see yesterday Idaho Is the fastest growing state in the union today .
            Be vigilant !

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

              It is.  And to our great dismay, a great many are coming in from California, and then demanding that we convert to the brand of socialism that caused the problems they were trying to leave behind.  Pretty scary, but I figure I'll be dead and gone before there are enough of them to cause real problems.

              1. ahorseback profile image77
                ahorsebackposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                That exact mentality is whats destroying northern and rural New England , City escapees who rebuild the rural towns to that which they ran from , hence the tax revenues and spending we've been discussing .

                -It totally bankrupted Vermont in less than twenty years
                -Corporate entities are escaping these area's by the hundreds-jobs too
                -Property taxes have doubled ,tripled , guad.
                -Urban crimes have immigrated with them
                -Their stretched economy has driven graduates  out of northern N.E.
                -Family farms gone because of increased property values C.O.D business

                Can't move to the country without the luxuries they left behind , sidewalks ,
                streetlights , community transportation , more schools, museums etc.....
                Remember the picturesque Vermont , barns , three colored cows in the pastures , horses in the fields , ........it's all new Mcmansions , paved driveways , metal sided  malls , new foreign car dealerships , overtaxed police , municipal  infrastructures ,
                pave those gravel roads , increases in traffic .

          2. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Socialism?

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

              May be.  One person's socialism is another's cooperation.  But when there are no losers, when no one is required to pay for another person's wants, it's hard to see the socialism.  In this case it seems just a way to cut costs, not to squeeze more money to give away.

    2. Ewent profile image87
      Ewentposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      The reality is that there are ONLY 7 US states who have the highest taxes in the country, totally attributable to the fact these 7 states get 55 cents for every $1 they pay in federal taxes. While the remaining Republican "receiver" states get from $1.35 up to Alaska's $1.87. (Ref: GAO.gov report 2014).

      Now with the new tax law, these 7 states can no longer continue to increase state taxes to flush it to Republican states all while our states struggle to meet our states' needs.

      The Republican states are in for a huge surprise. Since all federal taxes coming from the states sit in state treasuries until they are dispersed to the Fed, these states might just refuse to turn over all of that SS, Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention double taxation from state income taxes, property taxes and sales taxes.

      Guess what happens to the GOP states when they don't live off Dem state tax dollars?

  6. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    So many of you honestly can't get this  ?    That if the  taxes taken away from you are cut  AND the cost of the government's doing business is cut as well ,  that you STILL think of this as the "cost " of the tax cut ?

    I must be  trapped in a alternate universe .

  7. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 5 months ago

    lol Pot calling  the kettle......

  8. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Here AGAIN , when liberals cant win a political argument , it's
    right wing ;|
    -ignorance
    -inbreeding
    -rednecking
    -stubborn
    -racist
    -bigotry 

    Now , no political party has ever shown more hypocrisy to women then todays democrats , who collectively honor and personally condemn as in the Clinton hypocrisies , I'm not only talking about Bill but Hilary ,   I mean how does "Litigated Bimbo's " describe women today , how does it honor you ? So yes let's weaponize a few celebrities for effect and chastise the entire gender personally by naked  hypocrisy .  What ,as long as "my man " is in power and not yours , is That the new woman's cause  ?
    Personally , I think women have come a long ways and I'm proud of that , but  individually some of you  are your own worst enemy supporting such political hypocrisy .

 
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