Trump: One way or another Mexico will pay for the wall? Yeah right..

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Credence2posted 7 years ago
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Mexico tells the Trump administration to 'take a hike'.
Now the GOP is going to pay for it? How?

Do we declare war on Mexico?

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I say that this whole thing was a 'crock' from the very beginning.
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ahorsebackposted 7 years ago
By changing the process of giving Mexico fifty million U.S. dollars a year almost every single year in foreign aid to help a nation that sends it's undesirables and unemployable to us . , Let's pay for it ourselves now and do exactly as Trump says "-- Use foreign aid payments of the next 20 years to "pay for the wall ". Simply put , If Mexico , which has an extremely restrictive immigration policy of it's own , doesn't use foreign aid to better their own people ---lets do it for them .
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I follow your point, but 50 million is a paltry sum relative to cost of such a project.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Defunding sanctuary cities would save billions, maybe billions.
  
  Maybe once the general brainwashed public realizes all the crimes done by illegal immigrants they will have a change of mind and heart about them coming here illegally. Maybe some that aren't too far gone can 'get it'. I'm happy steps are being made to design and construct the wall.
  
  Maybe Bill Gates will chip in a few billion! I'll call him and ask kindly.
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Executive Order: Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements

EXECUTIVE ORDER

BORDER SECURITY AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IMPROVEMENTS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) (INA), the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Public Law 109 367) (Secure Fence Act), and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104 208 Div. C) (IIRIRA), and in order to ensure the safety and territorial integrity of the United States as well as to ensure that the Nation's immigration laws are faithfully executed, I hereby order as follows: ...
* https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of … provements

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 25, 2017
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Executive orders are just window dressing and aren't really passed by Congress yet, They don't mean anything until other branches of the legislature approve them.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I think you will find that you are mistaken - the President has far more power than we think. Consider that Obama's executive order to stop detaining illegals held up find until challenged in court. Similarly, his orders as to what and when to shut down various sectors of government were followed.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  A lot of them have been walked back, especially ones where he needs to find money to pay for them. They have to be approved by the House and Congress.
  
  And alternative truth? Really. And colorfulone, trying to get the press out of the White House is a breach of the first amendment. Also, the "wall" will end up being paid for with OUR taxpayer money. Get real.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "trying to get the press out of the White House is a breach of the first amendment."
  
  Don't be ridiculous, there is absolutely nothing in that amendment that gives anyone, press or not, access to wherever they might wish to go. "Freedom of the press" is not a blanket authorization to do as they wish or go where they wish. If it were you would find paparazzi at the foot of every movie star's bed 24-7.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  But, I expect, and more than that, insist that the Trump administration operate in a transparent way rather than taking the tyrants road of surreptitious government. All this talk from his people about 'managing' the press gives me the impression that he has something to hide at the outset. Rest assured, we will have to turn up the heat In regards to this as well.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  He isn't supposed to kick the press out of the White House like he wanted to. What next, no news and only The Trump Channel?
  
  It won't help Trump to make enemies out of the media. He is so infringing on Freedom of the Press.
  
  He seems to have taken it down a notch though.
  
  And Obama was vilified for Executive Orders, when he did very few compared to George W. Bush. I guess it depends on what "bubble" you live in, now that a divided country is being farther divided by a new President who is trying to keep his word on his campaign promises, (admirable), but maybe would be better off thinking more about how what he wants to accomplish will be executed.
  
  The R's all look nervous, and I think it would have been better for them to take a little more time to get to know each other and get used to each other before making all these changes. They should have been doing that after the Election, but Trump didn't want to be bothered with briefings. Hopefully he will get the hang of things now. He doesn't seem to understand it's not just HIS relationships with world leaders that matter, but that he's representing the whole country. I do think it's good he's talking with world leaders, nothing can be helped without communication, but it's a different kind of tact and diplomacy than used in real estate.
  
  Now he has JFK airport all jammed up for today's crisis. He has to think more about consequences and maybe discuss these matters more with his staff before he jumps. It's a learning curve, but he won't help by alienating us from the rest of the world either. I hope he settles in.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  National Archives
  Executive Order Disposition Table Index
  
  Barack Obama (2009-Present)
  EOs 13489 - 13738
  
  George W. Bush (2001-2009)
  EOs 13198-13488
  * https://www.archives.gov/federal-regist … ition.html
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "He isn't supposed to kick the press out of the White House like he wanted to."
  
  In your personal opinion (and I'm sure theirs ). But the amendment you mentioned has nothing to say on the matter.
  
  "He is so infringing on Freedom of the Press. "
  
  See above answer.
  
  "And Obama was vilified for Executive Orders, when he did very few compared to George W. Bush."
  
  No, he was vilified for signing illegal Executive Orders - ones that violated the law. Like refusing to allow local law enforcement to do the job he was supposed to do but refused. And he signed about the same number as preceding presidents.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I've tried to think of a few conciliatory remarks about a President who is making a complete ass out of himself, hoping the rest of his term won't be the train wreck this week was. All anyone has to do is compliment Trump to win him over. His bromance with Putin is frightening, he has such thin skin.
  
  The press does have to question a POTUS, Obama had the class to say that "they gave him a hard time but kept him honest." If we don't allow the press to question Trump, how can the people know what's happening and whether he's acting in our best interests? It would have severely made their jobs harder if the press had to move across the street, he doesn't want to answer to anyone. And for Bannon to tell the New York Times to "shut up" is just another disgrace. Fox News is all opinion shows and no real news anymore, and everyone is jumping ship. Even Greta Van Susteren has moved to MSNBC. CNN had been bland and doesn't ask hard questions.
  
  You won't budge an inch Dan, or say one good word about any Democrat. I thought Trump's press conference with Theresa May was a disgrace. He should have told the press to save their questions until the end, and let her speak, and then they should have had some discourse between the two. She was adamant that Britain was not going to stop sanctions on Russia. He admitted it depended on his relationship with Putin, a poor decision. Of course, she's a lowly woman.
  
  He keeps acting like a fool, but you'll defend him until the end and never have a nice word for a Democrat. At least Obama tried to give everyone health care. The people in Kentucky are unsophisticated and don't realize their care is Obamacare. R's will just let people die, what do they care? They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan and can't do it. He kept us out of a depression, and saved the auto industry. He passed laws to give the LGBTQ community the Civil Rights they deserve. The dreamer program was designed for young people who only knew America, and are educated. If they get kicked out (though he says he won't do that) it will cause a big brain drain in the U.S.
  
  In trying to keep people safe from terrorists, maybe Trump should have added Saudi Arabia to his list. And it's we, the taxpayers, who will end up paying for that wall. I doubt the House will give him the money to front it, and his supporters won't like it, if they understand what he's doing. Congress will fight him tooth and nail. The no fly and terrorist watch lists should have been the starting point, not shutting down one of the busiest airports in the world. Trump is making the U.S. the laughing stock of the world.
  
  I'm not coming on these political forums anymore, it's a waste of time trying to talk to people who won't entertain anything that their narrow minds can't take, or give credit where credit is due to people from the Democratic side when their ideas are good. I thought the "me" times in the 1980s were over, but apparently not. I just had to pay $190.00 for my pain medication from severe scoliosis and I'm a widow on Medicare. And R's want to cut benefits from Medicaid and Medicare. I guess you can all sit home and count your money.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  - One ,You're paying more for your Obama Care because of Obamas failed system , not Trumps
  - Putin and all Russian leaders that feared -and respected American leaders - are better for us .
  -If 90 % of the news media is reporting fake news it isn't good for EITHER ideology
  -If you "don't come on political forums anymore " it will be your loss in becoming more enlightened .
  - I don't care for Steve Bannon , but him telling the leftist media to "shut up "is much needed .
  -The "narrow mind "is the one that is enlightened by false truths.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If you think you are an "enlightened" person, that's really absurd. Your mind is completely closed to anything except your own misguided beliefs. You don't understand what waterboarding is. I am not on Obamacare, I'm on Medicare and BC/BS, and it's costing me a fortune. I pay for it. Obamacare is in most cases a free program for people who have no other income, but have health issues.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jean, unfortunately talking to these guys is like talking to a brick wall. I'm trying to resist engaging in arguments with these bigoted morons, but I keep falling into the trap.
  
  I feel for you, having to live in a country where these idiots have managed to appoint a leader in their own image. Sadly, other countries seem to be going the same way. The world is going to hell in a handbasket, it seems to me.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Marisa,
  It's great to see an intelligent and fair minded person on the thread. It is very hard to not reply to people who genuinely seemed guided by hatred or fear of people or things they don't know, and just keep parroting the most stupid things. Working with people as I do, I understand that some people never formed opinions themselves in their adult lives, or never even questioned what their parents taught them. I read two or three books a week and am well informed on most issues.I understand the beginnings of fascism when I see them. In the Holocaust remembrance, Trump didn't even mention Jews.
  
  The Presidential order Trump wrote basically denying only Muslim people (it's a back door way, so he can't be accused of keeping a religious group out of the U.S.) is already being questioned by the courts. People with Green Cards are being denied access into the country. The man is a hopeless idiot.
  
  They nitpick on one point in triumph. See the post below mine. All insurance has people pay into a pool, and some need to use their insurance more than others. I used to pay $10.00 for the same $185.00 medication. Many people in destitute situations do get Obamacare for free. I know many of them. Luckily both my husband and I worked hard and I can pay for most of my medical care, but not all of it, and when he passed they did give me widow's benefits in the form of Social Security. It's peanuts.. But the Republicans had 7 years of Obama's administration to figure out a health plan, they won't do it. Why? It's too hard for them and they have no desire to help others.R's basically are selfish people who don't care about anyone but themselves. As you can see, they can't even get past a certain point in a post without harping on some erroneous "fact" or "alternative fact" they know. Yes, Trump is such a liar, now we have "alternative facts" aka lies. I am going to get off political forums. These people can have fun fighting while our country gets in wars, is hated, and crashes and burns.
  
  I don't understand people who can only see one point of view--theirs. I always consider several. Take care, Marisa
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  "Obamacare is in most cases a free program for people who have no other income, but have health issues."
  
  Sure is. At least the insurance is; the deductibles in those "free" plans is so high that health care is still unattainable; I know, I had one of them before medicare kicked in, with a $7,000 deductible. $7,000 up front, from someone too poor to afford insurance! If you think that's "free" we have very different ideas of what the word means.
  
  Even then, even the insurance not free - it is being paid for by those without health issues that are (or were until Trump changed it) required by law to purchase grossly over priced insurance to cover the health care costs of those with health problems.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  First , my mind and eyes are wide open , I have been on earth long enough to have witnessed the degeneration of true American values in politics but especially in the human nature of much the entitled masses on the American streets. Your new president , IN ONE WEEK ,has effectively changed the mindless direction of liberal American entitlement politics !.
  
  Why ? Because of the fact that taxation without fair representation of ALL AMERICANS for a few is unfair and unconstitutional , where does it say in the constitution that mandated taxation of ALL for health care of anyone else is a constitutional must ? Where does it say that "enhanced interrogation" of the violent enemy is illegal ? The problem with the left is that you have collectively forgotten and ignored the constitutional protections of ALL individual liberties , for the promotion of over -taxation ,over - regulation of the taxpayer . for the benefit of the lazy and entitled !
  
  As a matter of fact I also have BC/BS paid for by me In free market competition ---- . When did such things as health care become an FREE expectation of ----Yours paid for by ME ?
  
  This is where your liberally entitled anger causes you to call me one of the six or seven names attached to conservatism for all and any debate
  .................................?
  -Closed minded
  -bigoted
  -sexist
  -nationalist
  -racist
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You don't pay my health insurance, it's Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and a small amount from Medicare from all the years I worked. Although Obamacare changed Medicare somewhat, I am not on Obamacare. The Medicare is such a pittance I have to pay $1200.00 monthly for help in paying my medical expenses from BC/BS, and have to put off carpal tunnel and cataract surgery. It's still so expensive and you get very little from it. You are so blinded by your hatred of anything different than your own narrow views, you can't even read a full post of different views and comprehend it. YOU do not pay anything for ME. I paid into the Medicare system since I went to work at 17 until I have retired.
  
  Also, I have not called you a name on this forum, so perhaps a mental health checkup or reading glasses are in order.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I have a Humana Medicare add on - Gold Plus. Cost is 0, but it does have nearly a $7,000 out of pocket. Still sounds better than what you've been offered in your state by BCBS
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I should look into it, although as you say, our options differ from state to state. It's further complicated by Medicare Plans and Parts. Glenn Stok has written a good hub about Medicare.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Here is what I pay in New York State.
  - it does include a $2100 out of pocket minimum.
  https://toughnickel.com/insurance/How-t … r-Medicare
  Good luck.
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  ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You're right , I don't pay for your health care AND---- you don't pay for mine , Therein lies the problem .........That's the way free market was designed . Like so many things though , you want it to be fair , And fair to you and the rest of the left means --- I should have to pay for yours by economic subsidization ? You should support the freeing up of the insurance market by deregulation , the state to state regional coverage and marketability by competition of insurers for your best dollar value .
  
  But of course , That still means liberals would have to pay there own way and we can't have that ?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I don't get where you got the idea the D's think everyone else should pay for them? But please, don't tell me.
  
  Trump has said he won't touch Medicare since it was a promise many entered into and paid into for their whole working lives (though the money isn't up to the point where it pays much of our medical expenses if we have several health issues).
  
  I do hope he takes on the pharmaceutical companies. And if countries poorer than us can manage to give health care to all their citizens, there must be a way we can do it too. If deregulation would help, I'd say go for it.
  
  But as with most insurance, it's a pool everyone pays into, only sicker people use it more. I am also glad the pre-existing clause is supposed to be saved. As far as 26 yr. olds staying on their parents insurance until they are 26, I'm not sure that's necessary. I was born with a pre-existing condition, but at 26 I was married and bought my first house. Back then by 18 you had to have your own insurance. Healthy young people don't feel they need health insurance, until a crisis, when they do. Of course, college is so expensive, they are loaded down with school bills. We need more trade schools, many of these kids aren't college material and when everyone has a degree, it's like nobody has one.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Members of Congress will be happy to not be irreverent like they were under the Obama Adm's 'window dressing' EO's which didn't mean much. Trump will use Congress, the Constitution and laws that already exist and he will be able to Institutionalize his EO's and policies.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is not necessarily true. Executive orders can affect various federal agencies as far as policies and regulations. These do not require any Congressional legislation. Only funding issues can stop an order if the Congress hold up funds to implement it.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is funny though, when Obama used Executive Orders he was accused of circumventing Congress, not so with Trump?
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Should Trump descend into signing illegal orders I'm positive he will be reeled in, and quicker than Obama was. We've learned (I hope) that even Presidents don't always follow the law.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I guess what is legal or not depends on your ideological bent, because I have yet to hear an objective prospective to explain the difference.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Which is also why there is such opposition to a liberal SCOTUS justice. They never seem able to distinguish between the law and the ideological bent.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That opposition comes from one side and that reduces its validity considerably.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No, it depends on the executive order or action. President Obama issued executive actions that actually changed the existing law which is unConstitutional and the courts ruled against him on numerous ocasions. If Trump tried to do the same, the courts will intervene as well. That is the beauty of our system of check and balances.
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  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Is that much like the pasting that the Trump administration recently received from a New York court in regards to his Immigration Decree?
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, so what's your point. My statement stands. If any president over step his authority, the courts are there to act. You are letting your political bias affect your thinking. You can be critical of Trump and it is your right. If he is within his authority and implement policies that you disagree with, that is OK too. Elections have consequences as noted by Obama...
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You mean where a stay was ordered, halting the deportation of people that were in transit when the order went out, but having nothing to say about the order itself or any future entrance to the country? That "pasting"?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. At least you can keep an open mind and read this seeing it's fine if it's an R POTUS, but not a D one. Trump is just dividing a highly divided country and further dividing it. And a lot of his actions are going to lead to wars.
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