http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/0 … 84918.html
Great video pointing out the hypocrisy of social conservatives.
They want every conception ever to be conceived, and when the are, they can't stand them.
Perhaps we can give free tubals to these women who want free contraception or abortions. Kill two or three birds with one stone.
What war on women? There is no war on women. Sadly too many women can't accept equality and seek to be superior.
When's the last time the gvt told a man what to do with his sexual organs?--besides giving them viagra for free.
Women make 77 cents on the dollar to men on average....wanting 23 cents more an hour is seeking to be equal, not superior.
There are plenty of laws regarding what men can and cant do with their sexual organs. Really think about that, because i dont want to bother with having to explain it to you.
Really? Well, if you are sincere, then you should agree with me that all boys should have a vasectomy until they are ready to conceive a child with a woman.
No more abortions.
What do you have against personal responsibility?
Nothing. It's time the men take it for a change!
ater all--they are the horn dogs in most cases....Testosterone. Wanna play? YOU pay!
LOL! I so love how people continue on with the whole "Women don't want sex" thing!
We have less testosterone "in most cases"...as I said. The sex hormone. No one said women don't like sex.
But we would like to have it without the huge stress and worry of pregnancy....don't you agree this should be a right? You know--for us women who like sex as much as men?
You know--like viagra is free.
"But we would like to have it without the huge stress and worry of pregnancy....don't you agree this should be a right? You know--for us women who like sex as much as men?"
I couldn't agree more
"You know--like viagra is free."
Shouldn't be free if it is!!
We should all take the same responsibility over our bodies and not expect others to do it for us! We all have to worry about getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant. Do you think men don't care about if they get a woman pregnant or not? If they are going to offer BC for men it should be offered in the same way to men. However I don't believe it should be "Given" to anyone. Fork over the $15 a month or don't have sex, it seems like a no brainer- pay the $15!
If you want me to take responsibility for my body....then stop telling me your gvt will force me to give birth against my will!
You've got the wrong one here, I'm pro Choice. Again I feel the government should stay out all together what a woman(or man) does with her body! Including paying for her BC!
Geeeez..they're not paying for it...it gets to be included in insurance, like any other health need!!
Nobody screams when insurance covers pain medication, or blood pressure medication, or anything else. You are not paying for it...the person buying insurance is. Just like you are not "paying for" Mr Doolittles heart pills.
My issue is not with private insurance companies doing it ours does, it is with them being forced to which is what many politicians want them to do. Our country needs less government control. Do you want women to be able to keep their freedoms to their bodies? Be able to afford BC? I do and with more government regulations we will all slowly lose our rights. You and I are on the same page in a lot of ways. I just want the government to stay out of things so in the end we all keep our freedoms.
Of course i believe men should also have personal responsibility.
I never said they shouldnt.
Can't disagree there. Granted, we've been buying condoms for ages, but condoms are affordable. My Fiancee's birth control, which she also has to take for a diagnosed clotting disorder, is 90 a month without insurance, and that isn't really affordable. Viagra? Nah, I think that should probably be stricken from being provided. Sex isn't a right, even for men.
Really? You have a right to live your life? Sex is part of living life. Sex is also the cooperation between individuals, otherwise it isn't sex but is rape.
The action of sex is a right because it's a choice. Every right you have is tied to a moral action. All actions come from choice.
You want to have sex with someone and that sex isn't against the Law(s) of humankind, then by all means do with the knowledge of what is responsible and what isn't.
If your a man, wrap the damn thing up if you don't want to create kids. It is irresponsible to do otherwise. For those of you who are unable to have kids, then do for safety reason anyways.
Condoms are not 100% fool proof either. Women's birth control should be given out graciously to those who are willing to use it. Why? Population control.
It might be helpful if people stopped looking at Equality and Equal Rights as the same thing. They are not.
Why don't we first make men and women equal and then maybe we'll be better able to judge if women are or are not trying to make themselves superior. Last time I checked, men still make more than women, occupy far more positions of power and influence in almost every field, are less likely to be physically or sexually abused by spouses/significant others, etc. Being equal from a legal perspective does not mean that women are equal from a societal perspective.
Typically it is a man claiming that there "is no war on women"....and it is a man who wants to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies...
In my case, I see the stupidity running amok...cutting off access to abortions and health care....and continually denying that women receive poorer treatment in the workplace than men.
Perhaps a couple ladies (it appears) posting here disagree....but I have seen it with my own eyes...so rhetoric will not in any way combat my claims..
What women can and cant do with their bodies?
When you become pregnant, it is not only your body any more. What about the babie's rights?
It is still the mother's body...and what she chooses to do with it is her own issue.
If an individual woman makes a choice for herself...it is hers.
You can decide what you want to do with your body, Jane, but these are individual choices....and the government has no place in this arena, outside of making sure people aren't being abused.
Some people look only at the life of the prospective child (for conception never guarantees birth, or a healthy birth at that), but fail to take into account the totality of what will follow.
If a child is 1) going to have a physical disability that will cause strain to the family/parent, 2) the product of rape, and the prospective mother does not want to carry the child to term, 3)going to put severe strain on a single mother or family ill-equipped to take care of the child, or even, 4) going to be born into a family, city, nation, or world that provides little to no opportunity, it is up to the mother/parents to figure out what to do.
That child will have to grow throughout life.....and being born, as we all know, is no guarantee of success or happiness.
We shouldn't be interested in breeding simply to have more kids....we have plenty... Having worked in the foster system as well as with homeless youth, I see plenty of young ones who are desperately in need of help...
If I were a woman, and I were pregnant, I would think long and hard before deciding to have the child. "Not having sex unless wanting to have kids" is ludicrous, false, completely hypocritical coming from those who typically use the phrase, and goes against nature itself.
Look at Bonobo Chimpanzees, and keep in mind that you are in the same family.
Or are you afraid to recognize your primate self?
That is another question for another time.
Sex transcends the need for procreation....but some "religious" heads want to control people....
If we want to preach "self-control"-"responsibility"-and "self-reliance" then we have to cultivate a society of education and choice as opposed to dogma, shame, harassment, and the overreach of governmental authority....
The war is on Roe v. Wade....and it has always been... People can try to hide this, but this is ultimately what it comes down to...
There is a war against Brown v. Board of Education as well.....and each war began as soon as these decisions were made...
At the same time, there is a war against Citizen's United... There is also a war against the ongoing abuse of undocumented immigrants in this nation..
"Oh...but the immigrants are illegal...they are here just to suck our system"...no...they are here making sure your produce prices are falsely low...guaranteeing there is a steady stream of labor to work in restaurants...locked in urban and suburban sweatshops...making clothes in Los Angeles that say "Made in Vietnam/Thailand/Mexico/Honduras/El Salvador/etc")... They also provide the cleaning jobs that anti-illegal immigration politicians like Republican candidate for governor in California Meg Whitman use... From Beverly Hills and Malibu, to Woodland Hills and Northridge (all in L.A.), the elegant, upper-class, and largely Republican/conservative, white homes are cleaned and maintained by undocumented immmigrants...
(One of my best friends in high school was one of these types....mind you, politically I agreed with him. We were both conservative Republicans...we watched Limbaugh on t.v., and discussed politics every day. I visited his home, and learned that they had a woman living in their home..she had her own small room, who was from Mexico...undocumented. This guy and his father would decry deportation for the "illegals" and "rah rah rah" for their political hacks...then Pete Wilson who signed the hypocritical Proposition 187...while living a lie... Liars....deceivers...that is what they are..)
The war on the Dreams of the undocumented men and women who are working far harder, making far less, and are far more prone to abuse than we...
The war against the Dream Act....
Sorry to tangent....but this was necessary for perspectives-sake.
These wars are real. To deny them is pure foolishness or hypocrisy...
Me too---stupidity, short-sightedness and down-right minding everybody's business!! Who asked them?
Mind your beeswax, you Phyllis Shlaughly's of the world, and we'll mind ours.
There is a difference between cutting off health care and saying we don't want to pay for what other people choose to do. I have had 3 children and a tubal, I didn't ask someone else to pay for any of it! In my state if a woman gets breast cancer and makes less than a certain amount she can get government assistance to pay for her treatment. However when a man asked for the same thing he was denied? After the media getting on to it he finally got it. His sex should not have even been asked. I have been in the workforce and been paid more than some of the men I worked with and less than others. It never occured to me to complain about the guys who were making more than me. If I would have had a problem with it I would have quit.
I don't want to pay for drones to kill innocent civilians, nor for wars that are waged only because of oil and a defense industry that needs buyers of weapons.
Paying for birth control to reduce unwanted pregnancies isn't exactly a big sacrifice.
Did it occur to you that maybe people should have the common sense to pay for their own birth control if they do not want a child? Isn't that the logical thing to do? I agree with the rest of what you said and I stand against that stuff too. Our government wastes far too much money on things that they don't need to.
Well it's sort of a situation where there is no really great solution. If people run around reproducing without being responsible, that will increase the welfare rolls.
So, as a preventive measure, it seems better to allow birth control to be really cheap so if/when a woman and a man decide to have sex, they won't produce a child when they are not emotionally ready to be parents.
It's not ideal, but I'm just looking at what could realistically work.
I see where you are coming from but did you know for example the Depo Provera Shot (birth control that lasts 3 months) usually costs $30 to $50. That equals $10-$16 a month. If a woman really didn't want children she wouldn be willing to spend $16 a month. I guess I have known a lot of women who didn't want to get pregnant but did. They had money for fast food, alcohol, cigs, but the important thing got left out (BC). I have no sympathy for these people. The women I've known who really care about the topic buy birth control and give up something else if need be. To me that's how life should be. If you want something you find a way of doing it yourself. As a previous foster child I am well aware of the abundance of unwanted children and I blame their parents not our government.
No doubt there are going to be irresponsible people. All we can do is run public education campaigns and hope something sticks.
Sometimes also, such as the cases you mentioned, people are just stupid. If birth control was free, they may get it, since they wouldn't have any money left over after drugs and alcohol.
I just want it to be as easy as possible. But I do understand what you mean. People should take more personal responsibility for themselves. If there are no condoms at the moment, oral or manual stimulation are options. There's just not a lot that can be done directly to remedy a situation where a couple without any financial means to care for a baby actually have one.
I have nothing against women. I dont like abortions.
Luckily for you, you still have the right to kill as many of your own unborn children as you like. How happy you must feel.
I'm happy my daughters can have a say in their own lives...yes indeed. And abortion is one of the options avaliable to them should they need it.
You would like the gvt and your church to rule over them...thankfully, we still have a semblance of decency in America.
I dont have a church. Where did you get that idea?
Your forcing me and my kids to live by your dictates, rather than minding your own business..
"Luckily for you, you still have the right to kill as many of your own unborn children as you like. How happy you must feel."
I have been pregnant 3 times. I know when it becomes a baby. It takes a while. Abortion does not kill children. Who told you it did?
Of course abortion is killing children. You pretend it isnt so you can remain guilt free. How nice that must ne for you.
In one ear and out the other.. see you later jane.
Children? It is killing a human organism, but it is not killing a child. The stages of pregnancy are to be taken into account. Period. Why? In the best interest of the would be child. The viability of the child is taken into account, which is how the Law(s) are based.
No she does not. She happens to know the difference I pointed out above.
This was where you made your last mistake. Your moral stance is irrational and by your words, you appear to think you have a moral higher ground and you don't actually.
You live your life how you choose. Any political decisions you make, you make for your own interest and not actually for the benefit of society, because any idiot knows that stopping abortion is absurd and will cause more problems than the entire human species can handle.
Such as increase population problems. Food resources are already manipulated by the select few and since those select few are not going to change their manner, then food shortages would be a real threat to even more people than it is already, due to population increases.
So many people are already using welfare programs because they don't have the ability to provide for themselves. And, you think just because abortions are immoral or shouldn't happen, it's okay to restrict all women's rights because you don't agree with them. Don't agree and move on with your life and leave them alone.
Id still like to know how i am forcing you to live by my dictates.
Ooh that's right every time you 'waste' your sperm your killing millions of potential lives. You callous murderer! And we simply must stop females menstruating. The monthly annihilation, is simply horrendous all those eggs going down the toilet. It's nothing short of criminal.
I wrote a post specifically on this topic. (thanks Sooner 28 for thoughtful comments on it)
As far as abortions go, I really wish it was more widely understood that a soul is born when it takes it's first breath, not when it is in embryo stage.
I wish the eunuch would come back into fashion myself.
Going back to the OP and link, I give huge props to Kate Beckinsale for making this video. It's humorous and effective.
How quickly (and nastily) the discussion here degenerated.
It continues to boggle my little mind that the same people who oppose abortion also want to limit women's acces to birth control.
Widespread, readily available and affordable birth control obviates the need for abortion.
Less effective birth control leads to more unwanted pregnancies.
Those unwanted pregnancies, without access to safe, legal abortion, lead to children the mother cannot financially or emotionally sustain which in turn leads to financial dependence on government programs, neglected/abused children (or both).
Is that really what you want?
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