The Obama Administration is a bloodthirsty cabal!
A report Monday night on the nature of the administration's drone program has the potential to dramatically revamp the debate over President Barack Obama's foreign policy and the confirmation process for his incoming cabinet.
The report, by Michael Isikoff of NBC News, reveals that the Obama administration believes that high-level administration officials -- not just the president -- may order the killing of senior operational leaders of al-Qaida or an associated force even without evidence they are actively plotting against the U.S.
It summarizes in cold legal terms a stunning overreach of executive authority - the claimed power to declare Americans a threat and kill them far from a recognized battlefield and without any judicial involvement before or after the fact, Shamsi said in a statement.
A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination, states the Justice Department white paper quoted by Isikoff.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 … d%3D266012
Mr. President----Where is the law? You mass-murdering psychopath!.Probably a bit off topic but what the hey. The "war on terror" is a sham anyway. Corporate banks have been backing both sides in conflicts for years. WWI, WWII, Vietnam. All have one thing in common. Financial institutions backed both sides and profited massively from the conflict.
Did you know in 1942, the Union Banking Corporation was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders. One of the Directors of the bank was Prescott Bush. That's the father of George Bush Snr. and George Bush Jnr. The bank was seized under the "Trading with the Enemy Act".
Fast forward 60 years.
On the morning of Sep 11, 2001, George Bush Snr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz hotel acting on behalf of the Carlyle Group. It's well documented that the Bin Laden family had financial connections with the Carlyle Group, and severed those connections soon after 9/11. The person George Bush Snr. was meeting was Shafig bin Laden, the brother of Osama bin Laden. A few months later his son, George Bush Jnr. would declare "war on terror" which subsequently lead to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan leading to massive profits for defence contractors. The Carlyle Group is one of those defence contractors.
The drones are not the problem. The corporations that fund the massive military industrial complex is the problem, along with their cronies. Is Obama one of their cronies? He may be unwittingly. He certainly hasn't got the same infamous family connections as Bush. Either way, conflict is an opportunity for these corporations, and it's in their interest to maintain it. That's who you should be gunning for, not their unwitting and not so unwitting puppets. You're barking up the wrong tree in my opinion.Although I agree factually with what you're saying, I do not agree that criticising Obama is 'barking up the wrong tree'. It is the government that provides the violent monopoly and in turn the one that can stop the violence: the entity that recruits the personnel and sends them out and confiscates the funds to do so. And ultimately it is the commander in chief's decision what to do - he still has free will, even in the face of the military-industrial complex. If an individual commits murder, it is right to trial the party that provided the resources to do so, but it is not 'barking up the wrong tree' to trial the murderer.
Again, wrong target. The Government (and its corporate backers) does what "we the people" allow it to. Playing the left vs. right game is a distraction, a soap-opera of national proportions. Bubblegum for the eyes and ears. The same banks and corporations fund the left and the right. But like Dorothy we are asked to "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" and we dutifully oblige, instead arguing over the latest episode of Dem vs. GOP. Criticising Obama on this is absolutely barking up the wrong tree, and more besides. It's a complete failure to perceive reality. Like the prisoners in Plato's cave, we are gazing at shadows believing them to be real.
We are the ones to be criticised, not Obama (or Bush for that matter). We, who allow murder to be done in our name. Our inaction makes us complicit in those murders. But of course it's much easier (and less uncomfortable) to blame someone else for that, even though they only act with the authority we give them. This thread should be retitled: we the people, an apathetic cabal! That would be more accurate, and closer to reality."Playing the left vs. right game is a distraction, a soap-opera of national proportions. Bubblegum for the eyes and ears."
No disagreement here. I acknowledge that both parties are bought and paid for - I criticise Bush and Clinton for their foreign policy decisions too. I criticise the American people for voting for these people. But there is a difference between addressing the cause of a crime, and what we can do to stop it, and criticizing the individual that committed the crime. Just as we would trial the murderer and then launch an inquest into what created the circumstances that allowed it to happen.
It's important to do both, and you're only addressing one of them. Yes, the bankers and special interests are to blame. Yes, the voting populace are to blame, but ultimately, the President and the administration are the ones with the finger over the trigger. They have free will, they are not robots who can only act upon command, and are as morally culpable as everyone else involved. "He told/paid me to do it" is not a good enough excuse, neither is "they voted me in to do it".
If you're argument was: "yes, but we have to address the special interests and our skewed voting habits as well", I'd be in complete agreement.We are the ones to blame. These atrocities are being done in our name. But, when we seek a redress of our grievances, the government squashes dissent. This has gone too far.
U.S. government is in survival mode and is preparing to take on its greatest threat, its people. The usurpation began a century ago and is steadily reaching a climax. There are no representatives of human beings, the only persons with representation in this country is the legal fiction "corporate" people.
Something's got to give.
By the administrations logic, the federal government of the united states is involved in terrorist activities within the target nations, therefore these nations have international precedent to target these threats for termination, right?
No questions!
No evidence!
No oversight!
Bang Bang your dead!As it stands right now, any American that leaves U.S. soil can be killed, for any reason, without scrutiny, without trial, without question. Cuz an administration official said so!
Can you possibly exaggerate more than you do? To prove what a distortion your post is, the NSA only targets travelers "TO" the US from middle eastern countries. Any American can leave the US and millions do every year to travel to Europe, South American or the Far East. In fact, to prove what a lie this post is, at the moment one of the men I work with has left the country for Thailand on business. He will also be in Cambodia and possibly Laos. Now...do you want to own up to that phony post?
In your mind, drift back to 1943. Zoom in on a farmhouse in German occupied France where you find a vulnerable German command post. Would you have the soldiers on the field pass the word back to FDR, asking for permission to attack? Or would you ask to Allied command in the field to do what they can to eliminate that post and everyone in it before it disappears into the countryside?
al-Qaida has declared war on the non-Muslim world and in particular on the US; under those circumstances there is no need to capture and try any member, senior or junior, in a court of law. Simply put, there is just a need to stop their actions and if that is best done by soldiers in the field then so be it. We don't need to eavesdrop on their conversations, we don't need to see them shoot a US citizen, we don't even need to watch them plant an IED. We just need to find them in a location where they can be taken out with little risk of harming innocent people.
Terrorism is the act of deliberately targeting civilians for death or harm with a goal of terrorizing those citizens into submission. While the US and other nations have done that in the past (Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki) it is NOT being done in the near east in spite of your claims to the contrary.
For the first time the US (and the world) is facing an enemy that has no fixed location, that has no country. That does not make them any less of an enemy or any less dangerous and it certainly doesn't mean we need to simply leave them alone to do as they wish. That the US actively pursues its enemies does not make the US a terrorist nation any more now that it did 70 years ago.the nation has historically eliminated many targets in the past without any need for a politicizing document that protects the government agent that performs the mission.
today it appears that the leadership is concerned with accepting responsibility for such actions because they now have documented that individuals taking actions now are responsible for the outcome, not the leadership at the top.18 USC § 2331
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331
Unless you can prove otherwise, MURDER would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State.
Just because a servant says otherwise, does not make it true!Take a chill pill for Pete's sake. Not a thing you posted remotely resembles facts. But that never does stop the right in their ever obsessive addiction to bash this administration and this president no matter how safe you've been for the past 4 years here in the US. The only terrorists in the US are the anarchists who post this kind of anti-government, anti-president drivel.
And what exactly is wrong with an anti-government, anti-president anarchist?
Much better than a drone-bombing, economy destroying, email snooping, citizen assassinating government.
"al-Qaida has declared war on the non-Muslim world and in particular on the US; under those circumstances there is no need to capture and try any member, senior or junior, in a court of law."
And it is only fitting that they do the same to the US as in essence we declared war on them with the establishment of Israel on their homeland.
This tit for tat war is getting old isn't it?
More right wing spin! I'm sure Obama had something to due with the power outage during superbowl, right? So what if Obama can have anyone killed, even Americans. Presidents always had that option. Are you a leading member of a terrorist organization bent on killing Americans or other innocent people? If no - don't worry about. If yes - worry!
For all the paranoid conservative nutjobs that believe the stupiest crap that doesn't have any romote concern for them, I have to ask, how does it feel to wake up every moring in total fear of our government? Are you constantly looking out your windows for any signs of a batallion of Marines charging up to your trailer, I mean house, to take away your gun? Do you constantly look behind your shoulder for for that one person that stands out? Might be an undercover FBI agent keeping tabs on you and what you say. Are you constantly watching FOX News for any updates from the most credible news people or conservative radio talk shows to get your dose of fear ans stupidity? If you have no health insurance, be sure not to develop any ulcers or other stress related health conditions causing you to go to the hospital. Remember, under Obamacare, the death panels might add your name to the list.Yeah that is what I get for reading rightwing propaganda websites such as the huffingtonpost!
On the other hand, Paul, you could present some evidence to rebut RB?
@Paul Wingert, spoken like a good German, 80 years ago.
Don't worry, it's only the communists they are after. We're not communists.
Don't worry, it's only the Jews they are after. We're not Jews.
Don't worry, it's only the Catholics they are after. We're not Catholics.
Oops! They're after us! What have we done!?
Can anyone point to the law that allows the chief executive the authority to be the judge, jury, and executioner outside of a war zone?
How about this one. What is the legal definition of a terrorist?How about the title "Commander-in-Chief?" Bush was the judge, jury and executioner of 4,000 plus US military and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis when he hired his US assassins, Blackwater, to carry out those raids in Iraq on innocent families. In one case, wiping out 14 family members including young children. Where were the big mouths of the right then? According to our Constitution, the president of the US, acts as the Commander-in-chief of the military. This is stated in at least 4 of the Articles of the Constitution, which you'd know if you stopped promoting anarcy.
Reality check!!
George W. Bush is no longer president!
If you can get him in front of the Hague and convict him, I would jump for joy!
Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, called the document “profoundly disturbing” and said it was “hard to believe that it was produced in a democracy built on a system of checks and balances.”
“It summarizes in cold legal terms a stunning overreach of executive authority –- the claimed power to declare Americans a threat and kill them far from a recognized battlefield and without any judicial involvement before or after the fact,” Shamsi said in a statement.
Watchdog groups and members of Congress have made repeated pleas for the administration to release internal documents outlining the rationale for the targeted killing program, especially when the target is an American citizen. NBC's report increases pressure on the administration to release additional documents.
The White House did not immediately return a request for comment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 … d%3D266012Also, why has this president restricted the retrieval of natural gas, the mining of coal, and the drilling of off shore oil... and why did he refuse to pipe in oil from Canada? Why are we, instead, still dependent on terrorist/foreign oil and now Brazilian Oil...( George Soros's private operation ... which he alone profits from: An operation which President O payed for by handing G.S. around 134 billion taxpayer dollars, immediately after the Katrina disaster.)
Why?Kathryn...He restricted it because it's dangerous. How is a 1750 mile long pipeline coming out of Alberta Canada heading through Sweet Grass Montana which has annual wild fires through Nebraska and the states that have annual tornados safe? By the way, don't bother to try and defend this, I saw the tar sands in Alberta in 2000. It's the dirtest possible and greatest pollutant source of oil there is. If you want that pipeline so badly, put it through your property. Your property wasn't taken by CanOil by eminent domain was it? You don't get to defend the 21 chemicals needed to extract the oil from sand that Albertans in the north of that province are furious over now that white patches like the ones in Texas are showing up all over pristine farmland. Any day you want an glass of water that comes from the faucets near the tar sand oil mining pits, help yourself. And one other thing, if this was such an environmentally safe project, why did British Columbia, Alberta's neighboring province refuse to allow it to pass through to the Pacific routes?
What's worse, the economy as it is and getting worse... and NO homeland energy, which we COULD have? or making use of our natural resources
which we have the intelligence to tap into wisely?
We have to see the pattern!
We need to all get on board and be on the same page.
Thats why I keep keyboarding.There are plenty of energy alternatives. The aren't promoted because the Big Oil Big Daddies spend billions they recoup from you at the gas pumps on their million dollar a day lobbyists to trash any new alternative energy.
Case in point...in 2010, The GOP sidling up to the Big Oil Big Daddies refused to pass legislation that would have provided FEMA funding to midwestern and southern states who had massive tornado and flood damage unless all funding for solar energy was ceased. I live in NJ. It is 2nd in the production of solar energy. So please don't tell me it doesn't work, it isn't reliable...and any other excuses to keep us tied to Texas Big Oil. We are already paying for 50% of the Exxon Valdez spill of 24 years ago. We, in NJ, DO see the pattern. We see that during Hurricane Sandy those with solar power didn't lose their energy as those tied to electric grids have. Google the guy who built 5 homes completely off the electric grid in Hopewell NJ.
The problem is the backward southern and midwestern states who do not want to jeopardize the status of their favorite home state industries. In NJ, Trinity Solar has over 32,000 customers and it is only one of thousands in this state.
My state IS on board and has been for almost a decade. We didn't allow those southern and midwestern Big Oil Big Daddies to get in our way even when they stymied funding to aid growing and very popular solar energy industries. Anything that gets in the way of Big Oil which is now all but obsolete in the real world, the GOP supports. For them, it's all about profit...not about advancement in energy.So really what you fantastically enlightened folk need to do is band together and be another country and show us backward rednecks how to do it. Prove it on a small scale before you FORCE it on everyone else. You see that's the problem isn't it? If it's so good why doesn't everyone just sign right on an no the answer is not "corporate".
Oh and by the way....just because you can use Google and find some information does not mean it's good information. It's just out there.Barefootfae...I don't blame the general populace of the south and midwest. I blame their government. Who is forcing you? In fact, it's quite the other way round. YOU are forcing your Big Oil on the rest of us. Not that the people of NJ fall for that Swagger Swagger, Boom Boom routine any day too soon.
Okay...don't use Google. Go to the Chamber of Commerce website and check out which 2 states lead the country in solar energy. It's CA and NJ.
As for showing backward rednecks...isn't that the job your education dollars pay for? Isn't that the job you pay your elected officials to do? Or, do these red states just vote for a candidate without bothering to know what he really stands for? Or more to the point..."WHO" he really stands for. How has it helped KY to have Mitch McConnell standing guard over healthcare in that state and preventing sane, affordable healthcare insurance rates that don't end up in his campaign war chest?Probably the same way Harry Reid helps bi-partisanship by only allowing the progressive agenda to go forward.
I am not forcing anything on you. If you want to run you car on rutabagas and you can make it work have at it. But don't make me have to do the same thing. That's not to mention looking back through the thread at the incessant use of regional slurs and such that is the hallmark of a progressive trying to bully someone into their point of view.Bare...something wrong with progress? Yes, we do band together. Much to the chagrin of those in backward states who want to keep alive an antebellum society of rich plantation mentalities that no longer fits today's world. If that's your world, God Bless. It isn't mine. And yes...I absolutely loathe the idea that some women are too "ignernt" to see how manipulated they are by those Big Daddies who rule with a tyrant's hand. A woman who falls for that is a fool. It assumes women should never have brains or use them.
Dear you don't know what you think you know about Southern women and quite obviously have some regional issues.
The only thing really about your version of progress is some of it is doubtful as being progress which is highlighted by the fact it must be made mandatory. The fact some don't want your version of "progress' is highlighted by their common sense. Some of it is ok. Some of it is not.Dear...I have relatives male and female living in 3 southern states, FL, VA and NC. Progress is mandatory. It's the reason we are not still living in the Neanderthal age of some antebellum plantation era of the past.
The fact some don't want my version of progress is highlighted by their laziness and unwillingness to accept any changes. That's your version of "common sense?" If it is, it lacks any sense.
Do you wear pantyhose m'dear? Your grandmother didn't. Do you use a computer? Your grandfather never did. Do you drive an automatic transmission vehicle? Your grandfather never did.
So do go back to DogPatch where poor people live in unheated shacks without toilet facilities or running water. You'd last about one hour without the progressive conveniences some believe "lack common sense."Uh-huh.
That's not the progress we are talking about and you know it.
I love how insulting the "enlightened" folk get when you disagree.No...It isn't the progress mentalities like yours want to hear about or see happening. I am enlightened. That you are not is not MY problem. It's yours. Remain in that mentality too long and you find too many grey hairs in yon grey head that are overlooked as obsolete and unnecessary.
Anyone above the Mason Dixon line sees what the south is doing to itself. Water laced with arsenic, air polluted by petrochemicals and governments who brag on one hand how low their state taxes are, all while they are feeding off taxes paid by the rest of the states. That's progress? More helpings of my state's tax dollars so your state can brag about how non-existent your state income taxes are? More trough feeding and swilling? That's progress? It figures. Lazy butts think progress is all about doing less and getting more.Your obvious hatred of the South is appalling.
What you think is enlightened and what is actual enlightenment are two different things.
I have been more places than you know and understand what is happening.Bare...I don't hate anything or anyone. In many ways, I feel sorry for those who choose ignorance instead of progress. I am sure you have been many places. You assume I haven't? You clearly have no idea what is happening in other parts of the country even if you have traveled to NJ, NY, CT, PA, DC, MA, RI, VT or NH. These states rely heavily on constant change. When I was in GA, NC, SC, FL, MT and ID, I saw how different these states live their lives. The comment from one person in MT was that she couldn't manage the fast pace of NY or NJ. When I was in GA, I saw how slow things in that state were. I wish I could say slow and steady wins the race there but it didn't. It was an excuse for people not to have to stretch their minds or their bodies to get ahead. Getting ahead is what you'd encounter every minute of every day in any northeastern and I suspect Pacific Rim states. Enlightment has everything to do with observing life and understanding it from the present...not the past as the southern men and women choose. Everything about the south is about the past. What little future is ever discussed has more to do with preventing changes as your posts so clearly indicate with your insistence that progress isn't moving forward but clinging to remnants of a past that most of us prefer to forget...free slave labor to run rich men's plantations so they could profit most handsomely. If you deny this, that makes you a liar.
And
It's called President O and his administration. Are they fighting against the CFR and exposing its aims?
Are they?
...And they certainly could if they w a n t e d to!
But, they don't.Now it's called "know it all" women who have no clue what they are posting about. I've worked in environmental engineering for 23 years. I know well the EPA and state compliance regulations. I also know the righties in the US are hot to make billions off a dirty pipeline that only the state of Big Rich Texas, that Whole Other Country will benefit from. Ask anyone who lives near the drilling rigs in North Dakota what they now think of their foolish allowance of Big Oil in their state. Their water streams are grossly polluted. The EPA doesn't fight against its own CFR regs. It does battle every day with the Big Oil Big Daddies who give a squat about human life and only about profit. Sorry...human life is the priority. Not rich boi profits.
- some one asked me who brainwashed me... now, I ask you that.
I never defend those who seek to lord it over others with their omnipotent intelligence...when it's anything but. I stated facts that you can find anywhere you like on Google. As for brainwashing, those who stick to a bizarre, linear ideology are brainwashed. Those of us who prefer common sense and forward action don't have time to be brainwashed by ultra right wing conservative ideology or the Ayn Rand Me First To Hell with Everyone Else narcissism. A country only moves forward in unity...in division, it becomes an extinct civilization.
See when you use terms like"forward action" I reach for my wallet and guard it carefully.
It's one of those wonderful BS terms used by people like MSNBC. And we all know how intelligent they are.You must really like the Nazi propaganda that they distributed as they incarcerated and then eradicated the Jews.
When government permits the killing of individuals without any judicial proceedings, they are acting the same as the Nazis of WWII.Taburkett....WWII, The Korean War, The Gulf War...did we ask permission to kill individuals in these wars? Men fought against men without knowing their names. All they needed to know was who their enemies were. Sorry. You are wrong. The only pre-emptive war the US engaged in without permission of the people of the US was Iraq. When the then commander-in-chief called for the pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation like Iraq, hoping and praying he was correct about those WMDs. He wasn't. Didn't matter. 4,000 plus military died in Iraq. Do you know their names? You can drop the Nazi reference. It has no relativity and you know it.
Obama is Council on Foreign Relations. He works for them.
July 30, 2008, President Bush issued Executive Order 13470 amending Executive Order 12333. This was part of his war on terror. Basically saying that a person deemed to be an enemy combatant, whether foreign or domestic, can be assasinated. It's legal, carry on Obama. I'm not losing sleep over it. Matter of fact I'll probably forget about thus within 10 minutes mainly because I don't worry about stupid s**t. As for the right wing nut cases out there that are all worked up about this, go put on your patriot costumes and and wave your stupid signs. The rest of us get a kick out of how retarded you all look.
He who laughs first, often laughs last.
So now the American dictator can grant himself powers?
So you think terror is ready to capitulate? Killing someone based on government intelligence?
Where are those WMDs?Those WMDs were a lie. Bush stated that publicly. He took the coward's way out and announced that he had "been misinformed by an Italian informant." Note how that informant remained unnamed? Now isn't that just like a Republican? When it's time for accountability, you slink away like a slime ball?
So you support killing a human being based on "intelligence"?
wait a sec?
What The Franks&beans are you talking about?I support the deaths of any American traitor who works with al Qaeda. Don't you? A traitor is a traitor. Anything less is allowing millions to come to the US who pledge no real allegiance to the country handing them freedoms their mother countries never did or would.
What are YOU talking about?Any civilized nation presents evidence of a crime, seeks a conviction, and distributes justice as to the people's consent. Of course, I do not believe government has the authority to break any laws it is sworn to uphold. You know the whole oath thing and all!
A battlefield is a separate scenario.
What you support is barbaric justice. What we are seeing is merely the establishment of a precedent. The future will allow for a vast expansion of this precedent, it always does.
Allegiance is given to the nation, not a government entity. The United states is a union of fifty sovereign states, not a central dictatorship which has been violating its jurisdiction for decades. Each resident of the U.S.A is a sovereign individual, the supreme authority of the nation, unless you consent to waive this status for handouts!
Murder in the name of the people is abhorrent, it will not last, we will not forgive, we will not forget!so, you wish to eliminate everyone in the current adminiatration that aided the al Qaeda in Libya?
The weapons provided by the US in Libya were provided to al Queda.
That eleimination would include the President, Vice President, and all intelligence staff.
There are a bunch of weapons of mass destruction all over the globe. Many countries have powerful weapons hid. I have heard that Russia is certainly one of them.
Those WMDs are in Russia today. They moved through Syria to Iran and then on to Russia where they were dismantled and then returned to Iran.
The covert foreign powers operating in Iraq always entered through Syria via Iran as a sign of friendship. However, all of the weapons are still circularting as the USA sits idly by waiting to talk to someone again. The Iranians and North Koreans will become stronger as the USA dawdles in their actions.
Republicans and right wing nut jobs have a bad habit of blaming stuff like Obamacare, Executive Order 13470, assault weapon bans on liberals even though they were Republican ideas. Palin and Limbaugh are their heros, what do you expect?
Stop pitting one against the other, here!
We have a common enemy.
It is those in our government who are bringing forth policies that are incomplete alignment with the plans of the New World Order.
Stay on guard, not against each other... thats what they want.
Make Love, Not War.
within our borders.
I know... that is the Utopian in me.
Its so easy to be Utopian...
That which can never be.New World Order? Didn't that lame conspiracy theory die off 20 years ago?
Actually, some are just to naive to see the truth before their eyes.
I think Justin Beiber released a new CD, HURRY!
Sarah Palin believed that the US would achieve economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap into the resources that are right under our feet, (including alternative sources.) She explained that we can develop our resources responsibly and protect our environment at the same time, (as they have done in Alaska.) I believe this too. We love our country, why would we not take care of it?
(She also noted that the developing countries we buy our oil from, do not protect their environments through protective laws. They also exploit their labor forces without concern for human rights. She explained that by buying oil from these countries, we support their "irresponsible" development.)
The following quotes are from the book, Going Rouge, by Sarah Palin.
"The way forward lies in energy independence. It will make us a more peaceful and prosperous nation."
She concluded, "Washington should work to clear the way for domestic energy projects that will ensure that our energy needs will never be at the mercy of madmen in possession of vast oil reserves."
I know she is controversial, but this makes sense to me.Yeah right. Apparently Palin skipped 9th grade economics class. Her useless book can be found in the bargin bins at most book stores.
I got mine today at the Good Will.
What is specifically is wrong with this view point (hers) ?I do not know if other countries drill oil in an environmentally friendly way. It would be nice if they did, but were talking third world countries here. For some reason some people think that by drilling for oil here will make the price of gas, and countless other petroleum products cheaper. That's not how it works. Do you think that oil companies (companies have one purpose in life - to make money) that drills oil in this country than the going rate on the world market? For the last 100 years, oil makes the world go around and economies rise and fall on the price of oil. Before that it was gold and lumber. It would make better sense to focus on alternative energy and reduce our dependence on oil.
- ahorsebackposted 11 years ago
0Oh man , The absolute ignorance flying around this thread is almost unbelievable , even before the cold war days assasinations of domestic or foriegn threats to our way of life were acceptable ! In any country -Not just the USA, ....
one - the war on terrorism is a new age war demanding new age rules of engaging our enemy .
two - If any President choses ,because of political ideals, to change the rules of fighting such a war , he cant !
three- Our legal system has no rights or jurisdiction in other countries .
four - Its not up for vote , YOU don't get to validate your ideals or beliefs in our political offfensive or defensive actions by our government .thank God !
five - One would think that passivist ideals might lead passivists to go find their own country . - ahorsebackposted 11 years ago0
Reality bites , wwoowow , where do you come up with this stuff , did you ever write for the cartoon world or sci-fi channels , you should man !
- ahorsebackposted 11 years ago0
Paul Winget ! I hope that one day as you are peeking out of your freedom protected home window for the real enemy that an American soldier is the one that drives through your neighboorhood on patrol , AND that that soldier actually lives in a house trailer ! I would absolutely love to see the pitifully contrite look onyour face ! And I even hope that soldier is a liberal ! Jeees--- ! mature up man !
I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading. I really can't. Labeling people right or left, insulting them based on gender or region is disgusting. Personal attacks are a means of saying "I have no viable argument so I am going to attack something about the person".
Beginning with the Patriot Act and going through the NDAA, and all the atrocities spawned across two administrations is a real sign there is something wrong with this country. All in the illusion of wanting to be safe do we give up freedoms and rights. The drone program(I assume most of you know they are flying in American skies) is an impartial means of dispensing death. Targeting any American based on suspicion of terrorism is a direct violation of that Americans rights to a trial by peers. And as the past has proven over and over again "intelligence and information" are suspect at best.
Suppose a legitimate business man is on a trip and helps a "terrorist" to his feet and exchanges a few polite words with him. Not knowing who the person is. An intelligence source captures this exchange and as it goes up the chain of command it grows from seen with associate of terrorism to exchanged information. Now that legitimate American can be targeted for death without a trial. How is that right? How is it right that they can tap phones, spy on us, and kill us without a trial or proof?
It is quite honestly a scary step in the wrong direction.Innocent Iraqis were captured exactly as you described off the streets of Baghdad from 2002 until 2006 during the Bush Administration. Many of them were nothing more than cab drivers who had driven someone they couldn't identify as al Qaeda. How was that right? How was it right to waterboard them when they had no trial. Gitmo had thousands of these innocent Iraqi under arrest and many were tortured. Where was the concern for that? Then, the hideous conservative warmongers of the Bush Administration realized they were caught in their own do do....they couldn't bring these captives to trial in US courts nor could they use military law since they weren't part of the military. Let's really talk about stupidity.
I completely agree. I spoke out about at the time as well. And burned up my representatives emails and phone lines voicing my displeasure. Its a sad state what people give up or accept just to feel safe.
- ahorsebackposted 11 years ago0
Theres an old saying "fear not the laws ,if your not doing anything unlawfal ! " I WANT to know my country flys silently above me protecting our way of life , And if they do fly to Iraq and dust off a terrorists headquarters , then they don't have to do it here next year!
EWent and all the other lefties!
Obama admin says they can target AMERICAN CITIZENS if 'they' deem them terrosist!...........isnt this what Hitler did to Jews?
Im all for killing AlQaeda, but if they are Americans they deserve judge and jury!
As for Southern states taking in more tax money from the federal govt Ewent,.........its because they PAID in more! EAch state gets a percentage back! We have 5.1% unemployment in my Southern state, deny that all you want! but its true! I love you lefty libs coming after success while you mire in gangland, unionized, broke state doom and gloom!If you are in Pakistan and hanging out with al Qaeda...should we pat you on the fanny and tell you "no no?" Get real. You hang with terrorists? You ARE a terrorist, American or not.
Your kind of righteous righty ideology is getting a lot stale. The Obama Administration is the best thing that has happened to this country for numerous reasons...The cost of using drones reduces the cost of our American military lives. Unless, of course, you'd volunteer to fight in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Southern states DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT pay more. Texas pays a single dollar and it gets back $1.72. My state, NJ, pays our dollar and we get back 61 cents on that dollar. How about some truth? You righties are pushing your idiotic agenda down the wrong throats. We just regurgitate truth right back at you. You need proof of the Porker States? Check the government website. The only northern state that buddies up for pork is Maine and that's because some parts of ME are conservative.
This action by the Obama Administration is simply a global cover established to defray any mistakes someone might make when taking action against an American.
It also permits people in certain positions to determine a way to eliminate their opponents.
President Obama creates generalities in policy so that he can do what he wants when he wants.
These actions should be overturned by the people's servants in Congress, but too many of them wish to continue the chaos so that they can continue to operate their covert activities.
It is unconstitutional to go after any citizen without judicial proceedings - unless you want a Nazi style government.
U.S. Constitution
Article III.
Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think you have an awfully convenient if not somewhat vengeful memory. It was barely a dozen years ago, your hero conservative president, struck a deal with the devil to start a war in Iraq he knew Cheney's Halliburton and Bush's Eric Prince of Blackwater would profit most from. Come on pallie...let's hear the denials.
That entire war is a black mark on the US and will be forever. No matter how you try to launder facts. The laundry you present is still all too soiled.So arrest them, charge them. try them, and put them in prison.
Why doesn't that happen?And by the way, have you noticed that in January 2009, the entire US economy nearly crashed and going after Bush and Cheney wasn't a priority? Why doesn't it happen? Because as we all recall, the first thing Bush did to protect his old man was to shred all of the documents that were connected to his old man's involvement in IranContraGate. What would make any intelligent person think before Bush and Cheney left office, those shredders were going full steam to protect their butts?
You just don't like admitting you are wrong about more than just the Obama Administration. Try change for a change. It might cause a bit of culture shock in the Porker States but change is always good for improvements.Baloney.
One of the reasons Barack was elected....amongst other things he neer did...was people belived he would have them skinned alive. You know that.Bare...What I know is that your posts are pure Rush Trailor Trash Limbaugh rhetoric. Here are some facts for you that you and your kind will NEVER and I do mean NEVER admit even if God demand it of you: This President was elected by a 62% majority of the popular vote in 2008. Your Rip Van Romo didn't even get 50% of the popular vote in 2012.
Your post gets about as nutty as something out of Appalachia. Skinned them alive? Is that DogPatch Speak for "Ah really hate a black president and cain't admit to y'all?" or is it DogPatch Speak for "Ah cain't have mah way so's ah'll make life as miserable as ah cain for anyone who "ain't" DogPatchers with limited brain powah?" Take the hint. He IS the president whether you and the rest of DogPatch Lil Abners and Lazy Daisy Maes like it or not. Suffer thee in silence to bear the unbearable.Boy is that sad.
You really don't have anything do you? That's when you resort to hate speech tactics like that.And of course you have to bring race into it which proves you have lost your way.
I remember looking at your profile and thinking..here is a professional.
Too bad the way you conduct yourself in these forums shows that you are anything but professional.I have to agree. Ad hominem, not addressing anybody's points, straw-men . . .
This is not the intended spirit of these forums, regardless of what your ideology is.
taburkett...Ironically, if the US didn't target these terrorists, how fast do you think they'd make Israel disappear? What's with the righties protecting terrorists? Is it that Americans terrorists all recognize each other no matter how far across the globe their terrorist cells increase and destroy? Israel and the Jews ARE the targets. If you don't want drones getting rid of them, volunteer for military duty.
The greatest enemy we have is ego.
"They" are using our egos against us to get us to do knee-jerk reactions.
The best thing we can do is not to play their game. Walk away.
So what if NIST scientists lied about 9/11 and participated in the cover up of corporate-government murder of innocents on that day. So what? Forgive them and help others to become aware of what is really going on.
We share a common enemy and it is ego.
If we remain divided, then "they" will have won.It's always easy to use an individual's super ego against them. They hand us that weapon and we use it to advantage. Super egos most always are founded upon ignorance of facts.
I live in NJ. I saw a very different view of 9/11 than someone living in Dallas, San Francisco, Chicago or Atlanta. I live 45 minutes from New York City. There was NO conspiracy. The events that occured on 9/11 were already proven. What some men and women won't own up to is their culpability for ignoring all the red flags that were right under Bush's nose. But when getting a war going for Halliburton means so much to Texas economy, you can bet your long horns that Iraq would be the priority and not 11 terrorists, none of whom were from Iraq. Of the 11, 10 were Saudis and 1 was an Egyptian. All were trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan by the now dead bin Laden whom President Obama promised to take out. I am more than proud of this president for keeping ALL of his promises thus far. This is what GREAT leaders do. They bring their country out of a September 2008 Financial Meltdown caused by a 3 time loser president and VP and move the country forward by constant encouragement and constant vigilence over our national security.
4 years and not a single attack on US soil. And, according to all international sources in just the last 4 years, more al Qaeda operatives are dead and al Qaeda is seriously weakened. Cut the head off the snake and the tail just wiggles and waggles in no particular direction. This is the accomplishment of THIS president.Not a single one?
22. Hassan Abujihaad—March 2008. Hassan Abujihaad, a former U.S. Navy sailor from Phoenix, Arizona, was convicted of supporting terrorism and disclosing classified information, including the location of Navy ships and their vulnerabilities, to Babar Ahmad and Syed Talha Ahsan, the alleged administrators of Azzam Publication Web sites (the London organization that provided material support and resources to terrorists). Abujihaad was arrested in March 2007 and pled not guilty to charges of supporting terrorism in April 2007. In May 2008, he was convicted by a jury and sentenced to 10 years in prison.[73] In 2010, his conviction was upheld in a federal court of appeals.[74] Both Babar Ahmad and Syed Talha Ahsan are being held in Britain on anti-terrorism charges and are fighting extradition to the U.S.[75]
23. Christopher Paul—June 2008. Christopher Paul is a U.S. citizen from Columbus, Ohio. He joined al-Qaeda in the 1990s and was involved in conspiracies to target Americans in the United States and overseas. In 1999, he became connected to an Islamic terrorist cell in Germany, where he was involved in a plot to target Americans at foreign vacation resorts. He later returned to Ohio and was subsequently arrested for conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction—specifically, explosive devices—“against targets in Europe and the United States.” Paul pled guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.[76]
24. Synagogue Terror Plot—May 2009. On May 20, 2009, the New York Police Department announced the arrest of James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams, and Laguerre Payen for plotting to blow up New York-area Jewish centers and shoot down planes at a nearby Air National Guard Base.[77] The four had attempted to gain access to Stinger missiles and were caught in the act of placing bombs in the buildings and in a car. (The bombs were duds, because undercover agents sold the four defendants fake explosives as part of an ongoing sting operation). All four men were found guilty. In June 2011, James Cromitie, David Williams, and Onta Williams were sentenced to 25 years in prison.[78] Laguerre Payen’s sentencing has been postponed pending psychiatric evaluation.[79]
25. Najibullah Zazi—September 2009 . Najibullah Zazi, a 24-year-old Afghane, was arrested after purchasing large quantities of chemicals used to make a TATP bomb, the same type of weapon used in the 2005 bombing of the London Underground and the 2001 shoe-bomb plot. Zazi had traveled to Pakistan, where he received instruction in bomb-making and attended an al-Qaeda training camp. Zazi allegedly planned to detonate TATP bombs on the New York City subway.[80]It has since been found that the plot was directed by senior al-Qaeda leadership in Pakistan.[81]
Najibullah Zazi’s father, Mohammed Wali Zazi, was also indicted for obstructing justice, witness tampering, and lying to the FBI in attempts to help his son cover up plans for his attack.[82]A cousin of Zazi, Amanullah Zazi, also publicly admitted that he played a role in Zazi’s 2009 plot. Amanullah pled guilty in secret and agreed to become a government witness in federal court in Brooklyn against Najibullah’s father.[83] The father has since been found guilty, and faces up to 40 years in prison.[84] Najibullah Zazi pled guilty, as the result of a plea bargain, and remains in jail. He is currently awaiting sentencing.[85]
At least three other individuals have since been arrested on allegations of conspiring to carry out the attack with Zazi. One of them, New York religious leader Ahmad Afzali, has pled guilty to charges of lying to federal agents about informing Zazi that he was being investigated by authorities. [86] As part of a plea deal, Afzali was sentenced to time served and ordered to leave the country within 90 days.[87] A second man, Zarein Ahmedzay has also pled guilty to conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction in the foiled plot and lying to investigators. Adis Medunjanin has pled not guilty to conspiracy to commit murder in a foreign country and to receiving terrorist training.[88] Ahmedzay and Medunjanin are thought to have traveled to Pakistan with Zazi, and to have met with wanted al-Qaeda operative Adnan El Shukrijumah, who has also been charged in the plot.[89] A fourth individual, Abid Nasser, has also been indicated in the plot led by Zazi, as well as other plots in England and Norway. He is currently in the United Kingdom facing extradition to the United States.[90] Also charged in the plot are, Tariq Ur Rehman, and a fifth defendant known as “Ahmad,” “Sohaib,” or “Zahid.” Both El Shukrijumah and Rehman are not in custody.[91]
26. Hosam Maher Husein Smadi —September 2009. Smadi, a 19-year-old Jordanian, was apprehended in an attempt to plant a bomb in a Dallas skyscraper. Originally identified through FBI monitoring of extremist chat rooms, Smadi was arrested and charged after agents posing as terrorist cell members gave Smadi a fake bomb, which he later attempted to detonate.[92] Smadi was found guilty and sentenced to 24 years in prison.[93]
27 . Michael Finton —September 2009. Michael Finton, an American citizen, was arrested on September 23, 2009, by undercover FBI agents after attempting to detonate a car bomb filled with what he believed to be close to one ton of explosives outside the Paul Findley Federal Building and Courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois. The blast was also intended to destroy the nearby office of Representative Aaron Schock (D–IL).[94] Evidence presented against Finton has shown that he expressed a desire to become a jihadist fighter and was aware that his planned attack would cause civilian injuries. He has been arrested on charges of attempted murder of federal employees and attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction. Finton pled guilty and was sentenced to 28 years in prison.[95]
28. Tarek Mehanna and Ahmad Abousamra—October 2009. Tarek Mehanna, previously indicted for lying to the FBI about the location of terrorist suspect Daniel Maldonado, was arrested on October 21, 2009, on allegations of conspiracy to kill two U.S. politicians, American troops in Iraq, and civilians in local shopping malls, as well as conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist organization.[96] Ahmad Abousamra, his co-conspirator, remains at large in Syria. However, both were indicted on charges of providing and conspiring to provide material support to terrorists, conspiracy to kill Americans in a foreign country, and conspiracy to provide false information to law enforcement.[97]
The two men are not believed to be associated with any known terrorist organization.[98] Mehanna has pled not guilty to charges against him, while Abousamra remains at large in Syria.[99]
29. The Christmas Day Bomber—2009. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old Nigerian engineering student living in London, boarded a plane from Nigeria to Amsterdam and then flew from Amsterdam to the U.S. It was on this second flight when he attempted to detonate a bomb hidden in his underwear as the plane began to land. The device ignited but did not detonate, and passengers quickly stopped Abdulmutallab from trying again, leading to his arrest by U.S. authorities upon landing in Detroit. The bomb, containing the explosives PETN and TATP, was similar to the failed device used by Richard Reid in his shoe in 2001.
Media accounts following the plot indicate that Abdulmutallab admits involvement with al-Qaeda in Yemen. He has since pled not guilty to charges including conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.[100] He remains in custody in the U.S. awaiting further trial.
30. Raja Lahrasib Khan—March 2010. Chicago taxi driver Raja Lahrasib Khan, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Pakistan, was arrested by the Chicago FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force on two counts of providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization. According to the charges, Khan was affiliated with Ilyas Kashmiri, leader of the al-Qaeda-linked extremist group Harakat ul-Jihad-I-Islami in Kashmir, and has previously been indicted in the U.S. on terrorism charges.[101]
Khan originally transferred $950 to Pakistan, to be delivered to Kashmiri, and later attempted to send around $1,000 provided to him by an undercover agent to Kashmiri by having his son carry the money to England, where Khan then planned to rendezvous with him and carry the money the rest of the way to Pakistan. His son was stopped by government agents at Chicago’s O’Hare airport before leaving the country. The criminal complaint filed against Khan also alleges that he had discussed plans to bomb an unnamed sports stadium in the United States.
Khan has since pled not guilty to two counts of providing material support to terrorism.[102] If convicted, Khan faces up to 15 years in prison for each count of providing material support.[103]
31. Faisal Shahzad—May 2010. Faisal Shahzad, a naturalized citizen from Pakistan, attempted to detonate explosives in an SUV parked in Times Square. After explosives training in Pakistan, he is said to have received $12,000 from entities affiliated with the terrorist organization Tehrik-e-Taliban to fund the attack. Following the failed bombing attempt, Shahzad attempted to flee the country to Dubai, but was arrested before the flight was able to leave New York’s JFK airport.[104]
Shahzad pled guilty to 10 counts, including conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism and to use a weapon of mass destruction.[105] He was sentenced to life in prison and is being held at the same Colorado maximum-security prison as Richard Reid and Jose Padilla.[106]
32. Paul G. Rockwood, Jr. and Nadia Piroska Maria Rockwood—July 2010. Paul G. Rockwood, Jr., an American citizen, became an adherent to Anwar al-Awlaki’s ideology of violent jihad after converting to Islam. In studying al-Awlaki’s teachings, Rockwood came to believe it was his religious responsibility to seek revenge against anyone who defiled Islam. He created a list of 15 individuals to be targeted for assassination, including several members of the U.S. military. Rockwood is said to have researched explosive techniques and discussed the possibility of killing his targets with a gunshot to the head or through mail bombs. Nadia Piroska Maria Rockwood, Paul’s wife, knowingly transported the list to Anchorage, Alaska, to share with an unnamed individual who apparently shared Rockwood’s ideology. The list then made it into the hands of the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in Anchorage.
Paul was charged with making false statements to the FBI in a domestic terrorism charge, while Nadia was charged with making false statements to the FBI in connection to the case against her husband. Paul was sentenced to eight years in prison, while his wife was sentenced to five years probation.[107]
33. Farooque Ahmed—October 2010. Pakistani-American Farooque Ahmed was arrested following an FBI investigation into plots to attack the Washington, D.C., subway. Ahmed is said to have conducted surveillance on the D.C. Metrorail system on multiple occasions, and was in contact with undercover FBI agents whom he believed to be individuals affiliated with al-Qaeda.[108] According to an unsealed affidavit, Ahmed wanted to receive terrorist training overseas and become a martyr. The affidavit also indicates that he sought to specifically target military personnel in his bombing attempt.[109]
Ahmed pled guilty to charges of material support and collecting information for a terrorist attack on a transit facility. He was then immediately sentenced to 23 years in prison.[110]
34. Air Cargo Bomb Plot—October 2010. Two packages shipped from Yemen to Chicago-area synagogues were discovered to contain explosive materials of the same type used by Richard Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in previously thwarted bombing attempts.[111] The packages contained printer cartridges filled with the explosive material and were identified with the help of intelligence tips from Saudi Arabian authorities while in transit on cargo planes in the United Kingdom and Dubai.[112] While no arrests have been made, the Yemen-based Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) has claimed responsibility for the failed attack.
35. Mohamed Osman Mohamud—November 2010. Mohamed Osman Mohamud, a 19-year-old Somali-American, was arrested after attempting to detonate a car bomb at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The bomb was composed of inert explosives given to him by undercover FBI agents. Mohamud had previously sought to travel overseas to obtain training in violent jihad. Having failed in that attempt, he wanted to commit an attack that would cause mass casualties to individuals and their families.[113] Mohamud has pled not guilty to the charges.[114]
36. Antonio Martinez—December 2010. Antonio Martinez, a 21-year-old American citizen also known as Muhammad Hussain, planned to bomb a military recruiting center in Maryland. The FBI learned of the plot from an unnamed informant. Martinez was arrested after attempting to detonate a fake explosive device supplied by FBI agents. He has been charged with attempted murder of federal officers and employees, as well as attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction.[115] He has pled not guilty and awaits further trial.[116]
37. Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari—February 2011. Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, a Saudi citizen studying in Lubbock, Texas, was arrested by the FBI after placing an order for the toxic chemical phenol. Both the chemical supplier and the freight shipping company became suspicious of the order, which could be used to make an improvised explosive device (IED), and alerted the FBI and local police. Surveillance of Aldawsari’s e-mail turned up a list of potential “nice targets” including dams, nuclear power plants, military targets, a nightclub, and the Dallas residence of former President George W. Bush. The search also recovered plans to acquire a forged U.S. birth certificate and multiple driver’s licenses. Aldawsari seems to have considered using these documents to obtain rental cars for use in vehicle bombings. He has pled not guilty to charges of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and faces up to life in prison.[117]
38. Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh—May 2011. Ahmed Ferhani of Algeria, and Moroccan-born Mohamed Mamdouh, a U.S. citizen, were arrested by the New York Police Department after attempting to purchase a hand grenade, guns, and ammunition to attack on an undetermined Manhattan synagogue. The men planned on disguising themselves as Orthodox Jews in order to sneak into the synagogue.[118] Reports have also cited the Empire State Building as a possible second target.[119] Both men face charges of conspiracy to commit a crime of terrorism and conspiracy to commit a hate crime, as well as criminal possession of a weapon.[120]
39. Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif and Walli Mujahidh—June 2011. In a raid on a warehouse in Seattle, the FBI arrested Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif and Walli Mujahidh. The two suspects had arranged to purchase weapons from an unnamed informant in contact with the Seattle Police Department. They were looking to purchase automatic machine guns and grenades in preparation for an attack on a military recruiting station in Seattle. Since the arrests have been made, authorities have learned that Abdul-Latif, a felon and Muslim convert, had initially planned to attack the Joint Base Lewis–McChord with his friend, Los Angeles resident Mujahidh. The target was later changed to the Seattle Military Entrance Processing Station for undisclosed reasons. [121]
The men have been charged with conspiracy to murder officers and employees of the United States government, conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, and possession of firearms in furtherance of crimes of violence. Abdul-Latif has also been charged with two counts of illegal possession of firearms.[122] Both men are in custody awaiting trial.
40. Emerson Winfield Begolly—August 2011. Begolly, a moderator and supporter for the internationally known Islamic extremist Web forum Ansar al-Mujahideen English Forum (AMEF), was arrested on charges of terrorist actions involving solicitation to commit a crime of violence and distribution of information in relation to explosives, destructive devices, and weapons of mass destruction. Through his profile on AMEF, the Pennsylvania-born man solicited others to engage in violent acts of terrorism against post offices, water plants, military facilities, bridges, train lines, and Jewish schools. Begolly also used the Web site to post a downloadable 101-page document that contains information on how to manufacture chemical explosives. The instructional document is loosely linked to al-Qaeda’s former top chemical and biological weapons expert Abu Khabbab al Misri. Begolly pled guilty to counts of soliciting others to engage in acts of terrorism within the U.S., and attempting to use a 9-mm semi-automatic handgun during an assault upon inquiring FBI agents. He is currently awaiting further trial.[123]
http://www.heritage.org/research/report … -on-terrorThis took a lot of effort. Thank you, for this report, Reality Bytes
Do you ever have a clue what you are talking about or is the insulting manner just what you get off on?
- ahorsebackposted 11 years ago0
Just a question here ! But ......oh the hell with it , Just what would it really take for the O.P. and soo many of these commenters to accept that, Yes We have an enemy in the world ! [scenario ]" News Flash !
"The entire city of New York was just obliterated from the map by a dirty bomb allegedly planted by %#@@&%# !"...... Details to follow !".........I mean ............, really Would anyone ever get on your list of defined "Enemy Combatents " .......or are you all merely moral weaklings ?Who is we? The people?
I will admit there are tyrants all over the world trying to implement their own conception of freedom!
When exactly can there be a claim of victory in this war?
Why don't you research what NATO did in Libya overthrowing a government with no declared war. How f'ing civilized, peace bombs, eh? Libyans should be on their knees licking our boots for devastating their nation in partnership with......wait....Al Qaeda, NATOs willing allies.
http://isearch.avg.com/search?s=sideNav … aeda+libya
http://isearch.avg.com/videos?s=sideNav … aeda+libya
The government has designated me a gang member, I am Not!
I am also labelled a "threat" because I claim my sovereign status, BS!
I am no gang member, nor am I a threat to anyone. This does not stop the corporation of the UNITED STATES from designating me as such. Yet I am supposed to refrain from calling out these corporate fascists for what they are, I think not!Both sides in Syria commit war crimes including murder, torture, UN says
"Of course we were able to identify high-level perpetrators," del Ponte said, adding that these were people "in command responsibility … deciding, organizing, planning and aiding and abetting the commission of crimes."
She said it was urgent for the Hague-based war crimes tribunal to take up cases of very high officials but did not identify them, in line with the inquiry's practice.
'A crime against humanity'
"Government forces and affiliated militias have committed extra-judicial executions, breaching international human rights law. This conduct also constitutes the war crime of murder. Where murder was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population, with knowledge of that attack, it is a crime against humanity," the U.N. report said.
Those forces have targeted bakery queues and funeral processions to spread "terror among the civilian population."
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/
Syria is different, they do not use "peaceful bombs"?From right wing extremist Dan Rather:
Rather also spoke about drones (in response to a HuffPost Live community question), saying he doesn't believe "that any one person, not even the President, should have the power alone to call strikes on other American citizens like what was done in Yemen" and calling for a "national debate" about whether and how the U.S. government should use drones.
"I think decent-intending people with common sense can work out a way to use the drone weaponry when it's appropriate to use it and with the proper checks and balances," Rather said. "We do not have those checks and balances in place right now. We need them.... We need to have a national debate about this. We need to have a consensus decision: are we going to use drones under any circumstances? If so, what are those circumstances, and who's going to check on the power?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/2 … 49563.htmlThis, of course, is one of the turnips who insisted you had to vote for the man whom he is now complaining about abusing his powers.
Right? Right.
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