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Kenneth C Agudo says
He was never an angel
Prov 16:4 The Lord has made all for Himself,Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
Isa 54:1616 "Behold, I have created the blacksmithWho blows the coals in the fire,or his work;And I have created the spoiler to destroy.
yes Michael I never do a study without knowing the original language meaning of the scriptures used. and that context is correct. Sometimes context is a chapter or more, tho I may only use a few verses
My apology, sir. Does " anyone" was meant not you pesonally. The idea is , we're dealing with the texts , including original while we " were " not right there to be able to pinpoint the fact when an angel became a fallen" satan " this far we know
the bible clearly states in more than 2 places that "everything" including principalities and powers were created by and for God . and also that all angels that sinned ARE in chains til the judgement, how can this unbound satan be a fallen angel
The fallen angels in chains of darkness dont mean they are bound in one place, they can move freely in the earth.
chevy-- being cast down to hell and in chains 2 Pet and reserved in chains of darkness for judgement -- Jude 6--- the greek words used in these show as restrained/bound and in darkness and gloom -- in Hell - they do not roam on earth- check them
Then what possesses people? devils, and devils are fallen angels.
Jude 6 - He hath Reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment
2 Pet.delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment
Reserved Unto judgment
chevy-- is it ok to send an email there is not enough room here.
The non Christian is under the control of satan as he is the god of this world. for the believer we have to 1st look at James 1:14. based on this, the only thing he can do is tempt
Sure it's ok , but satan is not omnipresent. Like I used Rev.12 to show a truth, satan led the 3rd of the angels and they were all cast out of Heaven Into the earth. Future but it shows where they've been all along.
if you choose to not see I cannot change that. using an event that is in the future to show how satan got in the garden is ridiculous. access see Job 1:1, Job 2:1. What kind of a god lets his creation outsmart him and harrass his people??
I never said he wasnt in the garden, using a future reference is not ridiculous either. God had angels long before the earth began. Your hub never proved satan was created in the garden. So was the other fallen angels created there also?
chevy-- i will email you not room enough here to answer
Its amazing that in places where there has been no teaching from American and bri1tsh "missionaries they do not believe it because they see for themselves it is not true. Kenya, china, ind
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JT read my hub" where did satan come from" for detailed study
then I will answer any questions you have. ok
T. Clifton says
you have clearly drunk the kool aid. all scriptures were used in context
if you understood scripture you would know Lucifer was the king of babylon Nebudknezzar. as it says in IS 14:4-- satan present in Gen but was not satan til isiaah hmmm wrong!
Interesting Dashing I can write a hub about those. As for me, since I am a Christian I follow New Testament Law. And celeafoe I reread his answer and still say it has a lot to do with the question. Still it was a good ques I was grumpy yesterday
correct translation OT:7523 ratsach (raw-tsakh'); a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder: as all opinions are useless , we need to have scriptural truth on anything we believe.
Yes, that's right. Not only in Christianity, but in all Scriptures, when things are quoted out of context, the resulting conclusion does not lead to truth.
not 1 scripture that I used was out of context, but all that are used to show the false doctrine are taken completely out of context. the 2 used to make it are both talking to specific men and not satan. accept the lies or truth your choice
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He is not a fakken angel, he was in the garden. They angels that fell are BOUND UNTIL JUDGEMENT. Is. is about Nebuchadnezzar and EZ. is not about satan you have surely drunk the kool aid Satan was in the garden before IS or EZ. Rev is not yet
ok, so who is addressing in chapter 28? but remember whoever is being addressed it is said "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God" and "thou wast created" also God says "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so
"The prince of Tyrus" at the time was Ithobal, or Ithbaal II.
Wrong, The one being addressed was called the anointed cherub, not a man, 2 Cannot be Neb, Neb was not anointed nor in the garden of Eden. 3 cannot be Adam, Adam was long dead before this time.
and please take the limits off the comments.
verse 2 of EZ in the original langusage calls him "son of man, a man you are."
tell me how to remove the limit, i hate the short space for an answer
Are you saying satan was an evil being in Heaven long before earth, or that he was an evil being that came with the beginning of earth?
Fallen angels are in chains of darkness but they have free roam on earth.
no satan was not in heaven ( tho he had access before CHrist) he is a part of creation in the garden. he is an earthy creation. and any thing or any one that is BOUND is not free to run around. you cant bind a spirit being with iron chain
First, what scriptures to prove satan was part of earthly creation.
If all the fallen angels are bound and cannot roam the earth, then what possesses people?
read my hub , "where did satan come from" and then ask any questions you still have
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