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Emergence of a New Religion

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    First Commandments of the New Religion.

    I.  Believe in nothing without proof.
    II. One should close one's mind to all possibilities.

    Looking for a name for this new religion and more precepts to follow.

    What does this religion worship?

    Concrete Reality

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      You got the first bit right. Believe nothing. That actually means be open to every possibility should it prove a high probability of reflecting reality.

      Belief is redundant, can be dangerous as we see from our Muslim friends this time, and is limiting. It's also never required. You would be unwise to believe something speculative. People get themselves in trouble for that all the time. And it is redundant to believe a fact. It requires the knowledge that it is a fact for it to be accepted. Belief one way or the other is irrelevant. It changes nothing.

      One name for this relatively new religion that takes it's wisdom from Science and attempts to live by the scientific method is Rational or Scientific Pantheism. I've written a few hubs about it.

      What does it worship? Knowledge and understanding. It also celebrates the amazing fact that we are alive and that all things are intimately connected.

    2. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      I.  Believe in nothing without proof.

      We could be dreaming at any given moment.  Maybe we could pinch ourselves every five minutes to remove all doubt and empirically prove that we are awake, at all times. The proof being, black and blue, from head to toe, by the end of the day.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        Yes, in this movement, "Recipe for Peace", self-pinching would be allowed. Why, I don't know... it seems a little violent! mad
        You, PhoenixV, are in.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    III. Sources such as You Tube, The Bible, On-line references are not to be referred to / trusted.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    IV. Trust and believe without question whatever theories Science postulates / Scientists reveal.

    Edit: * Look at the facts and come to your own conclusions. (Thank you, Janesix)

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      Or, look at the facts and come to your own conclusions.

      But I like the rest of your ideas. Well done.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        Indeed. I shall edit based on this astute suggestion.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    V. Do not teach children or others anything in regards to Moral Boundaries as they are natural / built-in to Human Nature.

    * All people have the right to follow whatever boundaries they so choose.
    * No one is to impose one's own sense of what is right onto another.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      Except, of course, we have a democracy where boundries are implemented based on what the most people agree is "morally" right.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        The New Religion will abolish them.
        ALL drugs will soon be legal.

        Punishing anyone for ( scratch: the natural right of free-will)
        EDIT: Punishing anyone for True-Instinct based behavior will soon be done away with.
        ( Unless they proclaim that humans do not have freewill!!! yikes !!! I am not sure!)
        Maybe they will make free-will illegal.
        In which case, all problems solved.
        I 'm getting confused.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

          What is "natural right of freewill behavior'?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            Doing what one likes. As in, one has the natural right to act according to whatever one deems appropriate in any given scenario.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

              How is that a natural right?

              What is a "right", anyway?

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

                VII. Concrete Reality demands Absolute Equality. However,  Natural Rights do not exist.

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 20 months ago in reply to this

                  We can do what we like as long as no one stops us. Rights are taken, demanded, agreed upon, and given or taken way. Rights are no good to you if you can't use them, even natural ones like eating. While it is a necessity it isn't a right unless it is protected.

                  Rights don't exist outside societies. A dog hunts and kills for food. It's not it's right,its it's nature. A right is an entitlement. Those don't exist outside a cooperative structure.

                  Free will is a nonsense phrase. We all have will, and it is the manifestation of who and what we are. Our will is unique because who we are is unique, because our conditioning is unique and our genetic predispositions are unique. But there is nothing free about it.

                  We all do things we decide we want to do. Do you like ice cream? What flavor do you like? What made you decide to like it? Oh.. that's not something you decided. You just like it.

                  We don't choose what we like, yet we do the things we like or think best. How is that free will? It certainly is will. But not free.

                  Free will might be doing something for really no reason at all that relates to nothing, without a history behind any of it.

                  In other words, something useless.

                  Oh, and there is no such thing as a selfless act. I've written a hub by that title should you be interested in my reasons for saying that.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

                    Do you believe in true-instinct morals?  What are they based on?
                    OR
                    Do You believe in The Ten Commandments?

                    Do you believe in peace for all?
                    OR
                    Do you believe in the rights of life, liberty an the pursuit of happiness for the individual?

                    Do you believe these rights are to be taken by the strongest?
                    OR
                    Given by God?

                    Do you believe the Rich are to be exempted and vilified because obviously they are greedy U-know whats?
                    OR
                    Do you believe the Golden Rule is to be followed/applied by/to everyone?

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    are moral boundaries instinctive according to this new religion?
    Maybe only when one acts according to one's free will, will one get into trouble.
      Therefore  the New Religion could actually expect practitioners to follow their moral instincts as opposed to free will.

    VI. Follow your inbuilt natural instincts as far as moral code. Free-will does not exist. If you imagine you have free-will, it is a nonsensical delusion and as such, it is to to be ignored.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      I doubt that morals are instinctive. I thought everyone had an inborn sense of right and wrong.  I used to think so until I realized many people don't have the same morals that I have.

      For instance, I think it is morally wrong to have an abortion unless there is a medical crisis for the mother. Obviously, the majority of people in the united states think it's ok to kill babies because they vote for laws to protect their "rights" to kill babies.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        Morals are built-in / instinctive.
        If you are not pro-choice, you are committing the sin of independent thinking…i.e. free-will thought.
        Obviously.
        You are not a candidate for this religion, Janesix, Sorry. (Almost, but not quite.)

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

          If morals are built in, why do different people have different morals?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            But, this is what the atheists have told me over and over. That morals are built in!
            I don't know!
            Where do morals come from, if not instinctive?????
            Reason?

            What is the "moral" reason behind Pro-choice?
            Why do YOU not subscribe to the reason?

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

              "But, this is what the atheists have told me over and over. That morals are built in!
              I don't know! "        Not all atheists. Wilderness, for one, thinks that everyone has different morals and has said so on multiple occasions.


              " Where do morals come from, if not instinctive?????
              Reason?"         There seems to be a continuum of "rightness" For instance, "most" three year old will naturally help someone without reward. I've seen studies on it. I think it has to be a mixture of natural altruism, learned behavior, and experience.

              "What is the moral reason behind Pro-choice?
              Why do YOU not subscribe to the reason?"      Here I have no clue why anyone would think it is morally superior to kill an unwanted baby. Or even that it is OK.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    True Instinct Morals:
    1. Pro-Choice
    2. Economic Equality
    3. No Self Interest
    4. Political loyalty is due to those who who work for economic equality.
    5. Work for the good of ALL as a unified entity, not for the individual as a single entity.
    6.  "Peace will rule over war."
    7.  If anyone accidentally or intentionally perceives God, that person is immediately disqualified as a member of "Recipe for Peace."  (This is the new name of this movement. Can't really be called a "religion," after all.)

    What is the *reason* for these, so far?
    The reason, as far as I can tell, is to establish PEACE for all.

    Peace man! cool

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      Where do you think morals come from, Kathryn?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        Where do I think THESE morals come from?
        For the sake of peace for all.

        Actual morals come from LOVE:  true Love.
        So, I agree with Pro-Life.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      See updates.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        No one having self interest is then in everyone's self interest? Peace certainly is, or would be.Perhaps self interest isn't all bad?

        It's actually the reason we do everything. There is no way around it. You can't separate yourself from your acts. Perhaps the only selfless acts are accident's? Not what you have in mind though, eh?

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

          This is a movement based on the concrete reality of utopianism.
          Self-interest is not allowed in the name of peace for all.
          I don't think you understand this movement.
          I detect you are not interested in joining. If you were, you would give up self-interest.
          Do you believe in universal health care?

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            Then your saying it is in everyone's self interest not to have self interest, which is a logical problem, or more properly: a problem in the logic. It's contradictory. It negates it's own premise because world peace would benefit most of us, and is in our self interest. So negating all self interest negates the desire for world peace.

          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            "Do you believe in universal health care?"

            I don't have to believe it, I have it. Do I like it? You bet. Wouldn't be alive without it.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

              I refuse to sign up for health care.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    For the sake of establishing that which can never exist:

                          The Concrete Reality of Utopia


    Ha ha ha!  LOL! lol

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    Actual morals come from Love.
       Is LOVE the same for all people?
    Love must be tempered with reason.
    I think this is the junction, (where love and logic meet,) where things get upturned and blown every which way.
    We really need to know REALITY.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      Well, people have the same chemical responses that produce the feeling of "love".

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        ...oh do they?
        and what research do you have to prove this proposed "fact?????"
        I'll wait until you march to the library and come back with quotes from a legitimate source.
        Go on.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

          http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic … -oxytocin/

          Sorry, I had to use the Internet due to lack of funds for a bus pass to the library.

          Now it's your turn to produce evidence that GOD IS LUV.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            Sorry my computer would not go to that site at this moment. But I like your suggestion:
            Prove God is Love.


            More importantly, however, we need to comprehend actual reality.

            Actual reality is based on possibilities.

            Concrete reality is based on only that which is seen, felt
            or theorized about… based on known equations and all that.

            I am saying there is an unseen reality and we MUST comprehend it.
            The question is how can the unseen reality be perceived.
            According to the new religion emerging, we can't.
            End of story.
            Deal with it.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

              All I can say about that is "I disagree" .

              Did you notice that everyone who claims an unseen reality always "see" different things?

              IF there were an unseen reality, it would have laws as well.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

                <"IF there were an unseen reality, it would have laws as well.">
                I agree and there are.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

                  What laws, and how do you know?

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    Would you like to discuss: "How to know God, The Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali"?
    Go get a copy. It is translated with commentary by Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher Isherwood.
    I'll wait.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      Maybe sometime, but I'm not in the mood to delve into a new book right now. When I do I will pull this thread back up.

      I thought you were going to go with the Kybalion and hermeticism to be honest.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

        - are they adequate for you?
        Please refer books.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

          I have read quite a bit about hermetic laws, and I've read the Kybalion, but It's been a long time and I don't recall much of it.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

            Oh, well, I'll look into these to determine what is in the recesses of your mind…
            Should be interesting.
            Thanks for sharing.
            BFN.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 20 months ago in reply to this

              I think there are things that we can't easily "see", yet are ruled by laws. But I don't think it is supernatural. Just as natural as the things we can easily see.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    Well, in this movement self-interest is not acceptable. The "Recipe for Peace" requires an orientation toward working for the benefit of others, as in socialism.  You, Slarty O'Brian, are hereby banned from joining. Yay! big_smile
      (Unless you believe those women OWE it to all you men to exercise their rights to go topless!)

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago

    "US-VISIT is a U.S. immigration and border management system. The system involves the collection and analysis of biometric data (such as fingerprints), which are checked against a database to track individuals deemed by the United States to be... illegal immigrants."

    "A 2005 Center Backgrounder was critical of the program. Specifically, it said that that most Mexican and Canadian arrivals are not checked and the exit checks are extremely sparse. Since that time, the number of checks increased, but the Center has asserted that much more work is needed."

    "The author of the report, former Foreign Service Officer Jessica Vaughan, said: 'Lack of attention to the overstay problem continues to compromise our efforts to... control illegal immigration. At the moment, in a dangerous international environment, we are admitting about 200 million temporary visitors a year, with virtually no way to keep visitors from staying beyond their authorized visit, and no way even to count the number of visitors who overstay.'"

    "DHS estimates that at least 30 percent of the approximately 10 million illegal immigrants living in the United States are probably visa overstayers."

    "The center said that if current immigration policies are held in place, future immigrants and their descendants would increase the U.S. population by approximately 100 million people over the next fifty years."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for … on_Studies

  12. mishpat profile image59
    mishpatposted 20 months ago

    Gee-willikers .. this reminds me of the ashram days... and woodstock nights ... and DC weekends ...

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 20 months ago in reply to this

      You're right… this movement, which I have dubbed "Recipe for Peace", has been around for a long time… It is not new and it cannot be considered a religion.
      Thank you for clarifying, mishpat.
      PS Are you for or against Obama care insurance?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr … e_Care_Act

      In my opinion, Recipe for Peace is a Recipe for Disaster…
      So is Obama Care.
      Time will tell.

  13. Abdullah Srabon profile image52
    Abdullah Srabonposted 20 months ago

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