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religion is the “opium of the masses” - Karl Marx

  1. pisean282311 profile image57
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    what do u guys think about karl marx comments?

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I was a bigger fan of his brother Groucho

      http://minaretmuse.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/groucho.jpg

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      In order for communism to be successful, all avenues of a society that were based on the system preceding must change or be eliminated. Since religion is created from a society and is the "mind" of the society, it must be eliminated in order for the society to accept a new "mind" in favor of communism instead of religion. The "consciousness" of the people must be state oriented, not god oriented.

      These changes did not just affect the religions, it affects EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of the societies and the peoples lives. Of course, believers have this ridiculous notion that communism is only about atheism, demonstrating clearly believers don't know what communism is all about.

      1. donotfear profile image92
        donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, well now....isn't that special.
        http://thevinylvillage.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/church_lady.jpg

    3. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If you include communist and socialist ideology into religions, I agree smile

    4. Richieb799 profile image64
      Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'd say TV was the Opium personally

  2. LeanMan profile image81
    LeanManposted 6 years ago

    I agree with Greek, however I had no idea that they had an opium problem... Was Afghanistan still a problem in their days??

    1. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  3. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    mmmmmmmmm, opium..

    Homer Simpson

  4. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Say what you want about Marx himself, but his great great grandson Dr. Weil has helped millions battle consitpation and aging

    http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/Images/karl-marx.jpg


    http://openendedquestion.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/weil.jpg

  5. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HUTeZEpDdWY/Sz_JEkkTZyI/AAAAAAAAACs/s0k0eqCk2yI/s320/dr_zaius-796265.jpg

    Don't forget his evil twin: DR. Zeius

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And his distant cousin Frederick Douglass

      http://www.frederickdouglassproject.org/Frederick_Douglas.jpg

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://magnum-mania.com/images/orson_wells_full.jpg

        And Freddie's son Orson.

  6. Greek One profile image81
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Then there is his less political great great great grandson, Richard Marx

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pG1RoKRCf78/R7Mjt9evsOI/AAAAAAAAA0I/xAEHy1PCpmA/s320/marx_l%5B1%5D+(3).jpg

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    This is starting to get biblical...

    Imagine that.

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      speaking of which...

      http://auntiefashion.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/moses.jpg

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        (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That picture was taken right after he dropped the third tablet.

  8. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://www.guinnessniagarafalls.com/assets/tall_man.jpg

    Remember Stretch?

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      way before my time

  9. donotfear profile image92
    donotfearposted 6 years ago

    The true one:

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/marinersfanblog/library/Alfred_E_Newman.jpg

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Karl Marx was the opium of Skeptics and now they hardly own him or the doings of his followers like Stalin.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Could you please translate that to English?

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps I can help here...

        "Karl Marx was the opium of Skeptics"

        I believe that what my friend paar is indicating by the above is that the works of Karl Marx were championed by atheists, non-believers and skeptics as much as God is by religious people

        "...and now they hardly own him or the doings of his followers like Stalin."

        With communism not being as popular anymore, many now disown Marx, as they do failed communist leaders like Stalin who rose to power by using Marxist philosophy and slogans.


        The bottom line is that Islam spread pecefully through the Soviet Union

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you friend Greek.

          I am a peaceful drunken pervert.

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            then drink with me as we watch porn...

            no compulsion

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Is porn the Viagra of the masses?

          2. pisean282311 profile image57
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I bow to the great appendaged one. No compulsion.

        3. pisean282311 profile image57
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi friend (Q)

        Let it remain in Russian as the English speaking Skeptics don't like to mention him.

        Thanks

        I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I see your English is improving Usmanali. You are getting the passive aggressive attacks almost as good as the Kristians.

          Peaceful? LOL Not so much. lol

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Just curious, when you make up stuff and post it here, does it align with being a peaceful Muslim or does it create a lot of conflict?

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Utltimately it creates peace.

            Thanks

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Conflict ultimately creates peace?

              I might agree, except for the fact that there won't be anyone left to enjoy the peace after the conflict.

              Who will look out over the pile of dead bodies and proclaim peace?

  11. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Ah yes, peace and Islam! Like the bible! lol

    Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

    Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

    Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

    So much peace and luv! lol



    I just know you want to see peace from the bible as well.

    Kill Brats

        From there Elisha went up to Bethel.  While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him.  "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!"  The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord.  Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.  (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)



    God Kills the Curious

        And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter.  And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?   (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

    Where would we be without the luv! lol

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hi friend earnestshub

      We have seen that it were the Meccans who in large numbers aggressively attacked Muhammad at and/ or near Medina (please refer to battles of Badr, Uhud, Trench; discussed in separate threads here). It were the Meccans who did not allow freedom of faith to Muhammad and those who converted to his faith while they lived at Mecca. The Meccans persecuted Muhammad and his followers; blockaded them, killed a many, injured a many and when they migrated to far off place; they pursued them and did not live them in peace.

      I think you have double standards; you want freedom of choice of faith for you but won't like that it should be allowed to Muhammad and his followers. Are you justified in keeping this double standard only for you animosity towards Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Is freedom to choose one's faith an important part of Islam?

        If so, why do the majority of Islamic nations choose to outlaw the worship of other religions?

        Why is your own sect so persecuted by Muslims?

      2. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        @paar but my friend ..wasn't it muhammad who attacked un suspecting caravan first..granted that meccans made life difficult for first bunch of muslims ..but was attack on caravans justified?..

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi friend pisean282311

          You may like  to apprise yourself of the facts in this connection:

          The Meccan Muslims had found a place of refuge in Medina, and they could now openly perform their daily worship of God, together with their brethren of Medina, without hindrance. They appreciated this as a great boon, but in Medina also the Muslims were exposed to many hazards and had to keep constantly on the alert. The Prophet himself, who was responsible for the security not only of the Muslims but of the whole of Medina, and had many more cares added to the discharge of his mission as a Prophet, found little time for sleep or rest. When this became known, the Muslims arranged to mount guard by turns outside his quarters at night so that he could have a few hours of sleep.

          Besides the internal problems of Medina and the dangers and hazards confronting the Muslims, and most of all the Prophet himself, a formidable threat was soon added from Mecca.
          When the Meccans learned that the Prophet had arrived safely at Medina and had been joyfully received there by the Muslims and that Islam was making progress among the two Arab tribes there, they resolved to adopt coercive measures to secure his expulsion from Medina. They addressed a letter to Abdullah bin Ubayy, warning him and the people of Medina that if they did not expel the Prophet from the city or, failing that, did not take up arms against him and the Muslims, jointly with the Meccans the Meccans would come with a mighty force and put to the sword all the male adults and enslave all the women.

          On receipt of this letter, Abdullah held a secret council of his supporters and proposed that, in view of the Meccan ultimatum, the only course open to them was to force the Prophet and his followers to leave Medina. When news of this reached the Prophet, he went to sec Abdullah and tried to dissuade him from embarking on such a course, pointing out that any such adventure could lead only to his own ruin. For the time being Abdullah forbore, but he never abandoned the hope that an opportunity might arise when he could take measures to rid Medina of the Prophet and the Muslims, and thus secure his own recognition as the chief and ruler of Medina.

          Saad bin Muaz, chief of the Aus and a brave and sincere Muslim, visited Mecca about this time to perform the customary circuit of the Ka'aba. He was noticed by Abu Jahl, a Meccan chief and a sworn enemy of the Prophet, who accosted him, asking how he dared come to Mecca to perform the circuit when it was well known that he had once sheltered the Prophet in Medina. Did he not realize that by giving shelter to Muhammad, the people of Medina had earned the enmity of the Meccans and could no longer be permitted to perform the rites and ceremonies connected with the Ka'aba? Saad retorted that if this were the attitude of the Meccans, their caravans plying between Mecca and Syria would no longer enjoy the right of free passage between Medina and the coast.

          And so the stage was set for open warfare between the Meccans and the Muslims in Medina.

          http://www.alislam.org/library/zafar/exampler.html

          It were the Meccans who persecuted Muhammad and those who accepted his faith; they blockaded them for years, punished and wounded and killed many of them and when the tried to migrate from Mecca they even did not allow them to do so.

          When ultimately Muhummad's companion migrated to Medina, about 400 kilometers away, and later Muhammad joined them, the Meccans did not rest them there in peace and attacked them aggressively well prepared and in large numbers.

          Is Muhammad not entitled to the same freedom of faith as other human beings? If not;why not?

          Thanks

          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sure he was, but he was not entitled to slaughter anyone who didn't share his beliefs.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hi friend (Q)

              Just name one person he slaughtered at Mecca while he lived there. It were the Meccans who slaughtered and persecuted Muslims at Mecca. Please check it.

              Thanks

              I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How exactly is one to obtain the name of innocent women and children killed hundreds of years ago?  Do you think Muhammad built them a cemetery in memorial??

                1. pisean282311 profile image57
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  it is simple..paar just need to visit following link :

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ … _of_Medina

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                (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That is silly in the extreme and only demonstrates just how desperate and what levels the Islamic propagandist will stoop.

                1. pisean282311 profile image57
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  ironically paar's sect is not considered to be islamic by most muslims..and ahamadis are actually peaceful people..their founder believes in debate ..

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, discussion, dialogue, arguments, reason, research; all peaceful ways

  12. theirishobserver. profile image60
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago

    Great work - must learn how to bring pics into the forums - some great work there people smile

    1. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      i agree...

  13. alternate poet profile image79
    alternate poetposted 6 years ago

    Clearly the opium is still popular - attacking Marx for describing society in the way we all see it today is ridiculous - Communism was founded on his ideas, as was much of modern economics and political thinking.  He did of course describe how we are all getting ripped off and controlled, those on the prescribed drugs of religion, TV, Fox News, etc, etc, still think they think - and prove by their posts that they don't.

    1. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hmm..

  14. Dolores Monet profile image91
    Dolores Monetposted 6 years ago

    I think it was 'opiate of the masses,' and that role these days is TV.

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with the whole TV thing.. but I thought it was Opie and the masses??

      http://veryspecialepisode.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/1-opie.jpg

      1. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile

  15. kephrira profile image61
    kephriraposted 6 years ago

    Given the number of people who use recreational drugs compared to the number of people who regularly go to a church / temple etc (at least in Britain anyway) it's probably more accurate to say that opium is the religion of the masses.

    1. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      interesting analysis..

 
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