kid gloves? Soft touch? OOOOOOh the answer I could give to earnestshub.I know the question is about sin, but , here is another prime example of a long time "problem". People always trying to blame someone else for ?????
Here, it appears, that earnest has a problem with projection.
Simon Magus wanted to buy the Holy Spirit(the power of love and respect). Of course....he had it in mind to resell it at a fine profit. Men like him started the religion from a movement of peace and harmony that was created by Jesus of Nazareth.
Sin was and still is the key to bringing in the big bucks. Sin...and or sinners...being the enemy...required massive funding to be kept at bay....not to mention promotional opportunities for those who saved souls and such.
They turned from being fishers of men to giggers of suckers. They adapted other religions into their guide books so that people could have their gods cakes and eat them too.
The bottom line....combating sin....sells. Making people feel guilty is income and power security for the flock leaders. Attacking sins and sinners makes the flocks feel as if they are better than all of those low life's outside their special church....even better than the heretic flock down the street.
Religion itself is and always has been,"The Great Whore." She lures people in with her promises of eternal pleasures. All those who do not enter her vaginal doors (religiously)....well...simply are damned for eternity....because of their sin of rejecting her.
Sin...simply is the cash cow of religion. All religions in some form use it to retain power and influence over its followers with fear. Religion has its purpose...but the old whore weakens by the day.
She has sprinkled her crumbs to the poor and toyed with kings and queens for generations. She is being revealed and her lies are appearing on her stained glass windows and marvelous walls. One day...the brothel will be closed....the landlord will come for the rent.
This is the strategy Paul adopted for "his new religion" he named "Christianity" though it has nothing to do with Jesus Christ; and thus Paul and the Church exploited the sheep- the simple minded Christians.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
All guilt comes from Satan, Gods Holy Spirit brings conviction of sin, not guilt
Luke 6:36-38 (Amplified Bible) So be merciful (sympathetic, tender, responsive, and compassionate) even as your Father is [all these].
Judge not [neither pronouncing judgment nor subjecting to censure], and you will not be judged; do not condemn and pronounce guilty, and you will not be condemned and pronounced guilty; acquit and forgive and release (give up resentment, let it drop), and you will be acquitted and forgiven and released.
Give, and [gifts] will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will they pour into [the pouch formed by] the bosom [of your robe and used as a bag].
For with the measure you deal out [with the measure you use when you confer benefits on others], it will be measured back to you.
1 Corinthians 1:20-29
Where is the wise man (the philosopher)?
Where is the scribe (the scholar)?
Where is the investigator (the logician, the debater) of this present time and age?
Has not God shown up the nonsense and the folly of this world's wisdom?
For when the world with all its earthly wisdom failed to perceive and recognize and know God by means of its own philosophy, God in His wisdom was pleased through the foolishness of preaching [salvation, procured by Christ and to be had through Him], to save those who believed (who clung to and trusted in and relied on Him).
For while Jews [demandingly] ask for signs and miracles and Greeks pursue philosophy and wisdom, we preach Christ (the Messiah) crucified, [preaching which] to the Jews is a scandal and an offensive stumbling block [that springs a snare or trap], and to the Gentiles it is absurd and utterly unphilosophical nonsense.
But to those who are called, whether Jew or Greek (Gentile), Christ [is] the Power of God and the Wisdom of God.
[This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.
For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth, [No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.
And God also selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is lowborn and insignificant and branded and treated with contempt, even the things that are nothing, that He might depose and bring to nothing the things that are, so that no mortal man should [have pretense for glorying and] boast in the presence of God.
If your church experience gave you those things, it was the church that was wrong, not Christ, for Christ's word does not support your claim.
Because it is the number money making tool that the church has. If we aren't afraid of going to hell because of a sin then they have nothing to sell, they can't sell you redemption. Please take the time to develop more than two brain cells so that you can think beyond the pablum that christianity dishes up.
Children have to be taught. They are not born knowing what is the right thing to do. They have to be disciplined at times to teach them the right thing to do. They do not know on their own to be good. If they were, then there would be no need for discipline or instruction. Therefore they are born sinners. However they are not accountable for their sins until they have reached the age of accountability. Because they are given the chance to learn.
well i partly agree with you..we all have in built thing called conscience..even non believers in any god are great human beings and great servers of humanity..we have lot of examples of that..born sinners concept is one of premise like many..i just wanted to understand what triggered that premise...
Sin gives the church control over people's lives, what they do, how they act, what they think. By making us all sinners, we need the church for salvation and redemption. After all, who wants to go to Hell when they die?
I was raised Catholic but I've followed several different philosophical paths since then and really it all boils down to the same thing in the end... DO THE RIGHT THING. Live a good life, don't hurt or abuse others... it's that simple. Follow that and you don't have to worry about sin or religion.
disturbia does have a point ..every religion custodian seeks control over community using various phrases..sin would work...it would induce fear,guilt among individuals and make them adhere to what they want...it is not just about Christianity even oldest religions have some or other form of ways ..unfortunately religion custodians used religion to meet their purpose...crux of religion is to make humans beings live good life which does not expoit,cheat , harm others..which is compassionate,considerate and such things..the core in all religions are same ...
I agree with you that the church or custodian as you call it, does seek control. In all religions, but if people live by their convictions, they will see what the right way to live is.
Not just because the church told them to live that way. That is where people in some religions have lost common sense. Christianity incuded. After all the kkk claims to be Christian. But obviously not all Christians believe the same way they do.
Just because you have a belief does not mean you have let the church control you. You have to have common sense. Pisean are you Muslim?
no i am not muslim ..personally i am not believer of religion..i believe religions are man made..but i do give credit to religion for its positive contribution to human race..i like to read about all religions but dont adhere to any...
I have always found the story of Job to be very annoying.
Job is a blessed man who lives righteously. Satan challenges Job's integrity, proposing to God that Job serves him simply because God protects him so God removes Job's protection, allowing Satan to take his wealth, his children, and his physical health in order to tempt Job to curse God. Despite his difficult circumstances, he does not curse God.
My question is why would God, or Satan if either one really exists have to have a stupid contest to prove anything? It's kind of like the Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places where these two wealthy brothers make a $1.00 bet that they can swap a poor man from the streets with a wealthy stock broker. So they wreck lives just to win a bet. And why would Job have to prove anything to God anyway? Wouldn't God, being God know what is in Job's heart?
It seems to me like God is the one that got baited or tricked by Satan into making the life of Job miserable for no good reason. So here is your reward for being a good man Job, you get to suffer.
But than what do I know, I'm no religious scholar, just a lapsed Catholic.
well there is similar tale in hindu mythology too...here job is harishchandra and instead of satan ,there is sage who does test harish chandra and harish chandra along with his wife and son goes through hell but in end god convinced of his righteousness ,bails him out..but not before he undergoes immense hardships..guess most religious stories are similar...
Yep! These religious stories can be traced back to the sun god.
It must have been very easy to keep people inline when they were so naive. Even today, religionists just walk past the psychotic statements, (hundreds of them as I have shown many times) and ignore every single questioning post!
I suspect the great flood had more to do with climate change than God. Of course you can argue that God caused the climate change which then caused the flood and so on and so on ... and it never ends. So people believe what they want, they will anyway no matter what anybody else says.
well i am not saying that god had anything to do with flood or had nothing to do with flood..what i am saying is that great flood has been mentioned in all religions..so it might have occurred and oral narrations about that might have continued , latter with linkage with god..that is how it might have prevailed...
Sin, it is much talked about, and at the same time, much overrated. Many say sin is sin. Just as each person is different, so is sin. I may do something and it be a sin for me to do, while you do the same thing and it not be a sin, and vice versa. Sin is very personalized. Why is sin so talked about. Well, it is because, as with anything else, people ask questions about the things they want to learn about.
Sin. Is that a city in Nevada? Sin is doing bad things. Don't trust Earnest with rocks, cause he'll throw the first one and say "Gee, I screwed up." No cosequences, no fear. perfect. Now all we need is for everyone to carry a gun, especially if we wander about with no moral code
I have a fine moral code. It just doesn't involve a "devil in the corner" mentality that blames a bad fairy for my mistakes. I take responsibility for my own screwups and do not have to claims a bad fairy dunnit!
According to one poster here on the fairy team, it's god wot controls the weather, not his failure fairy, so apparently it is god that dunnit at least to Haiti and Pakistan.
No, fortunately it is a myth about the tiny neurotic sky fairy or his creation da debil.
Know what Earnest doesn't believe. What DOES Earnest believe in. Space Aliens? Theoretically, They could be there, but no proof. Big accident? I suppose we accidently put on clothes, accidently changed our programming and ended up in Big Monkey Trouble. The last probably was an accident. HA
mom101 So you think that god will say to some you cannot do this and to others its okay to do that. While i agree that some with higher callings may well have to separate themselves more than others, there is a common threshing floor where sin must be dealt with. God is not going to say, one may watch porn and another not, indeed some things are totally unacceptable and these sins must be threshed out, but all the above comes after salvation which a person cannot get to if indeed they have no conviction of sins.
Stephen Hawking is presently the theorist I follow, but he backtracked recently, so I'm seeking a new genius to adopt. Sometimes theories change, and in man's history we have been atthis level in thought for a very short time. Much to learn, but nothing has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt (space bar is sticking). Won't beat adead horse.
It is interesting to see someone as prevalent as Hawking admitting he was wrong about one of his theories, in light of the evidence. I think the Church went through something similar long ago about the shape of the earth.
Funny though, the followers of the Church did not seek out a new genius to adopt.
I'm quite okay with what you will become after reading some of your posts. If somebody who said those things about me wanted to live in my house for eternity, I wouldn't let them! so really to dust they shall go is a self fulfilling prophecy lol.
The horse ain't dead yet! Oh you mean your keyboard! I follow Hawking and many others as there are scientific specialties that are becoming quite defined, and some scientists are keen to make a mark by being even more specialised. If you want a 2 year read on everything from sentient animal protection to religion, drugs and brain chemistry, physics, particle acceleration and much much more, you may enjoy a website I have frequented for more than 10 years.
I still go there often as my dear friend David Pearce who wrote a fair bit of it including the drug guide updates it regularly with newer more valid information as it becomes known and proven up.
I don't agree with everything there either, so I keep seeking. I just like to know some stuff.
their mission statement and landing page with all the details can be found here. bltc.com/
I don't think sinning is the emphasis in Christianity, I think it's about salvation, second chances, sacrifice for the greater good, and so forth. I think people focus on sin because it's just a lot easier to either follow rules or break them.
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