The Florida Church should not burn Quran; it is no service to humanity
Quran/Islam/Muhammad are pro-life and do not support the fanatics and Terrorists; they serve humanity and are peaceful.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
i am not big fan of quran or any books called holy..for me those are books made by humans but at same time I am against burning books involving so many human sentiments..it is ok not to belief and it is also ok to have debate but burning?...i dont think it is right thing to do...
please go on my hub allah had no son and than his pain our salvation
and yea burning the quran is wrong they have JESUS CHRIST IN THEIR.....instead of burning they should make it obsolete or unreliable
You should just ignore morons - they only seek attention to their own stupidity and teeny weeny ego's.
Why not? Did not Muslims around the world celebrate the terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers?
Sometimes freedom is distasteful and in America we are free to express our opinions and even if you and I don't agree with the views of the Florida church, they have a right to express them. Perhaps if more Muslims did more to condemn the radical elements in their midst, Americans might feel differently about them. In this regard the terrorists have a victory, pitting non Muslims against Islam and as ugly as that conflict is, it is up to Muslims to show they are tolerant, they are peaceful and they are opposed to the violence perpetrated by their brethren.
It was not only Muslims who celebrated the twin towers terrorist act. I was in a hire shop in Belfast when it came through live on TV - the whole place without exception (not counting me) were wild with jubilation at the strike. It may well be the attitude of people like yourself that is responsible for the deep dislike of Americans in so many parts of the world.
Ireland has plenty of its own terrorists so that doesn't surprise me.
Didn't know there were so many anti-American Irish. Good to know this kind of information.
That was probably the Muslim part of Belfast!
You might like to think so - but I can guarantee that the whole shopfull of people were one or the other kind of christian, at least they were united for a change.
Yeah, I don't believe a word of what you're saying.
a debate is a debate and i love debating so go on and read allah had no son thats a new hub i posted
Did Quran/Islam/Muhammad attack the Twin Towers? They did not do it; and they never celebrated it.
Why take revenge from them?
I believe American people like equity; that should come out of them .
No but those that did were followers of the Koran, Islam and Mohammed. They showed a hatred for America and for Christians and an intolerance for our way of life, which includes free speech. Like it or not they have a RIGHT to express their views.
Quran/Islam/Muhammad are not responsible for the actions of their wrongdoing followers. Please be charitable.
There are other civilised ways for expressing your views; no harm in using them.
Maybe so, but that was the way that church chose to express their feelings and that is their right, isn't it? You may not like it but in America we have free speech.
You see many people didn't like a Mosque built at ground zero, but that is the right of the Imam that has the property. Perhaps the Imam can see how his choice is causing harm and generating hatred towards Islam and he will change his mind, then maybe you will not see any more of these Koran burnings.
They are not burning it for revenge. They are doing it to keep it out of the hands of their children.
If we told you we had shut down all the Christian churches and burned their Bible..wouldn't you be happy?
Before you say you wouldn't be, I can lead you to all your threads in which you say the Bible is wrong . Your threads are ALWAYS the same and always against Christians. And you are constantly trying to sell the Quran (propaganda)
You should judge yourself first instead of others.
awesome do muslims know the truth abou their religion or do they just grow up not questioning nothing ........allah is older than islam he was and is a moon god paganism.learn the truth........read allah had no son my hub
I think that the Muslims are taught not to question the Koran. How can they question what they believe is the literal words from God?
You know nothing about Islam. You just read about islam somewhere and you think you have better knowledge about Islam than Muslim.
We knew who our God is, don't worry.
We know nothing about you?
Some of us have read the Quran.
We also know many of our innocent people were beheaded by Muslims just because they were there.
Deborah there is a very big difference between Jesus Christ and Church which you really need to see a bit of. Sunday school facts are limited, and although somewhat innocent, they are not the whole picture.
I question the Bible because God says to, says ask him, and to not follow blindly. I do not question because it is wrong. I believe as you do.
I want to know more about him, not less, please consider?
If you want to keep it from your Child then do that on your own, do not cause a mess for me and mine, claiming your buring the Koran for inocent reasoning.
I dont want the retaliation to fester and explode for anyone, because some one does not know how to educate and control a child to not read a book they wish them not to.
You raise your own kids, others can not do that for you!
You educate to tech them the book is not correct, it is wrong, but you burn it out of fear that they may see it? , God said he is here with us, there is no fear.
I believe we all must Stand in our beliefe, all of it! No fear or Hate mongering.
Please do not take this like an attack, it is not, you really are terrific and a great counter point hubber, a very good person I honestly think. you make me think deeper with your points.
My child is grown. I don't go to Sunday school because Sunday is not the Sabbath.
I don't believe like you. I am not a Chrstian and do not worship anyone named Jesus Christ.
But like you, I have my opinion
understood Deborah, and keep answering its is all good discussion.
I just know if they ever wanted a Kid to check out something, just tell them no and let them find out you burnt it to keep them from it!,,,,lol
its the first thing they will check out when your not looking.
I do it with some arguments; I never say to burn the Bible or kill the Christians or destroy the Churches.
To give an argument is a totally different thing. I have many good Christian friends and I also sometimes attend the service in Churches; though I don't join the formal worship.
When my Christian Catholic, Protestant and JW friends presented me Bibles, I thanked them and read them from cover to cover with interest and at certain chapters I could not control tears rolling from my eyes.
I respect Bible (OT and NT),Vedas,Buddhist Scriptures, Zorastrian Scriptures; revealed book of all religions. It is one of the basic five pillars of Islam to believe in the truthful books/teachings revealed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH. One can't be a Muslim without this.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Why not burn it? Why not tear out the pages and use them for toilet paper and tell the Islamists that every time they blow up something, even themselves, if they take anyone with them, the Quran will be used for toilet paper in prisons?
What should of happened is on Sept 12 a nice little nuke should have fallen on the Tora Bora mountains. No invasion, no discussion, America is at war and this is how war is fought.
But that wasn't the path. So there are boots on the ground in Af. and although most troops are out of Iraq there's still enough to keep the US involved for a decade.
Only fanatics burn books. Read without fear and learn to respect cultural difference while celebrating those things which unite us in faith.
I do not support the burning of the Quran but I will be in Gainesville during the weekend that the burning happens, because my girlfriend goes to college up there and I want to visit her. I hope nothing bad happens.
I don't want to be mistaken as a bigot or ignorant American or something else that I am not.
I actually set an email to the Florida Attorney General asking them to please get a backbone and get involved in this one. Stop the Burning as an act of Religious hatred and against the constitution. They gave me some bull-s...T answer about thanks for your concern.
I am Christian and I stand firmly against this Book Burning, it is an insult and a deliberate act of Religious fanatics to cause a problem for the United States.
No one has asked them to stand and defend anything, they are not representing any cause or any one in the U.S., excep their own self-serving BS.
This is NOT representative of ANY Christian belief what so ever. Its wrong and totally un-necessary.
It will lead to retaliation and then we will be forced to answer the retaliation and it will turn into inocent lives, hurt, mamed or lost on both sides. This is frigin nuts!
They feel they have to stop propaganda. The same way they did when communist propaganda entered the U.S.
they are creating their own propoganda Deborah, the Koran is around, has been around for centuries, and everyone knows of it, we protest peacefully as we shall, but insults and attacks lead to counter attacks that lead to more counter moves, and it is going to get way out of hand. We need real civil discussion, not stupidity.
There is no basis to Burn anything. Or start Religious up-heaveal. There is no calling here from God or anyone to do that. It is fanatisim and noting more. It is Self serving over emotional crap! That Pastor needs his A.. kicked for allowing it.
They read the same Bible we all do, and there is no basis for it anywhere in the words written.
"and it is going to get way out of hand. We need real civil discussion, not stupidity."
You don't think flying planes into buildings is already a bit out of hand?
last time I looked we are still answering that with troops on the Ground right? We were attacked and have answerd that are are still not fighting, or did we miss the end?
Do we really need any more than this that we now have? Do a small handfull of Church fanatics get to start problems for the rest of us in Gods good name?
Is not life lost enough, so now we have to start it up at home, buring books, claiming God as an excuse? Are we Natzi or Humans.
I believe, we are in fact answering that attck, that is. Unless you think this is not enough and we need to attack some-one else now?
How many deaths and wars is it going to take, to make you happy and me less stupid! I stand where I said, this is frigin nuts.
They aren't doing it in the name of God. They are doing it to keep the name Mohammed out of the teachings.
Well that back-fired Deb. Alot of the Churches in gainesville annonced last week they would teach lessons from surahs of the qu'ran in their sunday sermans.
What a bunch of BS... the qu'ran states plainly the Christian bible is flawed and Christians beliefs are nothing more than shirk, polytheism, the highest of sins in Islam.
But they are going to teach it in the churches around here as a revealed word of god. What a bunch of loosers those ministers and priests are.
Are you sure that the churches will call the surahs as the revealed word of God? They might point to the surahs and say, these are the passages where those Islamofascists took to believe it was okay to attack people of the Book.
That is not the atmosphere they are putting out about it.
They said, from the steps of Gainesville courthouse, that they would teach the truth of islams revelations from God to momo, and how all the Abrahamic religions are related by faith... or some such BS. I am para-phrasing there.
We'll see... they should be off and running this weekend.
Mohamed is "Not" in Christian Teachings, except to say he is a profit, a man; just Like Jesus is in the Koran! and they are doing it in a ChurchI it is representtitves of the Body of Christ, hiding under a Church banner.
Today on the News that Preacher said "We are still all praying about it?" If God is not answering him, then why announce to the world you are doing this. He is not acting under Gods authority, this is made up man-made drama.
It is in Gods name they think they have providence, and my bet is the have Over active immaginations and fear Muslums are going to take over the world. It is not fact. and this is, not Gods devine wishes and or answers.
Think for a Minute- How long has the Koran exhisted? If it is to be destroyed, do you not think God would have by now? These folks are not called to do this.
Prayers asking for a decision are not being answerd, so that would say to most Christians, no answer, Gee, maybe God is saying no, or maybe not now.
But they announce it anyway, then say they are in prayer in-case God says no????? thats nuts!
No. It's a show of strength and religious pride which can't be legitimised by the teachings of Christianity. Isn't it the case that in Christian teaching such a display is not considered 'strength' at all? Isn't it the case that Christians believe Jesus' power is "made perfect in weakness"? So real strength is to not let yourself succumb to hatred in the midst of things that are hard to bear (like feeling as though your faith is being attacked by a certain group). Real strength is not letting one wrong lead to another. Doesn't Christianity teach that it's easy to be 'strong' in the way the world sees strength (destroying things), but harder to be strong in accordance with what it really means in the Christian faith.
Also is it not the case that doing this is a failure to live up to the most basic tenet of both Christianity and Judaism: the idea of treating others as we would wish to be treated? Is this community treating others as it would wish to be treated itself?
If the people in this community feel aggrieved by a certain group, shouldn't they instead reach out to that group? Such an act may appear foolish and weak. But didn't a famous person being captured, tortured and executed without a fight seem foolish and weak. And doesn't Christianity teach that this act of apparent foolish weakness was in fact the most powerful act the world has ever seen?
In light of that wouldn't attempting reconciliation be more consistent with Christian teaching? I wonder what efforts have been made in that regard? As it is this will only fuel the flames of anti-religion. It's not Islam Christians need to be worried about. It's people's growing impatient with all forms of religious belief and the trouble surrounding it. That's why so many people want to see an end to religion altogether. This is perfect anti-religion propaganda material. Not a bad thing depending on your point of view, but I'm stunned Christians can't see this themselves. These people don't realise it's not Islam or even 'Satan' pushing people away from Christianity. They themselves are with actions like this, along with those Christians who support it.
Thanks for your good comments; I appreciate it.
I think what they intend to do is non-American and non-Christian.
Good human beings are requested to do something reasonabe to stop its occurance.
So why don't the good Muslims tell the Islamofascists to stop beheading teachers in Thailand?
Why don't you apologize for the murders committed by fellow Christians?
Like Jones, they also don't listen to reason; ignorant people as they are.
I don't support the burning of everything either, but lets not generalize and say ALL Muslims are peaceful Paar... just like all Christians and all members of every-other-large-group-in-the-world are not ALL peaceful
I just learned that the same people putting on this Quran Burning "protest" are also doing a protest outside of the Gainesville Mayor's Office because the Mayor is openly homosexual.
These people don't believe in freedom of speech.
I'm wondering if Mr. Nazir spoke out against the mosque being built near ground zero. Fat chance, huh?
And I wonder why he speaks so casually about the "Festival of Eid" coming up, this year on ...you guessed it------SEPTEMBER the 11th. (Wasn't that maybe why the 911 terrorists CHOSE Sept. 11th to do their dirty deed?) Apparently the Festival of Eid is a day of sacrifice....
And yet this man is so offended by one little church burning books that he's calling for all Muslims to speak against it! Amazing!
Yeah! Small book burnings are perfectly legit.
1. Eid day is not fixed & it depends on the sightseeing of moon. The Eid day of this year may not be on the same day of next year. The Eid day in Saudi Arabia & the Eid day in Russia is not on the same day. September 11th & 911 is just another coincidence & looking for connection in them is kinda stupid!
2. There are two Eid festivals...The one on the coming September 11th is not about Sacrifice. Its about Submission & fasting. Similar to Jewish sabbath.
I find it amusing that you guys spend ur whole life in a single book with the believe that its flawless. Its also funny how you guys always try to defend your book & faith by finding a thousand interpretations for the same gospel but you hardly manage time to read other books properly even a single time...Whether it be another religious book.
i think the greatness of the USA comes from her liberal view and approach. outside the fact that US is heralded as the beacon of hope for the world she truly is the World's model for social and religious tolerance. lets not turn the Us into Iran or Turkey or Indonesia, where Religion is at the core of social life. acceptedly the Muslims especially those in Iran should talk less about the Ground Zero Issue, anyone who lives in a glass house should not throw stones
I've had people from other countries (more than two) state that their country leaders tell them that the American government brainwashes us.
That we feel afraid not to say we love American.
I have no contact with our government.
My love for America comes from the peace I have in my life here.
I was dismayed to hear about this book burning for two reasons. First it is reminiscent of the dark age book burnings..a sorry period in earth's history and second, the fact that a minister of God can say that he is sorry if a single death is caused by his action but he does not feel responsible.
Let them burn it. If Al Qur'an truly book of God, even they burn as much as they able to found it will be existed still, available there to be learn by anyone who wants to learn from it. Allah told inside Qur'an, that He do not need help to preserve Al Qur'an and depending Himself because He can do that. So let them be. Our own life is way more important than their ridiculous acts.
Freedom of speech? LOL. Are you sure? There is nothing freedom about burning book which full with speech.
Islam and peace?
it's like conservative person praising obama & secularism.
Burn quran,bible they are garbage anyway.
It's just paper and ink. It's not like one Florida church is going to wipe out all of the teachings of Islam just because they burn a few books.
Is it rude? Yeah. Is it disrespectful? Sure. And they have a right to do so, the same way every person here (including me) has been rude and disrespectful.
I find your assertions about Jesus to be extremely rude and disrespectful. I find your belief that you have the right to tell people in Florida what they should and shouldn't do to be rude and disrespectful.
Hell, I think flying planes into buildings and blowing up taxi cabs to be really, really, really rude and disrespectful.
So, the questions is, is burning books MORE rude and disrespectful than some of the things you've said about Jesus? Nah, just rude and disrespectful in a different way.
You gave them what they wanted, one more offended Muslim. That's what they wanted. That's what they got. You've made them very happy.
I agree that it is wrong to burn the Quran. I was brought up catholic. although i don't particularly believe any of the fairy tale stuff in the so called "holy books". I do not think anyone has the right to judge another's beliefs. I live only a few miles away from the proposed "burning site" and have seriously considered attending and as a gesture of my contempt for this pastor and his evil beliefs, bringing along a few bibles to cast onto his fire in protest.. It just might equalize the distaste for his nasty act.
You're kidding I hope.
You'd burn a Bible just 'cause he's gonna burn the Koran?
Hey, I have an idea! Instead of burning a Bible, why don't you burn a collection of the priest-written Catholic catechisms, or a book of Mormonism? (ya know, those books that aren't Holy Scripture, but are only religious.)
If you really want to burn a book, bur Dianetics! LOL!
What's Dianetics? I might buy one and burn it! hahaha
I'd rather burn all the Hustler magazines, but don't have any of those around either!
All you have! I will go clear out my garage to make room for them until this weekend's bonfire.
Don't send them C.O.D., though, 'cause I won't pay for them.
Want me to through in a couple of Playboys?
L. Ron Hubbard's book on Scientology. There was an episode of "South Park" that explained it pretty well.
Now THIS is something I almost support.
I still don't support the burning of any books. Nor do I support religious intolerance.
Which makes living really hard for me when there's things like Scientology in existence. I'm having a hard time being tolerant of their beliefs.
Hey I'll be up there. I was thinking of buying a few of the guys books and tossing them in the fire.
I mean, he benefits from the $15 I spend per book, but aren't the Muslims benefiting from each Quran someone buys to burn? I mean, some Muslim somewhere is benefiting from each Quran purchased.
I really hope this church isn't obtaining the Qurans in some dishonest way (such as stealing). That would be sinful in its self. Plus, it would put all of these "they bought it, it's their property, their right" arguments to shame.
You're absolutely right. Islam and terrorism have nothing (and I repeat: nothing) to do with each other. Let's be honest. Most terrorist throughout history have been either Pagan or Christian... but I digress.
They have the 1st amendment right to burn the Koran. But they ought not to do it (in my view), if their true intention is to make a statement against terrorism. It's a statement against a religion with many, many peaceful followers.
This cannot end well. But it makes great TV.
Good luck everyone,
Well, it’s not official, but I just heard the Pastor is cancelling the Koran burning because the Imam called him up and said he’d relocate the Cordoba Community Center. If this is a joke, it’s distasteful for Fox News to report it… but that’s where I hear it so… we’ll see.
If this is true, hallelujah. For a second there, I thought this incident might spark a wave of violence and restrictions on the freedom of speech (a la the same 1st amendment guarantying the building of the mosque and the burning of the Koran).
I really, really hope it’s over. We should take a breath of fresh air, and maybe get to know each other’s beliefs. They ought to have a national Koran-reading day on 9/11. (It’s a short read, compared to the Bible). Conversely, some Muslim nations ought to read the Bible sometime… But who do you think would start the trend, were something like this to occur? Every change starts with us.
If you become tolerant of others liberties, freedom will spread like wildfire. Suddenly, we might actually get along… possibly.
Anyway, just wanted to give ya’ll the heads-up if it’s true.
Lady, perhaps you should read an article I just wrote concerning this topic.
To generalize and categorize all Muslims into one group is ludicrous...
To then support the burning of their holy book is reckless, irresponsible, and completely disrespectful.
Using your logic, when Christian extremists bomb abortion clinics or shoot at/kill doctors, I suppose I should go and burn Bibles?
Using the logic of the Dove Outreach group, the ones responsible for the Quran burning stupidity, since the Bible "isn't written in heaven" (not that I've seen anyway)...the Bible deserves to be burned....
Check out the nonsense that passes itself off as "Christianity" at doveworld.org
This is probably one of the only times the symbol of the dove has been used to promote fear, anger, and potentially violence...
Go ahead burn the bible if that's your wish. You have a right to do so in America. You can even burn the flag here! It's called freedom of speech and Muslims should learn what tolerance and freedom in America means. They certainly don't care about Americans feelings concerning the construction of the Mosque at ground zero, so why should we worry about their feelings regarding a legitimate expression of free speech?
You do believe in free speech, don't you?
@lady when we use word muslim, we are not talking about a person but more than billion people all around the globe...and people are good or bad , irrespective of which faith they belong to...Is burning quran would solve any of problems which usa is facing?..how would it help?..Somebody would then end up burning bible , some veda , some torah...in end this burning thing wont change anything...isn't it?..
Why do you display such open hostility toward American troops fighting in Afghanistan? Are you so anti-American that you would openly support an action that will result in massive increases in U.S. casualties there?
Maybe you should leave the country you hate so much.
The problem is, these people putting on the protest don't believe in Freedom of speech. They're also putting on a protest against Gainesville's homosexual Mayor.
Well, rock on, Gainesville church!
Sounds to me like they're not afraid to take a stand against political correctness and anti-Christian carp all-around.
So? Don't they have a right to protest? Do you see public outcry to end the gay pride parade? Ok, well maybe some, but you still get to have them, so what's the problem? Are we to believe there are only certain issues that should be protected or talked about? Who decides? Liberals? What ever it is they are for or against, they have a RIGHT to express their views just as much as you have a RIGHT to complain about it! Carry on!
Never, at any point in this thread, have I said that they don't have a right to burn the Quran. I didn't say they don't have the right to protest their gay mayor.
No where have I said anyone doesn't have a right of freedom of speech.
You accused the church of not believing in freedom of speech because they are also protesting the gay mayor. I'm not sure what one has to do with the other, but I took that comment as oppostition to both causes by the church. I stand corrected.
Sorry, you're right there, that was a posted in-complete thought. What I meant to say was that they do not believe in freedom in general. Freedom of sexuality. Freedom of career choice (if we can't have homosexuals in office than clearly we have no freedom of career choice).
And I do oppose both causes. I do not oppose their right to believe in (and speak out about) the cause as much as I do not believe in them.
On the other hand, I feel that causing pain to ALL others is wrong, physical or emotional.
That isn't true at all, that homosexuals can't have career choice.
They just don't (or shouldn't) have the choice to impose their wrong view of sex INTO their career choices). They should keep their sex activities in private, not bring them into legal circles NOR into the CLASSROOMS.
Please define and give an example of "imposing."
Also, please give me an example of when/where that has happened.
Why is it a "wrong view of sex"?
Because the Bible says so?
The Bible also says that women on their period should be made to wear dirty dirty clothes because they are "unclean." It also says that women on their period should be sent out to sleep with the animals.
[EDIT]Sorry, should have cited my self. I can't find the part about being sent to sleep with animals, but I did find this:
15 " 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.
You're just parrotting what you've heard unChristian people say.
If you'd really like to resolve your confusion about the Bible's words, I'll be glad to help you; but not until and unless you really have an open mind to finding out who the Savior even is.
No, he's quoting "God's word". Are you arguing with God's word?
I'm parroting what I've heard unChristian people say?
I cited the exact lines in the Bible. You can check them your self.
I believe there is a difference between hate speech and free speech...
I do not believe that burning a Quran, Bible, Torah, or other book considered sacred is free speech.....especially within the context of this "September 11th" commemoration...
Freedom is not free...most definitely...
Hate speech is free speech however detestable and is practiced regularly by Muslims in EU.
EXCUSE ME. The Quran teaches it is OK to kill those not in their religion. So if the Muslim's believe in the Quran, they believe it is OK to kill non-muslims.
The bible says exactly the same thing.
Yes, it is true. A small sampling of the many bible versus that preach death to non-believers was posted in another thread for the benefit of the bible bangers who don't actually read their bibles.
I don't read it?
I teach the truth about it.
There you go again putting the Bible down and uplifting the Quran.
Why don't you move to the Middle East?
Where are your priorities?
So you read it and then willfully dis-obey God's word?
I think there's some kind of punishment listed for that, you better check up on it.
Teaching it clearly does not reconcile with understanding it. At least those who taught me were qualified in what they teach.
Again, I do not support the burning of Quran or any religious text or artifact for that matter, BUT:
The Bible states:
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
I don't know, maybe I mis-understood The Bible.
Indeed you do. These are all examples of a graceful loving God bestowing his blessings on humanity.
The next round of nonsensical posts will involve the myth that old testament garbage was refuted by the "new covenant" bestowed by J.C.
Christo-facists are at least consistent in that regard. Their ignorance of the Quran is equal to their ignorance of the bible.
Maybe you did. Why not read the Hebrew Bible written in Hebrew and see what it really says.
It was the Latins and Greeks who translated it that way.
The Bible, regardless, is the churches book of choice.
Regardless the hatred and calls for acts of violence. Sounds like a great religion.
The real Hebrew Bible does not. Did you read what I said?
How many Christo-facists use the Hebrew bible during their hate ceremonies each Sunday?
On the subject of treason, General Patreas has stated that the Quran burnings will result in increased U.S. casualties.
I hope the Christo-facists advocating the book burnings sleep well knowing they are killing U.S. troops.
if that was all it took there would be many more Islamofascists supporting that preacher.
They DO support that preacher. Christian hatred and Muslim hatred are exactly the same thing.
Well if that's the case then that's one of the few times that religios fascists see eye to eye and have achieved so little
"On the subject of treason, General Patreas has stated that the Quran burnings will result in increased U.S. casualties."
Now the liberals care what General Patreas says.
The enemy will try and kill U.S. military personnel whether we burn the Koran or a video of Deep Throat.
Good point Jim, it wasn't that long ago when the leftards branded Petraeus as General Betrayus. Now, they want that same general that they picked on to save Afghanistan. How the times are changing.
I don't know what the liberals have to say about it; they can speak for themselves. I have always considered Patreas to be one of the most respected and trustworthy generals we have.
It's a shame you have to disrespect him and advocate actions that will kill more U.S. troops.
"I have always considered Patreas to be one of the most respected and trustworthy generals we have."
I'm sure you did.
Not "did" "do" and always have. You're the one throwing him under the bus. Be sure to pay special attention to upcoming news reports of increased U.S. casualties..
...then send Patreas and the families harmed by Christo-facism your apologies for aiding and abetting the enemy.
I have a hub dedicated to those innocent people who were beheaded in 2004. I wrote a brief history about each person. "Barbarians Loom"
You're right, at that time we hadn't burned any Qurans.
I watched the videos of the extremely cruel beheadings. To have anything, (especially if we buy them so they can profit) of theirs, would be a betrayal to their victims.
A lot of people didn't/wouldn't watch the videos. These taking up for the Quran are probably from that group of people.
I don't know Hebrew.
What I know is what my Bible says, which was given to me by the church I attended while serving in the USAF.
I'm not trying to argue anyone's point, I was just providing what I know so that those of you who want to argue have something to look at other than each other's hateful comments.
Deborah, where is a good source that will translate Hebrew well, I would honestly like to look at the Hebrew Bible and see it, what it really says. I honestly would like to know.
Jon in Tennessee
I haven't found any. I read it in Hebrew
I don't particularly care to learn Hebrew just to read a book I don't even really care about in the first place. I was just stating what the contemporary Bible's are saying, IE what our "christian" children are being taught.
I think The Bible is excellent literature.
I can not read Hebrew I sadly do not know the language
I too have heard that..but does that get changed if quran is burnt?...it doesn't..there are far more better ways to express than burning of quran...some one then burn bible , some veda and some torah..but it wont do any good to any one...
It keeps our children from reading it. It is our choice..that's freedom.
I didn't just hear it, I read it in the Quran. That is not the only evil it teaches.
Go walk around somewhere in the Middle East, but don't lose your head.
what makes you think that children would read it?..and what does official usa stand for?...one church burning a book would end it all?...and religious books barring few are full of non believer and their treatment stuffs...so i am not surprised with it...
You are a very intelligent person; it is not written in general terms but is specific for those Meccans who incessantly attacked Medina couple of hundreds mile away. Please read the context of the verse with the verses in the context, some preceding verses and some following verses. You will know the reality.
I respect you
The church has a choice not to want the Quran.
Like it or not.
is this true ...and if so than tell me more
All the Muslim scholars openly confirm that their “prophet” Mohammad said:
1. I was ordered by God to fight all people until they say that I am his messenger. If they say that I am not, allowed to shed their blood, seize their property, and capture their women.
2. If any Muslim converts to become a Christian or a Jew, he should be killed (Law of Apostasy).
3. If anyone steals even an egg, his hand should be cut off (Law of Theft).
4. If anyone drinks any alcohol, he should be flogged with 40 lashes.
5. Only the blood of Muslims is made equal. Consequently, if any Muslim kills one of another faith he will be required only to pay money to the family, but not be killed. However, the penalty for killing another Muslim is death.
6. Hang the whip where your wives can see it. (According to Al-Zomokhshori, in his popular book “The Revealer,” while explaining the Quran, Sura 4:34).
7. A wife is considered to be a slave to her husband.see AL Gazyia volume5,.and he said that all Muhammad friends including Omar his second successor,confirmed what Muhammad said.
Note: It is well-known that Mohammad not only owned slaves, but was a slave trader in the market of Mecca, especially after he became a “prophet.” (According to Al Gawzyyia in his book Zad Al-Miad, page 160, part 1).
He said also that He bought more than He sold, and he like all his friends had Female slaves for sex.
Yup... it is all true.
Islam has a way of speaking for itself. Don't ya think?
Thanks ron... how you been.
Thanks for posting that.
Who would want their kids to learn such a thing?
You should have quoted the verses with the context from Quran. Please don't escalate the situation.
Gee there should only be half this outrage when the bible is burned, the cross desecrated with urine or the image of Mary smeared with feces. No, that's art, and protected by free speech and is to be tolerated!
Why the double standard?
Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert. There are massacres and churches, synagogues, temples and other places of worship are destroyed.
mary is mother of flesh Christ not Spirit CHrist GOD YHVH.....she is dead did not attend heaven and her prayer is a combination of what the angel and elizabeth said to her giving her honor beccause she was the chosen lady in israel for that holy job.....GOD DOES NOT SHARE HIS PRAISE ALL PRAISE IS TO YHVH.....roman catholicism however is vatican city and illuminati based in fact they too have muslim symbols in the church..dont be deceived folks get out of babylon
It was not done by Quan/Islam/Muhammad. Did they do such wrong acts? If they did not do it; why they should be made a target of the Christian outrage? Is it the teaching of Jesus or Mary?
They are doing it in protest against radical Islam. That's the price of freedom and free speech, people get to express themselves in ways you or I may not like. Look at the positive side, at least they aren't walking into a Mosque and blowing themselves up.
Plenty of Muslims around the world slaughter Christians and Jews, Hindus and any others they can all the time in their lil rallies against the west. I would dare say hundreds of thousands... if not millions of muslims have participated in burning the American flag or the bible around the world.
Don't act like this one lil group of Christians is doing something muslims would never dare to do to anothers cherished objects. Muslims burn many things around the world all the time. And now they get to watch their qu'ran burn.
It is hypocritical of muslims to cry about it... they are the first ones into the streets to burn and scream hate against everyone who doesn't agree with them, momo and allah.
Islamofascists have actually been very active in Thailand, killing teachers because they believe that the teachers are promoting Buddhist culture. (from an Agence France-Presse article) I didn't see anywhere in the article of any Imams preaching against these attacks. This doesn't mean that the Muslims approve, but their leaders should be more vocal and the newspapers should report these disapprovals as well so that we know that the imams do not condone those attacks.
Is it sanity? Is it wisdom? Is it teaching of Jesus?
I don't agree with the Quran-burning, there's no need to copy Islamofascists and Anti-Christians to get your point across.
I watched a couple of documentaries last night on 9/11.
It brought that day back to me and the hostility I felt.
I don't think I care what has been done to these Islamofascists.
I don't think enough has been done.
I agree Jim, as the time gets close to September 11, the anger and grief is still there and surfaces.
I hear that the number of fatalities of 9/11 are about the same as for those around the world who die every few days due to the US war on Islam - when you get around to expressing the same anger at the other casualties of this conflict you all started it might be easier to believe your feelings.
I don't care if you "believe our feelings"!
I wont be expressing any anger towards the US for its war on terrorism.
In fact I will support with tax dollars its continuation and escalation.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Your bigoted and ignorant post is duly noted.
I've read your posts to the Christians, full of ridicule and dislike for them. Now you are calling someone else bigoted?
I love many Christians. The ones who attack me for my beliefs and claim that anyone who doesn't belive as they do deserves a violent death get smacked back. I don't believe in that turn the other cheek nonsense.
Sorry if you can't undestand the difference between that and the attacks in this thread and others on people who have done you no harm.
Jim, I watched that same documentary, and it showed us how lax we were leading up to the attack?
It also showed how through CIA dealings, we helped to cause some of this to happen. Yes we were attacked, but we also play with a lot of things we should not around the world, catering to both sides until it blows up in our faces.
Not telling Americans the truth about what we are really dealing in, and then not stiffening our borders when play like that. We take man-made providence for a blind fact and forget to duck when it comes back at us.
Sit and study, order the full transcript and truly read it. What was really being said in the Documentary, yes sir, I agree we got hit bad by idiots who blame us for everything that’s wrong in the world, but...we are not innocent players in the game.
You can not consider History for one side only. We are not always right. It takes two protagonists to fight, not one. Think..
I agree Flight, we have enough of this already in this world, it is time to stop it.
dutchman, you can't stop someone from burning a quran in the US. They are allowed to do it, you can criticize it but it is a right and a form of political speech.
I wonder why nobody has thought or suggested that perhaps the insistence of the Imam to build his Mosque on ground zero is what's fueling the hatred? Why is it just looked at as the Florida church fueling hatred?
You have a good point, but you know that there are many anti-Americans and anti-Christians who will always take the other side. This imam has already had episodes where he has said hypocritical things, is a slumlord and has taken advantage of people's tax dollars. But that's not going to matter to those people.
Where do you get this information - the picture I have of him is that he is a peaceful cleric who has done real work in reconciliation and is highly thought of by your administration.
Yeah well how's that "reconcilliation" working out now? Now we have churches that want to burn the Koran on 9/11... tell the Imam I said to keep up the good work!
"Where do you get this information"
Not from China.
Yeah Ap. The, "highly thought of by our administration", should be a clue for you.
@lady i can't say about others...but my stand for ground zero mosque has been the same as burning of quran...i strongly oppose building of mosque there...in same way i am opposing burning of quran..perhaps being non religious i view all religion with same prism and for me bible ,quran are books which are of importance to those who believe and even bible itself says-treat others as one likes to be treated..i believe hate can never win over hearts..burning would fuel hatred and never love...i also agree that it applies to imam and mullahs too...
Flight, you are correct, yes,
and when the Muslums start Burning the Bible, that will also be allowed too... right? do you wish to see that also? It will be "Legal"
it always starts with one non thinking self richitious act, humans placing themselves before God. it is always legal sure it is, you bet ya!
but.... is it worth all of this? now is chance for people with back-bone to act, stop it up front on "both" ends, but...will we?
If the Bible is in their country, they have a right to burn it, but not here in America.
No American would burn the Quran in the Middle East. We do have respect for people.
Why do you think we sent $15 billion dollars to Haiti?
I wish America would stop helping other countries and help us instead. The other Bast--- countries don't appreciate it and continue to hate us.
well it is true that many countries hates america..ironically the one where usa's presence is there in form of money or military or government relationship hate is far more ...it is sad but true...
They only hate the bigoted vicious and slightly moronic section of American society, that would seem to be predominantly christian I guess. Others get a lot of respect around the world, especially those that you assassinate.
Who have we assassinated? How delusional are you?
Oh I don't take him seriously, he's one of those always blaming America.
Actually, I should correct myself. The great Obama has said it was okay to target American Muslims in Al Qaeda who have a hand in planning attacks in the US.
But the Muslims keep talking about how the Quran is full of love.
Why should they hate any, if they are indeed loving Muslims
Yes burning the Bible is seen as a right and a form of political speech as well, and people are allowed to criticize that as well.
I don't go for burning books, but I don't go for burning flags either. The reality is, its been done.
well at last bedtime has arrived here in china and I can go to a place of sanity and peace instead of being drawn into this hate filled thread full of bigoted people. Why does swallowing a bible turn some people into instant morons, is there that much hate and stupidity in its pages !
I went out and bought 4 dozen new qu'rans to burn... already lit a few up... can't wait for the celebration.
Aren' you a weird person?! What good has it done to you.
You Americans are so childish !
Can't you see the truth behind the burning of the Q'uran ?
What do you think it's going to happen, thanks to your ignorance and naivete ?
I only hope Muslims wont be as childish as you and play this foolish game!
This is another attempt to validate the next wars to Iran and their neighbors. To erase Muslims forever.
I can't believe you still think Muslims are Evil. What more evil can it be a country who kills his own people to begin a war ? Or do you think the 9/11 was a Muslim deed ? Do your security system is so feeble and full of mortal flaws ?Do you really believe that ?
So, the conspiracy theory of Bush & 9.11 you'll believe,
but not any conspiracy theory about the Left or about other Nations....?
What country are you in, may I ask? It would be interesting to know what false rumors are perpetuated in other countries about us and why.
It's an old story in America. A bunch of dissatisfied, frustrated simpletons look for someone to blame their circumstances on; a charismatic snake oil peddler comes along and convinces then that all will be right if they just persecute the minority du jour.
The good news is, they run out of steam after awhile, claiming they never supported these hateful views in the first place, and return to the cesspool that spawned them. It's happened here since day one; have faith-this too shall pass.
By the way Ron that snake oil you sold me did nothing for my sore throat.
But, I haven't been this regular in years.
Sorry, I have another extract to try in your throat..
I now get why you are so in favor of homosexual marriage.
You go Boi..
Yeah ! The problem is , that although it always passes , it leaves thousands of deaths behind.
Hmm... is it more childish to be childish or call someone childish.
Why didn't you just say:
"Nanny Nanny Poo Poo I'm bigger than you you"
It would have been equally as childish and far more entertaining.
I LOVE being a Childish American!
I'm not bigger than you, that's why.
I'm only more sensible
Because people like you are proud to be 'Childish Americans', instead of perceiving reality,your Gov can go on with all that ##%°° they're so used to bestow upon everybody!
Yes, well, I can see how insulting a whole nation is quite sensible and mature. Your irrefutable logic and common sense have certainly shown me the error or my ways.
Name calling is always so effective. You should do it more often.
Where is the name calling ?
I'm only pointing out what is obvious.
Have you finished high school ? Or you're just about ?
And if it's so obvious, you need to point it out ... why again?
Nah, I'm starting kindergarten this year. It's great to be a real child.
I need to point it out, because you're blind, child !
You probably need to brush up on your teaching style. As the more mature one, the responsibility is, of course yours, as it is currently ineffective ... entertaining as hell, but ineffective.
Of course! I can't be effective teaching, if the pupil not only don't have eyes, but lacks a brain as well.
Odd, we have schools for the blind and they can be taught quite effectively.
I can't be blind, exactly, I see an insecure little man, easily provoked who takes himself FAR too seriously.
It has to be a little more complicated than that.
How can I take myself seriously while posting on a forum ? lol
And of course I don't take you seriously either. It seems you like to see insecure little men in your contenders. Maybe you should go visit your shrink.
Yeah, I'm sorry, it was childish and immature to point out that you're being childish and immature.
Of course, it was childish and immature of you to point out that I was being childish and immature. But being childish and immature myself, it was of course necessary to point out that you are childish and immature.
And, of course, to prove me correct, you continued to behave in a childish and immature way.
Doncha just love it when everybody is right!
It's not right to burn any book in my opinion. The day you burn a book for its ideas, is the day when freedom of speech has been taken away.
And in this case, for someone to contemplate burning a book which is holy and sacred for over one billion Muslims is asking for trouble. How does burning a holy book help? This would only inflame and incite Muslims and the extremists amongst them would, I am sure, stop at nothing to avenge such a blasphemous and heinous act. Dangerous talk and posturing is inciteful enough but to even dare contemplate burning a holy book like the Koran is sheer insanity. Those who condone such acts need to get their heads examined.
While I agree with you in principle Mr. richtwf...the fact is that both Christian and Muslims are guilty of such atrocities so shouldn't your comment have said
"And in any case, for someone to contemplate burning a book which is holy and sacred , is asking for trouble."
"This would only inflame and incite Muslims and the extremists amongst them would, I am sure, stop at nothing to avenge such a blasphemous and heinous act. "
Now there's a shocker!
Only if you consider the qu'ran a holy book.
It is not.
I am tired of everyone expecting Christians and Jews to accept Islam as a revealed word of god.
It is not.
It is holy to them Mr. TM, you can't simply dismiss a faith just because it isn't yours...should you, perhaps my assesment of you has been all wrong.
My family hasn't fought in so many conflicts for only one religion.
I dismiss its validity as a revealed word of god, yes.
If they want to follow it, thats their chioce.
It does not mean I have to agree it is holy or other-wise. And I do not dismiss it lightly. But knowing full well that if I assert the qu'ran is revealed from God, then I by definition am stating that I know my religion as a Christian is false.
You cannot believe the qu'ran to be revealed truth of God, and believe Christianity or Judaism is the revealed word of God.
Islam was sent to correct the corruption the Jews and Christians had made in the Word of God. So either that was its intent and it has accomplished that... or it is not a revealed word of God.
So I do not just dismiss Islam lightly...
I must admit that I have never read the Quran so cannot make an assesment as to any of its inherent flaws; however I don't believe that a Japanese textbook is false, just because it doesn't agree with one printed in the US. Seperate cultures.
My pioint is the word of God is infalible... it is eternal truth... and to state that Isam and christianity and Judaism can co-exist, is wrong.
Islam was sent to momo specifically to correct the flawed books and religions of the jews and Christians... which the jews and Christians had corrupted.
Only if two of them state they are wrong and change to Islam, can they co-exist. Unless you like Dhimmi status?
"And to state that Isam and christianity and Judaism can co-exist, is wrong."
I hope you're wrong about this. Scary thought.
"Islam was sent to momo specifically to correct the flawed books and religions of the jews and Christians... which the jews and Christians had corrupted."
I wouldn't know as I've never studied their beliefs.
"Unless you like Dhimmi status?"
Please don't insult me sir. I don't feel any religion is tolerating another. You can't simply "Weed out the infidel!"
I didn't mean the "Dhimmi status" as an insult.
Simply that, that is the only option for one of the "people of the book", Jews and christians, to hold in Islamic society.
I would not insult you, luv.
I wish I was wrong about the co-existance thing... but Islam was sent because of the corruptions of Christianity and Judaism, and as such its main imperative is to correct those revealations.
Well if that's what Islam is all about...that's just stupid. For any religion to believe they exist only to correct another is stupid! As I said...haven't studied it.
That is not what is taught. There is actually an entire surah in the Qur'an that states:
1 Say: O disbelievers [in Islam]
2 I worship not that which ye worship;
3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
It is only 6 verses, but it was so important to Islam that is was dedicated to its own chapter. You may like to read about the Byantine empire leaving Jerusalem and Christians signing the city over to Umar ibn al-Khattab who promised to protect the Christian places of worship. You may find it an interesting read.
That surah you quote is abbrogated by the later Medinian verses regarding dealing with non-believers and people of the books. You should know that, sister.
Also the people of Constantinople went into Dhimmitude and paid the jizya. There was no joyous peaceful surrender you seem to think took place.
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/category/ … c-finance/
Yes Quran rectified "corruption the Jews and Christians had made in the Word of God".
It is your right to argue but not to burn.
The burning of anything is not simply and act of hate.. it implies a fear of the strength of what is being burned. As a Christian and someone who believes in freedom, I have no fear of the expression of different beliefs and views.. but rather fear those who would seek to limit such expression and beliefs.
Today it's Islam, tomorrow is is my particular Christian sect.
Well it is just as limiting to stop political speech expressed by burning the Koran, don't you think?
I agree, burning the Quran is free speech.
Yes I do agree with you.
Such acts of idiocy and cowardice should be allowed in a free society...
but of course just because they should be legal, doesn't make them right
There are people who agree with that opinion as well.
What is this, Fahrenheit 451?
I'm pro freedom of speech, but I'm against burning of books for any reason.
Ray Bradbury talked about this years and years ago and now it's coming true.
That scares me.
Books are a source of knowledge. Christo-facists are against knowledge. Books are evil and must be destroyed.
I am hoping that idiot church will not do it as it will endanger and probably get many good women and men (soldiers) killed as well as many innocents. Just the word of it caused mini rebellion.
yeah, let's protest radical Islam by being radical Christians. let's burn their book. that really sends a message.
Gainesville is home to one of the largest liberal arts universities in the country. it is a tolerant liberal arts city. I can't see this going through without a lot of protest.
another religious whacko.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florid … index.html
There are alot of Liberals that work at UF, and a pretty good size college population... but the woods are full of conservative baptists and methodists that have no problem burning that book. And are just waiting to send a message to islamic "extremists", that we don't give a shit about their book and what it says.
And I see nothing extreme about burning a book... no.
Extreme would be beheading people because they burned your book, or drew cartoons about your prophet, or flushed a page of your book, or simply heard about anyone anywhere saying or doing something to your book, or about your prophet.
It is well within the rights of those burning the qu'ran to be able to burn it.
They are not beheading or stoning anyone, nor are they calling for anyone's death because they do not like that persons sexual preference, or for being with someone when not married, or cheating on someone, or speaking bad about momo and the qu'ran.
No... the extremists are on the other side of the debate. Burning a book is not extreme in the least. And it is a sad world when it is considered as such.
Christo-facist violence has lately been concentrated on murdering doctors and gay American citizens, but I have no doubt it will soon turn to the "Muslim problem" The knife attack on the New York cabbie was just the first salvo from these religious fanatics.
I also have no doubt that Christian militants will justify these acts as being sanctioned by the one true god.
That knife attack was a leftist who was for building the mosque, against a taxi driver who is a muslim against building the mosque.
So that one is on you all... and then the lefty at the national geographic building last week. The left is off and running.
Wrong again #1, but nice try. The attacker specifically attacked the driver because he was Muslim. Although he belonged to the organization,he was not involved in their efforts supporting the mosque.
It's not the left stirring up hatred in NYC, it is as usual the bigots of the right.
there is no positive in what this man wants to do.
it will incite what he SAYS he's against.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2010 … an-burning
We're not cutting off innocent people's heads. No one's head actually
nah, all you have to do is ask any 8 year old the message it sends.
I'm officially banning myself from coming back to this thread.
how this man intends to protest is in fact inciting violence.
I lived in Gainesville while in college, the city is progressive and tolerant. his congregation has 50 followers, hardly a favorite in the community. the backwoods conservatives won't get involved, except maybe in their own churches to pray.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2010 … bal-impact
If the person who is burning the book is the owner of the book, then it is Private Property. Are we now trying to dictate what someone can do with their own Property?
They also have to follow local laws and ordinances!
Oh, they haven't burned the Quran yet? And where is this protest supposed to take place? Where in Florida?
Lots of people have burned Quran's in the past. This one is just a big deal for some reason. Probably because the Church wanted attention and sent a press release to CNN.
It will take place at the specific Church in Gainesville. All of the information can be found online.
karla here is the addr:
I went and looked at it...nough said
Well, doing that will only make things worse. It's very innapropriate and will bring forth more hate.
There's a lot of hate on this thread.
Hate of islam.
Hate of christianity.
Hate of atheism.
Now I'm seeing hate of homosexuals.
C'mon everybody. COEXIST.
Why do you hate me Brenda? What did I ever do to you but let you catch and eat my entire family?
I think it is getting looked at as a lot worse of a thing, than it actually is.
The church is buying korans and burning them... not siezing them from all the citizens and banning the printing and distribution of them. This is not some round-up and burning like the Leftists have done througout history. This is simply a few dozen Americans excersizing their right to free speech and expression.
and the right to kill U.S. soldiers...
You know I keep hearing the left spout that... but I do not buy it.
So you should not use your rights, because someone else might not like it and may hurt people because you excercize your rights?
I don't think so. Muslims are going to kill American soldiers tomorrow and the next day regardless of what that church does. Islam's problem with the US is a lot deeper than that church and its actions.
So you do not support building that mosque at ground zero?
General Patraeus is a leftist? Someone should tell him quick!
Building the mosque would enhance relations with moderates in the middle east - which is exactly why the Kristian right AND Muslim fanatics want it to fail. The Christo-facists and the Islamo-facists have so much in common.
There are no moderates in the Middle East, Ron.
If so I would appreciate you pointing them out.
One could even say they are "blood brothers"
How do you feel about flag burning? Bible burning? If someone goes out and buys a flag or Bible him/herself, that is.
Nobody wants to answer this? Interesting.
I'll have a go Maddie.
I think destroying symbols is pretty dull unless it is still popular with the public after the press have got to it and successful pumped it up to the front page.
Then it may have the advantage of stimulating some debate which it seems was needed before the burning took place.
I didn't know anyone was actually interested in an answer to the question.
You know I never liked seeing anyone burn the American flag or the bible, didn't like the christian relics in feces either, nor the viginia diaries at schools nation-wide,.. but free speech is free speech.
I also know that many who bitch the guy shouldn't do it also scream about not being made to surender our rights because of fear of the enemy. So I am confused by some of those opposed to this... I understand it will piss muslims off world wide, but I also now that Islam's issues with the West and Christianity, not to mention the rest of the world, are deeper that just a few Christians burning the qu'ran.
I have watched Muslims in the middle of NY burn the flag and spit on it, as they burn other Americans flags and wave sign around reading behead this person or that person. And bush is a NAZI and America is murderers... etc.
And they don't care who it pisses off.
Who are they to tell Americans they cannot burn a qu'ran? It is amazing.
I think very, very few people are actually saying that this church cannot burn a Qur'an. I hear more people saying that they shouldn't. And they're allowed to say so. It's an opinion. That's freedom of speech, too.
Yes, and we have the right to our opinions..
They drew first fire?
PHOTO: Afghans burn an effigy of Dove World Outreach Center's pastor Terry Jones, who plans on
burning Korans, during a demonstration in Kabul Monday. Sadeq/AP via NYDN.
Why shouldn't they?
They did this because Dove had already threatened to burn the Quran.
If Dove had never said they were going to do that, then this picture would have never been taken, because they would have no reason to have burned an effigy of Mr. Jones.
I am positive they would have someone else or something else to burn and riot about had not Dove annonced his intent to burn that book.
It is absurd to think the whole world should bow to islam and not draw pictures, or burn their qu'ran. All the while millions of them burn and riot about any lil percieved injustice they feel like, and burn what-ever they want.
That is a cop out excuse... they do not need Dove to find a reason to do what they do.
Oh now come on.
I have literally seen hundreds of pictures like this throughout my life.
This is not something new. I saw Muslims celebrating on 9/11.
I was homicidal, but there they were dancing and burning our flag.
I have no compassion for the feelings of these people in this picture.
Literally F*** Them!
I still do not believe this center should burn the Qu'Ran but I care less what a bunch of radical protesters think.
Whoa whoa whoa, I did not say they wouldn't burn an American flag.
There's hundreds of pictures of violent muslims burning flags.
The problem is, now we've got the peaceful ones burning them, too.
Anyway, we've burned Quran's before, too. Who drew first fire is beyond any of us because none of us were there as it was many many years ago when this religious war started.
The only reason this Quran burning is getting so much media attention, as I stated before, is because the guy wrote a book, came up with this idea to promote it, and sent press releases out to major news outlets so this would get featured.
The guy is just trying to sell his book. It's a publicity stunt. And look, it worked!
I think it is their right to be able to do so.
Just as it is the right of the Imam and his in NY to build that mosque, or for this minister to burn his qu'rans. As is it the right of those muslims around the world to freak out and burn whatever they want. But watch they will go well above and beyond... probrably burn a few Christians somewhere in the world.
And that won't be their fault... it will be the fault of someone who burned a book.
How sad of a world is that.
How many would you like?
Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
From the bible.
"two wrongs don't make one right" is right!
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Actually no one is firing.
Just stating opinions.
Everyone (not talking about you, so far) feels only like minded people should give their opinion
Everyone has a right to voice their opinions, at least in the U.S. This congregation has the right to burn the books.
I personally do not support the burning of any books.
Especially when it is only being done to cause hate and outrage(and possibly larger donations to the outreach center)
I do question the intent and motives of this Pastor?
Fifteen minutes of fame?
Yup... his fifteen mins probrably got something to do with it.
But I know alot of the people who support it around here, do so because they feel islam is being pushed into society and on their children in schools. Their kids are being taught their religion is junk, while the schools in effect support Islam as a real religion.
They are in effect doing what they claim they hate about christians... pushing a religion through the govt.
The School books down here do things such as talk about the Muslim World Brotherhood and other terrorist orgs as Islamic Societies, and alot of the rhtoric in them come from orgs like CAIR and is nothig more than propaganda.
Parents are mad around here and throughout the country.
This may not be the right way to go about bringing attention to the true teachings of Islam, which are fairly hateful and intolerant, but maybe some will finally look at the religion they are defending.
Here is some "truth" from the quoran.
Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”
More love and tolerance.
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
We're all guilty of murdering non-believers. Well, except for those who subscribe to no religion.
The Bible states:
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Please look these up in your home Bible and confirm.
Garrett. where ya been mate?
I have been quoting these and hundreds of others for two years now from both books, because they spew the same hate as each other. .
And they always come up with a reason as to why "you" are wrong and "they" are right or they just ignore it and go on doing these things because they were told to do them.
Sorry man, I'm fairly new!
Glad to see someone agrees with me. I've been saying the same thing for as long as I've been properly educated in religion (by properly I mean-took the time to introduce myself to them all and do research on them my self).
Most religious texts, from all different religions, say the same thing.
All religion is the same, with different names.
Yes, where have you been matey?
Such love and peace. And I am the infidel?
Apparently Deborah, sadly that is what it says.
It sure does say that earnest.
you know...I am starting to see the sources of some of why you post like you do...two oposing books, logical parts missing...not good.
Earnest I was saying "such love and peace" to them and just want to make sure you know it.
I know it says a lot of terrible things. When I starting reading it, I couldn't believe it was "spiritual"
Last time I checked, 9/11 was a day of rememberance for those who had lost their lives in the terror attacks. Though this group certainly does not represent the whole of Christianity, their actions will be viewed that way by the rest of the Muslim world. Not that I give a crap what the arab world think of US. Their actions are inconsistant with the teachings of Jesus.
I don't understand the book burning. I love books. I don't think I could ever destroy one!
While I agree that they should not burn the Quran I wish that those responsible for the 9/11 attack had been satisfied with only burning the Bible.
I am tired to death of everyone expecting the U.S. to turn the other cheek and play nice with the imbeciles that have no problem celebrating the mass murder of so many Americans. We did not start this mess, and before anyone says it NO I do not believe the conspiracy crap about 9/11, and it is pointless to try and convince me that any American was involved in that mess.
If the Afghanistan people want us gone they should quit protecting the people who were responsible period.
Every time somebody has a problem who is supposed to fix it? The Americans right? That mentality is almost global. There are very few exceptions. But as soon as we have fixed their messes and spend our money doing it then they want to stab us in the back as we are leaving.
Americans have the right to be and should be fed up with being treated like this. Americans have the right in America to express their opinions on American soil in anyway that does not violate the laws of this country. You all want to talk about burning this book like it somehow compares to the murder of thousands of Americans please! Get a grip already.
Hmmmm ! Most of the world, that you quote, does not see it that way. They see that America started it, fueled it, inflamed it and the attacks on America were retaliation. To blindly say that 'they' are attacking you is to ignore the last 50 years of history. It is nto turning the other cheek and playing nice as you put it - it is turn the other cheek and stop fuelling the fires that is required, burning the Quran is fuelling the fire in the same way as burning the bible or national flags.
Ultimately, I remain skeptical of the official storyline concerning 9/11.
There are too many coincidences behind what happened that day that cannot be ignored...
And then there is the longstanding track record.....
The "Mexican attack" on U.S. soldiers used to propel us into the Mexican American War........lies...but Americans died.
The "Remember the Maine".....that enabled us to take coveted Cuba....
The Gulf of Tonkin "affair" was even deemed fraudulent by Lyndon Johnson himself.... His words while in the White House have been recorded for posterity...thanks to the internal surveillance system created by JFK.
And then there is Operation Northwoods........
The Florida Church should not burn Quran; it is no service to humanity
Neither is Amadiwhateverhisname threatening to nuke Israel but he does it anyway and he runs a country. Which is more serious?
nice psychotic little jump there F k er or whatever your name is
What happened to freedom of religion and freedom of expression you libs are always using when it comes to something you support?
Never mind, I answered my own question.
Yeah. I think that's something the liberal agenda follows only if it's Chrisitan-Bible-burning or something like that.
Now come on Brenda - you know the liberals on these forums frequently condemn both sides of this moronic divide, you on the one side and the fundamentalist others on the other side. There is no difference between either side except you are both wrong.
Sorry, but I'm not interested in debating any point with someone who leaves out letters in someone's screen name to make it hint at a vulgarity, as you did.
The liberals on these forums are just as inconsistent as they are in real life.
Except when it comes to being hypocritical then they are as consistent as Sunday follows Saturday.
Actually, they are among the most consistent.
They are consistently inconsistent.
My favorite is how Liberals are Pro-Abortion but Anti-Death Penalty.
So it's okay to kill babies but not criminals.
That doesn't make sense.
Either kill everyone or kill no one, can't pick and choose!
This I agree with you on.
And I agree we should burn the Twilight books! ha Even though you might've been kidding about that.
I have a feeling we want to burn the Twilight books for different reasons (but I don't want to assume).
I do hate the Twilight series because I think they are an absolute disgrace to modern literature. Well, all literature, really.
However, I do not believe in the burning of ANY books. Just a personal opinion.
So, I was half kidding =P
I don't think the argument here is whether a person(s) should be allowed to do it.
I think most of the liberals here have agreed, by all means, you have the right to burn it.
The question here is of ethics. SHOULD you burn it.
That has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech.
Well, the question STILL remains of SHOULD the Muslims build that mega-mosque near Ground Zero too...
And....I probably have a different view than most about this, but I consider Islam a political movement, so I personally think it is even unConstitutional to build mosques here; so for sure, it's okay to burn an anti-American book if someone wants to. But whatever. "Political correctness" has been winning out gradually ever since the shock of 9/11 wore off (at least from the liberal community).
I agree with you. That is a question that still remains, "SHOULD the Muslims build the Mosque near Ground Zero".
But, that is not the question to be discussed on this thread, as that is not what the OP posted this thread about.
I do see that they are related, but there are ALREADY other threads to discuss that and I would gladly meet you over on those threads to discuss it there. However, that is not what this thread is about.
"SHOULD you burn it."
"That has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech."
That has everything to do with freedom of speech, you just don't like the speech!
No, it doesn't.
You have the right to burn it. You ARE and SHOULD BE allowed to burn it. You have that freedom to do that, and I fully support you having the freedom to do that.
It is a fact, not an opinion, that you have the right, whether I like it or not, to burn the Quran. I have no issue admitting that. It is a FACT.
But the question here is of ethics, not of freedoms. Saying "we have a freedom to do it" is just plain stupid. We know that. It's in the constitution. The OP is not arguing that fact.
The thread isn't titled "The Florida Church should not be allowed to burn Quran" it's titled "The Florida Church should not burn Quran".
I think it's stupid of you to restated the obvious "because we can".
Wait...wasn't that Obama's slogan? "Yes we can!"
"No, it doesn't."
I'm not sure if you are getting this.
I replied to you not the OP.
"SHOULD you burn it."
"That has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech."
And I said
"That has everything to do with freedom of speech, you just don't like the speech!"
You may want to go argue your point with someone else you obviously are having a hard time comprehending.
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech are 'given' - reasonable human behaviour is all that is required to deal with this situation, extreme stupidity and aggressive moronic behaviour that inflames this or any situation could be defined as a real evil.
But then you already know this.
The real "evil" is having you or the government define what is "reasonable".
Why ?? does it get in the way of your hate for the other?
Wait, I thought the government and it's laws were there to protect us by defining what is reasonable.
Show's how ignorant I am!
"Wait, I thought the government and it's laws were there to protect us by defining what is reasonable."
"Show's how ignorant I am!"
The government thinks it is reasonable to spend money that they don't have.
The government thinks it is reasonable to study the ecological impact of measures to prevent an ecological disaster.
You probably do too.
Actually, I don't.
Thanks for assuming, though.
You know what they say about assuming...
"I thought the government and it's laws were there to protect us by defining what is reasonable."
I didn't assume anything.
The Florida preacher is playing with the same stupidity as those who would retaliate. In my estimation, they deserve to live together forever with each other. Their own torment of each other for all eternity might be a good form of justice to them.
The preacher has been warned repeatedly. And now he carries a gun strapped to his waist as a sign of his good will and God-loving-peace. Idiot of idiots. And those who would retaliate over such stupidity are equally stupid for buying into this junior-high-school level drama.
As I say, may they live together forever and leave the rest of us alone.
Unfortunately the effect of his stupidity is increased action on your front lines. But then it will be others that get killed, I guess he will then talk mealy mouth sh@te about American heroes dying for (his) moronic crusade.
I posted a thread about how it's all just a publicity stunt to sell his books. Not sure if I'm allowed to "advertise" other threads, but it's in the "Religion And Philosophy" forum.
Burning books or anything is bad for environment, so must desist. Otherwise, you can burn anything in America. But burning the book in America may cause deaths by burning of Americans elsewhere in the world. That is the reality. You may fume at it but you can not stop it.
It is like a lion being frightened of a mouse but there it is.
I have a question?
What happens say...they go ahead and burn (they have a permit to burn as I understand it) and the Media plays this up real good. World wide protests start up, fever builds.
Then a month or two from now, things appear to be dying down.... some very nice fall morning, a rural area, where a police force is small and does not put money into terror detection,( no tax base to do it) Lets say a farm community some-where?
And a Church no where near this place and its members innocent of any of this, are gatherd, with a full fall (nice weather) attendance; with say- sunday school in sesson-kids in the nursery, etc...
and some crasy Islamic Terrorist sympathasier tosses a pipe bomb in the window to answer (get even)? Or worse one poses as a converting new member and blows himself up while seated in services.
will the fact that burning a book is Legal matter then?
Will the actions of a small handfull of Religious zealots be any more justified by our Constitutional law then?
be carefull what we ask for folks, we just may get it!
This is the fear I have.
We're just asking to have another plane flown into our buildings.
What do you mean, "we're asking" for it?
Do you mean we'd be causing it?
Or you're just very afraid to tee off the terrorists? Or that we have a responsibility to try to NOT tee them off??
And.....actually, I thought it was "peace-loving Muslims" that are teed-off about the book-burning, so why should we be afraid??
I feel like we should be actively defending our country against terrorists. Whether that is here, or over seas.
I do not feel we should be provoking them.
I also feel that is what's going to happen.
Read the last sentence of my post; I edited it, added that last sentence....
So...you equate teeing off the Muslims with teeing off the terrorists, right?
Because that guy Nazir or whatever his name is, who called for all Muslims to oppose the Florida church's actions, was making such a big deal about it that he knows it's sure to incite the ire of terrorists! Even though he said it would be a "peaceful" opposition, I'm sure he's smart enough to know his words can create the start of something much worse.
Another thing------the Koran-burning is gonna take place in AMERICA. It might be different if that church congregation went to a MUSLIM country and threatened to burn the Koran there.
I did not see the edit before.
I'm under the impression it is all Muslims that are "teed off" whether radical and violent or moderate and peaceful.
Also, when I say "terrorists" I mean that generally. Terrorists can be of any religion, any nation.
In this case, it's radical Muslims that I'm afraid of.
Or peaceful Muslims that are now so "teed off" that they become radicals.
Either way, I just fear someone is going to get hurt.
I do too.
But....does that mean a person's rights shouldn't be exercised when it's a cause he/she truly believes in?
Especially when our President actually instigates the OPPOSITE viewpoints by equating Christianity with Islam AND insulting Christians, AND going around apologizing for wrongs that America's supposedly done, and in other ways stripping away our National sovreignty??
I say if our "leader" can spout his instigating carp from the highest Office in the land, then a little old church in Florida has the right to burn any books they own. If Obama can tee off his OWN people (supposedly his own people anyway), the CHRISTIANS in America, then surely Americans can speak against (and burn) an unChristian, unAmerican book.
I am not one of "Obama's people" I am my own person. I did not vote for the man and I wouldn't if I had a second chance.
I think that it is the churches right to burn a book they own, that they purchased, and do it on their own property, they also purchased. They sure as heck have that right and if the truly believe in it, well darn it they should!
But that won't change the facts that I:
A) Hope it doesn't result in any negative aftereffects causing one or many to get hurt (I even pray the pastor himself doesn't get hurt, which worries me just as much).
B) Disagree with their reason for doing it.
Does that mean my rights shouldn't be exercised when it's a cause I truly believe in?
Seems like there is always someone throwing another log on the fire.
It seems as though it is becoming a more acceptable thing to do.
And the next guy is going to want to out do the last.
When too many people throw just one more log on the fire at the same time, The flames will reach the mountain tops.
This is what we do when we are left to our own devices.
Mob mentality is forming and the alpha dog has not yet been determined.
Brenda...think....we are not asking for anything but common sense to prevail. but actions, sometimes how ever innocent enough, can spark something to get out of hand.
Terroist sympathasers Feed off their own version of the Koran, and they feel no remorse or thought for anything but their cause alone. If they take it as an insult, and we have our backs open, like we still do because we are an open free society, then we can and may get hit.
People like Nazir will get them started every time, not only emotionaly but with financial backing. Making it really possible. The idea is to keep your enimies close, keep a hand on them, friendly but with caution, and watch and prevent it from happening, not incite it, and make mistakes.
Where that Book is burnt is immaterial, if some Terror group sees an opertunity they will use it here in the US reguardless.. Because its America does not make it justifiable to take open chances to get hit.
Think, did our betrail of the Muhadeen fighters by the CIA, because Bush senior did not want it funded anymore; stop 9-1-1? It helped it to happen, and it caused the assination of the Talaban General that was pro U.S. With no US Funds the commanders set up the General, They are loyal to who pays them the most, and It made way for Ben Laudin to take over the organization and made it much worse.???? If the Taliban were still pro US (well paid) would BenLauden still be free? think...
America plays all over the Globe on boh sides, then it is suprised when it backfiers. I have worked on 5 different contenants for the US, I am pro US all the way, be we do stupid stuff!
We do not need any more added on top of what we have to Handle now.
Things like this book mess are small and add up with others to create a much bigger mess. We need to learn from mistakes and smarten up, not head down an old destructive path.
Nobody here is afraid of Muslums, it is "not" our countries choice or way, and will never be. There is nothing to fear. America will stand.
But legal or not, what if it really causes something to happen as retaliation. Did we really need to take that extra on?
That Fla. Preacher was on the News, he clearly stated he thinks we have lost or are loosing to Islam???? Backing down....we are not doing that. but he is looking emotionaly like he's personaly insulted. Well he may well be and have right to feel so, the Administration is weak. But he is not empowerd to act for us.
Look around the world for real answers. Most of their folks (Muslums') who can afford it are leaving their lands for freedoms like education, jobs, monies, houses, they run to the freedom for life, not to promote take over. There is a difference between extreamists who should be eliminated, and real Muslums who just want a life.
Look at real past history, take for instance the patato famon in Ireland, they flocked here in mass, brought their religion, ideas etc all of it with them. Did we turn into a Irish holding? NO! have we ever really given up America, no! and we will not we are too spoiled on Freedom to stand for it.
It is no different today. We need to see this in real time, not as Religionists and Zealots.
Think with common sense, not emotion. We are ok, we need to take pre-cautions, thats all thats being said. I offerd the senario as possible, because we do have some crackpots resident in country that are capable of something stupid! that is all I meant.
and no matter how you ratonialise it, if a nut reacts to the book burning to get even, it was provoked by that preacher, world affairs aside.
I give up...I am toast....lol
Did the parents and children of Beslan asked to be massacred on the first day of school? Did those clubgoers in Bali ask to be attacked? No, I blame the Muslims terrorists who planned those awful acts. No one can predict what will happen and if people decide to kill people because of what some preacher did in another country, I'm not going to excuse them because of that act. You can also say that the media is responsible for enflaming the whole thing, you can say the foreign Imams are responsible for galvanizing their followers, etc. It doesn't all go down to this one preacher because he had a Koran burning.
It's just throwing stones at wasp nests.
Or at crows nests, if you don't have wasps where you live.
So you're saying that Muslims have no capacity to act sensibly? I don't liken this to throwing stones at a wasp's nest. You obviously think the muslim ego is that fragile. I hope that's not true for all our sakes, because if it is that fragile, it won't take much for it to break and anything can break it.
I am only able to base my beliefs on what I have seen/experienced.
Many of them have an ego that fragile, as we have seen on the news and in images like the one halfway up the page^^.
I will never speak for the whole of Muslims, the whole of Christians, the whole of Americans, the whole of anyone but my self. I do not generalize.
However, I will speak of specific groups. And there is clearly a specific group who's ego IS that fragile. As I said, we can see in news reports, on the internet, and in that image above.
But you are saying that that specific group represents the entire group if you are catering to their perceptions.
You were arguing that the preacher shouldn't have the koran burning because that would provoke the fragile egos of a specific muslim group to committing an attack on us, thereby ignoring the rest of the muslim population whose egos are less fragile and wouldn't be provoked by the koran burning. So you just catered to this smaller specific group acting like it represents the entire whole, and based your fear on it.
I don't understand how fearing a specific group that is a sect of a larger group is acting like it represents the whole.
In a prison, I fear the murderers. But I don't fear those who are there for marijuana, or tax evasion, or other non-violent crimes. That doesn't in any way make me fearful of criminals, just criminals who also kill people.
I don't fear Muslims, just Muslims who also kill people.
And burning the Quran may or may not piss those Muslims off, causing them to kill people.
I don't want anyone to get hurt, regardless of who does it.
The problem with that logic is that there are those who don't need an excuse to get offended. If it's not a book burning, it will be the fact that women in the US are not required to cover themselves. Or we use the wrong type of toilet paper or shave or whatever.
My point is that some of those murders didn't need a rational reason to kill. Tiptoeing around being afraid to piss someone irrational off just makes it worse.
If you let them (the murders regardless of religion or reason for murdering) dictate your life by being afraid to move because you might piss them off, then they get what they want anyway.
Violence is just one way to control people. The other is to take advantage of their good nature by acting offended.
The only problem is that I only care if I offend someone if I have good nature. If I don't care if I offend, then it really doesn't matter how offended someone is.
So, being offended or threatening violence are just two ways for people without good nature to control others.
I think that's EXACTLY what the OP is trying to do.
I believe that you are correct that we should not live in fear.
The Pastor who is orchestrating this whole thing is doing it on purpose to provoke them. He said so him self on their website.
That, I feel, is wrong.
But of course, it's how I feel and anyone and everyone are welcome to agree or disagree.
I agree it's mean spirited and I don't believe it pleases God. And yes, I think it's wrong.
I just don't think fear is a good reason to avoid it.
Fear breeds fear. Whether they admit it or not, the church in Florida is acting in fear. Fear is not faith. And that does not please God.
So, there are two fear reactions ... 1) Fight. 2) Flight.
So, yes, I agree acting from fear is a bad plan. That's what they are doing. But as long as they are obeying local fire ordinances and paid for the books they're burning, they really aren't doing anything illegal.
Ignoring them is FAR more effective than denouncing them. If you denounce them, you give them what they want, an enemy to offend.
Thank you, I was trying to say the same thing to Garrett but you said it much better.
BDazzler, in reply to your post here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/52830#post1210095
You are right in your wisdom. Fear is not what I should be feeling. Thank you for sharing your thoughts AND reasoning (many people here sometimes share thoughts with no reasoning, myself included at times).
It happens all the time that people fear a subset and project in on the larger group, what's not to understand, you just did it. You think this one preacher burning a koran is going to cause a whole bunch of peaceful muslims to retaliate, that's your fear. If you didn't cater to that specific group you would think that the majority of Muslims have strong egos and wouldn't be bothered by this dumb preacher and you wouldn't have this fear, but that's not how you're feeling.
It only takes one to get close enough to sting.
Maybe I shouldn't fear this particular situation.
But humans survived and evolved to where were are now through fear.
Fear of enemies.
Fear of disease.
Ultimately: fear of death.
It's not just a fragile ego that's to be considered, the burning of the Quran will be seen as a slight against their prophet, and an attack against Islam.
The good thing is that if they are provoked, and retaliate, then maybe folk will realise that the words peaceful and Muslim are not totally compatible.
Sure there are a majority of Muslims that are ordinary folk who are token believers, the same as the majority of Christians are token believers, not radical, but unfortunately the minority who ARE 'devout' are also prepared to wage war by any means.
And it's the radical minority who rule and make the problems.
So the radical Christians have the right to burn whatever they want, provided they own it, and do it in their backyard.
But I doubt whether the radical Islamics will agree that they have that right, and there lies the rub, for what do you stand for, freedom of though, deed and belief within the law of the land, or adherence to a minority opinion that seeks to govern your actions for any reason?
On the News
Only one Pastor of one church is planning to burn the book despite warnings from our government and the protests of many.
Why he's burning the books?
In remembrance of Sept.11
When our World Trade Center was destroyed and hundreds of our innocents died, not only didn't we grab, hurt, and/or kill, the Muslims already in the States, but our government allowed them to stay regardless of our protests.
Now it seems the Muslims in the States are forming little/violent looking groups because of the Quran.
Kind of hypocritical I think
The FBI says they don't condone it, but it falls under free speech.
But they will be watching him in case someone tries to harm him.
That is one odd boyscout meeting you attended.
Especially if you don't have what you need to make smores.
I wonder if Ron would think a picture of a terrorist burning the U.S. flag and a liberal burning it would be an accurate portrayal of the liberals intentions?
Does the liberal want Americans dead?
I myself am not what you would call religious in any sense of the meaning. However I do not agree with the burning of holy books. This priest, if that is what he is, is only as good as the terrorists who commit and cause the horrific scenes we see every day. He should show respect to the other religions around the world, after all how would he feel if they started burning his holy books!!
Was King James around when the Bible was written?
Acts 19:19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all [men]: and they counted the price of them, and found [it] fifty thousand [pieces] of silver.
I'm sure he's done that plenty of times.
Can't we just compromise and agree to shred the books instead on burning them? There has to be some middle ground here
It is impossible to logically anticipate the actions of the illogical mind.
Our greatest weakness is made available when we underestimate our enemy. Or fail to recognize who our true enemy is.
It is not ethical; it is neither serving humanity nor democracy. Jesus and Mary did not teach it.
Jesus didn't teach the Koran, period.
And Mary has nothing to do with any of this. Matter of fact, she has nothing to do with ANYTHING anymore, because she died long ago! Please don't confuse ALL Christianity with the Catholic catechisms.
And its not destroying humanity nor democracy.
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