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Worshipping Jesus, worshiping a false idol

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    thisisoli wrote:

    As to the new testament superseding the old testament.. All Jesus talks about is how you should worship God, not him. He even talks about worshiping false idols; if you worship Jesus rather than God you are automatically worshiping a false idol, committing the worst sin possible.

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/73223?p … ost1594423

    Paarsurrey says:

    Exactly

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If god is omnipresent , then every human is god including Jesus and thats the message he spread.God is the light permeating everything-Allah, Jevovah, Shiva ec

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        Donna Suthardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        After having reading The Course in Miracles,  I would state mohitmisra, you are correct. Not only that, but the world we live in is merely a dream world we made up! We never left God to begin with! We created this illusion of a world, because we THOUGHT we were separate from God and from each other.

        1. mohitmisra profile image61
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          True thats why the Indians and Japanese  termed this world as an illusion.
          Its actually an extension of god, gods thoughts, each is god. Like the Shamans say we co create, our thoughts materialize. Then  again its not only an extension but the basic fabric of this universe is god the Light , One.smile

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, we don't worship other humans, we show them respect or else they are idols.
        Though God is in everyone, not every one is in God.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Anyone who reads the Book of John should see that Jesus IS God, which of course debunks your entire theoretical attempt to debunk Jesus's divinity.
      Jesus is no longer just "a man", as some have pictured Him.  You fail to see that.

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        Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ____________
        The blind can't see and the deaf can't hear.
        He spoke in parables so those not of God would not understand.

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      SEEKER OF TRUTH57posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Would you please state what religious belief you are ?

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      Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      According to who? You don't even know God and Jesus is the "Son of God" One day you will come face to face with God then we will see what you spew out of your vile mouth.

  2. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    Could even say if one worships anything that is not in one's present reality, it is idol worship.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Moses believed:

    [4] Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. [5] Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength.
    http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=5& … &f=s#x

    Jesus believed:

    [37] Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38]

    http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47 … &f=s#x

    So worshipping Jesus is worshipping a false idol

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      _____________________
      I agree with you Paarsurrey.

      Yahshua never spoke of himself. He spoke the words God gave him

      Deuteronomy 18:15
      I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

      Yahshua said he was not speaking of himself

      John 14:10
      Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

      But we can't make the blind see.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks and I appreciate.

        Regards

  4. superwags profile image81
    superwagsposted 6 years ago

    Aren't you fed up of these threads yet Paar - not rather discuss something a bit more light hearted for once?

    Have a beer and chill out.

  5. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "So worshipping Jesus is worshipping a false idol"
    I would say the authority for your life, as Jesus or anything else in not yourself. If not yourself who are you?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Please elaborate it for me; I don't get you.

  6. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    'as Jesus or anything else in not yourself.'
    Should be: as Jesus or anything else [is] not yourself. I need an editor. Means that
    for myself I decide everything. I don't do as Jesus does. 'Cause then Jesus decides and not me.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You mean Jesus is not your role model?

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    just_curiousposted 6 years ago

    Paar. I'll be honest with you. If you compare the average Christian to the average Muslim, it appears to me Mohamed is worshiped on a much higher scale. Christians are capable of laughing at jokes about Jesus. They take no offense at his presence in a cartoon. They like to see respect for him, but they put it in perspective. Compare that to the reaction within Islam to any mention, or depiction of your prophet.

    Who is worshiped more?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Humans should not be worshipped; Krishna, Buddha, Zoraster, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad etc; all were human beings; none should be worshipped, except the Creator-God.

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        Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        how about instead we all worship each other?

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't get you, please elaborate for me.

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            Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            we are each divine and amazing in our own right. The heart of worship and praise is sending positive energy to the target. So by worshiping each other we celebrate and strengthen our divine light.

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I don't agree with you; Buddha never said that every human being is divine.

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                Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I've read your posts. you believe in a grand creator. Is there anyway even one of his creations could not be divine?

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                  Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No creation can be divine.

                  Divine means without limits. We are all limited.

                  Yahshua (Jesus) said I can do nothing of myself. He needed God.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Well said

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                    mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Divine means like god and Jesus said "I tell ye are all gods. "" Children of the most high"

                    Yahshua (Jesus) said I can do nothing of myself. He needed God- this is true even the enlightened ones are limited and work for God,they are puppets in Gods hands.
                    Even the Prophet Muhammad would propheciese but once he didn't say -by the will of god and his prophecy didnt materialize and he later said I should have said by the will of god .

                    This is why Islam doesn't even equate the prophets with god yet at the same time it says" Unto Allah is your return and he is able to do all things"

                    Mans home or source is god,Allah, Jevovah ,Brahma and on death he fuses with, becomes God.


                    "God has become man, man will become God again" Swami Vivekananda.

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                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Beautiful Jefacity smile

      2. Donna Suthard profile image80
        Donna Suthardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        paarsurrey.  I agree with you that only God should be worshipped. Jesus states, That God is within all of us.  Teachers like Jesus, Yogananada, Krishna,  were human like us. They became Master teachers, because they became perfected in their daily lives. They were our brothers. They learned to meditate, after they received Enlightenment, they taught unconditional love. Their message was only Love, Compassion and Peace. We are not to idolize anyone here on this earth. We are find our happiness, and our God within ourselves throught prayer, forgiveness and meditation

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "You mean Jesus is not your role model?" Nope. I am my own role model. If I only did what I was told, what could I learn? The difference between playing a part in a play, and actually doing the thing in real life.

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Is it not wrong and depicts ignorance?

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        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What is ignorance?
        Bleating about your version of your god by creating endless and mindless threads contributes nothing.
        I see you are still ignoring anything that challenges your beliefs without examining anything that you don't already believe is pretty ignorant I reckon.

        You ask for information many times but never read it.

        Did you get around to reading Krauss or seeing his videos yet?
        Didn't think so.......

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      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Doing what you are told is not always only for learning it is for experience.
      I can be told what strawberry icecream is like but until i taste it i will never know.
      experience.
      We are told what to do and how to live but for the reason of experience. Experience is the best teacher.

      1. Beelzedad profile image60
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Funny how you don't use or practice that logic when it comes to religion.

        If there were a Baskin Robbins of religions, you would never know the experience of religions because you would never choose any flavor other than Strawberry. smile

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          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          the proof is in the pudding
          after having tried many flavors the best one is always picked
          is it not?
          thankyou for your input
          have a wonderful day

          1. Beelzedad profile image60
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That's the point entirely, you haven't tried all the flavors, hence cannot claim you have chosen "the best one".

            You tried "strawberry", now and again tossing some chopped nuts or sprinkles or chocolate coating on top, but you always ate only strawberry. smile

            1. mohitmisra profile image61
              mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You keep saying logic, isnt it logical that an intelligent design have an intelligent creator?

              I agree with brotheryochanan- you lack the experience which will give you the knowledge.

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes it is a lot more reasonable than an intelligent design coming into existence from nothing; very un-natural from the atheists.

                Further scinece has not proved that the Creator-God does not exist.

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                  paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sure. Why not. We can also speculate that an intelligent design was not necessarily designed from intelligence, but only appears to be. And, we can also speculate that what appears to be designed intelligently was not so intelligent a design after all.

                Plenty of alternatives to your question.



                That's nice, I'm so glad you both share an agreement. That will help when you begin discussing the rest of your beliefs with each other and find you vehemently don't agree. smile

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  lol there ya go, real truth, right there! lol

                2. mohitmisra profile image61
                  mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  We can also speculate that an intelligent design was not necessarily designed from intelligence, but only appears to be.

                  Appear to be?  thats the proof of intelligence.


                  And, we can also speculate that what appears to be designed intelligently was not so intelligent a design after all.

                  First we need to know the ingredients before assembling anything. As humans we have no idea what is on our planet forget this cosmos.

                  The point I am making is please realize even the believer is using logic to come to his conclusions. So you cannot say its illogical and nonsense.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree with you.

                  2. Beelzedad profile image60
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No, that is usually the evidence of evolution.



                    That entire piece of your post is illogical and nonsense. smile

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              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              oh well
              have a nice day

              1. Beelzedad profile image60
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It is interesting how you dismiss the discussion when your beliefs and your reasoning clash and fail miserably. lol.

  9. knolyourself profile image60
    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "how about instead we all worship each other?" Think that is the way of Buddhism.
    We are all divine beings. "Spirits in a material world."

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Buddha never said that all human beings are divine. Please quote from him.

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    knolyourselfposted 6 years ago

    "Buddha never said" so what. Jesus or Mohamed never said ......so what.

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    That could mean ignorance; they did speak.Didn't they?

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    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    Okay what about this...
    We know that God has visited this planet before in human shapes.
    -Melchizedek, the fourth man in the firey furnace with daniel, one of the three angels that sat at meat with Lot before sodom and gomorrah died... etc.
    -Jesus IS God, wrapped in flesh.
    -When Jesus rose from the dead He kept his fleshly body
    -He said to Didymus, who is 'doubting' Thomas, to stick his fingers in his wrists and side (the holes where he was pierced)
    -Jesus ascended to heaven prior to pentecost (acts 2) 50 days after passover (sacrifice of the passover lamb = Jesus)

    Now that Jesus is in heaven, Gods throne room or the focal point of God, where Gods presence is concentrated (for lack of better terminology); are we thinking that Jesus is sitting in a comfy chair on the right hand of God or are we thinking that along with Gods others fleshly or bodily usages he just doffed the husk (as he did before) and the God in Jesus melded with God again, where He came from in the first place.
    Jesus work was done on the cross.. by his stripes we ARE healed, he WAS bruised for our iniquities. On the cross Jesus said, "it is finished". Paul said, "now when he was done (Jesus) he went and sat on the right of God"... a place of power not a literal right side of God... not that God has hands... its a jewish idiom.

    So i am saying that since there is ONE God and none other beside Him...(isaiah 45) that another name for God is Jesus, just like jehovah, or el shaddai or any of the other names of God.. Jesus melded with the father, from whence jesus came.. until the next time God needs to be on earth as jesus (as king).. he will fully occupy the husk of Jesus, manifest the vessel identical to Jesus' first appearance, i am assuming with nail holes and spear hole and come back but until then, Jesus and God are merged into one being and God has another name.

    Its a hard and different concept to grasp. But the two have become one as the one became two. This keeps with the many many times that God says, there is only one God and i am He.
    If Jesus is God wrapped in flesh, is it so hard to understand that the two are now one, until the king must return to earth again.
    enjoy

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus never said in a straightforward manner that he was the Creator-God; it is the non-believing gospel writers who projected Jesus wrongly. He said the he was in the image of the Creator-God; which every prophet messenger is by default; in the image of God means being a role model for the people.

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        aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "non-believing Gospel writers"?
        You are so ridiculous. You have no idea what you are saying.

        I don't know why I bother....sad sad sad

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          Gospel writers called scribes ran away when Jesus was crying in agony on the Cross; what need they had to run; at the most they could be killed. If they believed Jesus was a god and was going to resurrect from the dead, then Jesus could have resurrected them from the dead also; they need not to run from the scene. They were not believers in Jesus.

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            aka-djposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You need to read the Bible, paar.
            All you are telling me is your fairy tale version!
            You have NO evidence for your claims. NOT ONE.
            (by evidence, I mean historical, written accounts)

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            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There were no mass murders happening during the 6hrs on the cross. The people standing around were both christians and romans. Why would anybody run during this time? except to get away from the sounds of remorse and anger. When the bodies were taken down the people dispersed as at other times.

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          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well for once, I'm with Parra on this one.

          All four gospels are anonymous texts. The familiar attributions of the Gospels to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John come from the mid-second century and later and we have no good historical reason to accept these attributions.

          -Steve Mason, professor of classics, history and religious studies at York University in Toronto (Bible Review, Feb. 2000, p. 36)



          The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel.

          -Bishop John Shelby Spong

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            Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Seeing as much of the Church's doctrine simply contradicts the bible then it seems to me that the Church did not make them up. Had the Church written them to suit its own ends, then one would be ablle to support its beliefs from the bible. If it was all written by man, then one would expect considerably more contradiction than the Muslims and atheists would are oft to try to point out.

            Therefore the source of the text is elsewhere. It's just too well put together to be derived by committee. So although historically texts cannot always be attributed to the authors we've traditionally been taught, I am inclind to believe God inspired.

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              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There is your claim for belief, then. Can you substantiate the claim by comparing what you believe is inspired by god with any other doctrines, stories or whatever, that you don't believe were inspired by a god?

              And, can it be shown that there are indeed books that are not considered inspired by a god but are indeed "derived by a committee or attributed to the authors" yet are far more credible and valid than the doctrines you believe?

              smile

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              paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              We know for sure that Bible is not written or authored by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; it is not evern authored or written or dictated by Jesus or anybody legitimately authorised by Jesus. Jesus was at that time in India where he died and is buried there.

              It is not authored or inspired by the Creator-God or by Jesus; it is inspired by cunning Paul, and the sinful scribes and misleading Church followed Paul.

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              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              i'm with you on this one.
              when the words of God are not in the people then they just don't know.
              When people don't believe they just don't believe
              nothing to do but go to where, as the bible puts it, is fertile ground.
              Since it is of Gods spirit to change people the only option is to pray for the unknown sinners.

  13. jay_kumar_07 profile image60
    jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago

    GOD forgive and accept the people those who are worship idol in the name of GOD - IN BIBLE.

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      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You sound like lot's of fun! lol lol lol

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        jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        More fun around us.

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        jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Fun for gallery people.
        Effort  for stage people.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure that means something, I just don't know what that something is. smile

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            jay_kumar_07posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Something in effort.

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              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I still have no idea what you are saying or why you are saying it. smile

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    Suncoast2.0posted 6 years ago

    Why has everyone agreed to count the years from Jesus Christ onwards?
    Why has everyone come to count the years from Jesus onwards if a great deal of people don`t share this religion. Why is this Jesus event so special that everyone had decided to record time from him onwards?

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hundreds of years of killing people who did not follow the religion may have had something to do with it.
      I'm glad they are no longer allowed to kill non believers.

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        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        that darn catholic religion.
        I sure am glad i missed that flavor of ice cream.

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          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yep! The catholics were great at killing those who did not follow their ways. smile

          Between the crusades and the inquisition they probably killed more than most other religions put together.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Any Catholic here to confirm it.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Except for islam, which tops the bill. smile

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              dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That is True Paar, Earnest is accurate here

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Very sad.

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                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes very sad, so is the elephant in the room you chose to overlook..... again.

                  "Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died  over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school."

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    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed. The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great's army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died  over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school."

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Earlier, you stated the following:

      "Between the crusades and the inquisition they probably killed more than most other religions put together."

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly!
        The word "almost" is the operative here.
        You have been deliberately obtuse as usual.

        Why don't you refute the claim I made, or stop making your ridiculous claims that Islam is peaceful.

        Don't you ever see TV?

  16. aka-dj profile image80
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    I was put off by the title, but upon reflection on it, it actually makes sense (kinda hmm )

    Using the principle of a double negative, an idol is a false god. So, if Jesus were a false, false god, that would actually make Him the REAL DEAL.

    I LIKE IT. lol lol big_smile

    Thanks Paar. lol

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    Kiriuposted 6 years ago

    Superwags
    I have masters in thermodynamics so better listen to what I say!

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Moses believed:

    [4] Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. [5] Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole strength.
    http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=5& … &f=s#x

    Jesus believed:

    [37] Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38]

    http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47 … &f=s#x

    So worshipping Jesus is worshipping a false idol

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting post paar. I suppose, by that, you would also agree that the worship of a mohamed is wrong. Whatever shall we do about that?

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Muslims worship only the Creator-God Allah YHWH; Muhammad is never worshipped by the Muslims; he is a messenger prophet of the Creator-God of the highest status among the prophets messengers.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You might share that thought at the next riot over a perceived insult. It might help.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't get you.

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Join the club. smile

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    Kiriuposted 6 years ago

    Einstein's head
    don't atheist realy beleive what they beleive they don't beleive?

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    Kiriuposted 6 years ago

    Deborah, paarsurey
    Jesus said, 'before Abraham was born, I Am. God said to moses, I Am is my name.

    The I actually Am God!

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I is a pronoun used by everybody in English language.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ______________________
      This is long but please read and think about it.

      Deuteronomy 18:18
      18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,  and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

      He always spoke of God, never himself.
      John 14:10
      Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?  THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF,but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works


      He did the same thing with Moses and Aaron:
      Exodus 4

      10. And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since you have spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
      11. And the LORD said unto him, Who has made man's mouth? or who makes the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
      12. Now therefore go,  and I will be with thy mouth, and teach you what you shalt say.
      13. And he said, O my LORD, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom you wilt send.
      15. And you shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.16. And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God.

      John 8
      47. He that is of God hears God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
      50. And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeks and judges.
      51.Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
      52…..Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. .
      54. Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; .of whom ye say, that he is your God:
      55. Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you:  but I know him, and keep his saying..
      56.  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad..57.Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
      58. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was I am.

      God showed Abraham the one that would be the Messiah.
      For a long time God had planned to raise up the Messiah
      By faith Abraham knew the Messiah before he appeared.


      John 8:58
      Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was I am.

      What he meant
      The Hebrew scriptures there is not a comma. Since Yahshua spoke the words God Gave Him, he wasn't speaking of himself.   He was speaking of the "I Am"

        The word "AM" is a present tense.If he was talking about himself being here before Abraham, he would use past tense, were was

      The correct translation is
      I will be what I will be.
      "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be),"

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    Kiriuposted 6 years ago

    Paarsurrey
    And everybody Am He
    'In the beginning was word and the word was with God and the word was (whether you like it or not) GOD'.

    'For to us a child is born, the gorvenment is on his shoulder. He will be called wonderfull Counsellor, (whether you like it or not) MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.'

    'Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East, and have come to (whether you like it or not) WORSHIP HIM.'

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      These sentences are made-up by the scribes to confuse the sheep by writing meaningless words. Jesus was a straighforward man; from whom he should have feared not to mention his name.

      Why should one want to put words into the mouth of Jesus?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Where is name Jesus mentioned in the quotes; it is not there.

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        Uirikposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Go on reading a few verses down in each and you will find the name Jesus!

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    Kiriuposted 6 years ago

    Paarsurrey
    let me ask you a question; from which book do you read about Jesus?

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      From Quran and Bible; Quran corrects the accounts of Jesus life given in Bible with rational reason, which Bible does not.

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        Uirikposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So it was Deborah whom i should have addresed. I thought you were a bible beleiver
        kiriu

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    Uirikposted 6 years ago

    Deborah
    thanks for that at long answer. Jesus indead talked about the Father but was it always? In the gospel of John, what populates it is the words I Am. I am the vine, I and the father is one, come to me,  he who has seen me has seen the Father, when I be lifted up will draw all men to me  I am the way the truth and the life I am the Alpha and Omega etc you are correct however in saing he never said directly; I am God but indead he talked about himself and in ways many people feer to talk about themselves. It was his way of speaking of himself that triggerd hatred from Jews. They said he made himself equal to God and he spock as one with authority like no one else have ever spocken.

    kiriu

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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      We discussed this in another thread. read my answer here
      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/73525?p … ost1600509

      Also when God gave Eve to Adam-he said the two shall be one.
      Not the same person, just united.

      The bible is full of allegories, metaphors, euphemisms, parables, etc.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you
        Religion covers all faculties needed for guidance in the human life ; it uses all form of poetry allegories, metaphors, euphemisms, parables, etc. It is not a text book of science; though it does not prohibit science.

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          Uirikposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It was a quaranist who taught me about God without quoting any book in what amounted to a whole book. It was very enjoyable lesson. I am yet to find a biblist who can drop bible for a moment and tell you about God right from his head.

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            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            True, but there are a large number of ex believers who know both the bible and quoran very well indeed, and have little trouble remembering both. smile

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          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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      He always spoke of God, never himself.

      John 14:10
      Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?  THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF,but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works

      The people around, as you, thought he was speaking of himself.

      He never spoke of himself

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
 
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