I will no linger be publishing my poetry challenges on HubPages.

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PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years ago
For the second time my poetry challenges have been flagged for content violations. I do not know why people are offended by something i tried to create to help fellow poets on HubPages, but HubPages has made it clear that my challenges are not appreciated. I will be posting my future challenges on RedGage, and I hope the poets from HubPages will still participate even though it means taking an extra step. I apologize to anyone I have offended with my challenges, and I hope that you will all be able to enjoy this site now that i am complying.
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  writer20posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's a great shame that someone did this to you. When you post a poem to RedGage maybe you can send a link to those who still appreciate your hard work, Joyce.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not quite sure how I will do this, but if i can find a way i will.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Joyce, I may be reading too much into your post - but I just want to clarify that Phillydreamer's challenge wasn't flagged, it was moderated.
  
  Individual Hubbers can flag a forum post or a Hub if they're concerned it breaks the rules somehow. But that has absolutely no effect, unless a HubPages moderator decides their concern is justified.
  
  We will never know whether Phillydreamer's challenge was brought to the moderator's attention by a Hubber, or whether the moderators spotted it themselves, or whether it was picked up by an automated filter (of which there are many on HubPages).
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My content was moderated because another user flagged it. When I went to publish there were no warnings from HubPages that said I shouldn't.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know that? I've never seen a notice from a moderator where they've revealed that, would be curious to know if it's a new feature.
  
  There may not be, because not all filters are applied before it's published.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's the message I received from HubPages. I don't know if it's a new feature or not.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So they actually said something like "a Hubber flagged your Hub and as a result, we have unpublished it"?
  
  That would definitely be a new feature. Seems silly to even mention it really, since the flagging would've had no effect, if your Hub wasn't against HubPages rules somehow in the first place.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know why it was moderated? I doubt HubPages has a problem with a poetry challenge, but I'm wondering if you just went about it the wrong way.
  
  For instance, if you published a Hub which had no content other than an invitation to submit poetry, it could be too short - or at least short on meaningful content.
  
  If it was a poetry Hub but you published it in another category (like HubPages), then it would be unpublished for being in a misleading category.
  
  The best way to launch a poetry challenge is to start a thread in the forums, not in a Hub.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I will just issue my challenges on another site. I feel it was unfairly treated, and I will not post content that is not appreciated.
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  DragonflyTreasureposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm so sorry this has happened. I don't understand this at all. There should be some way to get answers.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Dragonfly, I'm pretty sure Phillydreamer was not unfairly treated at all. What happened was he issued his challenge in a way that broke HubPages rules - and because he doesn't understand the rules, he thinks he's being picked on.
  
  I was hoping he would give us more information on how he did it (e.g. what was in the Hub etc) and what HubPages actually said, so we can clarify it for him. It's very likely a poetry challenge would be welcome on HP, if he did it the right way.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa I like how you are in the know of what happened. Stop making assumptions otherwise I'll have to assume you are trying to slander me.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa is trying to help you. If you can tell us the warning message you received when your hub/s were unpublished (it'll be in the black box on the hubs themselves, or via email), we may be able to help.
  
  Making blanket statements about mistreatment won't really prove anything. If you're willing to let us, we may be able to help you solve the issue or at least help you understand what the issue was.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not assuming anything, I'm guessing based on my five years' experience as a Hubber - which makes it a reasonably educated guess.
  
  My bad for not doing the obvious thing and taking a look at your other Hubs, though. I didn't realize you had other Challenge Hubs still published. Rebekah was smarter and her suggestion about duplicate content may be correct.
  
  I see one other possibility. The Poetry section of HubPages is a place to publish poems. Your Challenge Hubs do not contain any poems. I'm thinking some over-eager moderator has decided that means they're in the wrong category.
  
  There's an easy fix: include one short poem of your own in each Challenge. Also, consider placing the guidelines in one Hub, and provide a link to that Hub for people who are new to the Challenge. That will fix any duplicate content problems.
  
  I do hope you will continue the Challenge program - I'm not a poet, but it looks great.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What a lucky guy you are.... so many here attempting to help you through an issue that perhaps can only be resolved by climbing down from your tree, to enable you to view the forest more clearly, without seeing it from a singular and potentially wrong perspective!
  
  You're a poet... therefore use your emotion creatively and positively - instead of 'challenging' those who have Genuinely tried to help you, by pointing out the parts of the forest, that your perspective appears to be shortchanging you on!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe these responses are an attempt to help. I have tried to carve my niche out on this site without doing the same things others do, but of course something different is always greeted with hostility.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are not the first person to do a poetry challenge on HubPages. Several people have done them in the past.
  
  You got good advice here, I would take it. It's the same with everything, if it's not your own site you are limited in what you can do. The only hostility I see here is coming from you.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It is not your site either, and the fact that you said others have done challenges only strengthens my argument. Why pick on my challenges? In case you haven't noticed, no one is giving me advice they are all just pointing a finger of shame, and I don't back down when I feel as though I'm right.
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I, nor Marisa, have pointed any fingers of shame. We're just trying to help by sharing advice. I love poetry on the site and applaud HP for allowing it. I've never seen a challenge done through hubs. If you want to continue them, it might be a good idea to double check with HP about placing links in comments. As Marisa pointed out, adding more content to the challenge hubs may be helpful, such as a sample poem.
  As stated before, duplicate content will be flagged.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  As someone said...if you keep repeating the same introduction in every hub it will be flagged.
  
  But, regardless... it is up to the site to accept what they accept. None of us can change that.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I suggest you read my challenges before you start inferring anything. It is very apparent you have not read them, because your are stating inaccurate facts. How about this, instead of finding reasons to try and justify why my work doesn't belong on here, how about you try to see my side in this situation. Every hubber should know HubPages sends out warnings if your Hub is going to violate its policies. When i went to publish I read no such warnings. To me, this is using the rules in a way to attack my content, and that is why I am upset.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Not true.
  
  You will get warnings about SOME violations - the ones that can be picked up by automated filters. There are several other violations which can only be picked up by a human moderator. Human moderators don't check every Hub.
  
  In this case, if your link had been to a poetry site, it wouldn't have been a problem, even if it was on every Hub. But podcasting isn't directly relevant to poetry, so it's a "non-related" link advertising a product, and that makes it overly promotional - but it's something the automated filters can't identify.
  
  Because it's something that's picked up randomly by human moderators, you may well find your other Challenge Hubs being unpublished as well, if they're the same. The moderators just haven't noticed them yet.
  
  If you'd told me about the "overly promotional" message right at the beginning of this thread, we could have cleared up the whole thing right away.
  
  By the way, you're far from alone in assuming Google images are OK to use. It's just part of the learning curve when you write online.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  She is questioning the assumptions *you* are making. And the fact that you leap to seeing her comments as "slander" makes me suspect she is right to do so.
  
  Generally you get moderated for simple reasons that are easily fixed. Perhaps you could post the whole message relating to the moderation and we could help you figure out how to do that.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  All that was said was my content was over promotional. I messaged HubPages about it, but I got no response.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Okay them. I am 99% certain it is the link I mentioned. If it is not crucial remove it. If you really want to keep it integrate it into the text better. Then you will have no problem.
  
  Hubstaff can take their time with follow up emails but in the forums we see these issues many many times and can normally pinpoint the issue.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa is 100% correct, but Philly do what you like, just be advised that if you violate a web location such as hubpages, and then announce the fact for the entire web to see, well your putting your online career in jeopardy bro.
  
  This isn't wise at all to do so, too air it all out in such a way, even if you thing that you started this forum to inform all those who may have chose to join in on your poetry challenge.
  
  This is the web, Billions of users surface it, and as soon as anything a author of web content decides to press that infamous submit button, its a done deal, and especially here on hubpages where we are broadcasting live at all times to Millions of viewers. Just be careful bro, there's experts, there's all sorts of people watching us, and then there's Google!
  
  Once Google deems your content as unacceptable, well then you can call it lights out from there bro.
  
  Good luck though on what ever endeavors you choose to pursue here on the web, just be careful not to air out your issues such as this on live forums at that. It isn't wise at all. I can only wish you much success in life as a whole as well Philly. Peace!
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Typo up above correction: Thing -> Think
  My bad on the typo
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  Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  CE, when you are reading a forum thread in Chronological View, you will see an Edit button just below your post, and so you don't have to submit a separate post to make corrections. The Edit function has only a limited active life of an hour or so. But at least it's longer than on Hub comments and Q&A's.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  One thing writers appreciate is creative freedom. I'm fighting for my creative rights, and I will state it again "My hub was not in violation of a policy. The rules were stretched to attack my work point blank. If you can't understand that, please don't reply again.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But... you can't have complete freedom on a site you don't own.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are a contractor providing content. There are rules. Until you work out exactly which one you broke this conversation is just going to go in circles.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My content was within the rules as dictated in the policies. The so called violation seems to be some kind of unwritten rule. How am I supposed to write according to the rules if the rules aren't written?
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So what rule did they *say* you had broken within hub and in the notification email. Because I suspect you just haven't detected that it was in fact a written rule you were out of compliance with.
  
  Looking at some of your other challenges I see they are great hubs but they break several rules. For example you sometimes have off topic outgoing links, and you often use illustrations without permission.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, no dice. The links are related to the topic of poetry, but feel free to keep digging if that makes you feel better.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Links on how to run a online radio station are not about poetry, and google is not an acceptable source of images.
  
  But all we really need to know is what reason they gave--to see if it is accurate or not.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The link was in case other poets wanted to start their own shows, but i can see how that could be considered a violation. That however was not forbidden as it was only one link.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Dice, I didn't want to point this fact out Psyche to him, but he thinks we are attacking his work now, and so oh well, it is what he perceives it to be in terms of this forum he's created here.
  
  Live and learn is my motto, but oh well what can you do right!
  I say again Good Luck Budd, you still seem like a cool dude Philly just lighten up a bit, and let it flow if folks are truly trying to help ya! I'm off to do something much more positive, like try and help others who accept positive feedback, and of constructive criticism.
  
  Peace out folks!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In the terms the definition of over promotional that I saw was excessive links in a Hub to one site. This violation is avoidable, because a warning pops up if you put too many links. When I first went to publish they gave me that warning because I attempted to link a whole phrase. I guess each word was considered a separate link, so I linked the words Random Madness. The warning disappeared.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Oh wow... Now I understand..... is THAT ALL ???
  
  Yes, yes that is a really common thing that gets done to suitable candidates each month! Sometimes they take your accolade badges away, because they don't like your eyebrowse!
  
  You're lucky you didn't have to foot the bill for our Christmas party last year!
  
  Hell some of us have even been banned here, just because we write poetry and we have appeared on webcams wearing plaid shirts!
  
  Your problems are easily fixed.. but HP might need to apply a long weight principle to help you resolve it!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Now it seems like you are getting personal Pearldiver. I have not attacked you in anyway, but you continue to attack me.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Well you don't seem to understand Kiwis mate...
  When you look as funny as we do.. you have to have a sense of humor!
  Believe me, if I was to attack someone, it would not be with a smile on my face!
  You've had good advice... but now you need to chill and approach your issues in a different manner because from our side of the screen... it looks like you are attacking us!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I am not attacking anyone, but i will not let people say I violated content rules, when i did not.
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  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Philly, I took a look at a few of your poetry challenge hubs. While I think it's an exciting idea, I saw a few reasons why I believe the hubs were flagged. In a few of your poetry challenge hubs, you have a section of duplicate content where you are giving the guidelines for the challenge. Duplicate content is a violation on HP and will be flagged or caught in the filters.
  
  Secondly, within those guidelines, you are asking viewers to place links in your comment section. I'm not sure this is a violation stated in Terms of Use, but generally hubs shouldn't be asking for links left in the comments.
  
  Perhaps a challenge of this kind would do better on a separate blog, or website. I think it's a great concept, and you have some very well written poetry hubs here, but I would keep the challenge offsite and you can use your own website, blog to post links to relevant poetry hubs on your HP account.
  
  It has nothing to do with HP not appreciating your hubs. A few of them are simply in violation of HP guidelines.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  There are no guidelines against asking for links of other Hubbers to be posted in the comment section. As far as my guidelines, i try my best to reword them and its only a small portion of the HUB. I have done my best to comply within the guidelines. I even took time to read them before I started these challenges.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Philly there are guidelines asking fellow hubbers to drop a link into the comment areas, I just read it as well. You need to be real bro, and admit to making errors, and or mistakes since you opened up this can of worms here on hubpages by creating this sort of ranting forum here.
  
  Can I ask you a question, did you contact hubpages about this hub violation, and why is it that you felt the need to create this sort of forum for in the first place, if you don't accept feedback when people are in fact trying to help you here.
  
  You have violated hubpages terms of use, I second the motion as for what I seen in two of your poetry challenge hubs thus far. None of us here are fools, and I'm sure your not either bro, please be real with us and with yourself. I await your response and answer if you have a suitable one, but if not its all good.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Read up in great detail the Terms of use, there are a few things I located on it where your hubs may have surely violated such terms. This may very well the reason, please do so ok. The other poetry challenge hubs you've wrote may also be in jeopardy Philly.
  
  Look up "RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS ON USE"
  http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement
  
  - Link to pages or sites that are unrelated to the topic and content of Your Hub.
  
  - use Your Hubs as signpost to a website outside of the Service.
  
  I hope this info up above can help you understand that, there are verifiable reasons why people may 'flag' your hub or hubs for moderation purposes, all you may have need to do is correct the issues, but not everyone knows what they're doing wrong or right here on hubpages, and due to the fact that they may have not read the terms of use, or researched enough into what is considered to be unacceptable conduct here.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Good Luck bro, just research at a great length before doing any more publishing of content anywhere for that matter, because your web rep is also at stake, once things like this get notified, by online administrators and all.
  If you fix it, problem solves, and if you learn to create your content that agrees with any and all of the given terms of every web location you choose to publish at, you won't have any issues again.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've read them and I was not in violation. The terms say you are not allowed to post links in a comment section that do no relate to the Hub. As this was a poetry challenge all links posted in the Hub were related to the topic. There is no specific language stating I can not ask people to post the links to their Hubs in the comment section.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have posted several challenges on this site without any problem, and yes I did contact HP about it. My questions were not answered to my satisfaction. As far as my forum goes, as I stated previously it was to inform poets my challenges are going to another site where they will be appreciated. This didn't turn into a rant till users like you started attacking me,
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Attacking you, ok I will end this before it gets any worse, you don't need help bro, i have no idea what you think your doing here, but do you. Enjoy your online life for what its worth, you take help as attacks, and that isn't wise neither. Good Luck!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I did not start this forum asking for advice or help, but somehow a few users thought it was important to flaunt their knowledge of the rules without understanding my point of view. If I felt my Hub was in violation of a policy, I would not have published it. There have been occasions where I did do something wrong, and I owned up to it, but in this case I do not feel I did anything wrong.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I feel ya bro, but keep in mind when you start something, people will take it to their own perspective view points, and to become argumentative, will bring on much of the same over time, because some folks may be looking to help only, and others may be looking to do much more.
  
  I detect that you are a genuine person, I also detect that you are open to receiving others help, as long as they don't go over board and insinuate things, which is quite understandable indeed.
  
  The thing is Phil, everything we do here, and anywhere on the web shall be heavily scrutinized today, no matter if we choose to create a forum or not, to publish material or not.
  
  You aren't the exception, neither am I, none of us for that matter, and even if we been top dog veteran Acecoon Ventura of a platform on the web with 20+ years of experience here or there. It doesn't matter bro, what matters is do we know what we've done is right, or do we fully comprehend what it is that we have done is wrong.
  
  Do we have all our I's and T's crossed etc...
  People have the right to try and step in and help you, and its a human thing bro, we all need help even when we think we don't, and Maybe if the person who chose to flag your content took the time to contact you first, then all this could have been avoided, but still if they actually did get through to you via email, well you probably would have rejected such assistance, judging by your defensive stance you took here when people had tried to make much more sense of your issues with hubpages, and the whole violation to begin with.
  
  So with that being stated Philly, before you insert anything anywhere, read all of the fine print clearly, try not to be so defensive when people try to help, and even if you didn't ask them, we are game-fully employed here to do just that, and when fellow hubber don't ask for it as well. We in this thing together as a hubpages community, and not in it just for self.
  
  Its all in how a person chooses to go about advising someone, maybe you can politely state to them, that you don't need help from that given person (Which I noticed you done once here, but other times took it as an actual attack). This shall put any and all feedback from such a source to a halt, but also keep in mind that doesn't stop others (New hubbers to the threads) from moving in, and also trying to help you on other instances since that's the way forums work in the first place.
  
  These are all mindful thoughts to ponder on, and is no way the all knowing source of info, or data as these machines may call it LOL, or perceive of it.
  
  I hope you can take a drop or micron of it to help you elsewhere Philly. Once again Good Luck!
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Just because the other challenges haven't been flagged yet, doesn't mean others will not flag it, the flag buttons are there for a reason Philly, being more open minded is a part of the game here, but suit yourself.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If the challenges are flagged then so be it. I started the challenge to help my fellow poets. I will stand by my work till the end.
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Aficionadaposted 12 years ago
Phillydreamer, it's really a shame that you have been so offended by an offer to help you.

Marisa Wright is one of the most helpful Hubbers on this site, or possibly the very most helpful. I feel confident that her questions were designed to get to the bottom of the problem so that you and others could understand what may have happened with your poetry challenges and so that you and others could either correct whatever happened or avoid the same problems in the future.
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lobobrandonposted 12 years ago
Marisa, Wrylilt, rebekah and Uninvited writer, don't even bother pursuing this thread. It's just a waste of your time as he clearly doesn't want advice.
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  Chip6posted 12 years agoin reply to this
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm do I know you? Wizzley is fine since most of the people I know here are there too and got a few new friends as well
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  Chip6posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Hubpages is now not enough for some people. So they are going to Wizzley to seek new friends.
  
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  lobobrandonposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ok this is my last reply related to the Wizzley topic. But, all I can say is HP is still amazing and I just wanted to write on other platforms too. HP is still my home - I began online writing here and I still continue to publish and modify hubs when I get the time. You just joined 5 days ago and you're talking like you know the place, so I guess you have another account and don't want to use it.
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  Chip6posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Home?
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Are we allowed to have more than one account on HP? I've been operating under the assumption we are only allowed to have one. I also have to agree HubPages is a good site, I'm just very upset about this situation.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, if they meet certain guidelines. All that information is in the FAQ.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks that information can be useful. I'm so used to writing for sites that don't allow this, i didn't even think to read up on it.
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  Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Hi PhillyDreamer. Yes, we are allowed to have more than one account on HubPages, and some very good writers here recommend doing that as a good practice, to separate a writer's work into different niches. It would be possible, as an example, for one writer to have one account full of fiction and poetry, another full of recipes, another account with marketing tips, another of how-to articles.
  
  The writer would still use the same Adsense account across all of these, since a person is allowed to have only one Adsense account. Same with Amazon, I believe.
  
  I understand that your upset feelings stem from the belief that you have been singled out in some way and have been treated unfairly. It may be hard for you to see this right now, but your situation is not completely unique - it has really happened several times. That is, someone publishes Hubs and they sit on an account for weeks or months (or even years) before anyone notices that something about them broke some kind of rule; or perhaps the rules changed, and the writer did not see the notices that were posted about it. The situation of being published before being vetted is a result of the way the filters and moderating process are set up at HubPages to try to make use of a comparatively small staff as efficiently as possible. A number of Hubbers have clamored for some changes to the process.
  
  As frustrating as it is bound to be to have your hard work flagged and moderated after it has been successful, there are some positive aspects to the time too: you've had a chance to learn a lot about publishing on HubPages, you've been able to develop a following (who may follow you now wherever you publish on the Net), you may have made some money during this time. And most of the changes I have seen suggested in this thread are not really huge - just highly aggravating, especially because at first glance it seems so unjust that you have to make the changes at all. But most of us here have to make some changes to our Hubs from time to time, even after they have worked well for a period.
  
  Good luck to you, wherever you continue with your poetry, or with other types of writing you decide to publish.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Aficionada I have read the terms several times, and I still don't see where my Hubs were in violation. That is my biggest grievance, I was writing within the rules. I do not believe we should just roll over and accept this. I have used this site for several months and I enjoyed using it up until this point, but now I feel like my work is being attacked.
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  Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I really do understand what you are saying. A big part of this whole issue is what you have said here: "I feel like my work is being attacked." That feeling makes it much harder to look at the situation objectively.
  
  There are two big things I notice here. You have written a lot of Hubs in the time you have been here. Wow, and congratulations! Second, you have not participated very much in the forums before now. I know that you may have read more than you have written (in the forums), but my first hunch is that you have put your time to much better use by writing Hubs. I wish the same could be said about me. if you had or have read much in the forums, you would maybe understand better the fact that this truly is not an attack on you or your work. And you would also understand more about the personalities of the people who are trying to help you.
  
  There is so much to absorb when we first start here, that it is relatively easy to overlook or misunderstand something important. If you are willing to take a step back and share more information about your situation, without the claims of being attacked, I think that nearly everyone who has posted here so far would be more than happy to help figure out what could be changed to help you continue here.
  
  But another highly viable option would be for you just to start another account or two here. If you do that though, it would still help you out if you would allow the more experienced Hubbers to share the benefit and insights of their years here. People really do want to help.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Lobobrandon. I'm glad you can be sensible about this. The original purpose of this thread was to inform the poets who like to participate in my challenges that I will be posting them on another site. I did not expect I would have to defend my work, but if I have to I will.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I have finally realized that.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
Your October 1st unpublished hub has this text, with link.

"Create a Professional Podcast and Reach Millions. Free for 30 days. Start now."

Remove that and I suspect it will show this whole drama is for nothing. Promoting a podcast service is off topic.

I am betting the reason given for the unpublishing (which you either don't know or won;t share?) is either off topic link or overly promotional.

Even one off topic link is a problem, especially if you post it in multiple hubs. But as it is a human review issue it will get through some times and not others. Putting text explaining why the link is there might help. Like: 'want to share you challenge poetry in a podcast--learn how here'. As is, it just looks like an ad.
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If a Hubpages Admin enters this thread, and says much of the same we all have here, do you think he would accuse them of attacking him Psycheskinner? I wonder, and its just a pondering thought you know, some people haven't a clue what is right from what is wrong, and so it could also be a reason for his misunderstanding, if it is in fact such, but who know in his case what he's thinking.
  
  I know a hub violation when I see it too, good catch by the way, and good point you've just made, I seen that too, but refrained from posting it as well I figured the terms of service link I posted for him, would be enough. Go figure!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I would love for a representative of HubPages to shed some light on the situation.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  In the Hub in question. I did remove that part and attempted to republish, but still it was not good enough. Also the Hub in question is inviting people to come and recite their Hubs on my show. The show is on Blog Talk Radio so the relevance is there. I deleted the Hub altogether, because I feel its not worth arguing over. As I stated before my Hubs will be posted on another site, and to the people who care feel free to post your HubPages links on that site.
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  Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Even so, it helps to be aware of procedures and timetables.
  
  Sometimes filters catch something well after the time when they first appear. Or someone flags a Hub for review much later than its first appearance.
  
  A human moderator may initially agree with the filter or with the flag, but when there is a discussion about it, they may change their mind.
  
  A discussion may take several days or a week. The moderators are very, very busy, and they may not get to every issue as quickly as we would like. They have thousands of Hubbers and Hubs to deal with. They are probably working as fast as possible.
  
  Pressuring or pestering moderators for an answer could very well backfire. Sometimes Hubbers have been banned from the site because of sending too many e-mails trying to get a Hub republished. This has usually happened when one very small error has been corrected, and then the Hub has been resubmitted without success (and then the process has been repeated over and over and over on the same hub).
  
  Patience is usually the best strategy. - - - I don't mean to indicate that you have been pestering the moderators; I just want to caution you that it is not a good thing to try. It's best to find all the possible errors and correct them before resubmitting. And it's best to be more patient than any one person ever wants to be.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I've sent my complaint, and i am waiting for an answer. The statements I am making on here are directed at the users who presume my work was in violation.
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  Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds good! I hope you get some helpful clarification. I know that over the years there have been other complaints in forums to the effect that the communication from moderators about errors is often not as helpful as one would wish. And that's when the experience of other Hubbers can be sooooooo helpful.
  
  About these "users who presume my work was in violation" . . . . Many of them have seen similar situations before, when a Hubber, even a very experienced and knowledgeable one, has "broken" some rule without realizing it. They (we) have also seen a few situations when the moderators have made a mistake. The Hubbers' mistakes have - as far as I can tell - outnumbered the moderators' mistakes that we know about. That is why there is an underlying assumption here that there is probably something that you have done without intending to, and without realizing it, that has broken some rule.
  
  But from what I have seen here, a lot of the Hubbers have been trying to get information from you so that they could help analyze it and help determine whether there is an actual violation. It's not really an attack on you, no matter how much it may feel like one to you. It's really an attempt to help get to the bottom of the situation, and even to speed up that long process that I mentioned earlier.
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
The text on the link makes it look like a promotion with no connection to the hub.That was how it looked to me and probably to the moderator.

If removing that did not work I am out of ideas. Maybe that hub is just too bogged down now. I would still bet that new challenge hubs sans that link would go through.

Although you should also move to using copyright free images. Links to copyrighted images on google might also possibly cause issues.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I use images I find on Google Images. If there is a problem with an image I'm using I just remove it and use another. If I know who the image is from i give full credit for it. That's a different problem all together.
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  thooghunposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Using Google images as a source without knowing whether it is licensed or not is a clear-cut DMCA violation and is against the rules. It is up to you to know whether you can use an image, not the rightful owner to have to hunt you down.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If my content was flagged for this issue i would just yank the image. Thats not really a big deal to me. i have plenty of friends who would allow me to use their work as long as i gave them credit for it. I have also seen many hubbers use Google Images as a source without any problem.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed. You can't use any non-public domain text or image without permission. That's just a matter of showing respect for a fellow creative professional. If you have work you can use with permission, just use it. It will save you more 'unpublishing' drama.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What's public domain?
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Wikimedia commons, morguefile, and stock exchange (amongst others) have pictures anyone can use. The same is true for most images made before 1923, or made by a government worker. These are free to use a.k.a. "in the public domain".
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  'Flickr Creative Commons' is another great place to locate usable images as well, Just don't forget to provide a link back to them (Link Attribution)
  Cool tip Psyche
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  CloudExplorerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The Creative commons locations require site Attribution or Link back via the 'Image Capsule'
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So if I find pictures from these sites it's okay to use them? i was not aware Google Images was not allowed as a source. I just went with the crowd on that one, because it's nice to have pics.
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  Pearldiverposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That's also why Google has 'Report Images' on every cache of images within the SEs = ie... report the theft of ! Not a good idea to 'borrow' from such sources mate.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thank goodness I started using my shows logo on my challenges. As much as I like a picture that tells a story. I actually prefer people read my work.
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  WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I guess no one sees the statement "Images may be subject to copyright" which displays on EVERY photo click through!
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Actually no. LOL! Where is it?
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psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago
Indeed. Google images is just all images on a website, shown in a search engine. No different to text you find through Google.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I'll keep that in mind for future reference, but i still don't agree with my work being considered over promotional. Its upsetting, because I have been telling many poets that HubPages is a good place to write, but now I feel like I have lied to them, because they aren't being fair with the rules.
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  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The way I see it is the rules are categories, which due to the immense amount of content they apply to, are a bit arbitrary at the margins. Personally, I can live with that. It is a flaw common to all content sites.
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  PHILLYDREAMERposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Which is why I won't blast HubPages for their rule, but I can't say my feelings aren't hurt about it.
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Steve Westposted 12 years ago
I can't believe I just wasted 20 minutes reading this thread.
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