In my opinion no matter what in the next 5 or more years we will be loosing traffic constantly because of the changes in the Google algo. These days having good content is not enough - you will need to tweak your hubs every time the algo will change. If someone is making money only on hubpages i suggest to find another way to earn money - this is just my opinion
Thank you all for the replies
Maybe it's out of work KGB agents in Estonia stealing clicks, again.
I'm not publishing as much on Hubpages now. It's just not worth the time and effort. Google keeps battering the site by the looks of it. I've too many zeros and too many Zz's in my stats. I've resorted to listicles as I know they get hits. Google punishes creativity at every turn if my experience is anything to go on.
My content explodes in the warm summer season because I write swimming pool articles. I have had payouts of nearly $200.00 in one month with only 30 hubs. I think it is all based on content and what people search for. The Google algorithm "understands" that my articles are valuable to Web inquires. More than half of my articles appear top of page one on google without exact keyword searches. I am finding that "do it yourself" type of articles bring the most hits. The more people that click on your site, the less likely that algorithm changes will affect its ranking.
Mines really picked up in the last few days actually, higher than its ever been before.
Cant answer that except to speak for my own traffic which went up within minutes of my making a few tweaks to some of my hubs that weren't getting much. I literally changed a word in a couple titles, switched some images around, added some links, and voila! I think if we as hubbers continue to edit and improve our sleepy hubs we might have a hand in improving hp overall.
Mine has dropped badly this week for some reason. Was hitting the 200 a day (still a newbie) and it has dropped to around 70? Weird! But ah well, just gotta go with it I suppose
HubPages, Wizzley etc are the games of the past. These are already outdated. These are enough for hobby, actually.
When i recieved my frist paycheck for 50 $ i was really happy that when i"ll be posting new great content hubs I will make more money on it, but with the algo change all the time, my traffic dropped significantly - so i don't see any point at the moment
Google has already declared the future for HubPages. The rest of the responsibility lies on 'Idle hubs' and 'apprentice program'.
I am pretty new to the HubPages, but yet none of my Hubs had this Idle notification, so I believe that if you write properly, following some principles, traffic will be there....
This is my secondary account. I have been here for a year. Have almost 50 hubs. Have hundreds of comments. Done SEO. Got $65 at the end of the year.
did you do properly seo?? I have 7 hubs. With my calculations, depending on my current earnings/views, yes I should get around 65 $ with 50 hubs too.... So this means we can either make 500 hubs and make our own website too (?)
Have you found a better way though?
The best is to build your own website. I am on my way to making my site with Adobe Muse. The rev-share is an outdated concept.
I have 3 websites and I have 150 hubs here. I still earn more here than I do from these 3 sites. One has been around for a long time. With the Hubpage Ad program, Hubpages is still a good deal.
I agree though that you need different streams of income. If your views tank, you still have something else to rely on.
It still depends on what you write about. Some topics just don't get enough views and others just have too much competition.
It still works for me as an income stream.
However I would suggest not trying to scale up to get earnings expectations until you hubs are a few months old. They get a boost early on from hubber traffic. That doesn't last.
I agree, but the usual boost is around 9. At the moment my hubs (except one) have views pretty much every day. I have 7 hubs and I am like 20 days here and I have 239 views at the moment. I don't know if this is good though
I have been laboring on this program for 13 months now. I did over a hounded hubs. The net profit is laughable.
That's because you made in a year what I make in a month (based on your profile statement). Not because everyone makes what you make.
So psycheskinner, even after the recent updates hubpages can still make some passive income. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, a crook can always outrun an honest sprinter. Besides, they have a bigger mouth and more experience in twisting things.
However, I can't hope, but ask you, after the recent changes, if your hubs under a strong domain as hubpages, have not enough traffic, why would your website?
That's very simple.
1st, if you're in HubPages, you rely solely on Google's mercy. If you have your own website, you can use many different options.
2nd, when you write on HubPages, Google can't individually evaluate your content. They consider the company's profile and reliability. If HubPages sucks to Google, then you suck as well.
If you write in an independent website, you are free of that labeling.
1) The most important difference between private website and hubpages, is that you can use adwords on your website. This will be pretty challenging.
2) That's true. Noone forces you to stay on hubpages though...
On independent website you are free of any labeling actually, you are zero! So, either you are going to give a hell of an effort for your own website or fail there even more hardly than hubpages...
That's nice. Please, do follow me and when you have your own website succeeding, come tell me. I will make a hub or article elsewhere, especially for you.
When I checked Webmaster tools...my traffic is down 30% now as opposed to 20% last month.
What's the future of HP?
I have no idea.
But I do know I have about 23 Hubs I am looking at moving elsewhere at the end of the month because suddenly they are doing nothing here.
I've been here for over 5 years and I'm not looking to bail out yet.
But I am planning on cutting some ballast lose.
Perhaps Paul Deeds would like to address this issue for us directly.
I have no hubs here, having long since taken them down to pursue another direction.
If anyone knows of another site, please state it here.
Are you encouraging people to get themselves banned?
In hind site, it probably was not best to ask for other sites but, no, I'm not trying to get anyone banned. There's plenty of people on here doing that just fine on their own.
I would hope that discussing other sites would not get anyone banned as it is not against TOS.
That kind of defensiveness is more a quality of now closed unprofessional sites like Today.com
As it happens my traffic is very good and has been over the last month or so. I have no idea why.
I wasn't sure if it would be a problem or not. TOS seem to be up to the personal interpretation of the forum moderators sometimes.
Sometimes? Get real...
My traffic has doubled in the last two weeks. I've seen other people posting that their traffic is way up. Seems odd that some fare well, and some tank with each algo change.
I'm seeing a lot of activity on my articles.
Don't know why, but I'm not complaining.
With all the recent changes being put in place by HP., I'm very sure most of us will surely get out of this mess.
I had a huge drop after an algo change by Google, and am now almost recovered. I was strongly considering moving, but am now only going to diversify. Everyone says that's the best way to do it anyway. My only problem is being a slow writer. I need to speed up if I'm to diversify.
From my knowledge, you have already moved somewhat. Saw your picture to the other site.
I haven't moved. As I said above, I'm diversifying. In case you don't know what that means, it means that I intend to not only write for HubPages, but for another site. I've opened an account at Wizzley, but haven't added any articles to it yet.
Besides that, you've been banned. So why are you writing on the forum?
HP pageviews are only down 13% from their high on Quantcast.com. That doesn't sound too ominous. It may be on a rebound, so hubbers could be headed for rebound. I am optimistic.
Keep in mind many who are positioned for Halloween, Christmas, CyberMonday etc see big, big spikes in traffic right now.
So being down 10% could be down 40-50% of where the site should be.
Im not saying that is happening - not at all - didnt check the last years graphs.
But, it really is the season to be expecting a natural increase in traffic and has been for awhile now.
( I just went and peeked at past years public stats)
Just peek at the entire year as a whole for the year listed - you see the shape of the graphs, even Post Panda? ... if the site is in fact down 10% - that is a bigger loss than it seems. ( I just peeked real quick at the year stats - so cant confirm any percentage down in traffic)
I wouldn't get worried just yet. In 3 years here, 3 times my traffic has gone way down. Hubpages has always arrived at a solution to get the site going again. I agree that it wouldn't hurt to write at different sites just so you have some income coming in when the traffic isn't good here, but I'd stick to Hubpages at the same time. I've been doing well here.
It really makes no difference to me as I only write as a hobby. I get excited when someone leaves a comment.That's good enough for me .I do not even know how you can actually make money here? With my articles, I don't really feel confident anybody will even read it except myself, LOL!
I had a freak incident yesterday, I hit around 50 views (I've been writing for 20 days, hah) when I had been getting around 10-15 previously. I've had about 30 views today.
I dunno, it's strange.
It seems like everyone on hubpages is experiencing something different with their traffic.
It is really sad that HubPages is no more a reliable source of income for us writers because of the constant Google mood swings and other problems. I have seen some results after tweaking Hubs and applying social media. However, I think we should should look at different ways of earning income and not depend on HP earnings alone. Build niche sites with relevant links pointing to your content, sell your services on freelancer sites, use social media and other search engines to drive traffic to your content, get a day job or whatever it takes to make up for the loss of income because of Google. Don't wait and expect 'miracles' to happen... make it happen. By waiting for the closed door to open we may be blocking new opportunities which are in front of us. If there is a will, there is a way. We all should come up with a way to come out of the Google dependance.
Gosh....all this doom and gloom. Just try to be a bit more positive. It hasn't been announced that things will stay this way....has it? This could very well be a temporary slump. Keep hubbing and doing what you always do...keep smiling and remain hopeful this will turn around.
Have you ever stood in a very slow moving check out line....and decided to go to the next line....and as soon as you do, the line you were in, moved along like a flash?? The moral to that is, Hang in there and stay put. You're where you are suppose to be!
Well I am new to hubpages and fairly new to online writing in general but I have seen conversations such as this everywhere. The traffic loss situation does not seem to be exclusive to hubpages and a lot of places seem to be in the same boat. I will, therefore, just hang in and wait for recovery. I figure hubpages wants to stay in business just as much as we writers want to make money so I am certain they are working hard to ensure a good outcome.
I have a blogger account going on the side too but read that it's recommended NOT to link to a site that has a no index robots txt code maybe others are following suit or finding getting rid of our links, helps them?
Thanks, Dame Scribe. I have blogs that I link to some of my hubs, and those hubs fell in Google ranking. I couldn't understand why, and when I asked for advice here, someone told me that maybe new articles are better than mine. That was sad. But I now I think because my blogs have a no index robots txt code. Thanks once again... I'll go remove my links now. Cheers!
I'm in that weird thing where traffic is WAY down, but profits have almost doubled.
Thus...I am not complaining.
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