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SEO tricks?

  1. SarahLynnB profile image59
    SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago

    I have read multiple reviews on SEO tricks. I have read its better to use SEO tricks, and I have read its best to not follow them. To all the successful hubbers out there, this question is for you. Do you follow the SEO tricks out there to rank top in the search engines for more traffic, or do you find it more beneficial without using SEO tricks?

    1. safiq ali patel profile image67
      safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I like the topic of this forum. It you start to use "SEO Tricks" you should remember that google is intelligent software. It is almost like a mind of it's own that is programmed to spot things l like SEO tricks. So if you start to use little trick to boost your page rank Google will spot this and crush your tricks. The best thing to do is go with natural organic growth which means writing your hub and using social networking and such to promote it. Yes use aids and techniques to boost the readership of your hubs but be careful about trying to trick the google search engine because you could lose out in the long term.

    2. brakel2 profile image86
      brakel2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I  use keywords or title near the beginning and end of hub in a very natural way. so it fits. Another writing site says to use them within the first 140 words. Using your title several times in the beginning is not advisable. Do you get the topic on page 1 of Google when you use this technique?  I do like the topic of this post. Thanks for introducing it, Sarah.

  2. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    It is wise to be aware if how search engines work and develop good techniques. I don ' t know what you would consider a 'trick'

    1. SarahLynnB profile image59
      SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, maybe "trick" was the wrong word, technique sounds better. Thanks for your response

  3. Greekgeek profile image94
    Greekgeekposted 4 years ago

    If by trick you mean "artificial linking schemes designed to fool search engines into thinking your content is better than it is," no, that's not a good idea.

    That's like running big billboards advertising a poorly-written, content-free book that doesn't have what you claim it has between the covers.

    If you mean "learning how search engines work and what people who search are looking for, so that you can make sure that your content is more effective and the packaging helps people find it," that's a whole different ball of wax.

    That's like...
    --studying your readership and what their needs are, then researching and creating exactly the content they're looking for
    --giving the book a good title and cover that indicates clearly what's inside of it
    --making sure the table of contents gives a clear indication of what people will get out of the book
    --organizing the book in a clear, logical structure to make it easy to read
    --learning how people find your books and making sure your books are available there.
    --attending conferences in your field and giving good presentations so that you establish a reputation
    --learning what worked and what didn't for that book, and using everything you learned to write the next book.

    See what I just did there? That's some basic SEO techniques, translated into a print medium.

    A book can be a bestseller even if you don't do all those steps, but depending on the audience, competition, and subject matter, using some of those techniques can help get the word out and sell more copies.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Greekgeek has, as always, produced a high value post, and I would add only one thing to it.

      Because the giant library (we call the internet) has an librarian/index (that we call google) with a very low IQ it is necessary to help that index a little by teaching it what the subject of our book is.  Although engineers constantly work to improve that low IQ, and it requires less and less "teaching" as they do so, it is still necessary to give it a little boost by proper keyword usage.  Learn how to do a little on-page SEO with keywords to teach that stupid librarian what you are writing about.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image92
        Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I love that analogy!

    2. SarahLynnB profile image59
      SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      GreekGeek- I always love your responses. They are extremely thorough and self explanatory, thank you so much smile

      Wilderness- Thank you as well, I think I have been over analyzing the SEO techniques out there and putting in too much thought, which by the sounds of it, can only really hurt me in the end.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Probably.  Although there are still "SEO gurus" out there that will advise spreading 10,000 backlinks (and sell you the software to do it with sad ) they are the ones to stay away from. 

        For the most part effective SEO is accomplished by natural writing of an easy to read and understand article.  Maybe just a little sharing on social sites or other sites, but not much is necessary any more.  The day of counting backlinks to determine quality is gone, thank goodness.

        1. SarahLynnB profile image59
          SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, by the sounds of it, I should probably just focus on minimal use of keywords, and focus the rest on quality content. I have read a lot of SEO info stating to repeat your topic 2-3 throughout the first paragraph, which actually boosted my traffic a little bit. I just do not want to over do it, but I also want focus on some techniques but keep it to a minimum. It seems once I get a significant amount of content I will be able to learn the pros and cons of how I can improve traffic.

          1. Barbara Kay profile image87
            Barbara Kayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            2-3 times in the first paragraph is too much! Once in the first paragraph is enough.

            1. SarahLynnB profile image59
              SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Okay!

        2. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Do you make decent money doing this?

          1. SarahLynnB profile image59
            SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I am fairly new to hubpages, I have not earned anything yet. I also removed all my ads from Amazon, which I will be putting them up shortly. Also, having issues getting approved with Adsense. It has been really difficult for me, and because hubpages is so different from blogging, I have been doing a lot of research so that I can become successful. Don't get me wrong, I am very knowledgeable and I am not a newbie on the subjects I write about. I have studied health, fitness, mental illnesses, homeopathic remedies, etc.  for quite some time. Hubpages is a whole different ballgame. I have spent hours learning about all the ins and outs, and I know you don't become successful overnight, takes time for sure, and the more quality content you have, the better. I am just trying to get educated as much as possible. So if you have any tips please feel free to share.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That was not aimed at you, but:
              Build good content in the first place.
              Do quality social networking and be active on the sites you use for that.
              Build decent quality links from relevant sites.

              1. SarahLynnB profile image59
                SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you!

            2. leahlefler profile image96
              leahleflerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              It takes a while to learn what "works" on HubPages. Your writing is fine, so you should do well in the long run. The use of properly attributed photos is important - use original photographs or obtain images from Wikimedia Commons, Flickr (creative commons), etc. and cite the source properly (i.e. "By Bob Smith, CC-BY, via Flickr").

              Another tip is to use more than one text capsule to break up a long stream of text - it can improve the overall "look" of a hub.

              1. SarahLynnB profile image59
                SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you! smile

          2. livewithrichard profile image86
            livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It's the mindset of a digital sharecropper... not that it is a bad thing if you are only concerned with a passive income stream. 

            The real truth is, the only ones making any real money online are the site owners (where you do your sharecropping) because they benefit from fresh and unlimited free content; and those that pay for their traffic.  Paying for traffic, not for pay per click pennies, but for affiliate offers that pay huge commissions and these are also the ones who care less about SEO.  There is no need for SEO if you are paying for traffic.

            Sharecroppers earn a little here and there and the more sites they plant their content, usually the better the earnings.  The real question is, are you comfortable remaining a sharecropper, or do you want to have your own plantation?

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Passive income? WTF is that? lol

              I agree though - I am learning the ins and outs of Facebook ads right now. I am also lucky enough to have access to about 600 sites for link building that are well protected and high quality. Combine that with some decent social networking and you are good to go.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Mark, I am experimenting with FB as well.  Every time I spread a hub around, views go up 30-40 per day, but only for a few days and then promptly goes back down.  As I'm looking for passive income (as near as possible), I'm not interested in constant work to maintain traffic and this may well be a failure.

                Overall traffic is way up since beginning the project, but there is no way of knowing of it is the result of providing links back to my subdomain or just riding the coattails of HP as it also climbs. 

                I haven't looked at FB ads, but have started a niche page for my profile.  Again, not enough experience to know what it will do as it gets very little in the way of comments yet.  It's also not something I wish to continue if it's going to require an hour or two every day.  I didn't retire just to find another job is my attitude.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image92
                  Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Personally, I think passive income is dead.   Once upon a time, it was possible to build a body of work online (and a network of links to it), and then virtually sit back and let the money flow in.  I know people who did it. True, they worked all hours of the day (and night) for the first two or three years to get there, but it was achievable.

                  These days, Google is insisting on "freshness".  You can't just build a website, now you have to keep adding new content.  A network of old links isn't enough - and besides, they're steadily disappearing as friends throw their hands up, decide the internet business is all too hard and delete their blogs.  You have to keep getting Likes and Shares and Pinterest pins.  Not to mention the need to constantly keep abreast of Google's latest updates.  Not passive at all!

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I think you're right, Marisa - there is no such as a true passive income from writing on the net anymore.

                    I don't think, however, that takes 40 hours per week to keep a couple hundred hubs ranked.  I am personally quite willing to put in a little time each week or month to "maintain" older hubs if that what it takes, and at this point I believe that a few hours per month will accomplish that.  We don't need to spend large quantities of time backlinking or refreshing everything every other day or so.

                    That's why I referenced "passive income (as near as possible)".  A steady, truly passive, income isn't possible, but it doesn't take a great deal to keep an account active and ranked either.

          3. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Guess that depends on what you call decent.  I'm happy with it.

            I could never live off of what I earn, but then I don't even come close to working full time at it, either.  That was never my goal and still isn't.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Great. So - you don't know what "effective SEO" is then. Odd you feel comfortable advising others in this field.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Because I don't want a full time income (or job) from HP means that I don't know how to get traffic or earnings from the site?

                Considering the time and effort I put into HP, it's paying about as well as any brick and mortar job I've ever had.  If your definition of "decent" income is limited to full time income AND effort, you need to rethink that.  You also need to reconsider advising people that only "work" the site for a few hours per month as if they were spending 50 hours per week here.  Not everyone wants or does that.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry - what does that have to do with your knowledge of "effective SEO" exactly? Thanks for the advice. I earn a full time living doing this and have done for years.

                  Great that you feel comfortable advising others when you don't make a living at it. Make you feel good?

                  1. safiq ali patel profile image67
                    safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi Mark. If you were to list ten good tips for increasing traffic to you hubs what would those top ten tips be. Please reply if you can. I ask because I'd love to be earning a living wage from hubbing but I'm not to those targets yet and I posted in this forum because I would  like more tips on boosting the number of page views to my hubs.

                  2. SarahLynnB profile image59
                    SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes Mark, if you are earning a substantial income on hubpages, do you have any other tips to help me and others become successful? Any knowledge you have would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to learn as much as possible.

                  3. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry Mark, but you won't sucker me with a "better than thou" attitude.  I doubt that you are actually earning much more per hub or more per hour invested on HubPages than I am.

                    If your vast knowledge of years old SEO tricks has you advising a nube of less than a month to go out and find lots of sites to backlink from, and it makes you feel good to provide that ancient advice, have at it.  They'll find a better use for their time eventually.  Playing marbles, maybe.

    3. safiq ali patel profile image67
      safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What you mention here are not tricks they are probably sound actions to improve interaction between your webpages and Google.
      I take the term "Tricks" to mean things that will dupe Google into lifting your Page Ranking. Lets be clear there are "tricks" then there are real effective strategies for boosting your page ranking rather than tricking Google.

      1. SarahLynnB profile image59
        SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What do you recommend

        1. safiq ali patel profile image67
          safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well SarahLynneB. What do I recommend. To improve your search result ranking stick with the Google and Hub Pages guidelines. I got with my belief that Google is very intelligent so trying to trick Google will not work.
          Let me give you an example. In most of my hubs until November 2012 I was using photos that were simply downloaded from a Google Search. These photos because they are part of the websites Google measures gave me a huge boost. I got ranked higher because the photo's I was using were already indexed and known to Google. So my page ranking was my own content ranking through Google plus the ranking of the photos. I was listing near the top of the search for certain key words.
          BUT and it is a great big BUT....Because I was using photos that were breaking the Hub Pages rules on photos because these photos of Air India were not for licensed use my earnings were hardly shifting at all.
          I got rid of the photos that were against hub pages rules. The consequence was my page ranking started to fall because now my hubs needed to work under their own quality and strength to get a good Google page ranking rather than one unlawfully borrowed from someone else images.
          The result. The ranking of my hub has dropped but because my hubs are in keeping with the rules on photos my earnings over the past 21 days have tripled.
          So what I'm trying to say is to get the traffic that you are looking for don't break rules and hope that no-one will notice. Both Hub Pages and Google are intelligent programs. Like a strict teacher both Google and Hub Pages scan what we publish. And though we may not believe so if we are breaking the rules by trying to trick Hub Pages or Google we risk losing earnings.
          My best tip is to write your hubs by all means. And anything else you are writing. But stay within the rules and keep up your research on how to improve traffic to your hubs. As a tip the more your hubs and publishing stay within the rules the more likely you are to command improved traffic and better earnings. Leading me back to what I was saying earlier. Do not trick Google, Get to Know Google instead to found our what Google likes to bring you upwards in your Page Ranking.

          1. SarahLynnB profile image59
            SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Great, Thanks! I corrected my wording earlier, although many probably have not read it. Using the word "trick" was not what I should have used. More so, techniques. I don't want to trick search engines, that sounds bad. That is not my intent.

  4. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    The basic techniques are often pretty well covered just by using plain language to convey useful information

  5. moronkee profile image80
    moronkeeposted 4 years ago

    It's best to always follow the rules of the game than looking for a shortcut to success.
    Thanks

  6. starme77 profile image88
    starme77posted 4 years ago

    Good Marketing seems to work but is a part of SEO in a way

    1. Garrett Mickley profile image81
      Garrett Mickleyposted 4 years ago

      I don't use SEO "tricks" but I use Google's advice on what to do and I rank well.

      Of course on HubPages, I am at the whims of the HubPages staff so I don't do as well as I do on my personal sites, but the Adsense/Amazon/Ebay thing is set up a lot better here so I feel like it's a trade off.

    2. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
      Kangaroo_Jaseposted 4 years ago

      Sarah,

      Your most difficult journey is no matter how much information you get from folks, which incidentally will be from legitimate and well intentioned people and from some charlatans (both on this site unfortunately)  you will need to find your own path.

      You will get much knowledge but, when it comes down to it, you need to do whats best for you.

      Don't stop asking questions.

      Don't be afraid to attempt and try different things.

      When you fall down, get back up again.

      Sometimes, the best suggestion is just to let see how some (articles, blogs websites, ebooks, training packages, items you create, etc) run over time.

      1. safiq ali patel profile image67
        safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's about learning to become the internet success you want to be and it is also about sticking with hub pages over a number of years. You will find that those who have been members for longer have higher traffic and more hubs. Build it up slowly content and traffic rather than overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day and nor is success on hub pages. It is all about quality and time. Read hubs, Answer Questions, Post In Forums it will all help boost your search engine ranking and boost your earnings too. Good luck Every Step of the way.

    3. Marisa Wright profile image92
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago

      Mark/Wilderness - can you stop hijacking this newbie's thread?  She must be wondering what a bunch of squabbling kids she's landed in!

      Wilderness - your opening remark to Mark did have an underlying edge of disapproval to it, which you may or may not have intended.   You can't blame Mark for biting back, and there's no need to escalate into insults. It seems out of character for you.

      I'm not sure if you're aware that Mark makes his living online (and he does live on the Riviera so I don't imagine his lifestyle comes cheap...) so the fact is, your knowledge (and mine) pales into insignificance compared to his.  Some people have painted Mark as a black hatter but that's not so.  He has been very adept at adapting his online strategies to fit the new Google landscape and he's still pretty successful, unlike many other former internet success stories. 

      Mark - as I said, I did feel Wilderness's opening remark was a bit sharp, so I don't blame you for reacting, but you really do sound like you got out of bed the wrong side today.  Can we let it go now...?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Just saw this.  You're a little late, Marisa - I last responded (to livewithrichard, not Mark) nearly 4 hours prior to your post.  As he was civil, it was with a list of on page SEO tricks that he asked to see and was in line with the OP's request as well rather than with tit for tat language.

        Yes, I know Mark makes his living writing online and is without doubt knowledgeable about the subject.  I said that, and also apologized if my first post was objectionable as it was never meant to be. 

        I've crossed horns with Mark before, and decided then that I didn't like the rude and condescending attitude.  Why I allowed myself to be drawn into another squabble I don't know.

        So be quiet, teacher, and go away: I'll be a good boy. smile

        1. Marisa Wright profile image92
          Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, I might've known there was some history.  Mark can be very scathing but usually his targets richly deserve it.  I was surprised to see him go so over the top with you!

      2. Kangaroo_Jase profile image80
        Kangaroo_Jaseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You said it better than I could smile

      3. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wilderness' opening remark was sharp and tinged with the "holier than thou," attitude common to many of these discussions. But - more to the point - he was advising a newbie with what is bad advice

        This is bad advice:



        Now - when I first started, I was caught out by people offering me advice they had never ever tested and I find it some what offensive how many people are giving out advice when they have not actually proven themselves.

        Backlinks are vital. Absolutely vital. You just need a different approach to getting them than used to work. Quality social networking that generates traffic is vital. Absolutely vital.

        That is if you want to do SEO that creates rankings, traffic and income.

        I don't like to see people giving out crappy advice they have not actually tested.

        1. SarahLynnB profile image59
          SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you for those tips, I just bought a book yesterday so I can learn about many things including backlinks. I am going to learn about it more and then try it out.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image92
            Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I hope it was an ebook not a real book, and that it was written very, very recently.    Every time Google changes its algorithm, SEO changes.  Google released changes to its algorithm 150 times last year alone!  So books get outdated very quickly. 

            Blogs are probably more reliable, and even then, there are far too many sharks out there, pretending to be internet experts.  They're not experts at all - basically, they've failed to make money from building websites themselves, but they've discovered they can fool other people by pretending they've made their own fortune already.

            Can you share the name and author of the book, we may recognize it and be able to tell you whether it's a good one or a con?

            1. SarahLynnB profile image59
              SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah I was on the fence on which book to buy. . I looked for the most recent publish date which I believe to either be May or June of 2012. It is SEO for Dummies by Peter Kent.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image92
                Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know anything about that book, fingers crossed someone here will have some input.  I've never heard of Peter Kent but that's not necessarily a bad thing - the high profile "internet gurus" are often the biggest scammers!

                1. SarahLynnB profile image59
                  SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah. . I tried to stay clear of those. So many books claim to be the best, I just passed on those. Hopefully SEO for dummies is alright, I know it had good reviews.

                2. livewithrichard profile image86
                  livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm afraid Kent is one of those 'ancient' gurus who only keeps up with SEO from what he now reads and not what he practices.  This is evident by going to his own website and seeing how low his traffic is.  For the most part, much of the old advice is still sound... it's the 'tricks' that have fallen out of grace and are no longer relevant.  For anyone to claim that backlinks are not important, clearly has no clue and is not earning more than a few pennies a month online.  That's fine for those that are not here to earn online, but for me, I see no other purpose if I am going to invest my time.  Wilderness suggested earlier that time was more important... and he is correct, but when you are first starting out online, it only makes sense that you start on the right path and by doing so, you will save time in the long run.  Like Mark, I've been doing this for quite a few years and have experimented my arse off with what works and what doesn't work.  Building a social network takes time but it is absolutely necessary if you want to achieve real traffic and real earnings.  You see, building backlinks the old and (right) way by contacting an authority site webmaster/blogger and requesting is absolutely tiresome and not beneficial to someone that only writes articles on sharecropping sites like this.  However, building backlinks is very easy when you have a well developed social network in place.  Well developed doesn't necessarily mean having thousands of followers.  (on Pinterest, I only have about 50 followers though I have had my images pinned thousands of times.) Well developed means that you are engaging people, they are engaging you, you are sharing information that your networks has interests in and not all of it is your own and across several networks.  My big hitters are StumbleUpon, Folkd, Fark, Reddit, Twitter, Pinterest, and slowly but surely G+.  I only use Facebook as a personal network and only vary rarely share links there and almost never my own (except on the Facebook Pages that I have created.. total different ball of wax.)  I also bookmark at a few sites but that is mostly out of habit. Besides those types of backlinks, I also have quite a few from guest blogging.  I know this works because over the past few weeks alone, I have unpublished over 50 hubs that were falling 'idle' and getting zero traffic here and republished a handful of them on a brand spanking new site that in less than 3 weeks has gone from 0 to 200+ per day.  The only thing that was changed on those republished hubs is the URL and the title and each and every one of them are indexed and ranking in Google and Bing/Yahoo, earning from Adsense, Amazon, and Ebay and a few affiliate networks which HP does not approve of. 
                  Social networking is not an SEO 'trick' it is an important aspect of the overall indexing process.  If it wasn't, do you think HP would have those buttons to Twitter, FB and Pinterest on every hub? No, the links don't hold as much weight as links coming from authority sites but they are clear indicators to the SE's of the popularity of the content being linked to.

                  1. SarahLynnB profile image59
                    SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for the help. .If you don't mind my asking, where did you re-post your hubs? I have been looking into creating my own blog as well.

                    1. Marisa Wright profile image92
                      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      LivewithRichard knows what he is talking about - so if he says Peter Kent isn't worth listening to, you've probably wasted your money on that book!

                      If you're going to create your own blog, it's important to identify a single subject that you want to write about, and stick to it.  Unlike rev-sharing sites, blogs only work if they're totally focussed on one topic.  The old advice was to find a narrow niche (e.g targeting a long tail keyword).  However these days, Google is looking for "authority" sites, which means you'll need to build up a solid body of work on the subject and keep adding to it over time, which is difficult if you pick too narrow a subject.  When deciding on your topic, ask yourself, "can I see myself still finding new stuff to write about this in two years' time?"

                      So for instance, I used to have a blog on belly dance DVD reviews, and others on Tribal belly dance. Australian belly dance, belly dance costumes and belly dance classifieds.  I've recently combined all of them into one big belly dance blog.

                      As for other sites to repost to (or to spread your work around), try Seekyt, Infobarrel, Zujava, Wizzley, Xobba, PubWages and ThisisFreelance.  There are other sites, but you need to read their TOS carefully to make sure they allow you to remove your articles if you decide to leave - some don't.

    4. Will Apse profile image88
      Will Apseposted 4 years ago

      There are so many ways to make money online. Cheating search engines by sending them false signals is getting more and more difficult. Much better to focus on content and forget the SEO tricks.

      Legit SEO pretty much begins and ends with site architecture, page titles and keyword research.

    5. RichFatCat profile image89
      RichFatCatposted 4 years ago

      I tried to sneak in the words "bikini, xxx, and free" into my websites in various places, but that didn't help.  Ha....! 
      Search engines are clever beasts.  You can try all the tricks but you find people like myself who get their links showing high up on the rankings with little to no SEO tricks involved.  Good content beats the best SEO tricks every time.  Write something that people like to read and they will pass the link to a friend who will pass it on to their friends and to their friends, and so on and so on. 
      It's amazing how that happens.  Soon you'll be number one on the list. 
      I made on the top ten a few times, so what?  Didn't make me a millionaire, not even close. 
      Write good stuff and often.  Have something to sell when they get there, then repeat.
      Good luck to you.

      1. safiq ali patel profile image67
        safiq ali patelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Look guys. It is non of my business really. But the point of this forum is SEO. Let's if we can cut out the quibbling and focus on answering the questions.

    6. arcakom profile image56
      arcakomposted 4 years ago

      I think SEO is still required and still profitable, there is no other way as it

    7. profile image0
      googleseoservicesposted 4 years ago

      I like the different points of view, and my opinion would be, search engine optimization is all about user experience and great website, therefore, if we use the term "techniques" then surely, seo specialists are experienced in good website design and architecture, for example: redundant code used on most websites, SEO trick would be to identify this and correct it, I see nothing wrong with that.

      Having said that, almost 90% of seo techniques many spammers use (mainly keyword spam, and self promotional content in form of article spins or low quality articles, are gone and buried for Good) thank you Google.

      Also, we must understand there isn't a way to trick Google, it uses supervised machine learning technology, that keeps a track of the internet in four dimensional view (complex, I know), furthermore, they have big profits to protect (billions) so before long, all the SEO's will understand how to simply follow Google guidelines and simply provide great user focused content, so SEO is always good and ethical search engine optimization will always prevail and can add value to any online business.

      1. SarahLynnB profile image59
        SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        After reading everything. . I think the best thing to do is focus on quality content (which has always been my intent), learn more on SEO, try it out, if it works for me wonderful. One thing I will be doing is learning more on backlinks and social media. I will just have to test the waters and see what works best for me. Opinions are still welcomed for sure, its great to see so many responses. I will not be trying to "trick" search engines however, which was the wrong word of choice on my part when I originally started this thread. Thank you everyone smile

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      mcxniftycallsposted 4 years ago

      I never follow any SEO trick to get ranking but yeah. I do keyword research, find low competition long tail keywords and use that keyword within article several times. about 1%. Every title of my article is a long tail keyword have more than 300 exact searches per month and some of my article are on first page of google search.
      It don't need any SEO trick to get ranking here as Hubpages is already a page rank 6 website and crawled by crawler frequently. A unique article with on page SEO (Use of keywords) is enough to get in google results in HubPages

    9. Will Apse profile image88
      Will Apseposted 4 years ago

      http://www.petithome.co.uk/pub/files/newiq/.thumbnails/1336144115_Heico%20fawn%20and%20bambi%20childrens%20lamp%20and%20night%20light_w300_h300.jpg

    10. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

      I've never seen this site go over an hour without one single forum post before...

      1. Will Apse profile image88
        Will Apseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well. I'm afraid that this is not a very cheery thread to drop into. I hope the plastic fawn helps a little though, lol.

    11. ftclick profile image61
      ftclickposted 4 years ago

      I would write for the user and not the engines. It is said you will rank better.

      A plastic fawn. smile

    12. rebekahELLE profile image87
      rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

      One of my favorite places online to read about SEO is the seomoz site.  They have very helpful, easy to understand blog entries.

      1. livewithrichard profile image86
        livewithrichardposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'll second that... seomoz.org/learn-seo  is where anyone that wants to keep up with the latest SEO information needs to begin.

        @SarahLynnB  I have written on a large variety of topics and I have republished my hubs on several of my own self hosted blogs.  The newest one that I mentioned above is linked on my profile page.  It's just a plain (self hosted) Wordpress blog and I made very minor changes to the Twenty Eleven theme that comes standard on all new Wordpress blogs.  Of course there are some must have plugins that help me achieve my goals.  To republish hubs, you have to make sure that they are de-indexed from Google Yahoo, and Bing.  So far, I have only moved hubs that became idle.  Those, I know have sank out of Google but I unpublish them, wait about a week until they become de-indexed on Yahoo/Bing then I know its okay to republish them where ever I want.  It's slow, but I don't want to add too much too quickly to any one blog... my goal is to build a following and traffic and then an income will follow.  You can't build a reliable following if you overwhelm your readers.

        1. SarahLynnB profile image59
          SarahLynnBposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Awesome, thanks!

     
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