I am probably leaving HupPages and looking for another site.

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  1. Geekdom profile image90
    Geekdomposted 4 years ago

    I have been thinking of leaving HubPages for a while now because of several reasons. With their latest ebay/amazon update I now have to reformat over 90 hubs (Some had not been published yet and I was waiting for Halloween). Rather than doing this I will use my time looking for a site and transferring them over.  Does anybody have suggestions for another writing site?

    I am basically looking for the old HubPages. I like the pay per click system and do not want a noindex/follow to be applied because of low views and a machines algorithm. Ideally the site should not institute changes that force you to completely reformat your old hubs.   

    I will miss the community, but the constant "updates" always effect my hubs negatively and I am tired of my free time writing becoming free time article maintenance.

    1. Marcy Goodfleisch profile image96
      Marcy Goodfleischposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I hope you reconsider and stay with us, Geekdom.  I know there have been a ton of changes on this site, but every single one of them has been made to respond to the changing landscape of Google.  I trust HP to track the online search trends and make adjustments that keep the site competitive.  Yes, this means we all have to adjust to those changes as well, but I am not about to put my writing on a site that isn't doing this type of legwork for us.

      The HP policy change about Amazon capsules is a direct response to the way Google changed how they treat those things in search results.

      For what it's worth - the latest news (so I hear) is that Yahoo is returning as a power player in the world of search engines.  This means there will be even more changes as we go forward, because HP will be assessing Google's responses to the Yahoo revival (if those reports are true), and will also be devoting more time to assessing the trends in Yahoo's search rankings.  There are far too many sites that don't study the trends and react to them as well as HP does.  My personal preference is to stay with the great team we have here at HP.

    2. relache profile image86
      relacheposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      So, it's 10 months later, and you're still here, and we've all just been told to update all our Hub again for mobile web.

      How are you feeling about this latest change?

      1. SmartAndFun profile image97
        SmartAndFunposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        If I update my hubs for mobile, I wonder if my Hubber score will go down? LOL. I bet it will.

      2. incomeguru profile image96
        incomeguruposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        Probably Geekdom had seen there is no other revenue sharing site better than hubpages. All the changes coming from HP, to me I still believe is for our own good.

      3. lovebuglena profile image86
        lovebuglenaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        How do we edit our hubs for Mobile?

        1. Marisa Wright profile image97
          Marisa Wrightposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Right now, if someone views your Hubs on a mobile, all the capsules become full width automatically.   That will sometimes look odd, because a right-floated photo or an Amazon ad will appear above its related text, not below don't ask me why they made that decision). 

          So HP is recommending you edit your capsules to make everything full width yourself - however, note you only need to change them if the automatic feature would put them in the wrong place.

          I'm not doing it, because I'm hoping they will realise that's a pretty basic "fix" and will work out a better way to present Hubs - in which case I'll have to edit them all over again.

    3. lovebuglena profile image86
      lovebuglenaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You can just start your own Google blog and monetize it. In this way you don't split revenue with anyone. You get it all. Plus you publish whatever you want. There is no one to really tell you what you can and cannot publish. And you are not limited to the amount of Amazon products you can feature in a post.

  2. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    I understand the motivation but I don't think any such site exists.  I have tried Infobarrel, Wizzley etc and new Hubpages is more like old Hubpages than they are.

    I would be pleased to learn of any better alternatives.

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think so, either.  OP is looking for a site that will publish anything and everything offered them and somehow produce high traffic figures regardless of the overall level of quality.  There are no such sites.

      1. relache profile image86
        relacheposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        This.

      2. WryLilt profile image90
        WryLiltposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        That.

      3. anotherleftturn profile image73
        anotherleftturnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        The other thing.

  3. earner profile image87
    earnerposted 4 years ago

    I don't plan on leaving, but I've no time to go through the 300+ hubs I've got.  At an average of 3 minutes each to open/check/tweak/close/save (without problems), it'd take me 900 minutes = 15 hours' work non-stop.

    As I've done similar changes on hubs in the past it's just not a good use of my time.

    I don't have the confidence that the 15 hours would be invested, but just wasted.... and there'll be another change round the corner too.

    1. ologsinquito profile image90
      ologsinquitoposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Earner, I quickly went through all of my hubs and took out extra Amazon capsules, all in one day. This was a big mistake. It's much better to do it slowly, a couple at a time. Now I am going through all of my hubs and updating them, one or two a day. Many were written when I was very new here, and didn't know about capsules, and what sells best on Amazon and eBay, and how to add extra photos. I don't know what else to do at this  point. Although some of the changes have been disappointing, this is still a better deal than writing for some of the other sites.

      1. earner profile image87
        earnerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        The thing is, every hour I spend tweaking hubs (and I dedicated two full months solidly to it already this year, adding new content, longer content, better content ... as well as tweaking old content) ..... every hour .... could be spent on one of my own sites or something/somewhere else to generate an income.

        Writing is my ONLY income. Nobody in the world shares my expenses, nor is there any form of income except what I can wake up and earn each day.

        Ultimately it all comes down to a judgement over which site I should spend each hour/day/week to potentially generate something that stimulates what was a good income .... to back where it was, or even half what it was....

        Everything I do has to result in a "worthwhile wage", ongoing.  I put in work here for the last 6-7 years and I've had enough for now.  It's paid well in the past (made an OK £/hour return).  It's now time to sit and do nowt.

    2. Marisa Wright profile image97
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      That's what happens when you write on a site you don't own, and it's why there are so few of the old original Hubbers left.   Most of them were far more prolific than me - and faced with the task of revising several hundred Hubs, multiple times due to rolling changes after the first Panda, they simply threw up their hands and gave up.   

      If you're a professional writer, then I'm sure you've been keeping up with what Google has had to say ever since the first Panda hit.  Right at the beginning, they openly stated that they were "declaring war" on content farms, and that their definition of "content farms" included ALL revenue-sharing sites, not just article marketing sites. So I think it's naive of anyone to hope that HubPages, Squidoo etc can ever return to the glory days of easy income - and it doesn't surprise me that things have continued to get worse for rev-sharing sites.   Bubblews is going welll only because it's presenting itself as a social networking site, and they're the new darlings.

      1. Mark Ewbie profile image88
        Mark Ewbieposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        On Bubblews you earn money without Google.  No it's not at all passive.  But it far exceeds HP income for me after three years of playing the HP game.

        One month on Bubblews - income approaching TEN times HP income for the month.

        1. Mark Ewbie profile image88
          Mark Ewbieposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Oh.  And another thing.  I don't have someone deciding whether my work is up to snuff.  I decide what to publish.

          And...

          Check out the ads.  Compare the amount and spamminess of them to HP.  Which is better?

        2. earner profile image87
          earnerposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, bigger incomes now.... and the money's instant, you can directly generate money instantly by publishing something .... and then sitting and watching the bank increase.

          Love that.

          I'm running out of things to say though smile
          And should do more promotion really .... but still at the "nervous/go slowly/see what happens" stage.

          But I LOVE the instant money.  Publish .... and watch .... and count the pennies.  Instant.

  4. skear profile image95
    skearposted 4 years ago

    Have you considered starting your own website?  If you move the articles to your own site you would have complete control over the updates and modifications made to the site.

    Wordpress is very simple to install and maintain, it also offers many plugins that can emulate the functions of the ebay and amazon capsules.

  5. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    Hubpages has made me a four figure amount so far with about 5 minutes a day invested -- so I can't whine to much.  bubblews just sets my teeth on edge. So maybe I could make more money there, but it would have a bad effect on my blood pressure.....

    Horses for courses, I guess.

  6. Greekgeek profile image92
    Greekgeekposted 4 years ago

    I'm puzzled at why people are going back and editing old Amazon and eBay capsules when the HP blog post did not say we had to do so, only that the new rule would apply to new Amazon capsule or old ones IF we choose to update them.

    What is making it necessary for people to update all their hubs? I seem to be missing something.

    (And apologies if someone explained already, and I missed it -- I've been busy this week and not keeping up.)

    ETA: ah, nevermind, I should've searched the forum first to see what I was missing. I take it that you can't just leave hubs alone with that "style tip" warning and blow it off as unhelpful advice if you think your hub is fine as is? I certainly blow off Squidoo's "progress bar" tips sometimes. wink

    1. aa lite profile image91
      aa liteposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, I don't really get that either.

      The only thing that comes to mind, is that for people who already only had 1 product per capsule the larger picture might on occasions mess up the formatting of the hub, leaving big white spaces.

      The other consideration is that hubs are being picked for the Editor's Choice thingy, and dealing with the style tips increases the chances of a hub being picked.  People might feel under pressure to get their hubs to "EC standards".

      But neither of these concerns are critical.  If I was under pressure I would sort out the best performing hubs quickly, and deal with the others slowly in little drips.

  7. WryLilt profile image90
    WryLiltposted 4 years ago

    I don't understand the problem. I always give the same advice to anyone who asks about writing online.

    1. Write hubs/wizzles/lenses etc till you understand what you're doing.
    2. Ignore the ones that don't work - improve or replicate the ones that do.
    3. Create websites around your best traffic content and redirect your article traffic to them as backlinks.
    4. Work on your websites. For about $10 a month (or less for more websites) you can maintain one website. If you can earn over that amount, it's paying for itself. Get enough paying for themselves, then slowly paying more, you're on the right track.

    Don't keep all your eggs in one basket. That applies to topics, where you write, monetisation and traffic sources.

    I'd say less than 15% of Hubpages changes since 2011 have been bad. They may require work, but most improved quality. No, that doesn't apply to everyone, but in a a lot of cases, it was overall worth it imo.

    1. aa lite profile image91
      aa liteposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is the changes may have improved quality, but they didn't bring the traffic back.  I think that's why people are frustrated with them. 

      Of course, better traffic could be just around the corner.  And I have to say that so far (touch wood), the EC hubs seem to be doing very well, so that might well be a change that will help at least some people.

    2. AMAZING THINKER profile image61
      AMAZING THINKERposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I am never leaving Hubpages. It's the best platform for writers to work their skills--you get feedback from other writers, you have forums t help you, and people are always ready to help.

      1. WryLilt profile image90
        WryLiltposted 4 years agoin reply to this

        No offence, but having been here two months, you've barely dipped your fingers in the online writing pool smile

    3. NateB11 profile image94
      NateB11posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Great advice. Basically the direction I'm going.

  8. christin53 profile image82
    christin53posted 4 years ago

    My advice would be to get your own website where you have control over the content. You can monetise it with Adsense. You could try Bubblews as well for shorter light hearted articles it pays well.

  9. WriteAngled profile image81
    WriteAngledposted 4 years ago

    Well I'm writing on a site that is returning 15-fold the earnings at HP with barely any effort on my part. I think you can all guess which one it is.

    Adsense earnings from my own sites are also currently standing at about 15-fold HP earnings so far this month, despite the fact that I am paid for clicks not impressions. Again, these sites have taken much less work than my hubs, because I do not impose stupid requirements on myself.

    Best of all, I need not fear that some uneducated, unqualified person working for pennies will remove my writing from the search engines.

  10. Rock_nj profile image93
    Rock_njposted 4 years ago

    Try writing your own blog.  Total freedom and you can live off of AdSense and ads from Amazon and other sources.  What is this latest ebay/amazon update?  Can you only have one add from these sources per Hub or is there another formula?  Thanks!

  11. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 4 years ago

    27 hubs....$4.53 to date.  Frustrating at first, for sure.

  12. profile image0
    swilliamsposted 4 years ago

    You are a exciting writer. I really enjoyed reading your mesmerizing articles. You have great insight on superhero articles among other topics, in which I can't wait to read more. I enjoy reading the work of Hubpage authors because they present in depth articles that I enjoy sharing with others. I have yet to find a social networking site that allows their writers to expand their knowledge in such a vivid nature. X-23 Costume History article is amazing. I don't believe I have ever seen article presented in such animated detail.  The HubPages is the best outlet to build your brand as writer without having to pay to publicize your work. Exploring your options sheds light on the truth. Continue to flourish, and don't fire patience my friend.

  13. lovebuglena profile image86
    lovebuglenaposted 4 years ago

    There are two new sites where you can use Amazon and earn from unique views. These are Daily Two Cents and Writedge.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image97
      Marisa Wrightposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      How long have you been there and what's the traffic like?

      I would be very wary of brand new article-writing sites.  The old sites, like Yahoo! Voices and Helium are closing for a reason - they haven't been able to make a profit since Panda, and see no prospect of ever recovering.  What hope do brand new domains with no reputation, no content and no backlinks have of succeeding where they failed?

      I'm sure there will be a raft of new sites started up to cater for ex-Yahoo and ex-Helium writers who want to continue writing but don't want the complications of HubPages capsules or having to manage their own affiliate accounts.  They may work for those writers, because those writers are used to earning peanuts.   I very much doubt they will ever do particularly well, in view of Google's stated dislike of content farms.

      If you're going to write there, make sure you retain ALL rights to your work (same as at HubPages) and that the site isn't going to claim first rights in perpetuity.

  14. mattforte profile image88
    mattforteposted 2 years ago

    First you go to Godaddy.com

    Then you go to Hostgator.com


    Then you can find everything you're looking for.

 
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