I wish HP would fix the old before implementing the new.

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   Cardisaposted 10 years ago

   I know there have been a lot of changes and I really appreciate that. I also am looking forward to the new hub layout...but...with disappointment.
   
   In any business, one must first make their assessment about what works and what doesn't. The things that don't work, you either fix them or get rid of them completely.
   
   Rolling out something new comes with mixed feeling for me, since some of the old things like stats don't work. After 8 years on the internet, HP isn't a new site anymore. We should NOT be dependent on Google Analytics to tell us how many page views we've had. The website where the hubs are published and where we get paid should be where we have an idea of how to manage our account.
   
   Some people will say that Google Analytics is more accurate, but that's not the point. HP needs to make the stats work so that people are more confident in publishing here.
   
   My suggestion: Fix what's broken before implementing a new feature.

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      brakel2posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Cardisa - I agree with you, except that the HP statistics count our own views as we edit or start on a new hub. How do you feel about the accuracy of our stats? You have been here longer than me, so I value your opinion. On Google Analytics, you can remove your own views by excluding your ISP number. I wish they would be accurate and we would not have to keep going to GA. Lately ,they have been behind by several days or even more. When we ask about the stats, the staff refers us to GA. Are they trying to tell us not to rely on our stats on HP, or are they working on making them better?  I wish we had an answer.

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         Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yes Brakel2, HP stats count our own views as we edit but, how often do we edit one hub in one day? I haven't edited a hub in several months. In so saying, I think I have a pretty clear idea of how many views that are counted as my own. I also never reply to a comment from the hub, but rather do it through the comments page in the accounts section.
         
         Most of the time I log in I check my accounts page, profile page to make sure everything is still there, and I browse the forums. I hardly ever really visit my hubs unless there is a link I need to fix. That way, I don't increase the stats unnecessarily. Of course when creating a new hub you must view how many views are already yours before publishing, Try to do all your edits beforehand so you have a clearer idea what's yours and what's not.
         
         Also, I really wish HP would stop telling us about GA, that's not where I publish hubs and that's not where I earn money. HP needs to invest in a proper stats software or something where stats update regularly. Let us worry about whether or not half of the page views belong to us.

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            Phyllis Doyleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Cardisa, I operate the same as you do. I reply to comments from the comment page of the account section. I only visit my hubs if there is a broken link to fix.
            
            I rarely check my stats on Google. I depend on HubPages for accurate stats, but apparently am not getting accurate stats from HP - therefore, I agree with all you say and I wish HP would fix current problems before implementing new changes.  There have been so many changes, yet old problems are not taken care of. It does not make sense to me.  With all the time spent on changes, hiring new staff, etc., HP would be far more efficient if they first fixed what is wrong with the system.
            
            Also, I believe far too much time is spent on revising or adding new features requested by new members. That really irritates me to see so many requests for new features that we really do not need - some of these requests are asking for what is on another site that someone was used to using. A great analogy of what I am referring to is: I love your country so I moved here, but, could you please change all your rules to make it like my old country?  Redundant ! 
            
            Thanks for bringing up this topic.

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               Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Phyllis, I agree about all the new features being requested by members. It seems HP. Some of these new features are not priority.

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               Lionrhodposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               There are plenty of requests that many of us agreed aren't needed. There are also plenty of pertinent requests that might go a long way toward  making HP more successful.
               
               I didn't move here because I love your country, but because (no disrespect to my NA ancestors) the rez got moved.
               
               Do I want it to be the same as my old country? No. Things there did and didn't work. Things here do and don't work. Feels like you're being overly dismissive.
               
               Do we need to get the stats fixed, and fixed what else might be broken? Sure. That's not a reason to stop considering innovation.

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                  Phyllis Doyleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  My apologies, Lionrhod - I did not mean to be "overly dismissive". It was during a week when I saw just far too many requests for insignificant changes and was slightly irritated. I am all for innovation and changes for the better. 

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      Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I would prefer to be able to view everything here on the site as well.  After all, the stats must be available as we get paid and they should, in every sense, match what is in GA.
      
      This is why I hate GA.  The below is what I get there no matter which one of my sites I am trying to view stats on.
      
      
      

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         Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Wow, that's hard Dayle. I've never had a problem with GA, but I do prefer to just check with HP.

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      PegCole17posted 10 years agoin reply to this

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         The Examiner-1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I agree Peg. lol

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   LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

   I am in agreement as well.  Seriously, how many times does one go into every hub, every day?  Yes, I go into mine, but I don't go into each hub so many times a day that I can't  estimate those visits.
   
   How many times have we been told that HP, Webmaster tools, and GA do their counting differently which is the answer given when hubbers have asked about such big differences in views between HP and GA, Webmaster tools because they show more views than HP does. 
   
   Now after almost of a week of stats not being update, we are told to go the very sites that HP  has always said, well they do their counting differently which is why there is a discrepancy.
   
   How about fix the old toys before you get the new toys and stop saying sorry but the dog ate my homework.

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   PurvisBobbi44posted 10 years ago

   They stated my stats were checked 10 hours ago---which I find that statement to be untrue---because four days ago that were at 248,324 and that is what they are now.
   
   It is no longer an easy place to put my content because when I do all my other hubs drop that were high to below 70's, and I longer understand what is going on when I add content to a hub it drops. If you cannot depend on your stats being up to date---then what?

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      Solarasposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      After 3 days, my "Ever" stats are the same as they were before they started updating again.  Not to mention that they went in reverse back in late September - early October.  How will I ever reach a million views like this?!??!? I should be reaching my own invented milestone of 250K views tomorrow, but that is now delayed til next week.
      
      I too prefer using HP stats to Google stats. I'd like to see stats getting updated every 2-3 hours, not once a day or twice a week.

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         Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Earlier this year my views were climbing and I estimated that within a month or two I would have reached the million views. I have been dawdling in the 700,000s for quite a number of months now. So frustrating!
         
         My traffic is worse than when I was a newbie. It has literally been split in half for the last few months.

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            Solarasposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I nominate you for 1 million views, and Sed-me for a perfect and permanent hubber score of 100.  These are changes that should be easy to implement.  Who will second me in my motion?

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               Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               lol
               +10000000000000000000

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            brakel2posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            My traffic is also similar to when I was a newbie. I will vote you a million views too. Writer Fox had good ideas. Where is he?

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               LindaSmith1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I never did have a ton of traffic, but 12 of my hubs are ranking decent in search engines, traffic so so, earnings were up, now everything in the toilet. 
               
               On top of that, we can't even see if our traffic is improving or net.

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   PurvisBobbi44posted 10 years ago

   I just checked and it states they were checked two hours earlier and the count is still 248,324. I really do not understand what is happening.

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   LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

   Mine says 2 hours ago, and nothing has moved for days.  The only thing updated is the monthly earnings. The message about updates......  changes when they do monthly earnings.  The only way we know if stats haven't been touched, if they have updated earnings is to keep track of visit totals

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   Cardisaposted 10 years ago

   Mine says 2 hours ago yet the actual figures have been stagnant for the past 4 days. The same red and blue arrows and the same numbers for each hub.

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      jansharesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      OMG, you are right, Cardisa. Mine says 31 minutes but the numbers and arrows are exactly the same as they have been for the last few days. I've never seen that before, a fake out update. "31 minutes" is very strange, minimum update is usually 2 hours. Thanks for this forum. You speak for most of us. I hate to admit it as I try to remain positive but as Michael Kismet said, my motivation has been affected.

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   Michael Kismetposted 10 years ago

   In total agreement with you Cardisa.  Acquiring Squidoo, new servers, new editors, new hub layouts--how about concentrating on running the site smoothly for a day?  That would be time well spent. 
   
   Because bugs, glitches and ongoing stat delays aren't just frustrating, it also undermines the motivation and incentive to write more hubs.

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      Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly my point. With all the new members there must be a strain on the system why the stats have been stagnant so frequently. I would have thought to concentrate on making things comfortable for all members before implementing any more changes.

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   LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

   Dale: I just tried and GA worked okay for me.

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      Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Still having the same issue, Linda.  May be the server I am being served up on.

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   PurvisBobbi44posted 10 years ago

   I empathize Dale because I get a message 1 Bad Default URL on My Analytics and I cannot fix it. My last nerve is sticking out of my head. I wish you good luck on fixing yours.

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      Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      No fix I can do.  It is a Google issue.  It used to work, lol.  I have six sites there including HP.

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         Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Clear your browser cache and see what happens.

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            Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Just gave that a whirl and the same problem.

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    LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

    Dale: I don't know.  I use Chrome.

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    paradigmsearchposted 10 years ago

    HubPages is both a fun hobby and a job; a rare combination indeed.
    
    As long as that income keeps rolling in, I really don't give a flaming fark about anything else.
    
    Besides, every time HP messes up, it gives us something entertaining to do when we poke them with a stick about it.
    
    @HP Just keep being you.

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       Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Wow, just put "flaming fark" into a Google image search! Eureka!

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          paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Who knew?

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             Dale Hydeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I like number three, haha!

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                Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                That's funny
                Hijacking my own thread here but this got my attention: "well, for all intensive purposes, I too am lack toast and tolerant." A comment from one of the posters in that forum.

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                   paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   I've never cared where my threads wandered. In fact, I considered it fun. What was your thread about? I've lost track.

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