The New "See Also" feature.

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   Jodahposted 8 years ago

   I hate the positioning of the new "See  Also" feature at the bottom of the hub, placed immediately after the hub content an before "Recommended Hubs". It's positioning gives the impression the links would be to other hubs of the same author perhaps, but in fact they are avertisements. I feel it would be better located after the "Recommended Hubs" section. I also don't find the capsule attractive being blocked in black. Interested to find out what others think.

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      Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I do not find any "See Also" feature. After my hub content, it is "more in this series" section which highlights my own hubs. And, then comes the "Recommended Hubs" section where other hubs are portrayed by google adsense.
      So, I am unable to see any problem here. I tested my hubs just now, and found the same features as mentioned by me.

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         Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Hmm strange Venkat, It only seems to appear o some hubs an not others. Maybe it is only new ones.

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            Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            But, I could not find "see also" on any of my hubs while I went through another search just now to locate it.
            May be one or two rare cases, where they try to insert such feature in order to drag audience for increasing their own revenue.

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            peachpurpleposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            i only see "Recommended Hubs " and More by this author" which features all my hubs

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      tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I do not see any 'See Also'. At the right linearly downward first is 'Latest in [Selected Topic] with 3 hubs. Following the Hub is 'More in this Series' for the before and after of the hub within the Hub Group. Below that is 'Recommended Hubs' with the scroll feature with 20 Hubs available.

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         Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I am at a loss then to understand why I can see this on hubs and no one else can..weird!. I have never seen these before.

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            Faith Reaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hi John, I don't see what you're seeing either. Just ...More, which are my hubs, and then Recommended and Latest to the right. Odd that you are the only one so far to have that showing. Are you sure it is not the Recommended, which sounds like it may be the same feature? If not, hopefully Matthew of HP will address it.

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               Faith Reaperposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I just saw it today on one of my hubs ...the ad that is all black and says "See Also" which is a bit deceptive as I was thinking it was more hubs, but then at closer look, they are different ads.  With so many more of our hubs now showing up on individual hubs, I guess they have to squeeze the ads in there somewhere?  Wonder why they are in all black though ...

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            Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It's really weird in your case, John. Did you input any HTML in your appearances? How could it be like that only in your case? Neither Faith Reaper nor Tim Mitchell nor myself have these "See More" hubs. Let us wait for Matthew's reply and see what he says.

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            tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Okay Jodah I see it. It took awhile to load. I think I was not patient enough before. That has been there for awhile, though I do not know how long. That is an 'AdChoices' Module, which I believe is part of the HubPages advertisement program. Since I don't really understand totally the earnings program I am not sure how I feel about it.

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            sallybeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Jodah,
            You are not seeing them Jodah, they appear on my HOTD today.  Nasty little black strips which are deemed to take anyone right of the page in seconds.

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               Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you for your confirmation that I am not seeing things Sally. My main problem with them is the positioning and the fact that the feature is "ugly" and directs readers immediately away from the hub before reading related hubs or others by the same author.

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                  sallybeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I completely agree, prior to this I saw only my own Hubs in almost every case.

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            bravewarriorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I see them John. The only thing that gives them away as ads is the little arrow pointing to the right just above the box.

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      cam8510posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I have "See Also" advertisements immediately following my hub content but not consistently.  I checked three of my hubs and the "See Also" ads appeared in two.  In the third, there was an ad in that space, but not the title, "See Also."
      
      I feel the work of the author of the hub should take priority over ads and should be shown first.

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         Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Cam, I needed the confirmation that someone else was getting this, I was starting to think I was going crazy. I tried to copy one of the hubs where it was showing an the space where the "See Also" feature was on the original came up blank on the copied page. Weird.

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            tillsontitanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I just looked at three of my hubs and the words "See Also" aren't there, but the ads are.  Makes you wonder??
            I agree the work of the author should come first, but, there is that dollar thing!

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         Venkatachari Mposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         But ads are there in most of the hubs after the hub content. It is clearly visible that they are ads only and so should not impact the image of the hubs.

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            Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            The problem is that it comes directly at the end of the hub giving the impression that it is more related information by the author rather than ads, especially as there are only titles an no pictures. If it came after "related Hubs" I wouldn't have an issue with it.

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               sallybeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Those are exactly my thoughts, would not mind so much if they came after the related stuff.

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      Max Havlickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Judah: You asked for response, so I'll offer it. 
      
      It is well documented that "hate" is counter-productive rhetoric.  Textbooks on writing nonfiction exposition advise against it and consider it the last resort.  The writer of "hate" and similar derogatory verbiage, whether it's the case or not, appears to want control of everything: the press, the judge, the jury, and also be the prosecuting attorney spreading the same attitude in the name of gathering sympathetic witnesses. 
      
      You're a prolific writer, Jodah, increasing in skill as you take more advantage than most others of the outstanding work HubPages does organizing this very complex venue.  If you really feel impelled to complain so bitterly about them, maybe a private communication with them would work better. I've seen no sign they are not reasonable people trying as best they can to be good friends to writers.
      Max, Saturday afternoon, Sept. 5, 2015

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         Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you for you input and advice Max. Yes, perhaps you are right and I could have chosen a more appropriate word than "Hate." Others may actually like the feature as it is part of the ad program and therefore is there to make money. I commend Hub Pages on continually trying to improve and promote the site and realise the need to try new things. My only real issues here are the appearance (an ugly black strip filled with text) and location of these ads and that they are not clearly that at first glance. They should be after "related hubs." p.s. It's Jodah, not Judah (I see you corrected that later in your comment)

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         Max Havlickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         My apologies for the typo "Judah."  Don't worry, Jodah, I make my share of mistakes too!
         Continuing best wishes to you and all your friends,  Max

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      tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jodah for some more input. I hopped some hubs based on Hubber Scores and those I know with a high level of views. Firstly, not all hubs had that module / capsule. I  noticed some were presented as 'See Also' and also I saw it as 'Sponsored'. Importantly a discovery is 'Ad-Blockers' affected what I saw with my exploration. McAfee posted a warning for ads I had to disable. When I did the module appeared and in some instances the format changed from black and white to a colored version.
      
      I also noted 'Four Different' capsule formats. Too, when I checked at one of my hubs it was differen in format twice at it. Maybe there are more. One as we have seen is black and white in a rectangle. If you look really, really close you will notice the number is in a pentagon a darker shade than the suggested topic / title. The next was a rectangle and the field was a light blue with black lettering.
      
      Another with the title 'Sponsored' was different. It was still a rectangle, but the Numbers were white in a blue field. The field was a triangular pentagon pointing toward the topic / title suggested. The topic / title suggestion remained in black.
      
      Another version for the number was a pentagon as a red field. Also, it was inverted so the information title pointed toward the number. That field was blue.
      
      Take note that the suggested topic / title seems to be with relevancy. The more relevant the article is with a product for the content the more relevant those suggestions are. Take note information itself is a product so a particular subject does bear weight.
      
      For instance at my 'creative' hubs those 'See Also' are all over the place kinda'. My How-To article for a bird bath in the garden the suggestions were directly related to birdbaths and gardens. I saw that as a trend while hopping hubs too. To see try hopping a subject / topic like aquarium.

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      bravewarriorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't like the black either, John. However, because it's so unattractive, I know they're ads and won't click on them. "See Also" is very deceiving. The verbiage leads one to believe they are links to similar topics within HP. I think the block should be placed to the right way at the bottom below anything relating to HP articles.

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      moonlakeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I see them on some of my hubs, but not all. I hate them.

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