Anybody else noticed the change in hub scores?

1. 69

   makingamarkposted 9 years ago

   I've been making a screendump of my overall hub stats each day to try and keep track of what's going on so I can work out "what works on HubPages" and what doesn't. The aim is to determine some sort of priority about what to do next.
   
   Up until now I've been focused on the traffic data and the endless emails about unfeatured hubs
   
   Now what I've noticed is the really BIG differences in hub scores which seem to bear little relationship to whether or not a hub is featured.  About which absolutely nothing has been said that I'm aware of.
   
   To characterise communication around here as being confusing and contradictory and completely missing is an understatement.

   replyreport
   1. 85

      tsmogposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Unsure if this helps or not? This is from when I deleted all my Hubs at the first of the year. Now, I have only 7, so that data probably will not contribute. However for perusal below is a summary of that csv file. Bear in mind my social media / Google traffic was 67% / 33%.
      
      Status → Hub Cnt → Score Avg → 30-Day Traffic → Ever Traffic
      Featured → 82 → 73 → 95% → 68%
      UnFeaturd → 39 → 67→ 5% → 32%
      Grand Total → 121 → 71 → 100% → 100%

      replyreport
      1. 83

         peachpurpleposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         may I know how did you get that scores? I don't find them in my hub stats

         replyreport
         1. 85

            tsmogposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Hello peachpurple :-) Do you mean the overall Hub Score average?  It is at the bottom of the individual Hub Scores at the 'My Account Page'. As far as the average for Featured and Unfeatured I download that page with the .csv download queue located just above the Edit queues at the left of the stats. It will become a spreadsheet if you have MS Excel. If I am just doing a quicky for this or that I use that .csv file spreadsheet. I do the math myself. If I want to do something extensive I 'save as' an Excel File format.

            replyreport
2. 61

   Mark Ewbieposted 9 years ago

   I hadn't looked at my hub scores for about four years.
   
   It might be good if they replaced them with a ranking system of a chicken, a hamster and a boiled egg.
   
   Then it would be more useful.

   replyreport
   1. 94

      SmartAndFunposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      +1

      replyreport
   2. 80

      LuisEGonzalezposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
      

      replyreport
      1. 88

         Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Funny

         replyreport
   3. 61

      TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good idea. Possibly more informative, too.

      replyreport
3. 91

   Will Apseposted 9 years ago

   I am about to slump into the unacceptable eighties after being in the nonchalant nineties for years.
   
   I reckon the crackdown on Amazon is to blame.
   
   I cannot even imagine what the seventies are about.

   replyreport
   1. 69

      makingamarkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I think you're talking about Hubber score and I was talking about hub scores. I usually pay no attention to them as they've always struck me as being pretty meaningless however they are currently excelling on that score

      replyreport
      1. 88

         Jodahposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I misread that as well. Yes with hub scores I have noticed no correlation between scores and featured status. I have hubs with scores of 65 featured and hubs as high as 89 not featured. Obviously engagement is the key.

         replyreport
      2. 91

         Will Apseposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I think hubber score comes directly out of page scores, so I was partially on the ball, if a little fuddled (birthday party).

         replyreport
4. 88

   Jodahposted 9 years ago

   My hub score was up to 95, but alternating between that and down to 89 for a few weeks. Since the change of domains it dropped to 85 the lowest for about two years. Has since risen again to 89 but I have been editing some older hubs, deleting Amazon capsules etc so don't know if that has had any effect.

   replyreport
5. 81

   ILoveLegosTooposted 9 years ago

   I would have hoped that a Hub Score and a Hubber Score would indicate how well you comply with the site rules.  The scores would then give you an indication of you doing something right or something wrong. 
   
   Unfortunately, it feels more like a high school popularity contest.  I feel this way because I used to have Hub Scores above 90, now those same hubs barely make it out of the 70's.  As your Hubber Score goes lower and lower, it drags down your Hub Score, which makes your Hubber Score go lower, which drags down your Hub Score...
   
   Not sure how to stop the spiral...updating doesn't get you a better score, more traffic since the domain change made the scores go lower, decreasing the number of violations made the scores go down, decreasing the number of bad links made the scores go down, and so on...

   replyreport
6. 75

   Silva Hayesposted 9 years ago

   I noticed this: generally, if I was notified of a hub that suddenly became unfeatured, and I deleted the Amazon capsule, the hub then became featured.

   replyreport
   1. 61

      TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think Google doesn't like product articles as it sees them as marketing ploys. I seldom, if ever, write about products. To date, have never had an unfeatured article. My hub scores range from 70 to 99. My hubber score from about 93 to 97.

      replyreport
      1. 81

         ILoveLegosTooposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I disagree that Google doesn't like product articles.  I have several in my portfolio that do quite well this time of year despite the restrictions imposed here and a really low hub score. 
         
         I really don't know what HP is chasing with all the restrictions as no one looking for a list of Halloween costumes or gift guides wants a 300 word oratory on the subject, they want to see ideas and where to find them for sale.   Too bad, because it blends in well with a lot of other articles.

         replyreport
         1. 61

            TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Um, your hubber score is 48. We were talking about hub scores and hubber scores. There has to be a reason for the scores, and that reason has to be related to how well they would do or whether they're about popular or unpopular topics or whether they fit with google specifications. I don't know what those specifications are, but they aren't thumbsucked.

            replyreport
            1. 69

               makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Actually the thread is all about HUB scores (I know - I started it!)
               
               For some reason people don't seem to understand that a hub score is not the same thing as a hubber score - hence lots of irrelevant comments.

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I realize that, and I know the difference, but we don't know that the hubber score isn't affected by the hub scores, and I can't see your hubscores. In any event, if your hubber score if 48, what's your average score for your hubs. If they were all 100, then I am befuddled. I've just always assumed that the hubscore and the hubber score, while not the same thing, are related. I might be wrong, of course.

                  replyreport
                  1. 69

                     makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm not sure they are - I've seen much bigger movements on hub scores (i.e. the topic of this thread) than hubber scores.
                     
                     Mind you that's only my perspective - others might have a different experience

                     replyreport
            2. 81

               ILoveLegosTooposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Really?  I have traffic and sales on hubs with scores much lower than my hubber score that shows the relationship between hub scores and hubs google sends traffic to have no relationship whatsoever.   I also have hubs with scores much higher than my hubber score that receive no traffic at all.  It really is too bad that the scores don't reflect reality.

               replyreport
            3. 99

               DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You have that very wrong. When hubber scores were based on traffic, I always had 100, as did relache and many others. Now that it is not my hubber score has dropped, but my writings have not changed, nor has the average hub score.
               It has nothing to do with success with google. The scores are given without rhyme or reason.

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  The scores are not without rhyme or reason. While you may not know what those reasons are, they are there. And none of my scores have dropped, so I'm trying to help here and see where the differences are But I'll butt out.

                  replyreport
7. 94

   SmartAndFunposted 9 years ago

   I use my own scoring system and do not waste time worrying about HP's meaningless numbers.
   
   Here's my system:
   
   Featured and getting traffic = 100
   Unfeatured = 0
   
   That's all there is to it. Why waste time and mental energy trying to play HP's silly score game when it has been pointed out over and over that HP's scoring system is a meaningless mystery?

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Mark Ewbieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      +1

      replyreport
   2. 99

      DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Is your scoring system patented? If not, I think we all need to use it.
      I have to check when someone brings this subject up, and the results are amazing. After edit by the HubPro, and after over a quarter million views, I have a hub with a 65. Another, that has sat quietly and only has 2000 views after over 3 years, I have a hub score of 91.
      Make any sense?
      If your scoring system is patented I think I will have to go with the hamster and egg scoring system.

      replyreport
8. 82

   Ilonagardenposted 8 years ago

   I, too, have been trying to stem the fall of my scores. Sometimes updating simply results in unfeatured status.
   
   I've been correcting some of the unfeatured hubs by deleting most all of the links and ebay capsules, and getting rid of Amazon capsules even when there is no alert that there are too many ( coming from Squidoo, that has been a problem with my hubs).
   
   I used to be that updating, commenting, etc. would raise my profile score, but that doesn't seem to correlate any more.
   
   I have been removing hubs that I could not get featured no matter what I did. Maybe removing those hubs resulted in a lower profile score.
   
   I can say that traffic does not figure into either the hubscore or the featured status on certain of my hubs, maybe all of them.

   replyreport
   1. 82

      sallybeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I seem to have managed to maintain the same average for months.  The changes seem to have made little or no difference.

      replyreport
      1. 82

         Ilonagardenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Have you deleted any of your hubs?

         replyreport
         1. 82

            sallybeaposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            No, have not deleted any of my hubs.

            replyreport
9. 91

   Will Apseposted 8 years ago

   And I thought I drove people crazy with my egotism...

   replyreport
   1. 99

      DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I was tempted to make a nasty reply when I read that egotistical comment (how dare we use HER thread for something that we feel is important!) but I thought I would leave it to the HP forum moderators. Isnt what their job is all about?

      replyreport
      1. 69

         makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         ...as opposed to starting a new thread for something you feel is important rather than derailing the existing one?
         
         "Stick to the Topic: Please stay on the thread’s topic when replying to an existing thread. If you don’t see an open thread about something you’d like to discuss, please open a new thread."
         http://hubpages.com/faq/#forums-violations

         replyreport
         1. 99

            DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Since you are such an authority on the information contained in the FAQ, you should consult them before starting a thread. Maybe then HRH would not even feel it necessary.

            replyreport
   2. 61

      TessSchlesingerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Are you talking about me? Wow.

      replyreport
      1. 91

         Will Apseposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry, that was one of those moments when real life interfered with the virtual world. I was halfway through some comment not especially aimed at anyone when the phone rang and I just abandoned it. Must have hit submit by mistake.

         replyreport
10. 81

    ILoveLegosTooposted 8 years ago

    My hubber score dropped to 46 today (only thing I did was make a few comments on the forums), so I must know less than I did yesterday when it was 48.  It really hits a nerve when your judged by your score and not the experiences you bring to the table.
    
    Anyways, back to the topic on hand.  I think it's ridiculous that I don't have a single hub with a score over 75, when those same hubs had scores in the 90s not more than a year ago.  That tells me something is broken with the scoring system.  I also know what works with what I want to share, and can see the results even with featured hubs whose scores are in the 30s.  I'm sure at some point these will become unfeatured, but for now, they bring in traffic and you can see the clickouts so they provide value.  An article doesn't need to have thousands of words to be quality, it needs to have focus and deliver what is promised in the title.

    replyreport
    1. 69

       makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Did you miss the thread when they explained how they were changing the scoring system and everybody's hub scores would drop as a result?

       replyreport
       1. 83

          Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Everybody knows hub scores and hubber score are meaningless. Look at your own Hubber Score to see the validity of that statement.

          replyreport
          1. 99

             DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

             I could not understand those negative comments about hubber score to ILoveLegosToo. That person bragging about her score in the high 90s can drop to his level before she knows it, and then she will complain that the system is flawed.
             (BTW, I thought the system was fine back when I had 100!)

             replyreport
             1. 83

                Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                I have no clue why mine stays in the 90s.  No reason for it at all; my Hub Scores all blow.  Maybe we are in an alternate universe where fair is foul and foul is fair.

                replyreport
                1. 99

                   DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                   I have an alternative back yard that I visit when I get tired of seeing my hubber score. All of my fowl smell fowl, and since my hubber score keeps going down I have to visit that back yard a lot.

                   replyreport
                   1. 83

                      Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                      I had forgotten about your fowl and their feed; seems B used to pay for their food. Are they fancy fowl? Please post photos - elsewhere of course lol.

                      replyreport
                      1. 99

                         DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                         Definitely NOT fancy. I have a big flock of guinea fowl (a type of chicken from Africa) because they fly and can escape all normal predators, as long as they come home at night.
                         I have some pictures of them over at my Pinterest board about chickens.
                         (You do realize I will probably get reported and banned from the forums for even mentioning this, right?)

                         replyreport
                         1. 83

                            Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                            I have a friend with Guinea hens, or at least she had them. They eat ticks, and she was having an issue with them (ticks).  Sadly they can't escape border collie predators. I know she had lost a lot of hens the last time we talked about them. They are pretty birds!
                            
                            They should not ban you, cause I can't find your chicken board. lol

                            replyreport
                            1. 81

                               WriteAngledposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                               It's really not difficult. If you throw the following search terms into Google, you are there with the no. 1 hit: pinterest drmark1961 chickens

                               replyreport
                               1. 83

                                  Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                  Funny - I was searching in Pinterest.  Of course Google would get it right away. Thank you.

                                  replyreport
11. 83

    Solarasposted 8 years ago

    The Forums used to be a lot of fun, lively and informative.  We all understood "Threaded" and we could launch into discussions about chocolate chip cookies or whatever with brief tangential excursions, induced by the natural flow of conversation. 
    
    Then Forum Nazis arrived to tell us how to converse with each other.  Like some perversion of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang or Gradgrind in Hard Times.

    replyreport
    1. 61

       Mark Ewbieposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I agree.  I don't need telling this that and the other - no matter how much the teller thinks of their own opinion.

       replyreport
12. 91

    Will Apseposted 8 years ago

    I just plummeted into the awful eighties.
    
    Woe is me.
    
    I know the culprit pages but they are good earners and they are staying.

    replyreport
    1. 83

       Solarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Have you been updating your hubs as advised, to help re-index them?  That will usually do it.

       replyreport
13. 72

    LeanManposted 8 years ago

    Supposedly the hubscore is reliant mainly on traffic as well as a few other factors such as whether it was actually read... However there is only one factor that bothers me and that is how much traffic does the hub get from Google.. Anything else quite frankly is irrelevant. If google likes it, and the readers like it then I don't give a rat's hoot about whether it has a high score or not.......
    I see scores that vary by 15 points from one day to the next when nothing is changed. Hubs for which changes that should improve them result in 10 point drops in scores and so forth... So why bother about them!!
    I have lost track of the number of threads that there have been over the years moaning about them..

    replyreport
    1. 94

       Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       HP significantly reduced the impact of traffic on scores some time back. There was an announcement about it.
       
       But yeah, the important things is that hubs are doing well, scores are meaningless.

       replyreport
       1. 85

          Chriswillman90posted 8 years agoin reply to this

          100% agree. I mean yeah I guess it's nice to see a score in the 90's or even that perfect 100 but so what if it doesn't see any traffic. It's great if your main purpose is to perfect your hub/writing skills but not so much if you want some views/money out of it.

          replyreport