Allow Member HTML codes for Hubpages Hosted Advertising
- FootballNutposted 8 years ago
0With the Ad Program service Hubpages offer, to benefit all writers and Hubpages what is the possibility of allowing Hubpage members access to the hosted Adverts in the Hubpages Ad Program?
Is there potential that members of this site can add the hosted adverts HTML codes/javascripts on their own personal websites, and continue the 60/40% share on such adverts with Hubpages?
If members can add a personal site or more to their profile on here, then hubpages grant members access to the advertising platform codes, members can then display hubpages hosted adverts on their sites and share the revenue with hubpages.
For this to happen Hubpages would have to have a vetting process to insure that the sites that show their hosted codes are up to scratch/meet the criteria, it would also mean that Hubpages would have to allow the advertisers that they host advertise on behalf of the option of which type of sites they would like to advertise on, if any.
Vetting the sites of members for quality and other criterias would put work on the hubpages staffing team, however it can dramatically be reduced by the facilities that hubpages already have in use on this website, that I don't believe is getting used to it's full potential.
If we imagine hubpages allow us, and their advertisers have agreed to us placing hubpages hosted adverts on our websites, hubpages will not only benefit from views on this website, they will benefit from all views on all websites that have passed the vetting criterias.
Then what could happen is, the little search box that is displayed on all of hubpages pages will become our main search engine.
What is meant by this is, the search feature on this website is operated by google. Hubpages have this custom search engine set so that it only shows results from the hubpages website. This search facility can be opened up, Hubpages can add URL's to websites that are showing their hosted adverts on to that custom search facility (our sites with their hosted adverts on).
This means instead of just hubpages results being displayed it will show results for hubpages members websites too, as long as they have passed the vetting criteria and display hubpages hosted ad codes.
So all the results will not only be for this website, they will be for all our sites (the hubpage members) that show hubpages ads, this benefits hubpages massively as the share rate will still be 60/40%.
If this was put in place, then all hubpage members used the search box on hubpages to find out things that they search on search engines for, it would benefit us all, and I have no doubt that if we all had our sites included in the search results between us we could find out any information we require, just like we can on google etc. The purpose of this would be to use hubpages as our main search engine so we all benefit from it.
The vetting process as mentioned above would put a strain on Hubpages staff some say (I don't think it would that much), because beings their search facility is google operated that would help cut out a lot of the vetting as google will only show the best results across all our sites, the poor quality content will not be displayed in the search, so this helps hubpages.
We can also help their staff by reporting violations on sites that we find when we conduct searches.
Hubpages biggest task in making this happen would be too get the advertisers of their hosted adverts to agree to being exposed across multiple sites that have been vetted by hubpages, instead of only being shown on pages that have been vetted by hubpages on hubpages pages.
Some might say Hubpages will not do this because they have no control over the content displayed on our sites, the solution here is hubpages do not need control of content, they have control of the ad codes that we would display so can disable and enable codes depending on if our sites are misbehaving.
The cost of this would be something Hubpages would have to look into, however all I see it being is them giving us trackable codes, then adding our websites to their okay list for showing search results on here. Obviously there is more to it that that as sites will need to be vetted, sites would only need to be vetted once though, the first time we submit them, if they're pass then we misbehave the behaviour of their ad codes will inform them that a certain site is misbehaving, therefore they can remove the code from that certain site and contact their member.
The question is how many hubpages users have their own website and would be willing to add hubpages hosted ads to their site (another way to monitor and earn)? If hubpages offered this I would actually remove all google adsense from my website and put hubpages ads in as they seem to perform better.
A solution to better traffic is to create our own search world that only has our stuff on it, and between hubpages, our own sites and google custom search we can conquer that, all we would then need to do is only use hubpages for searches, if no search results come back for a search you do then you have just found your perfect next article to research and write about.
If Hubpages looked into opening their hosted ad platform and their search facility that only shows results to sites that have their hosted ads on, they will not lose anything they will still earn 40% no matter if it is a hubpage that a searcher diverts to or a website with hubpages ads on.
The reasoning for this forum post is because of the way keywords are no longer that beneficial, which I have wrote an article about.I suggested this to HP over a year ago. They ignored me.
It makes sense to have something like this though.
Only just joined and it became immediately apparent they're missing a trick here, didn't realise it had already been suggested. Maybe if enough people that contribute to hubpages got behind this they would have no choice but to help us more, which in turn will then help them even more in the long run, or at least explain to us why this is not possible.
It would be our search engine community, that we can encourage non members to use, plus we will all get better rankings on search engines outside our community search engine, which again would benefit hubpages as they would have their ad codes on our sites, if we chose to add them of course.
Furthermore we could also add the hubpages search box to our sites to support each other even more, obviously all this would be site owners choice and not be compulsory.Even though when I made the suggestion way back when the CPM was double what it is now, I still agree.
And I've made suggestions before which were ignored, but then were "suddenly" implemented a year later.
And your suggestion is much more descriptive and expanded than mine was. Mine was simply about adding the JavaScript ad code to our sites, etc.
Who knows? Maybe HP will take notice this time.
The chances are they will not if similar suggestions have been made. Who knows though, I should imagine if they don't act members will drop off like flies and take their content elsewhere.
Guess we will just have to hope and pray that everything picks up. Ranking on search engines is gonna be impossible soon given media and wikipedia sites are gradually taking over every first page in the results, so hubpages will suffer more and more if they don't act, "In-House Search Engine Community" which is simply made up of hubpages pages, our sites and google custom search, is what I would like to see implemented.
Our agreements with our advertising partners and networks would not permit this, and we do not have the resources to ensure a consistent formatting, quality, and standard of writing across multiple sites. People have the option to put their content from their own sites on HubPages after removing it from Google's index if they wish to earn from it with HP Ads.
Is there no way Hubpages would in effect tell google to do one and drop off of google (where you're getting less and less traffic from judging by what I have read in forums on here) and then source a new traffic stream (such as VISITOR searching, which is a pretty big these days)? And earn just an income from HP Ads and from other ad platforms?
It seems Hubpages are doing everything they can to please google but as individual authors we do not benefit from the traffic it sounds like, because as individuals we get little, but hubpages benefits because it gets little from all of us.
Have the advertisers been asked previously? If they did agree though would hubpages invest in this site by creating their own search facility and re-branding the site as search facility suppose to branding it as a place to earn for writing? It has always been branded as a place to earn for writing, now though Hubpages has writers and has tons and tons of content that is not being seen so the site is not moving forward it is going backwards. Would sending a new fresh message out to visitors of this site be a good suggestion instead of keep branding the site as it being for writers to earn, writers and content are here right now, Hubpages need to step up and take the site forward instead of doing everything they can to please google in return for them only allowing content of quality on this site to be found by luck on their search engine platform behind news media websites and wikipedia, the rest of the traffic on here seems to be member generated?
There are potential solutions to problems in doing this in the comments on this thread. The only issue is arrangements with advertisers. Sticking with the best paid ones though that won't allow you to do this is going to cause more harm than good!! Shop around, there are advertisers that will allow you to do it, the principle amount of earnings may be slightly less but at least it will be ongoing, it seems hubpages are sticking with the highest paying ones to earn as quick as possible, then if the site dies off it won't matter hubpages have made their money!!
Sure you can launch a program called something like HubSence and host adverts for companies, then distribute codes to HubSence partner sites (ours on here), then include HubSense partner site links in amongst search results with hubs that are written).
Have hubpages attempted to get investors on board in an attempt to cut free from google and get their brand out there/take hubpages to the next level instead of keep relying on lucky search engine results?
Youtube to show live football........
Is this not the start of googles REAL dominance as mentioned in this thread?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36279287
My concern with this is that you say sites would only need to be vetted once. But what is to stop members from creating a site suitable to pass inspection - then as soon as they're approved, they start posting about prohibited subjects, or add other affiliate advertising that HubPages doesn't approve of?
The ad codes would pick up on this.
For example if I created a website to just pass the vetting process and my site was just say about football/soccer, the ads shown by hubpages on my site will be football/soccer related as the codes are targeted adverts to do with the content being displayed.
If I then changed my site after passing the vetting to say a porn site, there would be no targeted ads as Hubpages do not have advertisers of this nature.
This means Hubpages will not be earning no revenue through the codes on my site, they will then be able to see my site is not performing for them and will see I changed it to a prohibited natured site, one click ban me.
Not only that, as we would be using this as our community search engine, members can report sites to hubpages that are violating, this will help their staffing team a lot to, they help us we help them, community spirit.Another idea is the hubpages home page.
Would it be a good suggestion to have just a search bar on the homepage, no post of the day, popular/best posts etc on that page, put that on a different page?
What I mean by this is, people that are not part of this community will come here then to conduct searches, they will see it as a site that can tell them something they want to know rather than landing on the current homepage and seeing it as a site where people write to earn an income.
Imagine if hubpages laid the homepage out like that, we would all be behind the scenes but when visitors search our results will appear, at the moment they land on the homepage and see what hubpages want them to see, rather than seeing this site as a search engine/information source.
Would it not be better if they never saw what hubpages wants them to see on the homepage as that is distracting them from seeing what they wanted to see, ie just put a search bar on the homepage that way visitors will search the hubpages directory and get results for information they are seeking.
Just throwing ideas out.But WHY would they come here to conduct searches? Currently, the only people who arrive at the home page are writers - either existing members, or writers looking to join up. Virtually all HubPages' traffic comes directly to an individual Hub or profile from the search engines or social networks, and there is no reason for those visitors to go to the home page.
How are you going to change that?Exactly, it is not being used to it's full potential.
The answer to why they would come here to conduct searches is because there is thousand and thousand and thousands of information on this website that people look for every day but they only find the information of odd pages on search engines. So thousands and thousands and thousands is not getting the attention it deserves.
This website should be branded as a search engine not a platform for writers. The writers should be in the background. If hubpages promoted this website as a search engine people will start using it to conduct searches and may even save the hubpages search engine as their main search/information seeking site. Whilst in the background us lot are working away writing content to make sure them searchers are getting the information they require. Promoting hubpages as place just for writers is holding this website back. Promoting it as just for writers means only writers will use it, whereas promoting it as a information seeking site would attract people who are looking for information, they then do searchers then find information written by us the members. To change it is simple, remove the current homepage and just have a search bar on it, with maybe a little link saying become a writer.
If you never heard of this website and needed information about something and landed on this sites home page that displays editors choice, hub of the day etc with linked images to hubs that have nothing to do with what you wanted information on the chances are you will leave. If there is a nice big search bar and nothing else on that page the chances are you will search for the information, then who benefits? The authors of the hubs that display on the custom search results pages.I really have to agree that the HubPages home page does not encourage outsiders (i.e., people who are not wanting to join as writers and are just looking for info) to come in and browse. The same hubs tend to appear month after month. When I joined many months ago, that snot article was popular, as well as the military diet.
I have never seen a hub pages article on Facebook nor have I ever seen hubs on the Yahoo home page. This is really frustrating; I have the max number of friends and about 250 followers, and no one knows what HubPages is. I feel like I am literally the one person out of 5,200 driving readers to HubPages.
I wouldn't mind it so much if we were allowed to publish our articles in more than one place, so we could at least make a name. We could still drive traffic back to HubPages. As an unknown author, it is really frustrating for me to have to grant exclusive rights for literally pennies.
I just set up a quick custom search engine with only hubpages URL in.
Imagine this page was customised by hubpages, it displays their logo etc (I have not added it as it would be copyright infringements). But just imagine this page is set up branded as hubpages and is the homepage for hubpages.
https://cse.google.co.uk/cse/publicurl? … ukzkbeq_lk
What would be better is if you and others if you have them give me links to your own websites, that have the hubpages Ad Program adverts displayed on, I can then add such links to the custom search engine. Showing your sites results in with hubpages results, it will not matter to hubpages if searchers divert to our sites as the sites added to the custom search will display hubpages adverts so they don't lose nothing, they gain by having more exposure on their hosted adverts.
If you do a example search on that link the results may pop up in a different window, that is only because it is not embedded in a site. The results will come up on a normal page if embedded.That doesn't address my point.
Yes, HubPages could set up its Homepage with a custom search as you suggest. BUT what good would it do, if no one ever visits the page to see the search box? You have to solve that problem first before it can have any value.You can not solve that problem until changes are made.
Firstly, they can promote it as a search engine rather than a place where thousands of people write content that no one other than their community will see.
Hubpages have twitter and social media pages to announce they are a search engine.
The promotion of the site would be their problem not ours, it is down to them to invest in their business and get the message out there that this is a search site.
As for adding value to the home page that no one sees, it has none or has little at the moment yet we as writers still keep writing in the hope that we get found above millions of other sites on search engines. If you think it has no value because no one ever visits the page then in theory what your saying is editor's choices, hubs of the day are not gaining value from being plastered on the homepage, there must be value in that though as hubpages continue to add such content to the home page, but it is not as much value as it could be.
It will not take long for the many writers to get the word out there that we use hubpages as our main search facility, along with hubpages promoting their new angle of what this site is. No one heard of yahoo, bing, google, or other search engine sites until them sites done something to get their brand seen. If anything hubpages is in a better position as them sites done it without social media being as big so it cost them money, now everyone has social media so messages can get out there for free.No I do not see any real value in having Hubs featured on the home page! However, as I'm sure you know, Google dislikes home pages which contain no useful information, so there is value from that perspective. Also, remembering that the home page exists to entice prospective members, highlighting the existence of awards is one way to attract them to sign up.
I do think you're being naive to think that HubPages can just decide to turn itself into a search engine, up against the might of Google and Bing. It is a small company and the active community is quite small, so the potential for promoting the idea isn't as great as you think.A small community that is going to get smaller and smaller if the benefits of giving Hubpages our content does not return worthwhile rewards.
Google does not like home pages which contains no useful information, firstly have you seen the google homepage?
The only value of showing awards on the homepage is to the authors of the hubs that get placed on the homepage. It is of absolute no use to a searcher or someone that lands on that homepage that is not looking for the information that Hubpages grants as being the hub of the day, they leave.
With the points you have made can I ask you "who is Hubpages target audience?"
Is it people that seek information?
Is it people that want to write for the purpose of hoping to get at least one hub out of many ranking?
Is it people that want to write just so others on Hubpages can see it?
In effect it is already a search engine so if wouldn't be turning itself into one. You go to search engines to find things out. You use the hubpages search thing to find things out, all the materials are there they're just not being used to their full potential.
As for the front page it does not have useful information on it currently, all it has is links to what hubpages select to put their when making their editors choice selections, it has absolutely no other useful information explaining what the site is about, it just has 5 links that is for our (the writers) knowledge not a normal visitors, I shouldn't think a normal visitor who is looking for information cares that peanut pete got editors choice or not, they want information.Also if Google do not like blank homepages then why do they allow you to set up custom searches like this
https://cse.google.co.uk/cse/publicurl? … ukzkbeq_lkGoogle custom search allows a website owner to create a custom search engine for their website - I don't think I've ever seen a website use it as their entire front page.
The purpose of a good home page is to give Google a clear picture of what the site is about. Google doesn't need to explain itself to itself with its own home page. I agree that HubPages' front page doesn't do a good job of explaining the site currently, but a blank page would be even worse.
HubPages' target audience, right now, is people searching for information on Google. Once one of those readers has arrived at a Hub, HubPages tries to keep the reader within the site by showing related Hubs (on the same topic) and a few Hubs by the same author.
Some readers may use the search function but as it's not very good (it includes forum posts etc as well as Hubs), I can't see many readers persevering with it - it's so much easier to click the "Back" button and go back to the results you've already found on Google. If HubPages wants to be a search engine, then they need a more refined search facility than what they've currently got - have you actually tried it?I agree with what you say as to all this site is, is a site that hopes it draws in good writers that will get their links displayed on search engines sites so that Hubpages can get lots of dribs and drabs of traffic thanks to multiple authors, but authors as individuals get the D in dribs in traffic for their efforts.
If this is how hubpages operate, the chances are the success for this site as passed, new members have no chance specially as since it started to now search engines have changed the manner of how they display search results.
Hubpages trying to entice new writers in is pretty pointless for the writers as they have no chance unless Hubpages changes the way it operates, it does not seem to have moved with the times, search engines have changed but hubpages hasn't. This can only result in more and more links dropping off of search engines in the near future and the dribs and drabs of traffic slowly fading away to nothing.
Showing related hubs and a few more from this author links is never going to bring ongoing traffic, firstly you got to be lucky to get someone to click your link on search result pages on search engines that mainly show news media or wikipedia links as the first few top results, then secondly you got yo hope that probably that one in 100 that clicks the link in the search results then goes on to click your more from this author links.
If you look at this sites homepage, it has no information at all on what this site about, for example if the google bot come now it would think this site is about
GUN CONTROL ISSUES
The outdated 2nd amendment.
ANTHROPOLOGY
Learn About the Origins of Green Eyes
BUILDING A HOME
Why Don't Homes in Texas Have Basements?
HUBPAGES TUTORIALS AND COMMUNITY
Do you feel un-featuring hubs due to (lack of) engagement is fair?
GUN CONTROL ISSUES
Will NRA Leadership Understand That SENSIBLE Gun Control is the GOAL
As they are the 5 editors picks, nothing else is on the front page, but given the H1 tags in the headings the bot might follow them links, so editors picks may have more chance of getting ranked, the rest of us have no chance of being found.But to solve that solution if 5 editor choice links is enough for google to see what this site is, why not drop them 5 choices down and lay them horizontally then put a search bar through the middle, it will give visitors an option.
They land on that page now they see big editor choice links with pictures then a small search bar at the top, the chances are they will think i don't want to know about anything to do with them 5 links I am leaving or they will click them links leaving the rest of the writers with no chance of getting seen by outside traffic unless they are lucky to have a link put in the related hubs on the page they click the link for. Hubpages could at least give a normal seeker of information more options to find the information they seek rather than throwing hubpages editors choices links and images in the faces of the normal visitor.I come back to the fact that a "normal searcher" never ever sees the HubPages home page - if they are going to use the HP search, they'll use it from the top bar on a Hub.
I agree that if HP decided to change tack and somehow promote its front page as a search engine, then it should be redesigned to give searchers confidence.It really as all the facilities to do it to. Just wonder why they haven't?
If it works and people do become confident in it, google can pee off lol.
I know google have so much internet power, but websites need to stop being scared of them, yahoo weren't they are doing just fine. Hubpages needs to get itself in a position where it does not have to rely on the dribs and drabs of traffic google send them, sites that rely on search engines for their traffic sources are always destined for failure. Hubpages has the facility to become a standalone site that traffic comes to naturally rather than via search engines.
My point with putting that bar on the homepage is, by doing it it makes a statement to those that do come here as visitors (whatever the number) it tells them this is a search site, when they come here now them 5 links that they see for example might be about making cakes in one link, how to wash windows in a second link, how to make a cocktail in the third link, etc etc so all visitors think is, this site is about cake making, window cleaning, cocktail making etc etc, I ain't interesting in them things, BYE!!!
Then editors choice links are bad for this site when being displayed on the homepage as whatever is there when someone visits is what they think this site is going to be about. They will just think this site is all about just them 5 things, is that good for this site that is about EVERYTHING?
One of the bigger issues with the home page is that the same hubs appear for a very, very long time. Why not set up a platform like on Etsy, where people can make "treasuries?"
What is another plus is all our hubs will still be good enough to rank on them search engines so the traffic the site is currently getting will not change.
They have nothing to lose.
It gives them more of a chance of people that find information via a search engine to think, oh I found the last piece of information I needed on hubpages, I will go there again and search, if they find the information again, then again then again the chances are they will save hubpages homepage as a tab on their devices and start using it to source information.
Then the saying between circles of friends will start
where did you get that? Or how do you know that?
"I read it on hubpages"
More free exposure.
The search results will filter the best search results (a source of quality control saves hubpages work).
- calculus-geometryposted 8 years ago0
When you posts suggestions during weekends and holidays, you are only left with other users to argue with. If you want a staff response, post your ideas on a weekday after the New Year's/Christmas holiday is over.
The things Marissa has mentioned are things that need to be thought about but really their not things that are our problem, the problems would be hubpages problems, although nothing is really a problem to do this accept adding Ad Program adverts on our personal websites, that is out of Hubpages control too, but I am sure if they offered this option to their advertisers and allow advertisers to pick which type of sites they want to appear on it is something they would be interested in. If their not though or this part is not possible for some reason, there is nothing stopping hubpages still turning this site into a search engine that obviously would then only show hub results. Which will better than the current front page.
If we look a this site like Marisa said, people find pages of this site on search engines etc, when they get to them pages they read the page and leave, hubpages need to think of a way to keep them on here and to come back without the aid of search engines.Sorry, DasEngel, I assumed incorrectly that your end goal was getting someone more official to respond to your big ideas. I now see this thread is going exactly in the direction you intended. Carry on.
This had not occurred to me. Are you sure???
If so, then to all...:
Just found this post from hubpages 9 months ago. So the google search has not been on here long I presume?
Judging by some of the comments left by hubpages they seem a little unfamiliar with the features of the custom search, may be there is a chance of this happening then......
http://hubpages.com/community/forum/129 … ges-searchOn that thread, you'll notice the HubPages staff member says it's a rarely used feature. Proving big changes would be needed for it to offer any real benefit to our blogs.
A start to make it more used would be to emphasis it and let people/visitors know this is a site that can supply them more than the five pieces of information they currently see (not through visitors choice) on that horrible frontpage lol.
It seems rather than attempting to attract everyday searchers hubpages are more concerned about keeping writers adding content. What is the point having writers whose pages chances of being found are pot luck?
Well anyway has been interesting chatting. Am off for a kip now. Enjoy your day/night.
We will see what they say if anything mate.Well, whoever you are, you are right that the front page is not very appealing, but don't you think a better use of HP's resources is to get rid of the garbage pages that make Google hate it so? As boring as the front page is, it does the job of being a front page and doesn't show too much crap to non-registered visitors or logged out users. Only logged in users see a those stupid forum posts on the front page.
It would be useful yes. But Google can do that automatically.
The custom search that Hubpages uses is powered bu google, that will only show featured content in seach results, that would include only showing pages from our own sites too, they will only show results for content with good enough attributes.
The front page shows 5 links, so when visitors come (however many) all they will think is this site is is about them 5 things, if they're not interested in them 5 things they will leave. Surely what we want is visitors (real people looking for real things not looking to earn/be a writer) looking at our stuff repeatedly/return visits, rather than just us looking at each others stuff with a few visitors going directly to content pages from search engines every known again.What on earth do you mean, "Google can do that automatically?" Yes, Google will weed out poor quality material - BUT it will also penalise the site for offering it bad articles. Do a little research on Panda and you'll see a whole site can be dragged down by having just a few rubbish posts/pages. So removing poor quality content is absolutely critical and I don't think HP has found a good solution for that yet.
Going back to the fact that the search is a rarely used feature - you say it needs to be "emphasised" and that the front page needs to be improved.
- What do you mean by emphasised?
- I can't see much point in creating a search-focussed front page unless there is a way to get readers to visit it. Right now, they don't. What could be done to ensure they do?By emphasised it is meant let people know it is an information site, tell them they can conduct other searches, tell them they can use this site to source information instead of just telling them this site is about the potluck page they land on via a search engine, or about the random links that show on the homepage, or about making money for writing.
Google will automatically ONLY show FEATURED hubs,any that are not shown will tell HUBPAGES AUTOMATICALLY that the rest of the content is not up to scratch, this will also tell hubpages they are better off deleting such content.
If it is not in search results, it means it is not good enough which means hubpages can get rid of the content before getting penalised, another advantage of the custom search instrument that is not being used to it's full potential, do hubpages look at what searches are conducted? In theory hubpages can run this whole site through information from searches before penalties occur.
If you can't see the point of this INFORMATION BASED site being focused on getting visitors to search whilst there here for things they want to know, then why do you see the point in us trying to get ranked on other search engines, what you're essentially saying is people only want to search on search engines, that is what your saying, so if that is the way forward then why can't hubpages move forward with the times and get people searching on here.
You also keep mentioning about getting people to visit it, that will come with time. If 5 people a day come here for example and search and find the information they require, they may think about coming back tomorrow, if they then find information they require again they may keep coming back and eventually saving hubpages as a tab on their devices (that is the goal)k, eventually they tell their mate, their mate tells their mate and so on, and before you know it them 5 people will have turned into 500 people REGULARLY COMING BACK TO SEEK INFORMATION, then it will grow and grow and grow.
They are not gonna come back if they come to this site and THINK it is only about subjects to do with the 5 random links they see on the homepage or about writing to make money that is of no interest to them as they came here to source information. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DO NOT COME HERE
Why is the focus on this site about writers making money, by all means add a link in the footer about becoming a writer but don't make it the focal point, make the tons and tons of knowledge that is on this site the focal point, make visitors finding the tons and tons of knowledge whilst there right here on the site the focal point, instead of letting them leave then hoping they conduct another search on a search engine next week and by luck one of our hubs shows in the search engine results, then by more luck they choose to click the link to the hub over all the other results. Making them search on here whilst there here so they land on search results pages that are only hubpages results/or our links with hubpage ads on our sites is beneficial to every single one of us.
If you land on a page via search engine on this site, you will think the whole site is about topics to so with that one landing page. If you land on the home page of this site you will think the whole site is only about topics to do with the 5 random links to hubs that show, there is not much letting visitors know that there is tons and tons of information on this site for many subjects. Focus on getting visitors (not members) searching, so they know they can find anything on here, not leave them thinking the search tool will only bring up results for the page they find via a search engine, or for the 5 random topics on the homepage. Promote the site as we can answer almost anything, change the message of the nature of this site, that is branding and promotion issues.
Our job is to write and supply searchable information, so why do you not think this site can not be turned into a search site? Are search sites/engines not there to supply information or have I missed something?
Our job is to write, branding and promoting of the site is hubpages job.
From our chats on here we have discovered that you don't think the current front page is that good, you also don't think emphasising to visitors (however many) that they can search for all types of information on this website not just think the site is about the 5 things on the front page is a good idea, so what would you like to see or what direction would you like hubpages to go into in order to benefit all of us?
You have also said in a previous comment that just having a search bar will turn google away because they want information on the home page. Stop and think, visitors also want information on the home page, and 5 random links to hubs with titles that might not be anything to do with information such visitors are seeking will turn them away too (that is not good, turning them away is WORSE than turning google away through the lack of information as these are the people that flick through pages, google bots don't), and the chances are they will never return, a empaised search bar/search site gives visitors a choice to see the information they require is not there so they have to search for it, who benefits? The hub authors that turn up in such searches, what could also happen? That visitor might find useful information on the search they done, what does that mean? It means there is a good chance they might return. Returning visitors wow, at least give this site a chance to get returning visitors instead of leaving the pages of this site to be found by luck on search engines.
Pleasing visitors and pleasing google,conquer them two things then the sites a winner, but it seems pleasing google is the only focus, what is the point pleasing them if your not drawing in a huge audience/returning visitors?
I know wikipedia do not use google as an income source etc but just look at their home page, the lack of information on their homepage does not get them penalised by google. A selection of languages with a description as simple as "The Free Encyclopedia" with a search bar.
Hubpages can have something that simple with information about the site (for google purposes) underneath the search bar, with links to become a writer in the footer.
Them 3 simple words tells people what wikipedia is about, booom a visitor will do a search.
https://www.wikipedia.org/
And I am not comparing hubpages to a massive site like wikipedia, and yes I know google give them special privileges because of the size of their site. I am just pointing out their home page is simple, and with 3 simple words and a search bar a first time visitor to that site will know they can find anything they want.
And really in theory each time we compose a hub we are competing for search ranking positions with sites like wikipedia, so if you think me mentioning them, or if you think I am comparing them with hubpages is not relevant because of the size of their site and the google privileges they have, you would virtually be saying writing SEARCHABLE hubs on here or any site is not worthwhile because they will never rank above or anywhere near the bigger players out there. Which they won't, that is why I believe the way forward for this site is to utilise that bloody search facility so people stay, or at least use that search facility, find good information then leave, leaving the thought in their head that they found good information on here has a CHANCE of making then return without the aid of search engines (naturally return by saving hubpages as a tab, or typing in the domain name for the purpose of seeking future information they may need)..I come back to the fact that the home page has NOTHING to do with why people do not come here, because they don't ever see it! How can a page they never see discourage them?
What they see when they arrive at HubPages is a Hub, and if they click on the related Hubs, they'll see that Hub is part of a collection of other Hubs on the same subject. There's an argument to say they should have a hierarchical menu in the sidebar listing the related categories and numbers of Hubs in each category - that would be a much better indicator of quantity of information than a search page no one ever visits.Some see it, you can't say no one ever sees it. Whatever the figure that do see it whether it is one person that sees it or a million that sees it. Whatever the figure it only takes one person to realise this site is more than just a source for information regarding topics of the page they land on.
Yes, agree that would be a good addition, it would help page flicking from visitors, but it will give them a ready made list (ordered list) of hubs to do with the subject they click on, search bars will give them a list of specific keyword searches that will be more accurate to what information they seek. It would still be a good thing to have though.
This is my point mate, the search feature is not getting used to it's full potential, the reason it is not is because the site does not tell people that land on like you say one page that this site has tons and tons of knowledge on it. When people land on that one page, and see the related hubs etc, it appears as if the whole site is only about that certain subject of the page they land on.
No one ever views the search pages, just imagine if a few things were tweaked on here and the search pages do start to become seen. Just because they do not get seen now, does not mean they don't have the ability to be seen in the future.
You obviously know more about the site than me as you have been here a lot longer, I am not sure if the site is working for you based on traffic from search engines, but as a new member it quickly becomes apparent that the chances of success this late in are very unrealistic, hence the feeling of the need to walk away has come already as this does not seem to have long term benefits with how search engines operate now and how hubpages operates. If a member feels like that, information seekers that come from search engines must feel pretty similar.
Still never mind.You say "it only takes one person to realise this site is more ..." but the thing is, the site has been in existence since 2006 and has had millions of readers in that time - and thousands of members! I don't see even see any HubPages members using HubPages as a source of information - and we already know what the site contains.
In June of 2012, HubPages had 1,256,826 published Hubs and 213,604 published users. Monthly views topped 73 million.
Today there are 777,293 published Hubs and 51,932 published users. Monthly views are in the 20 million range. With all those numbers continuing to decline.
I do think you're doing your idea a disservice by muddling several ideas.
CURRENTLY, there is no point "fixing" the home page or the search function because IN THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE SITE, these are rarely used features - readers especially do not visit the home page.
If your idea is adopted, and readers were being encouraged to use the search engine/home page, THEN it would be worth fixing them. But the first step is to work out how to get readers visiting the home page in the first place - if that can't be done, then your idea can't succeed because not enough readers will use it.
Personally, I can't see how it could be done. Why should readers choose to come to HP instead of to Google or Bing or Wikipedia as they do now? If HubPages hasn't managed to establish a reputation as an information source in all the years of its existence - and bear in mind it had a far higher profile four or five years ago than it does now - why would that change?It has never sent the message out that it is a information source since it began, it has only ever sent the message out "come here and write to earn" that is why it has never built a reputation up of being a information source. That is what I mean, it now has "writers that have come here to earn" but it is not changing it's message to visitors, it needs to change the message now before it is too late, get the message out there that this is a information source.
It needs re-branding (I don't mean changing the name it needs re-branding from this is a site to earn for writing to we can tell you anything.
As for getting people to come to hubpages over google, bing and wikipedia, it is not really about that, but wouldn't it be nice to give them the option to? And then like I say, if they can find good information, they won't be afraid to come back to conduct more searches, if they continue too it gives Hubpages a chance of returning visitors to want to use the site more often, but as hubpages has not moved with the times and changed from being a site to earn to being a site to seek information it has no purpose to anyone except us who are looking to earn, by that I mean it has not built a reputation for being informational site I do not mean those that luckily find one of our hubs on search engines do not find the page they look at as not purposeful.I see your other comment but there was no reply link your comment was
You say "it only takes one person to realise this site is more ..." but the thing is, the site has been in existence since 2006 and has had millions of readers in that time - and thousands of members! I don't see even see any HubPages members using HubPages as a source of information - and we already know what the site contains.
In the original post, it says, about making this our information source to conduct searches on when we want to know things. Obviously that is everyone's choice, but why write on a information site if we don't trust the site enough to find good information that we personally want to know?
If we don't see this site fit to conduct our own searches when we want information, how the hell do we expect visitors to? We need to set the example, we can start the ball rolling for the search feature, just by simply using it then when people ask how we know something etc, oh searched it on hubpages (word of mouth) look how google snowballed through the phrase "google it". No, I know this site will never be that big but this site if re-branded to this is a information site has the potential to come back from the dead and break its page view records (if members are patient and give it time).You say, "If we don't see this site fit to conduct our own searches when we want information, how the hell do we expect visitors to?" - well, I wouldn't expect visitors to, and I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable recommending anyone to do so. If they are seeking accurate information on almost any topic you care to name, they would be better off using a Google search to find the many specialist sites run by writers with some level of expertise in their topic. There are thousands of those now.
That is HubPages' big problem, not the fact that search isn't prominent enough or that the home page isn't attractive enough. It's that the structure of the site doesn't allow for subject specialists to build a reputation or connect with their readers.If that is your trust level here on hubpages why are you competing to be ranked with thousands of expertise sites on search engines by writing on hubpages?
Search engines will rank expertise sites above hubpages experts writers for particular topics.
The search feature on here that is powered by google will source out the expert writers ON HERE and display their hubs over poorly sourced writers from HERE, this means experts on here are not competing with anyone, it means expertise sites that list on google will not be above expert writers from here. In the exact same way google search results is shown, it puts best content/relevance content above poorer content. The custom search is google operated that will act in the same way for search results on here.
The only way expertise sites will rank above hubs in search results on here is if hubpages add our sites to their search results that have ad program ads on, the likelihood there though is, top ranking hubbers of certain topics will be more like the ones whose own website links are ranking above their hubs, so it is win win.
It will get to the point where expert writers of the same topic will be competing for top search results by writing better hubs than other expert hubbers in the same topic (hub competition for top results).
This will then give hubpages the chance to tell the members that have poor search result ranking that they need to supply better content, or give hubpages the chance to delete poor content (making the site better), hence why I said above if members are patient it will come back from the dead.
If in 6 months the site can clear the crap via using the search tools to their full potential, search results will be cleaner, accurate, informative, at this stage recommending others by word of mouth, ie found it on hubpages will not have to be done embarrassingly.
Interaction, is adding contact details in capsules on here prohibited?Yes, adding contact details or inviting readers to sign up for your newsletter on a Hub are both prohibited.
I do not trust HubPages, I trust Google and Bing to respect my Hubs on an individual basis. I am aware that HubPages' Panda score drags my Hubs down but hopefully their age and reputation is enough to counteract that. I don't write on my specialist subjects on HubPages because I know those articles will do better elsewhere.Why hope that their reputation is enough to counteract that, why not make changes to MAKE SURE they get respected?
Trying this suggestion is not going to effect the current ranking on search engines, traffic however large or small will still come from google and bing. Just not to sure why your so against replicating google and bing on a smaller scale (yes it will take time to clear out content that drags the site down, but it don't mean to say it won't get done). Google and Bing clear out crap content via the search tools and add-ons they have, hubpages has exactly the same tools and add-ons available as both them search engines, hubpages don't even have to do the work, the custom search will do it for them, they just have to hit the delete button.Also to add to the comment.
If we were allowed to add ad program adverts to our sites. Hubpages would probably allow us to add contact details and newsletter information and stuff to hubs, as long as it was done appropriately, as they wouldn't care if visitors from here contacted or signed up to newsletters from sites that have their ads. For vetting purposes the newsletter for your site/s could be sent through this portal to all your subscribers even the ones that you never gained via hubpages (that system would have to be set up though and would have to work so it appears to be from your hubpage linked sites (your own sites), that idea would need work on but is possible and would be no different to sending the current ones you do now).
Not sure what that means
. Never heard that saying.She just meant she was agreeing with the statement she quoted.
I had to change browsers before I came here an commented because my newest generation mobile ad blocker flagged the URL of this thread as advertising, and refused to display any of the page.
Advertising on this site is about to drop dead if that's how the next generation of ad-blocking filters work for mobile.Yep!! Indeed.
Have hubpages released anything in regards to how they plan to generate income to solve this problem?
Not been on here long so don't know if they have previously, I could use the search feature and have a look I suppose lol.
I did post a wikipedia link and a custom search link for the purpose of examples to do with this thread, is that classed as advertising/spamming this forum lol.
I'm kind of warming up to FootballNut's idea. It really wouldn't take that much effort on HP's part to come up with a basic style portal page. It would certainly look better and HP could jazz it up later on as time permits.
Really, the thing I find the funniest is that if you have been at HubPages long enough, you can recall that the same people who founded and own it also founded and own a company called YieldBuild, now a subsidiary of HubPages, although I recall when it was the other way round too.
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization … ld#/entityActually, I noticed sometime awhile back that it seems they've gone to that giant, tech scrap heap in the sky... http://yieldbuild.com/
And the site, itself, is absolutely nowhere in the index, https://www.google.com/#q=%22yieldbuild … dbuild.com Only the mentions of the site by other websites remain. Tough town, the internet.I think you might as well, you've had the official HubPages response and it was a resounding no, only so much you can do.
Yes indeed.
From the Marketing and Community manager.
Didn't realise they needed a marketing manager for a site that don't get marketed (doesn't seem to get much money pumped into it's marketing) lol.The official hubpages response sounds like they have give in to google. They have allowed google to beat them.
If I purchased a blue car and went and drove it, then some stranger stopped me and said you are not allowed to drive on this road unless you paint your car pink, then paint a bunch of flowers on all the doors, then open all the windows and blar out the Hit Me Baby One More Time song by Britney Spears on full blast.
The chances I like probably every other normal person would say f*** off I will find another route or road.
So, why when sites like hubpages get told by google to do this that and the other to their site don't sites like hubpages say f*** off I will find another route or road?
Why give in to google? they need webmasters more than webmasters need them. Webmasters can find other routes and stop google bots accessing their websites, google on the other hand can't operate if sites tell them to f*** off, just find another route and leave google with their little bunch of friends that done as their told.
It seems hubpages marketing team never ever thought outside of google, meaning it never had a plan B, or any plans of trafficking hubpages from outside search engines (which is poor marketing). Now is time to create a plan B and to start that plan f*** google off. Why are they still trying to impress a search engine that has s*** on them, not once,not twice but three or more times?
Hubpages really should f*** google off, other advertisers are available. Clean all the crap off the site. Then relaunch thru social media for free, and through members for free, but launch it as a search site, without even worrying about ranking on search engines, don't even have them in mind. If search engines choose to ignore the bot notice and google still go ahead and index the hubpages or like minded sites, who cares, rankings on there can be whatever google want them to be as google or search engines will not be the main source.
Come on Hubpages be brave!! Make a mark for yourself lol.Why give in to Google? Because despite all the big talk about getting traffic elsewhere instead, the vast majority of websites STILL rely on Google for most of their traffic.
You'll hear lots of brave talk about forgetting Google and getting traffic via other means - but how many people do you know, who've actually achieved it? I know some people who get "good" traffic via Pinterest, but what is their definition of good?
For all this talk of HubPages failing, it's still getting well over a million views a day - yes it's failure compared to their former glory but a lot of website owners would kill for that much traffic.[these days.]
These days are gradually fading out though for sites like hubpages, new avenues need to be explored.
They need to open their mind not just think about [these days.] they need to start thinking about the tomorrows and the what if's, for example:
What if we do as our told and get back in googles good books, then a year later they chuck some other crap that might be called something like Zebra or Octopus at sites and we end up in the same boat we was when they s*** on us by chucking the panda and penguin at us and the mobilegeddon.
[these days.] are numbered so why keep going down a dead end?
What will the next obstacle be that google put in little site owners way to get them off of the internet? Little sites don't know so why bother with someone that needs webmasters more than webmasters need them, that are also dictating to webmasters on how to run their own sites?
Over a million views that will soon be over 1/2 a million views, then 1/4 million views then none. So being brave might fail but at least they will be trying to save the site instead of letting just fade away.
There definition of good, is probably a consistent flow of traffic, whether it is 100,000 views a day every day or 1 million views a day every day it is consistent....Hubpages can't say they have a good flow of traffic or a consistent flow because it is declining all the time, yes 1 million a day currently that you say hubpages gets that is just going to decline and decline is good for who? You? Me? Or Hubpages?I see your point, but my point is - what's the alternative? I think your idea, which boils down to setting up in direct competition with the Google search engine, is so laughable it's not even worth considering, frankly.
Before you go on flogging the dead horse, I suggest you try doing a few comparison searches - HubPages vs Google. Pretend you're looking for information and ask yourself, which one gives the better and more useful results? That's the one that will succeed and it's not the HubPages one - even if we do get a few amateur websites being added to the mix.There are many alternatives to advertise a website and many for free.
Hubpages can become partners with other websites that Google are trying to kill off. If a dozen sites based on supplying information teamed up, and become fuckoffgoogle.com or something lol. There are social media sites. There are PEOPLE (yes believe it or not people are the ones that make things work).
No one is comparing hubpages with google here it is just more a case of , if a horse was injured would you get a vet to fix it, the horse is not dead, or would you think the horse is still alive but no one wants to save it, or even attempt to.
Yes you're right about the content google supplies, but as you put it the information may be better, but in 5 years time when the information on there is information that is supplied ONLY by news media sites and wikipedia, it won't take long before people get fed up with constantly being told their is a war somewhere, or people are dying in such and such country so we need you to donate all your wages lol. That is where it is heading, it is heading so that all we see on google is news, and stories of the rich famous, deaths, wars, RULES OF LIFE, dictatorship, basically anything that will control us........that will be all the things we see.
Essentially if Hubpages used their heads they could get all the sites that google are trying to kick off the internet, the small sites that HAVE BRILLIANT INFORMATION ON and house them under their roof, what would be bigger and of more interest to searchers?, a search site with choices of the type of information PEOPLE want, or google with propaganda messages and searches that will only brainwash everyone? Google won't even be a search site in the future it will just be a news stream from government backed news channels
I know what I would pick, someone needs to step up and take googles rejects under their wings and flourish.
You telling me that taking all the sites they dictate to is not an alternative?
The sites that are rejected by google, are not crap sites, it is just that the sites with GOOD information on are not sites that are official NEWS MEDIA sites, so now google have used them for years to build a massive SEARCHER BASE they can now kick them sites off and make all the information them sites supplied to only be supplied by NEWS MEDIA sites. The panda etc was just an excuse to drop sites, some got dropped for not formatting HOW GOOGLE SAID (dictating) that is more laughable than the idea of grabbing all them sites that are not official news media sites and giving them a roof to live under, or as you put it going in direct competition with google by using their rejects/or by using sites that don't want to be dictated too. It is not competition with google, as google they don't want them sites no more, going in competition with google now would be to try and grab all the NEWS MEDIA websites/government sites and only display such sites search results (that is where google is heading), which is not what this idea is, it is grabbing all the sites that have been treated like s*** by google, by google not wanting them anymore, so it is not competition. If I throw out a jumper and you want it, the jump still has a use obviously, that is the position hubpages can put itself in RIGHT NOW, google have thrown out stuff, so someone needs to come and pick that stuff up and make use of it.
All them little sites are up for grabs mate, that is worth exploring.Hubpages
Webanswers
If you want more examples just do some examples searches, anything below the google capsule, news media links, wikipedia capsules (with pretty pictures hmmmm.......), youtube video links, or government based websites are sites that are up for grabs, and are sites that are okay at the moment, but won't be in a few years time when octopus or zebra hits them or whatever other animal google wants to call their pathetic excuse to drop sites in order to make more room for NEWS MEDIA, WIKIPEDIA, GOVERNMENT SITES AND THEIR VERY OWN SITE YOUTUBE.
There all up for grabs
Your usually find them about 3rd or 4th which will soon 3rd or 4th on page 9000 of the search results.
Here is a simple search asking what is chicken tikka (have a look)
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … cken+tikka
Here is another one where is gloucester?
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … gloucester
And another How do i cook chips:
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … cook+chips
How do i dye my hair
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … ye+my+hair
silly searches but you get the picture, everything will show youtube, wikipedia, news media results, everything underneath is heading for the trash and the way google are putting them in the thrash/fading these sites out is by just making shit up like/dictating about the standards or layout of sites, panda,penguin is fading sites out still now, zebra and octopus next will fade more out over time, then giraffe and hippo will finally get rid of every single site except the mentioned ones, they have to fade them out gradually so the everyday searcher don't realise the transition of the change, if they just dropped every site and just showed the mentioned type of sites in one hit, everyday users would drop google and never use it again, so gradually changing it over time is making people unaware of the transition, humans are thick and they know that lol
You missed the (awkward and ultimately traffic-damaging) absorption of Squidoo just over a year ago, didn't ya?
I did here about it mate. What plonkers Hubpages are lol.
But with that said, if we forget the damage that has been done and source other avenues then who cares what traffic google send, this is the power we all think google have over us (not saying squidoo was any good) but it is only deemed as not good because the judges google said so, you wait until all google is is mainstream corporations and we are getting brainwashed, people will beg for the crap content from sites like squidoo to come back lol. Obviously if sites did join up we would all have to be patient, let them get the crap out of their databases then move forward.
Hubpages has the benefits of grabbing all the sites effected by googles dictatorship
Hubpages has the benefits of offering all the sites below wikipedia, youtube, google capsules, government sites and news media sites to change platforms (give them a choice), because the platform they're on now is gonna fade them out so all we see are corporate results.
But no one seems to be thinking about tomorrow they just think we on google today life is great, google ain't planning on keeping such sites on their platform, they just need them on their NOW so people search and keep using there platform, one day we will all wake and scratch our heads and think f*** why is there no sites on google giving us information anymore other than youtube, wikipedia, major news channels, government sites etc....
Lets forget all the mistakes and f*** google off now.It's true that people will get fed up of Google if they don't provide good results, but I don't believe your solution is the answer. The solution is already developing and becoming more and more popular - curated content.
Some people feel creating a website from curated content is cheating because you're not creating anything original - but the point is exactly what you were saying, that people want alternatives to Google search and a well-researched, trustworthy site, curated by an expert in the field, is exactly that. Look at MakingaMark's sites as an example, she gets big traffic.
http://www.econtentmag.com/Articles/Res … -79167.htm
The thing is that by their very nature, curated sites need to specialise in one subject, unless they're willing to have a big staff of experts on board each running their own specialist section. And they can't afford to start out half-baked and spend months or years getting rid of irrelevant stuff - they need to establish their reputation from day one. Readers are not patient.So if google bring out Bill The Bulldog and say your site ain't got a man scratching his ass in a 3-D picture at the top of every page, sorry we will have to get you off of search engines.
Where are these sites going to be found?
Like you say, people will have to have money to invest to cover more than the topic they know about. They're also going to need money to market themselves when google bring Bill out.
If anything, collecting pieces of information in capsules/snippets is perfect for google to nick and add at the top of their search results ie put the information in the google capsules.
Their feeding google lol.
These capsule you can find at the top of searches that have no links just the capsule with information about the search in (in effect it looks like a QUICK ANSWER that is supplied by google) is infact content from sites like Hubpages in some cases, you know the ones they're trying to kill off, and ones they have managed to kill off but kept some of the information that was submitted to that site and display it as their own/ it is okay saying these experts are curating/but google are too, using the same content as the curators.
This method will only be popular until google pull the plug on it, but that won't happen until google have got what they want from the proper experts (capsules with mini answers in). Sites like will end up with the panda/penguin victims.
But for now if that works on that marks site, why aren't we adding content in the same fashion about one topic in one hub in gibberish form? Unless I looked at the wrong site, but it all looks gibberish lol, but has had over 8 million page views, so it works.....so let's write in gibberish format whilst referencing other hubbers full articles.
When google have what they need from curators they will drop them, so the curation traffic form will end up like hubpages, it will only be curators looking at each others stuff, similar to the main traffic source on here, us looking at each other stuff..... but the real curators won't care, because they will have such a solid reputation as an expert in their field, people will go straight to their site instead of via Google. People will find their sites exactly as you suggest people would find HubPages in your proposal - because other people are recommending them as a fantastic resource for information in their chosen subject.
You say, "people will have to have money to invest to cover more than the topic they know about." No they won't, because a real curator won't even attempt to cover topics they don't know about. It means that people who don't have expertise are out of luck - well gee that's tough on people who are too dumb or too lazy to do the study, isn't it?
You may be thinking of all the pseudo-curators out there, who try to look like they know what they're talking about, by grabbing any old article or information source and bunging it on a website. Google does seem to like them now but as you say, without Google they would not last.You:
.... but the real curators won't care, because they will have such a solid reputation as an expert in their field, people will go straight to their site instead of via Google. People will find their sites exactly as you suggest people would find HubPages in your proposal - because other people are recommending them as a fantastic resource for information in their chosen subject.
So what you're saying is there is no room for new people once reputations have been built? If anything then curating is pretty selfish. How is a brand new just qualified lawyer going to get a reputation over curators that have been curating for 3 years longer than them and everyone is going directly to their site, I am brand new so how do I get found?
You:
You say, "people will have to have money to invest to cover more than the topic they know about." No they won't, because a real curator won't even attempt to cover topics they don't know about. It means that people who don't have expertise are out of luck - well gee that's tough on people who are too dumb or too lazy to do the study, isn't it?
Sorry, strongly disagree with they won't need money to market themselves. If I am a student right now studying law, when I complete my course I will set a website up with all great information about law, but I see there are already a million experts out there with this type of website that are marketing their expert content via curating, how am I going to get on board with this curating, as by that time established sites will be out there and all information seekers will be going direct to them due to their reputation (your words). To me curating sounds like it is only going to be a winner for those that build a reputation first, school kids in 5 years have no chance.
You:
Maybe MakingAMark's sites don't make sense to you because you don't know about her specialist subject. They are a fund of information for people who want to learn more about Art.
So what if I am a normal internet user and wanted to learn about Art, you just said it yourself it wouldn't make sense. It wasn't that it never made sense, it was more the snippets of information rolling from one thing to the next when looking for a particular piece of information, it looks gibberish, but it obviously works supplying information listings in that manner, so I was not knocking it. You have also answered your own previous question when you kept asking how hubpages will get people using their homepage if it was turned into a search site, easy curate, but curate only hubpage content, or only websites displaying hubpage ad program ads. Like you said it works!! There you go, there is the answer, why don't hubpage automatically add a snippet of info about there home page near the bottom of every hub, it would only be for a little while until the homepage gets attention then it can be removed.The method works for a curated site because a curated site is specialised. That means the curator can concentrate his marketing efforts because he knows EXACTLY who and where his target market is, a basic essential as any marketing professional knows. He also has a clearly defined product to sell (another basic essential of marketing) - his own expertise and fund of information on a field with clearly defined boundaries.
1. Whereas HubPages would have to market to everyone everywhere (too amorphous) and doesn't have a clearly defined product (just "HubPages content" - who wants to know about that?!). In your example, the lawyer can easily identify Pinterest boards, Facebook pages, forums and real-world venues about law, where he can promote himself intensively. Whereas HubPages would have to promote on so many different boards/pages/forums, the marketing budget couldn't possibly stretch.
2. It's ridiculous to suggest that new players can't gain a foothold, I wasn't suggesting that. That's like saying that because Sinatra was such a good singer, no other singers need bother trying to succeed. There's always room for new blood in any field and sometimes more recently qualified entrants can bring an exciting new perspective which will catch people's eye.
3. I didn't say they wouldn't need money to market themselves - you said they would need money to pay for people to provide content they didn't have the expertise on. That's what they won't need.The method works for a curated site because a curated site is specialised. That means the curator can concentrate his marketing efforts because he knows EXACTLY who and where his target market is, a basic essential as any marketing professional knows. He also has a clearly defined product to sell (another basic essential of marketing) - his own expertise and fund of information on a field with clearly defined boundaries.
So where are his market? Sounds like your saying their going to go smack everyone in the face on social media sites and shout HEY here I am I have a great reputation. If social media becomes that bad where you're getting 40 lawyers shouting at you I am the best, I think that will kill social media slowly too, google will be smiling. It is information I want I don't care about the products, so I am going to be put off when I realise it is not information that you really want to give me to help me out, what you really want to do is open my wallet (Hubpages don't make me feel like that when I need information). Sounds even more like products are going to be thrown in peoples faces that just want a quick answer. BRILLIANT MARKETING!! So you don't agree with content farming sites that do supply good information without wanting to sell you anything but you agree with spamming people that go to social sites TO SOCIALIZE? You really think social media is going to last long, the spam is bad enough as it is. And also a thing to remember is facebook page owners that sell products are competing with all them items for sale pages that every single town in the world has on facebook too so that search feature you mentioned might cause you more damage than you think.
1. Whereas HubPages would have to market to everyone everywhere (too amorphous) and doesn't have a clearly defined product (just "HubPages content" - who wants to know about that?!). In your example, the lawyer can easily identify Pinterest boards, Facebook pages, forums and real-world venues about law, where he can promote himself intensively. Whereas HubPages would have to promote on so many different boards/pages/forums, the marketing budget couldn't possibly stretch.
Yes they would, but with all the peed off sites there is going to be when google boot them off there is a perfect amount of webmasters out here to shout about hubpages if hubpages get them on here/re-brand and try to attract a new market. Google does not have a product in that sense - so what are you on about "who would want to know about that", if hubpages allowed other sites in it wouldn't just be hubpages content, however it would be sites displaying hubpages adverts if they want to be listed on this site, they can be found by people that WANT them via keyword searches and earn money even if they don't make sales through the hubpages advertising, save them going to social venues to beg for likes, by pretending to be a source of information. Hubpages wouldn't have to pretend it is a source of information because it will be one, all them sites can have people coming to them AGAIN, rather than them sites going to sites and spoiling it with spam such as facebook. You might say but hubpages has advertise in peoples faces and amazon/ebay products (adverts are choice for each and every hubber and are expected on INFORMATION SITES BY VISITORS, adding products and pretending to be an information source to people on facebook is not choice nor what the expert MARKETERS you mentioned have a choice of NOT doing, they will have to do it in order to market their product, not only that they will have to make their sites look very spammy by adding info with recommended links in mass to try and drive traffic).
It does not need a budget, it needs people and sites that google after years and years of USING/ALLOWING such sites on their engine suddenly are no longer good enough!! Sounds like the time is approaching where we can not seek no knowledge or information from anywhere other than the news media/government sites that will be left on google, brilliant they can tell us absolutely anything now and we are going to believe it, the illuminati really have conquered haven't they lol. digital dollars must be due for release soon now ha. oh they have to do one more thing before they really conquer though, that is take over the national bank of north korea/take over their currency, they have took over iraq's and afghanistan's and libyan's in this war that was started over an attack on the world trade centre (greed) but thanks to the MEDIA everyone seems to think it is about religion it was about greed remember the landmark it was not an attack on churches it was an attack on greed, that was the middle east's way of saying they don't want greed on their continent nor to they want to be controlled by illuminati, must nearly have syria's bank now as well, just north korea's to go who they're scared of in the sense of going to war, so they made up a cyber attack (sony), as an excuse to start a cyber war with north korea, guess what they probably already use a digital currency in north korea - funny it was north korea that got the finger pointed at them for sony by the NEWS and no one really knows anything about north korea except illuminati are scared of their militant power but at the same want control of their national bank to add to their collection of banks (is there currency online?) CYBER WAR lol. Anyway this may seem irrelevant but it is getting to the point where no information from any source other than governmental sources will be supplied to us. The illuminati bit might seem irrelevant but google going nothing but media is gonna make us proper puppets to the rich, much much worse than now.
2. It's ridiculous to suggest that new players can't gain a foothold, I wasn't suggesting that. That's like saying that because Sinatra was such a good singer, no other singers need bother trying to succeed. There's always room for new blood in any field and sometimes more recently qualified entrants can bring an exciting new perspective which will catch people's eye.
This does not answer the question. How will I know that curating even exists, there will be no information sites like crappy hubpages (not my view) with good information on giving me helpful ideas of how to market my new website.
3. I didn't say they wouldn't need money to market themselves - you said they would need money to pay for people to provide content they didn't have the expertise on. That's what they won't need.
So, if this works, do you not think one greedy fat man will want a slice of every single subject? These fat cats will become shareholders/form a organisation/group of elites or whatever for every subject then need money to promote their consortium so they will in effect take over this section of the internet, leaving the poor kid that just qualified stuffed, so how do they get on board this marketing method? This elite group won't let them in as it is potential competition. Search engines brings up precise searches in many cases so if that kid wants to build a reputation he has chance by being precise with his content, this gives the kid a chance, it also gives those seeking a chance to go somewhere designed to find things out rather than going somewhere that is designed for them to socialise and find out by someone that just wants to sell them something/open their wallet.
In 10 years time I want to divorce my wife. I have no knowledge of the procedure. I can't go online and look for information.
This is information I have never had to seek before so have no clue as to who to look for, or who has a good reputation for giving such information.
What do I do? Have I got to go walk up and down my street and say to my neighbours, have you been divorced before? If they say no move on to the next neighbour, if they say yes, do I have to say then, oh cool you got a URL with a good reputation?
Or are you saying MARKETERS are so clever they will come to me because they sense I am getting divorced so will want some information from them, the answer is yes they will sense it due to status wording (facebook can target adverts through the wording of statuses) - this will put me off as I will know I am being watched lol. Not only that if MARKETERS are going to use social sites to come to their market they are going to have to pay for advertising (to be seen by people that write certain statuses). You guys are going to kill social media throwing things in peoples faces in order to keep ahead of your competition.
Don't want products or information/knowledge being thrown at me on a site I go to to SOCIALIZE (Bye facebook will be the many words of lots of the 1 billion plus members).
The shitty spamming stuff in the newsfeed is bad enough and I don't mean spammy stuff from the crap sites that you say this method of marketing will only bring out the best in each subject, I mean the spammy stuff for multi billion pound companies whose adverts I see constantly whilst scrolling down the newsfeed, even though the help of search engines are still CURRENTLY here, core just imagine a billion plus businesses that have no option other than to go to their market on social media - do you think that will last?
Do you also mean for people to find things in the information sense they are going to be forced to use social media to have all this thrown in their face? You also mentioned pinterest and stuff like that and other forums/pages, this is brilliant but remember these forums will not be able to be found on search engines nor will pintrest and similar sites, the only place they will be found is on social sites, people are going to get annoyed seeing it all, they are already!!My theory is, the anonymous bitcoin creator who is believed to be japanese is in fact something to do with North Korea, so a reason to hack bitcoin and take that currency over had to be formed.....cry sony got attacked (did it we only know what the governmental media tells us) and say we will not let you get away with this and will hit back in our time (obama's words) is perfect excuse to cause a cyber war against a country their scared of and take that currency rather than fighting on foot like they did against little gangs in the middle east when taking over their national banks.
And one last thing to mention is the danger of social sites when it comes to facebook business page owners that sell products!! One bad piece of customer service, or one damaged product on a rival to a customer can be spread in 2 seconds with links to your pages, openly slagging your business off!! Where as if someone searched your product on a search engine, they would more than likely find your website and buy, if they have any problems they will come back to your website and contact you, some might still post on facebook about their experience but the effect after speaking to you via email on a one to one basis calms them down, on facebook they have two options, contact you via the page and sort it out nicely or absolutely publically slate your business, it happens. Yes, they will also see reviews about you on search engines that good or bad, but they have to search that particularly in most cases, on facebook a review about your business can be composed and exposed to millions within hours which is good if it is good postings, you get a few bad ones though you will end up finding yourself in public status correspondences.
If other traffic sources for small business websites still exist after google kick everyone off, for example pintrest, don't think pandas and penguins and goldfish or whatever else won't start happening on there as well, that will kick aload of sites off and start to bring government and news sites to the front until their the only ones existing on there as well.
I have never really took an interest in pinterest but just had a look, I can't source no information I require about something I want to know unless I sign up.But looking through the see through sign up form at the content that is not clickable because of the sign up form it is just a new version of stumbleupon lmao.
So the traffic sources small businesses have to look forward to is facebook spamming (members sharing) and stumbleupon the 2nd (pinterest) and curating (having spammy looking sites that kids in 5-10 years will not be able to tap into). Is it really going to last? And the fact I as a information seeker or a potential customer to all those sites on pintrest can't see anything unless I login that tells me pinterest is just a site that businesses get traffic from are members/member generated traffic, search engines are not member related traffic they are SEEKERS of things.
Update I just joined pinterest, now I can't do anything until I choose 5 topics so they can build me a custom feed (ie, throw things in my face), I might only want to go on there to spam my links in the hope that people pin them, I might not be interested in viewing what others have, oh now I am thinking if I am forced to see others stuff this site seems like it could be a case of you like me and I will like you back, then we will click each other's links from time to time to generate traffic we weren't really interested in seeing but we was forced to like topics so had to see each others shares etc. MEMBER GENERATED TRAFFIC, that is hubpages is mainly now, look where that is heading???
Am in and pinned 3 links now. Seems like a lot of links to spammy content on them topic boards, was this not a problem squidoo had and hubpages that has deemed to determine both sites failure, you say hubpages has crap content on it, to be fair pinterest don't look much better but your happy there because it is working at the minute, no thought for tomorrow???
So I noticed on each pin there is a send button, please don't tell me people are going to be liking me etc then continuously make me receive messages with links in?? This is worse than twitter, you follow me i follow back then we can spam links to each other's feeds, facebook, twitter, pinterest and other social sites is all based on spamming links via members sharing then hoping someone who shares/spams such links have people see their posts and they click it. spamming members to generate traffic, = doomedDo you also not think that when we are all wiped off google and only have spam methods of marketing such as facebook shares, twitter you follow me I will follow you and pinterest you like me I will like you, then we can all click on each others links that we see thrown in our face and wait 5 minutes for a website to load because it has so many adverts on because site owners have to jam pack them to make as much money from the spam traffic they receive that people will continue to use the internet?
Another thing with pinterest you have to click the odd bit of information you might want to read genuinely twice, so two clicks then wait 5 minutes for pages to load!! It is never going to work. And as more and more sites drop off of google more and more spam will be seen on social sites etc....to site that have no choice but to chuck adverts in peoples faces that will slow their sites right down.
P.S BBC blacked out this morning, internal error or hackers from countries that know news media sites brainwash their public, whatever it is we will believe what the BBC says it was. CYBER WARS - it's pretty hilarious the world has come to big paid keyboard warriors employed by the government to attack anyone/any countries internet properties that has something they want, who will be the keyboard hero?You should write up all your theories as hubs.
By the way, you can use Pinterest in any way that you want to. No-one forces you to receive anything you don't want. I have learned so much from Pinterest in the past couple of years. There's virtually no interaction between members, but a lot of potential to discover things that you might like.
It's always a good idea to completely check out a site before condeming it, then you won't come across as being a negative nellie.
I have no trouble getting sites to load from Pinterest either. Perhaps you need a new computer?You should write up all your theories as hubs.
It winds me up lol. If I put them in hubs they will only get read by hubpages members, then I will have to go through the hassle of making sure google says yes even though I will never be found on there, pleasing someone/allowing them to dictate for nothing in return....
I would like to put them in hubs though, but they are long winded and visitors can't be bothered to read long articles in mass anymore the only people that will bother to read them are hubbers because they want to leave their stamp in my comments (in house traffic).....another google piece of dictating....telling sites they must have a certain amount of content on their pages, yeah and that amount is just over the amount of normal visitors reading span.....another way of google making people not want to come back here so sites die off.
By the way, you can use Pinterest in any way that you want to. No-one forces you to receive anything you don't want. I have learned so much from Pinterest in the past couple of years. There's virtually no interaction between members, but a lot of potential to discover things that you might like.
Anyone can message me it seems, that is forcing me to either just go around and block everyone (if that is possible) which means I will be blocked from seeing any posts on the whole site, or it means I have to receive the messages (however many) first then block someone, but I would have already been spammed by then, so I can't use it how I like in that effect. This is my point, the internet has come to if I want to source information from non-government sites I have to sit on pinterest and wait and hope someone posts the information I want, I DON'T WANT TO BE ON A SITE TO ONLY DISCOVER WHAT "MIGHT" BE OF INTEREST TO ME, I just go to a site when I need to and get what is "DEFINITELY" OF INTEREST TO ME IN SECONDS.
The messages may not be a feature used much now, but it will be when all the small businesses from internet are on there all chucking their links at other businesses (they will all be their for the same purpose = to get traffic, that virtually means the traffic will become none).
It's always a good idea to completely check out a site before condeming it, then you won't come across as being a negative nellie.
It will be out of site owners choices, they will have to make negative changes to their sites, like adding loads of adverts, pop ups.
I have no trouble getting sites to load from Pinterest either. Perhaps you need a new computer?
Nor do I they load fine at the moment, but again your not thinking about tomorrow, what happens when the only form of marketing is spam marketing? People are sharing your stuff just because of the title not many are actually looking at your links compare to the shares you get, what will happen is that little bit of traffic you have to earn as much as possible from them because that will be your only source, so you will have to jam pack it with adverts, which will effect the loading. I am not talking about today in any of this, I am talking about the not to distant future.I say let the meltdown happen.
It's a shame that you are not open to new discoveries - sign of a closed mind. That's one of the things I love about Pinterest - I have no idea what I will discover, or what will spark inspiration until I see it. I also make sure I only re-pin beautiful things. There's enough ugliness in the world already. I am careful who I follow too, hence my feed is non-commercial. I have 5.3k followers but I never spam them with hub links, just the occasional image from my own blog.Let it happen? WOW.....that is your businesses future/your livelihood, and all of our family's bread and butter.
Many people love pinterest NOW, there is nothing wrong with that, but they only love it NOW because it is being allowed by google to work, once that stops you will not care less about pinterest like people don't this site. The panda's and whatever will happen on pinterest IF it survives what google throws at it, so what will then be deemed as spam sites will get kicked off making room for nothing but media/government pins. Will you love it then? And google will stop it working once they steal all them little capsules/snippets of information from experts and have them displayed as their own content at the top of every search result page.
And before you say they will be took to court by everyone for copyright infringements and stuff, please remember they aim is to leave only government messages and supplied information on their site, so the the government funded courts will not find them guilty!! Begs the question why they get away with their tax paying antiques??
Traffic farming sites will come to a stop, if google don't allow them to be found, then things like pinterest die off, anyone that wants to start a NEW stumbleupon 3 will have no source of reaching out to businesses other than on social media, where people share things they do not even read.
And you might say if hubpages allows small business sites in their search results that google have kicked off for no real reason other than to make room for media sites on their platform, will too become a traffic farming site.....but it won't......business will be on here and ONLY PEOPLE that SEEKING will come here, whereas with things like pinterest it is business go there to get pins mainly from other site owners, making it a traffic exchange type of site between website owners....which is a recipe for spam. Can you honestly say that there are millions of non business people/people without a website on there pinning our sites? There maybe some but seriously how long do you think that kind of pinterest user is going to stick around (they're our real customers not website owners, it is a traffic exchange method of marketing).It's hard to engage in a worthwhile discussion with someone who is just determined to rant in your face. I'll leave you to play on your own thread.
Have fun!How do you think visitors are gonna feel when they land on your sites and because your traffic is virtually none you have to chuck/rant in their face BUY MY PRODUCT even though they only wanted to know how to do something and was not looking for any products of any kind/to open their wallets lol.
You can engage, you have already, it is a shame though that because the replies are against what you don't want them to be your considering me to be ranting. I am just descriptive.
I am not considering you to be ranting when you reply, in fact I am trying to encourage you to be descriptive in how you think that the forms of marketing that WE WILL be left with is really going to work long term, I would love anything that would suggest the current form is going to work long term, but it seems no one has a long term plan they are just happy with the NOW because it is working NOW. We need to think beyond NOW and the things that are here NOW that won't be in years to come, nor will they be replaced with other methods of marketing.
And if things like pinterest are the way forward, where site owners are promoting their website to other site owners, we might as well drop money and just form a BARTERING community where we make products and give them to those that want them in return for others in the community to give us products we want lol. Sites like pinterest is all about wanting people to spend their money, search engines are not, they are more about giving people what they want weather it is information or products or anything else. Can money be dropped and everyone give each other what they can make etc on sites like pinterest, what is the value of money when it is businesses giving it to businesses then that business gives it to the next business then eventually it comes back around to the first one that gave it to a business (circling money by buying each other products there is no value in that, in one hand out the other) on sites like pinterest, information sites have a value of money because the sites on that don't all have products to sell, they gain by page views and clever layouts, yes people see adverts on sites that don't sell products but that is expected.
The only way pinterest will succeed is they say up yours to google, if we want spammy links/content on our sites then we will have them we don't care if you rank us. But that won't be there only problem, they will then have laws and governments on their backs forcing them to boot sites off to make room for their pins.
With that said I don't know much about pinterest over than it seems pretty similar to stumbleupon, but what is there income source? They don't seem to have adverts, do people have to pay to get their content featured or something?
And I am not being negative mate, but if you see the REALITY of what is happening around us being pointed out as negative then all this does happen like it is heading too, then our future reality is negative, so we do need to do something between us all.
You're way, way behind the eight ball, FootballNut.
The meltdown happened long ago. In 2010 I knew several people making a good income as online writers - including one who lived on the French Riviera. I wasn't in their league but I was on my way - I was projecting an income of at least $25,000 for 2011 (which didn't happen thanks to Panda, of course). They've all given up and gone on to other things because the income potential is now so limited.
I know very few people who make a comparable income from online writing now - some people do make enough to live on, but that's because they're living a frugal lifestyle, or are living somewhere low-cost, or have another source of income - and they probably don't have enough money to put aside for their old age either.
HubPages is a place to write because you love writing and can make a bit of pin money. That's the reality and has been since 2011. It's not an income source unless you live in an economy where $1 is worth a fortune. You'll notice even HubPages doesn't promote itself as a place to make a proper income and has not done so for some time.Nope. That was not the meltdown. That was just the start of the transition to kick sites off. If they kick every site off in one go and just leave media sites on there, everyday users would drop google, as mentioned before the next set of animals will come out and more will drop off of the internet. Slowly slowly making more and more room for media sites, the everyday user is not realising that there is a transition going on here.
Took the other ladies advise and wrote a pinterest article. Might do one for each section of points that have been made in this mess of a thread lol.....and who made the mess?
It would be a lot less messy if you stopped and edited your posts before you published them, so they were clearer and easier to read - something that should be a fundamental skill for any writer. Clear and concise is the rule.I made the mess. Deeply sorry.
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See how important things we get taught really are, you just read the above so can anyone.You think? I may be able to read what you wrote there, but I know I would enjoy reading it more if it was better written. Writing should be about making life easy for your readers.
Lookup experiments that Cambridge University have done regarding how important spelling actually isn't.
Yes, agree though it is always good to supply content in the manner people are programmed to receive it.
Good luck with pinterest and spamming links in the future. I think this conversation has come to an end beings I am getting whatevers and insults about the quality of rushing replies on a thread that only people that think spamming is great for traffic are replying to, instead of insults please read the other comments and answer how you think spamming or allowing others to spam your links is good for business?Where, on any of my post, have I mentioned spamming links? It's your lack of knowledge that is leading you to misunderstand.
Let's take an artist as an example. As part of his normal socialising, he's a member of forums, Facebook pages and Pinterest boards etc.- not to spam, but because he's passionate about his subject. He holds art exhibitions of his own art and goes to the exhibitions of others. He attends classes and workshops and he may run classes and workshops to teach others. He'll subscribe to art magazines, comment on articles and occasionally write an article.
Assuming he's a good artist, then the more active he is in these communities and the more friends and acquaintances he makes, the more his reputation as an artist will grow.
At real-world events, of course he'll hand out his business card which will have his website address on it, as part of the normal process of introducing himself. In the same way, he'll have his website address in his signature line and on his profile on forums, Facebook etc. Naturally his friends and acquaintances would rather take advice from/take courses by/buy from a friend than from a stranger, so they're going to check out his website.
I don't call that spamming. I call it building a reputation.Indeed, it appears that promoting business is fine if it's FBNut who's doing it, but if a website owner does it, it's spam.
It's fine for him to target people to sell his product (his words, not mine), but no-one else is allowed to. He seems to confuse legitimate advertising with spam.You haven't mentioned spamming links, but your not thinking. If you joined one thousand groups on facebook and posted your link on each of them you would class that as spamming wouldn't you?
So if you get 1,000 shares of a link on facebook via members that probably haven't even clicked the link and read or seen what the link is about, they just see the title or a pretty picture and shared it, that is them spamming your link. ASK GOOGLE as you love them so much, if you use adsense and got a lot of traffic from social media sites you will probably have been a victim of invalid adsense clicks.
Just because your not physically spamming your links it doesn't mean that spamming of your links does not happen via social shares.
I have 1,000 friends on facebook, if 30 of them share the same link, do you know how spammy it looks on my newsfeed when I keep seeing that same link that my friends probably have not even looked at?
Do you think your business would appeal to many when social media is the only form you have to market your sites, when it is chucked in peoples faces through others sharing?
When social eventually is your only source of traffic and your links are getting seen in the spamming fashion mentioned above mate, you will get little traffic, you have to earn from that little traffic, so you will end up plastering your sites with adverts to earn as much as possible.
Not read the rest.. Think I will leave it with you to flog your dead horse.Who said anything about putting links on every single item on Facebook, forums, Pinterest etc.? Again, you're making assumptions.
And it would be impossible, in my example, for the artist to join 1,000 groups - because the whole point is that he's a GENUINE member of each group he belongs to, he's not just there to self-promote. So there's no way he'd have enough time in his day to do them all justice.
But hang on, you're saying that if you have a link in your signature then it's spam, but if HubPages puts a highly visible link on every single Hub advertising its great new search engine, and then all HubPages members have to be constantly sharing the link with their friends, that's not spam? Hello?
And BTW I don't use Adsense on my sites.
footballnut really knows what he is talking about and he is a featured author so you guys should listen to him instead of insulting him. this idea is really interesting. i would like to know more about the weighs of the world so that i can partisipate in this intellectual discussion. i am a hubpages featured author and these matters are important to me as a writer.
"Knowing what you are talking about" is all about saying things that are true, not just saying them confidently and often.
Is that not what all the pinterest lovers are doing?
Do they know what google have planned next?
If not then they have no right saying anything, like I said I am descriptive, I want them to be to in their explanation of how this form of spamming links has long term success potential.
It works both ways mate. I have asked and asked for this explanation but they do not give one, they just say it will work basically, which is being confident in what they're saying (just because it is working NOW) without knowing what google have planned tomorrow for them. You can't say the comment you just said to me, without saying the same thing to them mate.You're the only one demanding an explanation of anything. Yet, you profess to know it all already, and can even foretell the future. Therefore there's no point in giving an alternative point of view. Your opinions are entrenched in your negative perceptions.
Do not claim to know it all at all. If you read the comments others have actually suggested things that could better our hopes of surviving.
There is a point of giving a point of view, however look at what type of sites are getting mentioned to go forward with, social media, curating and pinterest, look at pinterest it is a carbon copy of stumbleupon, it is not going to last and if it dies what are we going to do then? That is where i am coming from, and even if it does survive, what will end up happening is government and news links will be the only pins we see, because pinterest will be forced to make something up like googles panda to get rid of little sites, so all we see are brainwashing links, it is not predicting the future just look at google it is happening slowly but surely.
Social media and their members sharing content without looking at the actual link is not the way forward THAT IS SPAMMING OF LINKS..
Have you ever had invalid google adsense clicks from social media like many have? That is not me claiming to know everything mate, that is me looking around at what is happening.
Willmcwryter - FootballNut has been here 2 weeks and his Hubs have been viewed 1,000 times. That's good, however...
I've been here 8 years and my Hubs have been viewed nearly 2 million times.
Relache has been here 9 years and her Hubs have been viewed over 10 million times.
Theraggededge and Psycheskinner have been here 5 years and their Hubs have been viewed over 200,000 times.
Who do you think is most likely to know what they're talking about?Don't sell yourself short, I have found your subtle trolling much more entertaining than DasEngel's tired old shtick. Happy New Year and keep those featured poems coming
If you think this ain't serious monkey picture I suggest you read MY VERY LAST TWO REPLIES TO MARRISA ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE I FINALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND IT MIGHT SINK IN WITH YOU SO CALLED EXPERTS THAT THINK YOU CAN SUPPLY KNOWLEDGE BETTER THAN GOOGLE AND WIKIPEDIA TEAMING UP.....
IF YOU THICK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AFTER READING THAT ON PAGE 7 OF THIS THREAD THEN YOU NEED PUTTING IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL. PLEASE READ IT MATE IT IS CLEAR THIS TIME.
If you promote via forums there is no need to join 1000s. You join the one that is most influential in your niche and you participate as a real (and nice) person with real expertise, not an SEO weenie. It works very well, at least it does if you actually are a fairly nice person and an expert in that subject.
How are these forums going to be found in 10 years when my son is 18 if he can't go on a search engine and find the forums.
Is he going to be forced on to social media where his friends can spam your website links via the share feature, so his newsfeed is full of your links?
I don't think he will be clicking your links do you?
You said in the other comment about repeating myself, I am repeating myself again now to you as this has already been said, so stop making me repeat myself please.What?
Where did 'force', 'spam' and 'our links on his newsfeed' come from? You are spouting utter twaddle now.Read the other comments.
You lot are getting on me nerves. If you can't see you are going to have no option to market your sites in the future other than on social media with competition against millions and millions of other website owners in your subject, how are you going to make me want to come to you over them? You will either have to close your site, or go spamming or spend loads promoting on social sites.
On the flip side if you do well and everyone loves you, they like your content, if 30 of my friends share one of your links what am I going to see? your link in my feed constantly, that is spamming of a link in my eyes even though you're not physically spamming it. i will get fed up with that and block you, so will many others. This will result eventually in you having to close, even if loads of people love your stuff they will soon get fed up seeing it constantly because their friends share it, and no one is going to pick your content over their friends, it will be you that goes.
End of conversation. Best of luck.I am curious what you are basing that idea on. Because I don't think search engines are going away any time soon, or that spamming will ever work better than authentic social engagement.
Content is, and will remain, king. What may have a limited shelf life is content sites. I used to make 10% of my income here and now it is somewhere below 2%.
I only hang around here because the people on this community are entertaining and often informative. Right now niche self-hosted sites with Adsense are the best earner for me. (Or if you count all online earnings, ebooks--they are my real earners).Seriously read the comments.
Yes your right they are not going away for the everyday searchers who are seeking, they will be here for them to display them results that are supplied by news media websites, google capsules, youtube video links, wikipedia and other governmental websites.
Google used the panda to get rid of sites, what will be next the hippo to get rid of more sites to make more room for the sites mentioned above to show in search results? Then after a giraffe to absolutely get rid of everyone accept the sites mentions above.
Brilliant google will become a site where we can not seek any information from any other source other than news media sites and the government, etc they can tell us anything then and we will have no where to go to seek further information on what they tell us, we will just have to believe it.....because you lot will be on social media sites where no one wants you because we want to socialise on a social site not see you spamming your links to try and be better than your competitors, or our friends will be sharing/spamming your links to our newsfeeds - your blocked, your site will soon die. Now where can anyone go? oh.....to the news stream that google will become......just do some random example searches for silly things that people search for every day..... look at the top results the capsules etc.....then look at the news media links below or youtube video links, then look at other sites below them, they survived the panda, that is brilliant but will they survive the hippo or whatever is coming next? or will they be wiped out in order to join social sites to spam everyone along with the panda victims who are still fighting?The thing is... we don't care! We've been through the crap already, whereas you sound like you've only just discovered HP and content sites in general. Most of us have been around for years, we've seen the light and we make sure our main income streams are not internet based at all. You are way too late to this party, old son. The glory days have already come and gone.
Presume you do not have your own business website that is your bread and butter then?
If you have can I write your URL down now as when your off google and facebook socializers have blocked your links I might type it in my browser and come buy something of your site just to help you get a meal for a day or so.
Are you really that blind to think it is only content sites that will be affected?
Carry on not caring but don't moan when it is too late.
P.S YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN THROUGH THE START YOU THINK THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO FACE?You presume right. Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not in need of your sympathy purchase.
By the way, you are not the first, by a long shot, to turn up here and think that you have all the answers.
Edit in response to your shouty postscript. Are you really that stupid to think that anyone here relies on Hubpages for their main income? Grow up, do.I don't think I have all the answers. Hense why this was a suggestion, why don't others bring up suggestions who knows, unless we communicate darling we are doomed.
All I am getting though is abuse, and getting referenced to what is in my view spamming social sites either physically or via the spam button wooops I mean share button on social sites....we are all in the same boat, solution are not pinterest, stumbleupon have tried that......
Pinterest Is Of No Interest (long term)......
here is where google is going look at this stupid search there are wikipedia links on the first results,surely ribena their self as a company should be ranking above wikipedia it is their product, and this is a multi million pound company they are treating wikipedia and media sites better than
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … +is+ribena
Google doesn't "get rid of" my little sites despite them being free-hosted blogs by some random private citizen.
Perhaps it is because I write content based on genuine expertise. One blog I have gets $3 per click from Adsense. It relates to collecting a very specific kind of antique tool.
If you write solid content, search engines still work just fine.For god sake. read the comments.
Yes they will keep sites that have expert knowledge on UNTIL they take all the snippets of expert information off or them sites and put them in a capsule (curating content) at the top of some search results as a QUICK ANSWERS.....once they have all the expert knowledge displayed in them little capsules......what do they need you for??.....they don't so an animal called frog or something (like the panda just jumped out) will pop up (google will dictate to you and tell you to do something with your site or kick you off google) whilst keeping your expert capsules of information displayed in capsules at the top of search results.
They will also say thanks for earning us all that money and send you a christmas card for life if you beg them lol..LOL.
There will always be people looking for more than snippets from people capable for writing more than snippets. Ebooks, as I have mentioned, being one good way to profit from that market, but websites also working just fine now as they have for the last two decades.
I get the feeling that not only are you new to Hubpages you are quite new to the internet. You seem to be in that first rush of disillusionment that comes right after being sold some SEO magic bullet method and watching Panda eat it for breakfast.
Making money online requires only two skills. 1) Know something worthwhile and/or express yourself in an amusing way, and 2) keep moving your content to the best monetizing platform available. (Hint: Hubpages is not it).
You are getting good advice, as good as on any forum and better than most, but your hostile attributional bias means you are misreading and misinterpreting it. You should keep in mind that many established users on this forum actually do make most of our money online. But we tend to give general advice that someone of an analytical bent can benefit from, not just give away our lunch to random online people.Making money online requires only two skills. 1) Know something worthwhile and/or express yourself in an amusing way, and 2) keep moving your content to the best monetizing platform available. (Hint: Hubpages is not it).
Keep going then, when you're on stumbleupon 2000 and no one can find it because you lot would have drove them off of social media or made them block you, and google will not show results for such a platform that you have moved to I am sure you will be fine.wikipedia (googles friends) who the fuck needs e-books these days - yeah carry on- read the replies to marisa on page 7 of these comments
I am trying to protect you, or at least trying to form a thread of good ideas to stop us getting beat by GOOGLE AND A MASSIVE FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA KNOWN AS WIKIPEDIA THAT YOU LOT THINK YOU CAN BEAT with your little spam methods/share methods of internet marketing on social media and pinterest xx
Shame none of you will suggest good ideas, you would rather have ago at me!! Your ideas might be better than mine....lets go with the best idea...not saying mine is perfect but it is going to protect our bread and butter longer than doing nothing and letting google and wikipedia takeover willxx
I am a lover not a hater so will forgive you.
Has it not occurred to you that if Google dies or stops being useful, another search engine will rise to take its place?
And it will work ONLY if it covers the entire internet (not a cosy little club of sites that have joined the search engine of some other site, as you're suggesting).
Right now such a site wouldn't be able to compete with Google but if Google goes completely to the darkside, then people will vote with their feet and the person who's in the right place at the right time will do well. Now is too soon.Hahahahahahahahaha
google are chucking out everything you will see in time....get hubpages to grab them victims and add them to the hubpages search results, but get them sites to ad the hubpages ad program adverts.....booom there is that next search engine
are you seriously telling me you just wrote that after all this stuff you have wrote??
lets get in early and not wait for another search engine to do what hubpages can have right NOW
As said time and time again re-brand it as a search site not a site to write and earn (but still have that feature of course) and mix it in with website links that show hubpages ads - everyone is a winner.....there will be enough sites to attract with google trying to drop them off and becoming a media only site to shout about hubpages (that is how it can get out there, or do as you said curate content so hubpages homepage gets hits and gets noticed JUST FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME and just put a search bar in the middle on the homepage so people can identify what the site is A SEARCH SITE), people will soon come and search here rather than media propaganda google
Look they are dropping them off now ribena a multi million pound company can't even rank above wikipedia when searching what is ribena, yes ribena wrote the wiki page and it is linked to their site but seriously, surely they should still be above them as it is there business, are google going to seriously make every search go through wikipedia to click a link to get to the actual business? Brilliant if that is there plan, guess what each time we go to wikipedia to click a link to get to a real business we will get asked to donate to their platform because they are not a site that shows adverts so need funding....wow begging letters every time we want to see something......fuck off google
And if there plan is to make every search go through wikipedia so we get begging messages guess what all the little sites that they are throwing out NOW won't be needed as wikipedia has every bit of information required. WE ARE ALL GOING even if we are experts with beautifully presented content, so in theory it doesn't matter how spelling etc are on websites as you slated me for earlier in this thread....your content that is beautiful is going to have the same value as sites that has this on their site fvnhfruvgioehrgv3r tgouiu3origfn3r dfued feoef THAT VALUE IS NOTHING, hense why I referenced Cambridge University experiment to you. (I am good ain't I).
No one has ever said google is going to die, all I said is it is going to become a media and government message board with that massive database of information anyone could ever want to know wikipedia as its information source, you know the one that begs for donations........why they are preparing this they need all these little sites to keep non website/content writers going to google to conduct searches.....ones it is all in place though giraffe and hippo who lived next door to panda will pop up then all of a sudden our sites will not be up to googles expectations (excuse to kick us off the internet) even though for years on end our sites have been absolutely fine on their search engine. If you can't see that we are being used then I seriously give up lol.
The businesses we find on google then via wikipedia won't even need to pay for advertising their links on wikipedia (goodbye adsense good bye all the sites that rely on advertising revenue).....the public idiots will donate to wikipedia and make them google etc money....haha...my advise is get your business on wikipedia and hope people search for it....we ain't got much hope though as all keywords will only lead to big businesses wikipedia page.
And just to add insult to injury this is how stupid people are, more or less all the content on wikipedia has been added by the public, who could have quite easily of set their own sites up to share the information and made money for it. Now thanks to the stupid public every site will get wiped out and everything will be run through wikipedia via google on occasions, so the public will be getting begging messages from wikipedia/googles friends asking them for money to broadcast information the stupid public supplied. NOW WHAT IS LAUGHABLE LOVE?
Update.... I wrote an article called Pinterest Is Of No Interest, it has no amazon adds, outside links, images etc it is just pure content = NOT FEATURED = GOOGLE DICTATING = GOOGLE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK SITES LIKE PINTEREST ARE OF NO INTEREST BECAUSE PINTEREST ARE HELPING GOOGLE TO GET RID OF YOU LOT/LITTLE SITES BY TRYING TO BECOME SOMETHING
........google hold sites back with all the SEO bullshit, sites need to think outside the box and say WE DON'T NEED GOOGLE...it is almost as if all website owners thinks that google are going to become their customer and buy a product of their site if they do what google says/impress google with good content.....fuck google they won't buy nothing off of site owners websites so why you trying to impress them? The only people website owners need to impress are those that want their products (which ain't google)........they have been dictating to website owners saying that to get best results you need to please us for years.........but they are not our customers/target market...........the funniest thing though is we have all done what they said to get best results, then WE ALL CLAIMED WE KNOW OUR MARKET....sorry but if you knew your market you would not be doing everything you can to please google...you would not have followed their rules if you knew your market, because now they are going to take your market away from you and give them all to big companies.....I SALUTE YOU LOT OF EXPERTS.
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid … +is+ribenaI think this has finally got the point across.......no one replied to it lol.
We're just bored with the whole load of nonsense. Amusing for a while, but now... meh.
Okay content writer that don't care!!
Just go away please if your not going to open your mind and at least suggest things rather than just thinking because you're okay today your going to be okay in the future. The near future that is.
If you don't care just because things are okay right now, then don't moan when your kids/grand kids if you have them have absolutely no hope when they grow up.....that is what your saying people don't care about mate. Would hate parents and grand parents that don't care about me.
You don't ever answer questions that are put back at you, you don't ever suggest ways forward, all you do is fire snotty messages, so your contribution to our kids futures are not welcome, just like any web page you have out there currently will not be welcome on the internet in the near future.
I have answered anything you have asked and you just reply with childish messages like the one you just did.
And if you want to get childish and put other peoples content down because google tells you to, what the hell is writey, and squidoo don't exist no more either......and any information you have in all your hubs can be found on wikipedia/googles friends so take a good look at your hubs because you won't be seeing them ever again in the near future...when adsense is stopped by google and they are earning money by begging to the public via wikipedia.....all sites that have adsense revenue to keep them going --- GOODBYE TO THEM ALLListen up, FBNut.
1. We don't own HubPages so you are wasting your time making suggestions to us. Contact the site owners if you want to interact with the people who *can* implement changes.
2. We don't take kindly to being repeatedly called spammers.
3. We don't like people who can't control their language in a forum.
4. We don't like people who have been members for just two weeks, talking to us as if we haven't got a clue.
5. If you don't care for how things work, then you know what you can do.
Comprendez?1. We don't own HubPages so you are wasting your time making suggestions to us. Contact the site owners if you want to interact with the people who *can* implement changes.
They are to google brainwashed and to busy trying to please google because they can't think for them selves.
2. We don't take kindly to being repeatedly called spammers.
You may not take kindly to it darling, but any site that gets shares or pins are getting their links spammed. I am not calling you a spammer, I m saying if 40 people share you link on my social media, all I see is your link 40 times....that darling looks spammy as fuck and unfortunately it is not you sweetheart that is at fault for you links getting spammed, you're not spamming physically I don't mean that at all, you must have experienced it on your newsfeed mate, different friends sharing the same link, it becomes in your feed/in your face constantly....it is tolerable at the moment but imagine when business/site owners, million of them competing with each other have no where to get seen because google kicked them off...we are going to be getting constantly links from friends sharing in our faces, it will become like actual statues of friends will be playing hiding seek on our newsfeed and we will have to find them.
3. We don't like people who can't control their language in a forum.
Oh, I am sorry for using words that are in the dictionary. See how we are programmed? They're only words. If the people that control us wanted to change things and make the word "IT" or something become a swear word, which they can if they wanted too, would I have to stop using that word to?
4. We don't like people who have been members for just two weeks, talking to us like we haven't got a clue.
You haven't.
5. If you don't care for how things work, then you know what you can do.
HUH??? what so their not working that you are up against google and wikipedia that everyone has heard of so them sites don't need to go to sites like facebook/pinterest and spam the shit out them sites?You are getting more unintelligible as you go on.
One more time - barely anyone writes on HP to make money.
If you know already that HP owners are not interested in what you say, why the hell are you continuing your pointless tirade? Those of us who own websites know every single point you have made. We work on what we can change, and go with the flow on the rest.
You have no idea how things will pan out in the next six months, let alone the next ten years.
Take it somewhere else. Please.Again.....it is not about making money it is about giving everyone that is going to get kicked off the internet somewhere to live
I tell you what go and research where google is heading and where you lot are heading.....hope you have wikipedia pages, oh wait there how strange wikipedia will probably not let you have one or will only let you have one if you give them the content they tell you tooo dictating again....your fucked and you won't listen.....good luck in the cyber war and thinking you can beat google and wikipedia with your spamming methods or curating methods you really are laughable
And your so blind you can't see how google can just kick sites off of the internet that they dont need you go on and on about the panda but you don't think of the next one they chuck out and what changes they say have to be made by site owners.....what if you don't survive that one like some never survived the panda?I live in the real world, boyo. If the internet died tomorrow, I'd be somewhat peeved, but life would go on. I would still write. I would still earn a living and so would everyone else here.
There was life before the web, you know?... Or maybe you weren't around then.It's true, the internet has been a useful tool for a while but it is becoming less so now - and businesses will adapt and move on, as they always have.
Yes the big business will adapt and move on with out us darling.....come on it is all there for us all too see mate......
In the real world where all the little shops will close down and massive supermarkets will take their place.....same effect online all the little sites will close down and just leave the big boys.....
You might live in the real world........but it don't effect how your going to be dictated to on scale that is massively worse than what it is now.....our poor kidsHow odd that in the UK the 'massive supermarkets' are losing ground while the smaller ones are growing like crazy. Lots of small shops opening where I live. Local market's doing well too.
Perhaps you haven't realised there is a backlash against the large conglomerates?
It's great to live in a world where anyone can be successful.
No, it doesn't mean you've got your point across. It just means we've realised there's no point in trying to point out the massive flaws in your argument, because you're not open to debating any alternative ideas WE put forward, you just wilfully misunderstand them.
I have discussed them, they are spam methods....please discuss it further then and explain how they are not spamming boards and buttons? You can't.....you will only realise they are spamming methods when that is your only source of getting people to see your website, and unfortunately the people you will be spamming will be other website owners/spammers...pinterest has limited interest to people without web pages, so they do not need to use it....you won't realise before so you're going to argue with me...I actually want google to hurry up now and kick you lot off their platform just so you see what you will then have to go and do with your web pages that have no google adsense on them because it won't exist.....
Pinterest has 100 million active users and 176 million registered members. You think they all have websites?
I want HP to hurry up now and kick you off their platform, so you can go spew your vitriol somewhere else.Who said anything about buttons?
I think you are talking about a method whereby you post stuff on Facebook or Pinterest or a forum with the expectation that friends and readers will then share those posts with others. That's not what I'm talking about, and if you'd read my post properly you'd know that.
What I'm talking about is participating genuinely and actively on these sites so that people value your participation and friendship, and learn to trust your expertise and knowledge. If you can achieve that, then people will eventually visit your website and IF your site is good, then they will let their friends know how good it is by creating their OWN post on Facebook or wherever, or in an email, or mentioning it in conversation, etc.
It's basically exactly the same method as you proposed to spread the word about HubPages - except that it's much much much easier to do if you specialise in one particular subject, because it's so much easier to achieve respect in a small community of like-minded people.Yes be active that is great. But you don't have control over me going to your website site right now and clicking the share button, mu friend might see it and without looking at it they might share, so might their friend so your link is getting spammed and you have no control over it.
Can you lot actually think beyond your actions and look around at what actions others are making? stop thinking about yourselfs and what you are doing LOOK AROUND YOU
HELL YES you are right that is what I am saying to do with Hubpages - then what did I say??? after a while people will start coming here to search.....guess what we can stop doing it then.....you lot won't have that choice to stop mateBut why would those friends share a link without looking at it? You must have some very thick friends if they do that. If they share it because they trust their friend's opinion of the site, then it's a good share - they're letting their friends know this is a good site worth visiting. And since they're just being happy about finding a new site, they're going to share ONCE - not keep on annoying their friends with repeat posts. So no one will be "constantly" seeing the same posts over and over.
And let's be clear - I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SHARING POSTS BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY PICTURE. And I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FRIENDS OF THE WEBSITE OWNER SHARING BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDS. I'm talking about happy customers sharing a post because they've discovered a fantastic new site that they think their friends will like. If someone shares something like that with you, do you really reply, "stop trying to be helpful, I'll find my own useful sites you f*wit"?.you will see what happens just carry on so i don't have to keep repeating myself.....remember the panda? good luck surviving the next one.......
Why have sites died because of the panda? social media was there then to do what your saying......the answer is they did what you are saying but it never worked.......they tried it before you
Facebook will have to change their advertising methods when it all happens to look after non website owners......they will also have searches that bring up information people require that is supplied by wikipedia......no one needs you or your sites.....they only need you temporarily.....we have massive businesses selling products that every little site sells......they be your competition on facebook......we have massive information sources in wikipedia they show up in facebook searches......they will be your competition......LOOK AROUND YOU
do some searches on facebook that people do on search engines and see if groups of small sites come up or notYou just can't grasp the concept can you?
I'd rather walk the dogs. After that I'm going to write some commissioned content. Then I might play around with my paints. Happiness and an easy life is what I seek, not 'cyber-wars'.
What your chipped dog, awww they are watching where you walk lovely isn't it.....that is the real world as you called it darling...
And where you going to buy your paints from???You might be getting your registration chips mixed up with your RFID chips. It's good to know the difference.
My paints? Why, sweetie, I make them myself.hahaha....yes registration that is all it is for.
Why do we have to REGISTER CHILD BIRTHS TO? Is this of any use to us?
Oh we need a birth certificate for ID don't we so must register ourselves for that purpose only REALLY?
Also ain't certificates for achievements? Yay I have a certificate for achieving being born hahaAh, not only a football nut but a conspiracy nut too. Fantastic!
I've read all that stuff too, 'darling'. My innate intelligence leads me to think that while there are some grounds for concern (i.e. my kids don't get the MMR), most of it is utter tripe. The powers-that-be haven't got a clue what they are doing half the time. I keep an eye on things but I don't let them bother me. Life's too short to worry.
I bet your kid goes to school. Mine didn't.
Cheer up!
where do you buy the products that you need to make them yourself?
I actually give up I really do, I really really really do!!
Talk about repeating myself over and over again because it will not sink in you do NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER OTHER PEOPLES ACTIONS....I AM GOING TO GO YOUR HUB AND SHARE IT, THEN SEE IF MY MATES SHARE IT THEN SEE IF THEIR MATES SHARE.....NONE OF THEM WILL PROBABLY LOOK AT IT THOUGH.....YOU CAN'T CONTROL PEOPLE SPAMMING YOUR LINKS.....SORRY BUT SEEING YOUR LINK ALL THE TIME WHEN MY FRIEND SHARE IT MIGHT PISS OUR MUTUAL FRIEND OFF THAT WILL CONSTANTLY SEE YOUR LINK
P.S I am really pissing myself now. not sure if you see a comment i left yesterday about cyber wars......the BBC got attacked this morning hahaha ....think you should start listening....CYBER WARS lol xx
I would say Hubpages is already doing whatever is in it's the best interest, to both generate revenue for the site and progress forward with the various changes of the future. You have no control over it, so I wouldn't even think about because you are just chasing your tail. You don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
Nope hubpages is doing everything they can to rank on google...who are planning to fuck them off mate....cut the tie they don't need google
All they need is angry website owners that google have used but then de-ranked by bringing out stupid animal names like panda, no one thinks out side the box- the automatic reaction is, I better do something so I get back in googles good books....My problem is I love everyone, and care...but if you read through these comments it sounds like I am screaming at people and I hate that......if you read the marissa replies on page 7 of this comment thread you will understand mate that we are not going to beat google and the free encyclopedia known as wikipedia unless we stick together...sorry but my bread and butter has gone next year along with many others that think because they are okay today everything is okay....they can't see next years situation...I can xxWhy has "your bread and butter gone next year"? Were you planning to start a new career as an online writer? Sorry, but unfortunately that bus left a long time ago and you missed it.
Before the internet, very few writers were able to make a living from writing. They had to get other jobs as well. Then the internet arrived and for a wonderful few years, it was possible to create a blog or write on writing sites and make a good living while lazing on a beach in Bali.
You can't do that now.
If that was your plan then I can understand why you're angry and disappointed - but turning HubPages into Google's competition won't change it. There are alternative search engines available, like DuckDuckGo, and virtually no one uses them.No, my sites have gone just like everyones else. You are not looking past content writing sites, every site is going but hubpages has the chance to give them somewhere so they don't have to go spamming.
Right I am getting fed up now anyway, no one wants to know so get on with it. You all seem to think that spamming is going to see you through. And you all want to say yes google I have exactly 983 words on each page, 1 picture with 300x300 pixels on my page and a picture of a guy picking his nose, so now will you give me a better search result, if they bring that out and call is a giraffe or whatever pathetic name they want to in an attempt to get rid of you and many other sites, good luck every website out there that has to go through every single page and and make sure each page has the attribute google says or get kicked off.......then head over to where I socialize and spam the shit out of to get a little bit of traffic.......you still think any of us are going to last? Pnterest will die off as none of you that use are looking at who is REALLY visiting your links on that SPAM board....it is other website owners........it is traffic eexchanging in effect....that will die off....the public are stupid but they are not that stupid, it has no appeal to anyone that does not have a website.....but they are the people websites needExcellent, you are going. Maybe you have a real life somewhere, who knows.
I just wonder why you continue to accuse Hubbers of spamming? Which members here are spamming? In the last 4 years or so of being on Pinterest, I've maybe posted 6 images relating to one blog and perhaps 10 images from another non-commercial art blog. None related to HubPages. Is that what you call spamming?
If you want to stay on HP, I'd suggest you give up the unnecessary swearing. It does you no favours and will most likely get you kicked off.I have never, ever in any of my posts said that anyone should spam. I still can't believe that you can read my explanation and get such a TOTALLY incorrect picture of what I'm describing. You're making a lot of completely wrong assumptions about what I'm talking about. So you're right, we are at such cross-purposes debate is pointless.
And by the way, I just did a Google search for a ballet topic and the Wikipedia answer was several posts down the page, below a small blog on the subject.
Yea but I agree with Marisa and the others argument. Hubpages is not a search engine was not intended to be a search engine and will not become a search engine. It's a site to encourage intelligent writing.
You have been here two weeks like me. It is hard for me to take an opinion from someone who has never earned or did anything on here before. You are talking to members here who have had serious time on here, like many, many years of writing and who know the ropes of the system. I would listen to them and treat them with respect and maybe cut down on the swearing too, it just doesn't look good. Not trying to stir the proverbial pot just my two cents. Hope this helps. Cheers.
All about the money. See that is how people view hubpages. We need to change that to hubpages is a search site. We write content behind the scenes, information seekers come here to search.
I think you have explained my whole point about hubpages needs to be re-branded, it needs to be seen as a information seeking site, not a site to earn. Else all you will get here is in-house traffic, meaning writers looking at writers content.........NOT VERY BENEFICIAL....there is a search bar at the top of every page, lets make that the focal point, if people search what we write on this site surely it has to be better than writing and waiting for a click from google to our page....I have not earned no money you are correct, that is because I am waiting for a lucky search from google.... if hubpages branded himself as a search site and people used that search box on every page I might be found...that is my point....we are all missing out because hubpages brand themself as a write and earn site ...but we write and don't earn because they are not making that search bar on the pages the focal point.
I am not here to earn. Just here to point out facts.And 'write' about your top ten sexiest women soccer players. Perhaps you're hoping for a lucky pin?
BTW, the very first word on your profile is misspelt.Who cares....you knew what it meant to realise it is was spelt wrong
Read this:
fcuk off ggoole
Spellings and SEO are all bullshit to please google that are not giving you nothing back/or will give you less and less back as time passes/as their changes are being made and they start to not need you anymore on their site.
What is wrong with top 10 sexiest women? It is what i want to share. Nothing is wrong with it, and if you look others have cast votes/shown interaction. There's nothing wrong with it other than your google brainwashed head telling you there is.
If none of you are going to add any suggestions other than pinterests spam board, of other forums spam boards, or social sites spam/share button and just have a go at me instead of trying to give your sites/web pages somewhere to be found without spamming social sites that are designed for people to socialise then please can we bring this forum to a close?
All about the money? I was just stating a point. I don't think anyone is going to have an answer for you on the subject. With all due respect I'm going to have to bow out of this one..however, I do wish you luck on your slaying of the BIG BAD GOOGLE MONSTER
Don't matter where you go the google monster will beat you because everyone is worried about getting kicked off of google and losing a traffic source.....it is almost as if they think google loves them for doing as they're told...they are going to get kicked off anyway when the time is right....
No. Google isn't a 'monster'. It's just a business doing what any good business does; protecting and growing its income stream by giving the market what it wants.
Look at how Panda works for example. A large part of the algorithm is based on traffic metrics. How long a visitor stays on your site, how many pages they view, whether they return back to the search engine and how long it takes for that to occur. Good metrics (especially when compared to other sites in the same industry) suggest that a page is relevant to the search term and lead to a higher quality rating. This is a matter of the way searchers use your site, and the sites that are negatively impacted by Panda receive a penalty because they aren't as relevant or useful as other sites by comparison.
At no point is Google specifically 'selecting' sites that it wants to rank highly. Your readers, and how they react to your content, are a large part of how Google determines which site is better. This is a variable you can control. The marketing department of big businesses track things like this constantly and adjust their approach accordingly. That is why they outrank other sites for quality in the eyes of Panda; not because of preferential treatment. How often do you analyse your traffic?
Another controllable variable is on-page ranking signals. You can continue to decry keywords and other necessary page elements as 'worthless', but that's hardly the case. Keywords, titles, contextual relevance, etc are all very important factors that allow a search engine to understand what your page is about. Done incorrectly, or not at all, it is impossible to rank for a search term because Google has no idea that your article is relevant to that query. It's common sense that no ranking signals are going to give you a first page ranking; they only serve to tell Google that your content applies to a term. It takes more to rank. You need relevance to a term, backlinks from authoritative sites in the same industry, a good Panda quality rating, and trust.
This brings us to the root of ranking on a search engine: backlinks. Links carry trust and authority to show a search engine that your page is valuable to readers. They also add relevance through anchor text. Google has always used backlinks as its most important ranking factor, and this isn't likely to change any time soon. If your page has a handful of valuable links pointing back to it, and yet a Wikipedia page has thousands of valuable links, what do you really expect to happen on the search result page? It has nothing to do with Google giving Wikipedia preferential treatment. The site is 14 years old and has over 38 million pages. Thousands of people link to each Wikipedia page as a source within their own articles. You can't compete with that because a small site will rarely be able to accrue as many quality backlinks as Wikipedia.
Then, in cases of other big businesses...these entities have marketing teams. They analyse traffic metrics because if visitors are happy with the page, conversions are higher, and Panda doesn't penalise the site. This is an ongoing cycle of data accumulation, analysis, and adjustment that most small sites, and especially individual writers, won't ever do, let alone to the extent that big business does. They hire SEO teams to ensure their content is relevant to search terms they target, and also directly reach out to websites in their industry and 'recommend linking' to their content as a marketing tactic to increase backlinks. This is why they out-rank you. Google doesn't simply prefer them; they simply have a lot of money and resources at their disposal to allow them to rise to the top of the result page.
In the end, the arguments against big business in Google search are akin to the arguments used by small business against big business in the brick and mortar world. "They monopolise the economy and we can't compete". The question is, what are you doing to compete and why do you deserve to beat them? Big businesses become big because they know how to approach the market and they provide goods / services that are at a quality expected by the market. You can't become a national or global brand by sheer luck. The same applies to the online world. These sites don't out-rank you because they're in bed with Google; they out-rank you because they are better than you. Rather than trying to change the game, you should be looking at changing your approach to the game.
Current homepage
When signed out it looks like this
Proposed, something modelled on Google's homepage like:
Why not take the bull by its horns and simultaneously simplify?
Frankly we don't need more novice writers as much as we need a prominent search facility for existing quality content. This may be a time for a shift of focus.I agree there's a case for making the home page a proper "portal" for the site, but we do come back to the fact that non-writers just don't visit the home page, so they won't see it.
Yes, I agree too. FBNUTs has a point about the home page and Sue's graphics illustrate it very well.
But Marisa's right too. Hardly anyone sees that page because they visit a hub via a search engine. What might HP do to make its home page a natural landing stage? It'll never be a search engine so what's the solution? Advertise on social media (FBN would love that!)?
I also agree that HP needs to attract competent writers. HP should not be where beginners and ESL people come to practice. Sorry to have to say it, but bad writing is the last thing HP needs. However, good writers are hardly going to be attracted by the earning potential.
We're all doomed"What can HP do to make its home page a natural landing page?"
That's exactly the problem and it's been a dilemma for all generalist writing sites. It's easy enough for them to market to writers as a place to write, but it's hard for them to market to readers. I mean, what do they say?
If HP only allowed creative writing, then it could say, "come to HP and find an eclectic mix of fiction and poetry in all genres". If it only allowed how-to's, it could say, "come to HP and get instructions on how to do almost anything". If it only allowed - well you get the picture.
So what would HP's marketing spiel be?
FBN has been banned for 24 hours. He emailed this to me:
"This is why we have got to catch the sites google are throwing out with excuses like panda, the panda is not all we will face. Something else will come up soon when google are ready telling we are only allowed 983 words on every page or something. Websites owners will not be able to fix that, so will all be gone leaving google to only display information results from wikipedia (little sites are not needed for information), news media, youtube (google owned), government sites and big businesses.
If we catch them victims whose contact has been fine on google for years whilst google needed them and add their links to the search results on here providing they replace adsense with hubpages ads, all them little sites will shout about hubpages which will bring the people here. Advertising revenue will go up as the traffic will be quality traffic not shared on social media traffic, you will benefit.
Re-brand it as a search site, all the little sites are looking for alternatives so will come here to add their link/content, instead of going to spam boards like pinterest's, or to a place where people want to socialise and relying in the spam/share buttons."
My reply to that:
"You need to send this to HubPages at 95 Minna Street, San Francisco, CA 94105
First, they would have to agree. Then you'd need to identify these sites you'd want to include. Not an easy job - in fact, almost impossible. Every site would have to be checked. Who is going to do that? Who will pay the checkers, and from what income source?
Google cannot remove any site from the web unless it owns the platform (blogger, Youtube, etc), it can only rank them further down the search results, or exclude them from its own search results if the site is guilty of some violation, such as copyright theft after being served with a DMCA. The best thing we can hope for is that Google becomes the architect of its own demise - in the same way that great numbers of people (not enough) are leaving Facebook.
Unfortunately, you will never defeat social media sites and apps as they change, adapt and spring up according to the wishes of the public.
Hubpages, as it is, is a dinosaur - we all know that. Unless it transforms into some sort of mobile-friendly, social media centre, it's b*****ed."You need to send this to HubPages at 95 Minna Street, San Francisco, CA 94105
Response - There is no point everyone is too google brainwashed and too busy doing what google tell them (who are not even their target audience).
First, they would have to agree. Then you'd need to identify these sites you'd want to include. Not an easy job - in fact, almost impossible. Every site would have to be checked. Who is going to do that? Who will pay the checkers, and from what income source?
Response - Google are kicking every site off of their website except wikipedia, government based websites, news media sites, youtube, and big big product selling based companies. There you go every site is the identity right there in front of you. Vetting process is explained below. Hubpages will not have to go find these sites, these sites will find hubpages when they have to look for an alternative, if hubpages re-brands it will get sites coming to it manually.
Google cannot remove any site from the web unless it owns the platform (blogger, Youtube, etc), it can only rank them further down the search results, or exclude them from its own search results if the site is guilty of some violation, such as copyright theft after being served with a DMCA. The best thing we can hope for is that Google becomes the architect of its own demise - in the same way that great numbers of people (not enough) are leaving Facebook.
Response - This is what I mean by you're not thinking. Yes, your are correct they can not physically do that but just say for example I have a website with 10,000 pages of QUALITY information (that google no longer need because wikipedia probably have similar information available). If google bring out giraffe next door to panda and say every page has to have 983 words on, I will have to go fix every page whilst still trying to supply the same information on each page. If I don't do this what will happen? Google will kick me off of their search site, which will result in google saying your site is not good enough to display adsense on - boom my income source has gone, if I have other advert suppliers on my site as well they are so brainwashed by google they will say, sorry you can't display our adverts no more as your not good enough for google search results, even though the exact same content has been for years on end. I CAN'T SURVIVE WITH NO INCOME
If I have a website where I sell products and have adverts on as a source of income but do not have exactly 983 words on each page I will have to fix it to stay on google. If I don't I will lose all that advertising revenue, and have no where to be found other than on spam boards such as pinterest, or social media spam/share buttons, where I will be praying that everyone on facebook shares my link so all everyone will see is my link in their newsfeed (looks so spammy), the chances are if they done that though people would start blocking my link (boom I have no one anymore). Yes you can correspond with customers as a manner of getting sales, but if one bit of customer satisfaction is not met such as a item breaks in the delivery method from me to the customer...one status that takes two seconds to appear will bring me to a public argument via comments with customers. Not only that I will have to compete with all them ITEMS FOR SALE pages that every single town in the world has. And not to mention prices of products will have to rise because advertising revenue will be lost which is another bad thing for product sellers to be forced to do, as they are small businesses prices will be higher than the big businesses left on google so where will people go??????
We are all going to be left to die off. Leaving nothing but google and the sites mentioned above. At the moment they still need us though to keep normal searchers going to google, once they have it all in place boooom the giraffe will come out and lose loads more sites from google/google adsense/all advertising platforms so they can't generate an income. Some may survive like some did the panda, but then after that another animal or something will pop to completely wipe out everyone.
Unfortunately, you will never defeat social media sites and apps as they change, adapt and spring up according to the wishes of the public.
Response -The wishes of the public is to search what that want, google are adapting to only supply information from the mentioned sites, the public will love us.
Hubpages, as it is, is a dinosaur - we all know that. Unless it transforms into some sort of mobile-friendly, social media centre, it's b*****ed."
To get the homepage seen, attract all the sites google are going to throw out, they will do the talking for us. Then do as marissa said, add a pieces of curated content at the bottom of every hub explaining what hubpages is with a link to the homepages, people will start saving that as a tab/homepage once they realise that google are nothing but a governmental news media board.
The vetting can be done through the AD CODES that sites place on their websites. Ad codes are targeted and will show ads to do with the content on each page. If a page contains prohibited content ads will not show as there will be no ads in the hubpages ad directory of such natures. Hubpages will see they're are not earning and will go look why. As for sourcing the vetting process let the ad codes do that, if more staff are required because of the amount of vetting required that will be a good sign of growth, and it would mean that more sites have come here which means more sites are displaying hubpages ads, which means they will be getting more incomes, which means as they are getting more income they can afford to invest in new staff members to suit the growth of this website's needs.You say that like it's a bad thing.
Content creation as a practice, job, hobby or whatever you want to call it, didn't exist until about a decade ago. That the industry that created that need has grown or move away from it is not surprising. The internet did not create a demand for content creators for the intent of employing them, it just demanded what it wanted.
Unfortunately, just demanding what one wants does not work as well when that demand comes while ignoring all processes that came before or which are even in play at the moment. Just like how putting forth the same beliefs over and over, repeatedly saying the same things lounder and louder, is not a debate or discussion.Think deeper, your right it didn't exist.
But now it does and people have based their life around their income, if you cut their income what are they going to do? All them people that have gone to university etc to make it in the internet world who know nothing different are in their 30' or 40's.........what they going to do? Lose their houses that they have mortgage etc on. or are 100's and 100's of thousands of non internet related jobs going to magically become available?
Your saying it like these sites are not needed, everything every site out there has on it will still be available, however it will only be supplied by big sites.
Nothing is going to change in a normal searchers eyes, they will not even notice the transition of sites dropping off until it is completed and that all have dropped off except the ones mentioned.And how many ordinary people do you know personally in the real world, who *only* rely on the internet for all their income? Not very many, I would guess. I don't know a single one.
Hubpages staff.
About.com staff and writers.
Internet marketers.
Pinterest staff
Godaddy staff
Every website domain name selling companies staff
Evert website that offers internet marketing platforms staff.
All the staff that work for job related/agency related websites that won't be needed as it will just be the government job related site left.
There is probably millions that rely on the internet as a source of income, they don't have to be writer/content suppliers they can work for companies too.
Do I need to go on?I said, how many do you know personally? Individuals; your neighbours, your mates, your extended family? You have no idea what the actual circumstances are of those you mentioned.
Edit: Neither do you care about the ones you mentioned, since they are not the topic of this discussion, being pretty much Google-protected (according to you). You were talking about small website owners and individual content providers - you can't move the goalposts to suit yourself.The topic of the conversation is the internet is going and it involves everyone, but it is not going in the sense of disappearing it is going in the sense that it will belong to the big boys....just like your town probably is, all the little shops shutting and supermarkets moving in etc...
Yes I know people whose income is through the internet and I also know people who have lost their businesses through googles dictatorship.
As to say I don't care, like I said when you're wiped out and can't make your paints no more because the only option you have is to go and buy the ingredients to make your own paints will be from a big company who will price the ingredients higher than buying a pot of paint - you will not be making your own paints no more, that is a form of them dictating to you that you can't do something you enjoy doing.
My friend in the Bay Area went to trade school in the late 80s, and he learned a brand-new job, one that hadn't existed before. He learned to repair computer motherboards. That went great for about a decade, and towards the end, the guys that had those skills could work as much as they liked, making money hand over fist.
And then one day, the entire tech industry changed, and nobody repaired motherboards anymore. Literally, manufacturing shifted and a high-demand job became an obsolete one overnight.
When I was a kid, when you dialed zero on a phone, you got a human who then had to look up whatever phone number info were trying to find. And then you would write down what they said with a pen or pencil, hang up and redial whatever they had just said. Touch-tone phones arrived later.
What's happening now is nothing new in the greater scheme of modern society even if it's never happened to you before.My friend in the Bay Area went to trade school in the late 80s, and he learned a brand-new job, one that hadn't existed before. He learned to repair computer motherboards. That went great for about a decade, and towards the end, the guys that had those skills could work as much as they liked, making money hand over fist.
And then one day, the entire tech industry changed, and nobody repaired motherboards anymore. Literally, manufacturing shifted and a high-demand job became an obsolete one overnight.
Is his business or this industry internet related? If people have problems google will have employees such as your friend, telling him how much he is allowed to earn/his hourly wage, suppose to him being able to earn what he wanted. Good he made something from nothing but he had the help of the internet to get himself out there, if a kid in 5 years wants to get him self out there with his brand new idea how is he going to do it without google seeing it first then nicking his/her business platform like they are nicking everyone website content now?
When I was a kid, when you dialed zero on a phone, you got a human who then had to look up whatever phone number info were trying to find. And then you would write down what they said with a pen or pencil, hang up and redial whatever they had just said. Touch-tone phones arrived later.
Yes, this is true. Then websites appeared for people to find numbers etc (they're going so are their staff).
What's happening now is nothing new in the greater scheme of modern society even if it's never happened to you before.
Business evolves all the time, and that means some businesses cease to be economically viable. It's tough but it's the way business has always been. Relache gives some great examples of other situations where that's happened - it's the way of the world.
They say that in a gold rush, the people who make the most money are the people selling shovels. The internet has been like a gold rush - those who got in early got the gold. Anyone who's joined the rush since 2011 has been panning for the dregs - meanwhile the early starters have moved on to "selling shovels" (website design, SEO, social marketing) to the late arrivals. And of course, the people who sell shovels WANT you to believe you can still make a fortune - so you'll still find plenty of people promising you can make a living blogging.
It was always inevitable that the gold would start to run out.Good luck starting new businesses without having any means of getting your business seen. Or if you do get that business seen remember your up against the big boys such as googles friends.
I am really getting bored of this conversation now. I have reported the forum and it has not been removed or stopped. You can't see the bigger picture that is fine.If you know it won't be seen, why would you bother starting that new business? You'd choose another idea. The internet is not the only business opportunity in the world.
Then it is not worthwhile you continuing to push this any further is there? Blabbing on and on to us, the forum members, i.e. the ones who don't own the site, cannot resolve one single issue. Not a one. You can have all the agreement in the world but the only people who can change HP are the ones who can implement those changes.
I really think this has run its course, don't you?
PS Don't email me anymore, there's a sweetheart.
So is HP doomed? They have to attract people here somehow to make good content.
The methodology of HubPages has always been that it attracts writers - it's then up to the writers to attract the traffic (by writing information-rich, Google-friendly Hubs).
FBNut's concern is that that strategy doesn't work as well as it used to, and that's certainly true. The question is whether it can continue to work well enough, so that writers will continue to feel it's worthwhile.Even if it is geared towards members and writers, they should be featuring different articles on the home page, not the same articles month after month. I have nothing against the snot article, but once I've read it, I don't need to see it on the home page. I assume that's why you follow an article.
As I mentioned before, Etsy thought up a creative way for members to prop each other up by having them create treasuries, which are then featured on the home page for everyone. Ultimately, Etsy chooses which treasuries appear on their home page (focus on a particular color or holiday), so I think there is a good balance between what members want and what Etsy knows it needs to put out there. It's not always fair but at least if you take good photos, you have a chance of being on the home page.
From what I understand, many if not all the content sites have fallen by the wayside. In the long term this should help HP immensely am I correct?
Yes, until google say something and HP jump to their commands or face getting their adverts took off of their site. Which equals closure.
Jesse, I don't think the closure of other writing sites has made any real difference to HubPages.
Ask yourself, who is HubPages' competition? It's not just other writing sites, it's the whole of the internet - people who write dance Hubs are in competition with dance articles on any site, for instance. So, the closure of other writing sites would've removed a lot of articles from the internet, but there are many thousands of articles still there.
But what does Google really gain from shoving the same Wiki articles down everyone's throat? From a business standpoint you would think they want fresh ever evolveing content for viewers.
Wikipedia does not show adverts mate, they beg for donations.
They are google friends, it will not be the same article it will be whatever anyone searches/what information they seek that will only show wikipedia capsules or links. People will divert to their and get begged to donate, and the public will donate.
And guess what?
All the sites that survive on adsense revenue will be gone because google will stop adsense as their income will come from wikipedia. Big businesses will belinked from wikipedia and will not have to pay for advertising, as keywords will link to their wikipedia page, then the searcher will get begged.
Do an example search, just imagine you wanted to know what Ribena is:
Go on google now mate and search
what is ribena
above the actual ribena business website link is wikipedia, click that wikipedia link read what it is, get a begging message, then click the link to the ribena website to get to their site. That is how it will all work, for any kind of business search, informations search etc etcWhy do you think Wikipedia is Google's friend? What does Google get out of it?
A cup of coffee...what do you think they get out of it??
Why do you think so many searches show wikipedia in capsules with pretty pictures before searchers get to view them horrible links from little sites???
Do you think they are showing wikipedia in that fashion RIGHT NOW for nothing???
Wikipedia is a donation based website, perfect for google to drop adsense once everything is in shape, booom night night all you little sites, now we will rely on the dopey public that supplied wikipedia with all the knowledge on it to donate to us or tell them we have to shut it down.....people will donate
Going to ask you again...
What is the point of your continuing this discussion with forum members who have no control over the future of HP?
If you have all the answers, shouldn't you be directing them at the people who can actually do something about it?Because sweetheart they are so brainwashed by impressing google with all the SEO crap. It needs people to get them to listen not just one person mate.
Ask yourself after how google treated hubpages with the panda (because they were ready to start clearing sites out) why the heck are they still trying to get back in their good books? Hubpages are trying to get back in their good books to get better searches, sod that, what happens if they get back in their google books then the week after google fancy another clear out?
Is it worth it, or should they just attempt to go on there own, they have all the facilities right here right now to do it.
Someone needs to catch all these sites that are dropping off of google slowly so that wikipedia, news sites, youtube, government sites etc can go above them, lets catch them and save their income however small it is.HubPages has already made it clear the answer is no.
If you think it's such a good idea, why don't you start up a new search engine yourself? Or perhaps one of the other writing sites like Wizzley or PersonaPaper or DailyTwoCents would be more open to your concept.Why did they say NO??
Because they are google brainwashed, they may wish they said yes once them million views you say they get a day is zero views.
If you realise I am responding to your questions/points.
Yes they have said no so stop commenting. I reported the forum ages ago to try and get it shut, deleted or whatever and it is still here.
It is only you that wants the last word that I am not going to let you have that keeps on.
Yes hubpages have said no on the basis their advertisers wont let them (google) who have deranked their site so badly already they have lost 72 million views a day.
A minimum of one big company per week they are buying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m … _by_GoogleCheck out Alphabet too!!
No mention of adsense in their plans or small site owners just a cleaner google with a collection of companies with strong CEO's of who GOOGLE WILL COMPENSATE and fund (what could be more cleaner than having no sites except the ones they own, the big boys sites and one massive information database known as wikipedia)???
https://abc.xyz/
Look at that domain name, that will keep it hidden, you may have to click the "more" link on that one sentence you can see on that empty page....think they were hoping people don't click more just think that was it, is there really any need to have a more link on a page with nothing on it on a domain that will never get hits so will never rank above abc kids searches who would not understand it? Having one sentence on a page Google is bad for SEO as you so often dictate to every single brainwashed website owner, domain URL like that and bad SEO, almost as if they want this hidden.
And here is form 8-k as confirmation of the MERGER company alphabet registering
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ … d8k12b.htm
And as for the few pence of earnings you mentioned, think deeper if this site got quality traffic (it was searched because people want it information or something), instead of it getting put on pinterest in the hope some one wants it, companies will pay more to advertise, that means just through getting page views the earnings will be more because it is quality seeked traffic..people searching and not even landing on your pages will make the advertising revenue go up...that benefits everyone.....do you not realise how quickly the few pence can become hundreds and potentially a income to live off of?Alphabet is the holding company that owns Google. To suggest or imply this is an alternative in any way shape or form to Google couldn't be more erroneous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.
"Alphabet Inc. (commonly known as Alphabet) is an American multinational conglomerate created in 2015 as the parent company of Google and several other companies previously owned by or tied to Google."Yes but that parent company is owned by the google owners......
They own the parent company that all the sites within that group are part of, they will appoint a SEO and COMPENSATE such companies, then they are making google cleaner
What could be more cleaner than having nothing on google accept themselves, big companies in their group, media etc etc
They are organising the worlds information which means they will make the whole internet cleaner....this means spam boards like pinterest and social share buttons will get cleaned up when the time is right....read the ABC link and read everything not just the first paragraph like with that wikipedia quote you just left as away of trying to tell me I am wrong
I added a link above of form 8-k confirming who registered alphabet. And before you say the internet will end or whatever if they do this, please look how fast bitcoin is growing and at how shops are starting to accept bitcoin both online and offline.
https://abc.xyz/
Oh and here is a quote from experienced pinterest users without websites/web pages to promote:
"In practice, it serves as the equivalent of going through a catalog and circling all the s*** you want but can't have."
That is pretty accurate, good luck keeping it going before people get fed up. Welcome stumbleupon number 3 after that, that won't even be able to get off the ground as it will not be able to be found....
Did ask someone before how Pinterest generate income as they don't seem to have any adverts, just found this about their income plan, a select companies, are little sites going to be able to afford to spend as much as big sites??
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Pinteres … ness-model
Not sure what truth is in this either but look who is pinning things if this is true?
They are currently generating revenue by using an affiliate method called SkimLinks (http://skimlinks.com/). If you click through this pin from pinterest:
you will notice that there is an affiliate link (using Skimlinks) appended to the URL:
?reco=Rec_pdp_13518864_ClickCP_Adjacency&ref=tgt_adv_xasd0001&AFID=Performics_Skimlinks&LNM=Primary
This revenue model typically pays between 2-5% of the purchase. Skimlinks reads the URL and then appends an affiliate string to the URL when an affiliate relationship is available.
Since many "Pins" are products from sites that have affiliate programs, you can imagine how much $$$ can be made.
What will happen when people start joining affiliate programs in the mass and all pinning the same items in the hope other pinners who pin affiliate links will buy from them even though they pinned the same links...
And you can be the person who saves all those incomes. Off you go - there's work to be done.
I would if I had a site that is already in a position to do, why don't you listen. This site is ready to catch everyone.
You seem to think just because google is adapting that everyday searchers are too, but they are not. Hense why google have to do it bit by bit instead of just dropping every site in one hit. If they drop everyone the every day searchers will notice the massive change.
If your children grow up with amazing ideas that could be brilliant businesses for them and they attempt to build that business before it gets off the ground google will swipe it from under their feet and set the business up before your children even have the chance to get their name out there, they will probably offer your children a job in that business too just to take the mickey and pay them a hourly rate.
Right, when will this forum be closed I reported ages ago?
They do, but the system was abused for so long, and advertisers don't have the money to waste like they did however many years ago. Those sites that were just lists of other websites? They were really annoying and they were right to get rid of those.
Those directories were very useful if you were searching for resources on a certain topic.
It used to be lovely going on a surfing expedition - it's not like that any more.It is with your curated content locked in topics on pinterest boards. Go to pinterest, click links because the title sounds like it may have information you were seeking only to get to that link after clicking TWICE to realise it was not the information you wanted, it was someone selling products to do with the information you wanted, so you go back to pinterest and look for another title do with information you require, click it twice again (when you find it) and it may have products there again or might be accurate and actually have the information you require.
Is that not surfing? Or is leaving information seekers to play a guessing game with the links they see part of the fun because they have so much time on their hands? or is it playing hide and seek with knowledge?
At least on search engines you type the words in 99.9% of the time you will get what you wanted....I only want information not products, to get that information on pinterest I have to play a guessing game on what links to choose to go to judging by the heading/title.....SURFING how it used to be was not even that bad lol......You're just showing your ignorance - in the last few posts you've referred to "curated content" in a way that clearly shows you have no idea what it means. And you keep banging on about Pinterest for some reason that escapes me - it's just another social network so I don't see the relevance.
It makes it pretty obvious that you're not bothering to read or understand what anyone has posted in reply to you, you just keep on repeating the same argument over and over again.Marisa, you are being played. I like you, move on to something with better karma.
Who's playing who? It passes the time. Can you tell I have no life at the moment? Sad.
I stand corrected.
Just for you, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDQLbRicvicThose who didn't know I knew about http://www.pointeshoesonline.com/your-f … rformance/ no doubt thought I was a dork for posting that link. The YouTube link was new to me. I was looking for the Cyndi Lauper "girls want to have fun"; the dance inclusion was an unexpected bonus. I ended up watching the sequels.
Yes, I noticed Marissa has been on there spamming her skim affiliate links in possibly her own comment box lol. Imagine what it is going to be like when there are 1000's of curators touting for income and commenting on every curated site with useful information plus their affiliate/website links.....comment boxes will become a spam box....be full of links.....wordpress will kick the spam out/jetpack/Askimet....pagecloud is the new one
You may know about it, but when no one else has a source other than spammy social media to know about it all you will be left with is curators knowing about it....buying off of each other/spamming the same affiliate links in each others comment boxes......is it really worth it?
That is so funny your proofing you have to trick people to believe your information suppliers to get them to look at your links/income source.....what more proof do you need
Discount Dance......adding useful comments with spammy links that might not even be available to you if sites like skim don't survive/have enough affiliated sites to keep them going/have enough business advertiser on board
http://www.pointeshoesonline.com/leos-split-sole-2/
And whoevers site that is has ebay adverts on it, marrisa said about curators will thrive on reputation so that people will end up going direct to their sites. Ebay will be one of the big boys possibly, or people know ebay so well they will go direct to their site as they have a good reputation right now, so it is going to be pretty hard to get what will be small traffic clicking that ebay link
Not to mention all googles ANDROID phones may even block them adverts from being seen just to strangle sites/make it harder for them to keep goingGetting friends to spam youtube links, or anyone for that matter to spam links via share buttons on a video platform that now owns your content in effect really is not clever!! You can't control who spams them links (as I have told you), so if google start penalising for spamming of their content that you give them in the future, what's next clever clogs??
Full post about it now if you wanted to leave this thread.
If you're going to rely on any form sharing for traffic.....see you laterI've never relied on any 'form sharing' (whatever that is) for traffic. I've always allowed my content to bring visitors. My own blog figures are increasing daily, with only a slight slow-down over Christmas. Of course, I can't stop other people sharing my work, but that's fine by me... and yes, I know you consider it to be spamming, but there you go. My blog always ranks in the top results on *any* search engine for its keywords. Visitor interaction is growing and the future's so bright, I'm gonna need shades
Lovely darling.
So when you get treated how you treat people now and a massive site out there right now that is already showing capsules in some searches as their own content (curating like you do), curates your content and puts it in the capsules so it can be found without links to your website, will you stay at the top? Then all of a sudden you realise that shares are your only form of traffic, you will up the spam methods, boom google will stop that on their content that you have gave them.
You just keep feeding them love, but don't moan about the marvellous things known as curating come doom day. A post will be featured soon. Let's end this thread please.There you go again - moany, moany, moan. Go and live your life and stop pushing your negative attitudes down everyone's throat. We're bored with it. Either cheer up or sod off.
But will you when they take all that expert knowledge from your site and place in their capsules (curating).
They're doing sites now, can't remember what searches but quite often if you search you will see just a google capsule with a QUICK ANSWER in.
Don't you see each HEADED CAPSULE H1,H2,H3 tag takes their bots straight to the heading keywords, so if your have this for example
Heading = Who invented chicken and chips
Content underneath that heading ='s Chicken and chips was invented in blah blah
Imagine that was useful, and someone searched who first made chicken with chips
This will become their CURATED capsule at the top of search results:
Who invented chicken and chips
Chicken and chips was invented in blah blah
A quick answer. Once they know your headed capsule is a reliable source of information.....it's gonna be theirs only as a quick answer, if people want more information a lovely pretty pictured wikipedia capsule will be next to it linking off to a full page of knowledge about chickhen and chips, your horrible looking search links will need to be scrolled down to.....,Here you go a silly search but it will end up like this with all searches
Google capsule with a QUICK ANSWER, that content is off of a capsule from a web page out there that may have already been strangled. Google curating. r that google capsule quick answer might have come from wikipedia (the public).
More in-depth answer - wikipedia capsule with pretty pictures.
Underneath them capsule horrible looking links that probably link to websites that display adsense (what they prefer wikipedia over advertising revenue?)
Wikipedia is actually the top horrible link as well........
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=what+ … ;ie=UTF-8:Here is another one that might affect you more, if not effect you it is effecting sites that have information regarding this type of dancing they will have to turn to spam/share methods which google will end penalising them for and derank them completely..
Google curated capsule in a quick answer, no wikipedia pretty pictures yet, but just look at that reserved space to the right of the google capsule.....
Look in the google capsule the title is dance-off
now look at the top search result link it is dance-off
so where do you think that google capsule has come from? probably a capsule/H1,H2/H3 tag from the site linked right below it. In fact just read the capsule them read the description under the top search result link...exactly the same...is that dictionary site a spam site, bad seo site etc etc?? not yet but it will be when they want it completely gone/got every quick answer capsule from that site......it's been fine for years but pandas uncle geoff has not come out to play yet saying it has one to many words on a page or something
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=what+ … +dance+off
I have to admit I'm impressed with our ever-reincarnating friend's commitment to staying in character. The high-strung ignorant Englishman is a much better persona than his previous characters.
Read their comments mate they won't answer absolutely anything. Yet are suggesting such sites as good sources.
What is ignorant about seeking information on their suggestions?
Please answer.And one more thing to point out you keep calling me dasangel or something, now you're mentioning other characters he previously was.
I have never been on this website before, so if there has been others saying the same things may be there is something to worry about that not everyone is seeing...yet can see just by looking at things when they search, or drops in revenue occur that don't pick up again, or sites out there becoming less and less popular....it really is all there for anyone to see,....
I promise I have not been on this website prior to this account. That may be why there is a difference in the characters as you mentioned.You have merit. There is much potential here for verbal exercise.
It is not a social network, see what I mean you been on it or have known about if for so long yet still don't know what it is.
Do you talk to people on there?
Do you comment on links?
Do you have regular comment conversations on links?
Do you actually know in real life 10% of your followers at least?
The reason is the repeats have to keep coming because STUMBLEUPON 2 is not going to help your online business ventures, stumbleupon 2 is curating content, so curating content is not going to save your online ventures, do you see why I have to keep saying the same argument.
None of you actually answer any of the EVIDENCE provided with links to what google have said they aim to do, nor have any of you answered where this next site is that you think will magically save small sites, you just nodding with someone who said facebook and curating/pinterest is the way forward.
What is pinterests income source it doesn't display adverts, that is the third time asking but no-one will answer yet you think it is the way forward, I know the answer, they're pinning affiliate links that they earn from and they plan to TRY and get big businesses on there (so laughable to think big businesses will stay on their long term) then charge them to feature their pins, if they do manage it where will all the little site pins go??My point is, you seem to be totally obsessed with Pinterest when it's got nothing to do with the topic of this thread. I don't know why it fascinates you so much. I don't use it myself.
No love, you lot brought pinterest and curating content into this thread in an attempt to go against the point of this thread - that being turning this site into a search site, I joined it because of you lot saying it was the way forward. Within seconds you can see it is a mirror of stumbleupon.
Now you have got me to join it, I am asking you questions about it, to try and make sense of where you think this site is going to end up.
For example you're telling me it is a social site, I did not see no social activity on that site whatsoever.
If you answer the questions it might help.Pinterest is just one of multiple ways you can get traffic to your website or Hub, by creating "Made for Pinterest" images on your site/Hub which you then post on Pinterest.
http://hubpages.com/business/How-to-Gen … -Pinterest
It wouldn't be a big part of the business model I suggested, because as you say, the opportunity for interaction is limited. I think you may be confusing my posts with someone else's.Achh... Marisa, you've gone and restarted the spamming tirade again.
He made some reasonable points but, gawd, he doesn't know when to shut up, does he?
We should all just drop this thread now; it's been round the block many times.If you going to make suggestions against this threads suggestions about the way forward at least have the audacity to backup simple questions.
Like:
What is pinterests income source?
What do they plan it to be?
What makes pinterest any different to the failed stumbleupon site that it replicates?
What you lot don't like is everything that has been asked from you guys about google etc has been answered, bitter pill to swallow, you also don't like that you can't give answers when the reverse happens such as someone asks you questions relating to the suggestions you between you have made.
Pinterest is about CURATING links into topic boards.
You suggested CURATING. That is what pinterest is, a content Curator. Honest.
This is why I am saying CURATING is not the way forward, and as you just said pinterest is not the bigger part of the way forward, but have said curating is, I am confused.....and if pinterest is only a small part of curating I dread to think what state the big parts of curating is in....
Google is pinterest curating content.
That link just says basically borrow someone else's image (not sure where the original content is in that), edit it, then pin it, then hope others on pinterest pin it as well.....great.
But when the first sentence says it is a social site, straight away I think that person has no clue what they're talking about, it is not a social site, not one aspect of it is socialising, no one talks for example.
But because she was fortunate enough to have that picture she borrowed re-spammed, I mean re-pinned by others people will think she does know what she is talking about. Buy chucking links in front of people's faces in the hope they visit it and re-pin it and chuck it in their followers faces, then hope they visit and re-pin it and chuck it in more people's faces to visit and re-pin is really really really not good traffic....and if that is what curating is......curating has a whole has a short life-span.... it is so worrying that because that lady had loads of re-pins through doing the above people think she will know what she is talking about, possibly thousands and thousands are going to follow her methods..then pass the message on in their own articles of how to get loads of re-pins....disaster
I just asked that lady if all them re-pins brought her manny product sales. Not sure if she sells products though as she does not mention anything about the important results so I am not sure if she does or not.
If the lady doesn't have products or even if she does and also has adverts from a platform on her pages, that kind of traffic de-values the amount companies will pay for advertising, which will eventually strangle advertising income for sites, so then they will solely be relying on product sales from that type of traffic, I wonder what the actual sales figures are for product sellers that curate/use pinterest type of sites? Not to mention all that sell the same product will be fighting for customers against big boys.
And what is going to happen when that ladies borrowed pictures that she has edited gets curated/borrowed by numpties like the old SEO weenies and added to their content that could be about something completely different to what the lady originally edited for? Then they pin it to pinterest, it is opening the doors for the next level of SEO weenies that Pinterest will bring a Panda out for and boot you all off because they want to clean their site up....and won't no whose content is really whose as you have all borrowed it.....
Also I joined pinterest the other day and have posted 4 links so far from hubpages, looking at the traffic source it says I have not had one single page view from pinterest. Now what I am going to do is go follow aload of people. If I then start getting views it will simply tell me it is a traffic exchange, you follow me, I will follow you this means you click my links and I will click yours.....doomed
I honestly believe that pinterest and curating is going to be more harmful than what the panda victims were doing wrong, I don't mean in the sense of content comparison, I mean in the sense of how your content is getting traffic.....what are you doing that is any different to how panda victims marketed their websites in order for traffic?I suggested curating ON YOUR OWN SITE. I never said a word about curating anywhere else. Totally different. If you can't comprehend that, that's not my problem.
I don't want a gibberish website though lol. And as previously said Kids in 5 years will not be allowed to join the clicky group of experts that have the best reputation that have a few, yes just few people going direct to their sites...to buy products that are set at treble the price the big boys on google will be selling it for, or similar things for.....so kids will have no choice but to go somewhere else to curate their content....where will they go??
And another thing your not thinking about is, how will people find the curating sites without getting links thrown in their faces on social media and without product selling websites opening themselves up to public comment arguments if customer satisfaction is not met, ie a product breaks in delivery?
SO DANGEROUS....
Just can't see it working mate.....one thing we do definitely know that works though is search engines...
Ultimately the consumer is what funds the system. When Google stops being the best possible portal to originators, they will stop dominating the market. Right now, that is not what is happening. Google still favors good originators. The are just getting better and better at sifting out the SEO weenies.
No point getting all outraged, Money flows from consumers to originators. Everything else is just a conduit. King of the world one year can be history the next if they stop doing their job. And while the trend is to vertical integration, it is a trend with built in limits because Google cannot originate all the content that consumers want and still make a profit.Ultimately the consumer is what funds the system. When Google stops being the best possible portal to originators, they will stop dominating the market. Right now, that is not what is happening. Google still favors good originators. The are just getting better and better at sifting out the SEO weenies.
Where are they going to go????????
When google is the only consumer along with their big friends, do you really think consumers are going to go anywhere else other than to that selection of people???
No point getting all outraged, Money flows from consumers to originators. Everything else is just a conduit. King of the world one year can be history the next if they stop doing their job. And while the trend is to vertical integration, it is a trend with built in limits because Google cannot originate all the content that consumers want and still make a profit.
How can they stop doing what they're doing if they're the only ones they're doing it for??? Because those in a good position will not step up?
If all the top product sellers and information suppliers are the only ones left on google, are you saying everyone in the world is going to STOP wanting products and information just because it is not being sold or supplied by a little site? Of cause they will not they will go to them companies because they're will be no one else to go to......seriously think before you type.... People ain't going to stop living because they can't buy a book off of some little site that sells books...if they want that book or whatever it is they will go to whoever can give it to them, and it won't be no one outside of the elite. It will be consumer funding the elite only as you put it.You all keep saying that something else will come along to take care of the little sites
Where are the signs of whoever is going to come along??
I am not accepting Pinterest as answer sorry, go join stumbleupon and look at the resemblance, it didn't work for them.
Nor, is social media where people want to socialise the long term solution.
So where is it, who is going to protect the next SEO victims, whose content will not be good enough because it's traffic is from spam methods such as pinterest and social share buttons??
So where is your magic site that you all think is going to pop up as things change (the changes are happening right NOW), curating content is not the answer either (long term).
And even if something does come up, if google drop adsense the chances are a lot of little sites will have to shut anyway, so whoever comes up will have to serve their own ad distributing program in order to give the little sites adverts to display/generate an income.........good luck getting advertisers on board if they don't hurry up and get the saving site running NOW to pick all these little sites up out of trash can. The time they set up google will have made the internet ADVERT FREE and ad blockers will be on all THEIR ANDROID PHONES ...wow that will stop anyone trying to pick the little sites up that they no longer needed...even though them sites were fine for years and years....yes ADVERT FREE.......guess you think they will not be able to generate any money if they do that don't you because you won't think......wikipedia donations, google owning loads of sites that people will buy from, the big product players who google might even try buying out or becoming shareholders of....news media sites may pay them....government sites may let them off of paying tax....oh they already do don't they???
Google are the technology behind Android, so why would they allow or even want AD BLOCKING on millions and millions of people's phones that might visit sites displaying adsense? The answer is they want to strangle all the little sites that display such adverts, force them to shut without looking like the ones that closed them down.
Revenge Of The Google Empire: Episode 1. Panda Devourers SEO Weenies (nom) (nom) (nom)
Hahaha
Episode 2: The Hungry Hippo
Who will get wiped out by SEO and become the SEO weenies next?
Less and less sites in existent as each animal eats sites up making more and more room for big sites taking keywords and to appear in search results
haha mad mate in it.
Things to think about:
Google's results does not need any single information based site out there, it has wikipedia that has everything on it.
Wikipedia get found at the top of almost all searches displaying a capsule with pretty pictures above the little sites with horrible looking links listed below their beautiful capsules, yes displayed beautifully above sites linked from horrible looking links that have adsense displayed on them...what the hell almost as if google don't want sites earning or themselves earning from adsense
Google allow AD BLOCKER on their ANDROID phones, what the hell do google not want people that visit websites with adsense on to see their income source
Their actions will end up strangling little sites income sources out of the marketplace, if it don't work then hippo will be released saying, for better results you need to add a man picking his nose in a 3-d image to every single one of your website pages, if you don't you will be hit by SEO penalties and get deranked even further lol. SEO is all bullcrap, all SEO is, is just a way google control website owners by saying do this and your get better rankings....if every site in just say the football category had brilliant SEO how do they then determine the rankings? Yes SEO is important but nowhere near as important as google dictate to every website owner that it is, why are site owners so concerned about keeping google who are not the target audience nor will they ever be a customer happy, the only people site owners need to keep happy are their target audience (which is not google).
Let's get back to the basics.
Make one premise. We will take it from there.Need people in the right position to adapt their site to changes.......suck site owners in before it is too late, that person in the right position is not me else this forum would not even be here
.Depends what era you was born as to what basic is
....you old bug.ger haha Only kidding Deleted
Are all your old local shopkeepers laughing, Or old post masters whose post office have to shut, or shrink massively laughing because big supermarkets or big brand clothing names run them out of business or big courier companies run them out of business.....why do you think it can't happen online?
Some might have even shut then had no choice and had to go work for a supermarket or something how heartbreaking
They have been dictated to by them big companies and told they ain't having a business go join the slave jungle lol....funny isn't it......How strange that you take something completely out of context and then use it to have (yet another) go. You are like a small child.
We live in a tiny village and the local shop has embraced the tech era, uses FaceBook, emails incentives to customers... and has a Post Office. We're all smiling, except for the other local shop which has done none of those things and continues to struggle.
Progress has been taking place forever. New things come, old things go. That's the way of it. Adapt or die, yes?How is it out of context?
Are you telling me that businesses did not suffer from the actions of the bigger players, are you telling me that businesses online are not open to the same treatment from the bigger players?
It is not out off context it is called thinking.
It is there for you to see either take it or leave it.I was responding to paradigmsearch's post, but you have to take it as meaning something completely different.
You've said everything over and over and over and over. Nothing new is coming out of this - for the very basic, very obvious reason that no-one on this thread can (or wants to) put any of your suggestions into action. You're just p*ssing in the wind, boyo.no I haven't have a look at the last response to marrissa.....a search about her beloved dancing example......now will you believe me
You're assuming that site is an example of the curated content I'm talking about. It's not. It's a site which has jogged along getting steady traffic for several years, using the old model of attracting Google. I'm very conscious that it is at the mercy of Google - but since it requires so little maintenance, I'm happy to let it continue to jog while it can. If it stops working I'll close it down.
Seriously carry on!!
If you think everything is about you, you carry on......Er... you were the one making it about Marisa. What is wrong with you? I thought you wanted to end the thread? So end it already. Just stop replying and it will sink into forum obscurity where it belongs.
It's my forum, I am hoping you lot attract someone that can see pass now.
No it isn't... the forum belongs to everyone. You started this *thread* granted, but even so, it still ain't yours.
You'd have a better chance of getting your message across if you wrote in intelligible English. Sometimes it's just gobbledegook.
Go on, have the last word.A site top of the rankings underneath google capsule....compare the titles and the description.....is that site currently bad SEO at the top of the link formatted search, has that site jogged on as you put it marrissa, does google link to their website....who is going to get wiped out for content duplication? google or that little site that is absolutely fine whilst their still grabbing content from it for other searches to put in their capsule?
It is not even a little site it is the oxford dictionary.....you think you have hope?
I'm pretty sure that Google has permission to use excerpts from the Oxford Dictionary.
There is more I will go find them just to put this to bed.....
It is called CURATING content, you lot won't open your eyes, google are allowed to do it too....and once you lot have your expert sites with h1,h2,h3 tags (title tags for snippets/capsules).....your expert and precise capsules will be taken off your site and google will do what marissa does CURATE everyone's expert content in they little QUICK ANSWER google capsule, now to the right is a big white space waiting for wikipedia with pretty pictures to sit near that QUICK ANSWER google capsule...that wikipedia with pretty pictures will link to a wiki page displaying every bit of information about dance off
A searcher looking for a quick answer has that google capsule, a searcher looking for in-depth information has the beautiful pretty pictured wikipedia capsule
Underneath that will be all our horrible looking links.......it will be like that for every search trust me, not just oxford dictionary....I will go find more there is loads, you see them everyday......they can't bring out the next seo monster until they have all your expert capsules with H1.H2.H3. tags as keywords to display the particular capsule in their google capsule....most will go to pretty wikipedia and be begged for a donation.....that wikipedia don't even need because big big companies already donate lots and lots to themYawny yawn.
Mods, you really need to close this down.They will soon it will all be gone not just this forum, 509,000 articles getting 2 pageviews on average a day each....they have no choice google strangled them and probably are displaying some of the content we have provided in a capsule on here, as a top search results for some searches as a quick answer somewhere out there on their search pages,they still need more of them capsules though before finally pulling the plug on this site...
I can't believe I am even reading this, of course they do it is called CURATING but if you wanted to know what that was, you don't need to visit oxford dictionary, who is going to end up getting strangled?
You must've missed the post where he said he wasn't going to let anyone else have the last word.
Yes.
Please search "what is a dance off"
Then read the google title in the capsule and it's content, then read the VERY TOP SEARCH RESULT TITLE AND THE DESCRIPTION UNDERNEATH IT....
You still think that site has jogged on?????
Not yet, but it will when they have all the quick answers in their capsules from that site.....panda's uncle geoff will come out to play for yet more SEO bullcrap to derank that siteMy Google Results
1. Dictionary definition
2 Oxford Dictionary definiton
3. Urban Dictionary alternative definition
4. Wictionary definition
5. Howcast video
6. Wikipedia
7. The Guardian news story about a policeman dancing
8. The Great Big Dance Off website aimed at schools
9. Sky News Obama and the dancing cop
More or less what you'd expect for 'What is a dance off?' What is it that you'd want to see in the results?I just attached a screenshot mate I don't know if it will be clear on here....
What is the top link title when you searched, is it this?
dance-off -Oxford Dictionaries
A competition, or a round in a competition, in which a number of dancers compete against each other until a winner is declared: the dance-off will feature each couple performing Latin, ballroom, and freestyle.
Are you not seeing the google capsule right above that top search result that has this in it?
dance-off
A competition, or a round in a competition, in which a number of dancers compete against each other until a winner is declared: the dance-off will feature each couple performing Latin, ballroom, and freestyle.You didn't read my post? I listed the results.
So what? I would expect to see a definition there. Like I said, I'm sure G has permission to use excerpts - it's not as though it's a complete definition anyway. Someone looking for more info would go to the Oxford Dictionary or wherever.
Use a different search engine might be the best way to show Google that you mean business. Many feet walking away will make difference.
Why, why, why do you keep saying this stuff. We hear what you say. Google wants to rule the internet. It already does as far as some people are concerned. You don't have to use Google. It's a choice. Everything is about choice. You can choose to resist the flow of change or you can adapt. You can ignore what's happening, or you can take steps to change it.
One thing is for certain, you won't change it by posting on one little forum. Like I keep saying - lead the way, 'mate'. Take action. Go fight your fight.Then your googles pissed, there is a screenshot right there.....I can't even believe your still debating this and not accepting that it's happening
Not debating at all - you are doing that all by yourself. I'm certainly not going to respond to your demands to answer your repeatedly boring questions.
You are ranting on to... how many people here? Three possibly. Everyone else has given up and gone to do something more interesting. Even I managed to write and publish an 800 word blogpost while you were spending all this time composing messages (I can't even be bothered to read them right through).
Go take action. Save the internet as we know it. Start the ball rolling. Set up your own site. Contact all the website owners in the world. What are you waiting for?
You were the one who said, "have a look at the last response to marrissa". I certainly don't think it's all about me. You'll note I didn't use examples of my websites anywhere, other people did that.
Read it again....now read the description of that link then read the google capsule....tell me that site has jogged on
Your site might be next though......just hand it over and close it down....brilliantYes I will close it down if the traffic drops below what's financially viable. It has more than paid me back for the investment I made in it, I can't complain. I know this kind of site probably has a limited lifespan and my business plan allows for that.
I used to have a similar flamenco site. It stopped paying enough to be worth maintaining, so I closed it down and moved on. That's what you do in business - make the most of opportunities when they're available but have an exit strategy for when things change (because they always do).Again it is all about you and your sites......not kids in 5-10 years who want to attempt something but will not be able to - not sites that graduates that have just set up after studying hard to full flat on their face....
You won't even be able to start anything else up and move on......without social spam...and no advertisers/affiliate programmesIt's not about sites anymore - it's about the apps. Kids don't send emails, they use apps. They don't upload pictures to websites, they use apps.
Adapt or die.
Off to create an app with all my content.Personally, you only need a good wikipedia page mate with links to your apps or sites it really won't matter, your get found on google then via wikipedia so people get begged......
If you're not gonna digest this at least please get some good content on wikipedia linking to your sites/apps if you haven't already, you may struggle to get a wikipedia page though due to RESTRICTIONS....Bloody hell, don't you get it yet? We understand what you are saying. Some we agree with and some we don't.
However, right now, listen up. I'm on my laptop doing some writing. I research a little, write a little.
Later on, when my hubby is watching some of his sports on TV, I'll be on my tablet. I might check my email. I'll definitely be reading my Kindle app, maybe looking for new books. Perhaps I'll check my Flipboard app for the news. Maybe I'll be scanning RightMove to see if any juicy looking houses have come on the market. Then again, I'll be making notes of any ideas that pop into my head on Evernote, etc, etc.
It will be highly unlikely that I'll be surfing the web.
There's the future, right there. Kids don't want computers, they want phones and tablets. The internet as you know it is on the way out.It is not on it's way out.
Have you seen how fast the new potential world ONLINE currency bitcoin is growing?
The internet is going to get bigger but no one else is going to be part of it, accept people like you browsing and potentially buying things from no one but the big companies via bitcoin, or something similar.
Your right to an extent about the kids, so should write them all off right now as not making nothing or their life?
Stop worrying about us, we are okay Jack sod the rest......lovelyAre you unable to read and comprehend? We can already see that you can't write.
I said: the internet *as you know it* is on its way out.
I don't have bitcoin, but as an independent currency it is amazing. No government connections. No bank interference. Fab. A good example of entrepreneurial skills. Someone who saw the future and went with it.
Don't think I said anything about writing kids off. You seem to make it up as you go along. My kids have been homeschooled. They are free-thinkers. My son has skipped two years of college and will be doing an HND next year. I think I'm quite capable of showing them how to make something of their life. If everyone cared about their kids' education in the way that we do, then no kid would be 'written off'. So stop insulting my intelligence.
How's your boy doing? Hope he's not relying on his dad to teach him English language.
Rant on!SEO don't matter when your site gets valued at the same value as my quickly typed replies.
See how you have to act?
It really does not matter what type of internet it is, apps, website......where are their incomes going to come from when all the big companies are the only ones left and don't need to pay for advertising because they will be the only people to turn to?
You going to make products and try and shout about them on facespam and pinterests and stumbleupon 2,000 that you won't even know exists because you won't be able to find it.....not to mention you will have to buy the materials to make products off of the big company, that will make the materials needed more expensive to buy than just going to buy a built product so you won't even be able to do that unless you think that people on facespam will pay your high prices over the big boys slightly lesser prices
hense why someone needs to catch your websites or bloody apps,And on top of that do you not think google will make the cost of websites/apps something like £10,000 per month in order for you to spam a link and get some sales on them over priced products?
The price of hosting etc will go to strangle sites more and more as their ad revenue get's less and less, or product sales gets less and less...
People that pay a silly amount like £100,000,000 or whatever silly price lol just to have website name will indicate to google that they're a big player so they can join the ALPHABET group (googles new group of businesses) october 15th 2015 they registered. Not google as the site, but the google owners own that group and will dictate to the people in the group who the CEO's will be for each company along with COMPENSATING them companies/bank rolling them or bitcoin rolling them shale we call it.
Who says my next venture will even be online?
If anyone starts up a website as a business, without researching the current market, then they have only themselves to blame.
You say Google has dumped your site. There are plenty of small sites it hasn't dumped - in fact the most recent updates have improved the situation for some small players. If yours was dumped maybe you should stop and look at what the reasons might be, instead of trying to change the system.
As Raggededge says, even if you're wrong about Google, the whole market will be different in 5 years anyway.Hope it is original if it is not........the big boys already have the ability to crush anyone out there in the real world as they have many little shops, post offices, pubs, clubs,
keeping sites and not keeping sites is because they don't yet have the content from the sites that have kept....listen bloody hell......panda's uncle geoff will be out once they do.....
it is called playing SEO off to get what they want against income revenue for sites so sites think google are doing good by them.....until geoff comes out to play/aka they have your capsules
Sorry I am just fed up with giving people evidence but they can't see how everyone will be affected in the long run. I don't mean to sound offencive.
Soooo negative. Constantly droning on and on about the worst scenarios. Why don't you cheer up and do something useful? You've wasted hours on this thread.... hours of your life that you could have been using for something productive. You could, even now, be taking steps to put your ideas into action by contacting HP owners and larger website owners the world over. You could be writing all this on your own website, hell you could be leafletting your own local businesses.
Stop moaning, stop looking for the bad stuff and focus on what is going right. If you don't like what you see, then take steps to change it.Tried to make steps but your too ignorant to listen.
It is people that is required not websites that if you look have been setup by people who are potentially connected to google in order to CONTENT FARM then curate all the public knowledge into capsules.
The good stuff is temporary that is why I am not concentrating on it, people like you are concentrating so hard on the good stuff you don't realise your being robbed blind.
As for the houses you look on rightmove for if you meant you look to buy/mortgage you really should listen, another post youtube becoming pay-per-view has been put up if you want to earn me some pointless page view revenue that you think this forum gets me. Say bye to them houses, I would read if that is what you do for your own benefit.
Is that your sponsored channel is it?
Google own that content.......because someone give it to them in exchange for a temporary income ..No, it isn't; recently discovered as a matter of fact.
Shall we get back to basics?you can do what you like.......just don't be hypocritical when the time comes and call them greedy b-words etc...it's people who will not open their eyes that let them become that so they only have themselves to blame when they get treated like slaves.......yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir.....then turn round and be hypocritical and moan about things......pfffft no one has anything of value from both sides of this thread so good night
And you're suggesting ??
Please don't suggest curating content because we can see how clicky that is going to be already once the ones with a reputation have formed a group so they all link to each other and own that silly little marketing method. No one else will be able to get in the group if they offer similar to someone already in it.
Anything useful ??Still misunderstanding curated content. It's not people linking to each other in a traffic exchange game - if you try to do it that way, it's a short term prospect.
Well, I see this thread is moving right along... HP really should pay the OP something, they are racking up ad revenue right and left.
Hello mate.
No, this has been put to bed now from my point of view unless anyone comes along with suggestions rather than being verbal. If you want to look at the screenshot scroll up to the original post with it in.
SEO is bad if we have a page just full of links, as anyone ever seen every single google search results page....wtf they have made billions and billions from bad SEO then
as for ad revenue yes I have had a few views on my articles because of this thread, but it is in-house traffic so it is not worth anything.....it is not quality traffic - only searching is quality traffic, meaning they have to seek your pages meaning that your pages are being looked for/seeked, anything that has not been searched is not being seeked it is being put in front of people - for example feeds/spam boards where links can not be avoided to be seen by people when people share stuff- , the same goes for hubpages ad revenue through views on this forum.....it's not much at all.....the more poor traffic a site gets the less per 1,000 views it gets, hence drops in revenue constantly
youtube = future pay per view sky/cable TV etcI will bet you that so far this year $0.20 has not been made, in fact not even 3/4's of that has been made. What is that in pennies lol.
In-house traffic counts for nothing......you lot can view my pages all day long and it would not reach a dollar, it will go down in value (which will lead to advertisers dropping off as their not getting quality traffic). It is real people we need to look at things ie searchers/seekers in order to boost the value of the advertising
Real seeker/searchers come from search engines, who as you probably know are giving this site and many many other sites as a whole, less and less results on their engines by supplying capsules from them sites their giving less traffic too = killing them off
If anyone believes that members looking at members pages is of any real value, then it opens the door to all of us just to go around page flipping/going to pages for 30 seconds without reading anything (remember them sites). Companies will not pay for that so visit my pages as much as you like and devalue this web site even more if you like. It needs real outside non members to survive and bring any real value to page views revenue.
In affect traffic surfing is happening on this site by members reading members stuff, then people wonder why the revenue per 1,000 views drops week in week out.
As forums seem to be the busiest part of this site, it would be a good idea for hubpages to remove the ads from forums, even doing that will boost the revenue, because forum discussions are from us the people writing to earn from these advertisers, so they know we don't really want to see their adverts therefor will pay less then eventually nothing when forums are the only place where their ads are being seen (as we are not their target audience) because search engines have took our stuff and put it in capsules and deranked us.
As a member of the Hubpages community I feel the site is wonderful. That being said, to continue at this status or level a constant change is necessary. The web is evolving much faster than it was only several years ago. Evolution is the equivalent of all change, including freelance writing.
Keeping up with the Jones' is needed in some instances, especially when it comes to livelihood or earned income for published articles. It makes good business sense.
Members select which sites to display personal content on and there are certainly other forums which see the light when it comes to taking into account the needs and wants of community writers earning potential. The number one need is more income. The suggestions and ideas put forth are certainly doable to see this happen.
Modification, even at a slower pace keeps the site ahead of lots of the competition. Members belong to a select number of sites when putting good content out there. By attempting to earn more money and linking up with more sites the published work turns into something less than great. Update how much earning potential a writer is capable of with the Hub or take a chance of seeing those same brilliant minds going somewhere else or putting out something less than desirable to make the extra buck. It is worth the possibility of paying more to get better content..
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Freelance writers are interested in making money for a living. The evolution of earning on the web means taking this next step. When writers make more so does the Hub.
Part of this issue is related to the clean up Google did with weeding out the irrelevant and mediocre crap all over the web. Now the remaining writers are of a higher caliber and certainly deserve better pay.Part of this issue is the clean up of google you are 100% correct mate. They're cleaning up alright.
Writing sites are being used as CONTENT FARMING by curators, google curate content. The capsules are being taken from expertly written pages by experts and being curated by google. It does not matter where the experts add their content, writing sites, their own sites, social sites, wherever, if it is getting curated and being shown above search results of the experts their traffic is going to disappear, this is going to lose them income, not only that businesses will drop off from the sources of advertising such writers use.
There are websites that curate content then class themselves as experts, these websites are weeding out the best content, then google is coming along and taking it off of their websites sites and placing the content in lovely capsules above horrible looking links that the experts sites or pages link off to.....
The cleanup of bad SEO is going to continue, the rules of what SEO is as set by google will evolve not the internet, their rules of SEO will change, this is what makes the internet change, but each time they change it, it will be changed to lose sites whose content they have curated.
Yes, forums etc do change to supply platforms for what writers etc want, but the changes we being forced to make through SEO rules is playing straight into googles hands, the SEO dictators. SEO is not important, google dicate so badly that it is, then contradict themselves by having pages and pages of nothing but linked websites on, that is the worse SEO ever but it has made them billion and trillions.
People don't wan't to listen or doing anything because it is not affecting them at the moment, but you wait until the working class are out on their backsides, and the middle class have all lost their incomes/they have been replaced at work by someone else and then they have to drop down to the working class level, you watch cocky bitches squill, if they want to prevent that happening something needs to happen now.
Youtube will become our new tv source on pay-per-view, millions of jobs are going through the changes that will be made in all MERGING industries, BANKS will take back houses etc.....then the middle class who think they're so great can step down into the real slave jungle.....
Why would I be banned, ain't don't no more than anyone else.
Voicing opinions .
What has the world come to.Beings you have a blogger site, how do you add meta descriptions to each blog?
There is no input field.
Just setting one for no other reason other than to experiment something in a completely packed niche.You look under the search engines you like so much and type in "how to add a meta description to your post on blogger" and one of those spammy, non-wikipedia sites will provide you with the answer.
I am asking the experts on here as they are experts apparently that nick content so there is no need to go to search engines. Bound to be a blogger expert on here.
The same curators/thieves/content farmers that are going to end up spamming more spam boards and social media sites that is with their stupid videos of people doing stupid things....
Content farming that will be the next thing google kick sites off of the internet for haha....karma gotta love it
Just getting used to not having information available like this/not using search engines thanks to curators who are feeding google.Are you saying that you do not want to bother looking on the search engines, or are above that waste of time, etc?
If that is so, do this:
On the right side of your blog post composition page is a symbol for a magnifying glass. Next to that symbol is the words "search description". If you click on that word, a box will open up. You can add your meta description there.
A meta description is what appears underneath your post title so that searchers can find your post in the SERP results.
If you do not like that answer you are welcome to look for a "blogger expert" and I will cease trying to help.It is no longer there. All that is there is labels,schedule,permalinks,location & options (of which it is not under).
It used to be there last time I used blogger, so them spammy sites are right, however google removing it has made them sites look incorrect/spammy now, give them a nudge they may update their pages.
Dictating google make changes to make sites look spammy...tut...tut
Seems like google don't want things going in the search results no more, must have nearly curated all of the experts content that that stole from spammy sites that means....lol.
I seen labels, they ain't much use are they?
I meant the meta description to tell google bots what each individual post is about.
Seems strange blogger belongs to google yet there is no post description.
Then again their bots use the H1,H2,H3 etc tags now as keywords, (and probably so they can swipe any useful capsules straight off of sites and display it as their own content on search result pages) Curators.....keep feeding google lol.
Thanks anyway.
So, pick your mind, let's go with basic thought, present one statement, and only one, and only what you think is our future. Maybe we can key off of it. Or not.
Going back to when neighbours actually spoke to each other, or going back to the time when postman delivered letters, nowadays they're more like leaflet distributors that post a letter known again.
The internet was an amazing invention at first sight, but they never gave it to us until decades after they started putting things in space, they had it then when we all thought it was a new thing it was infact decades old. Now they're just playing with us lol.
But going forward, it would be good to get rid of the internet/apps and let people be people again rather than computer junkies, and have a real laugh rather than a commented LOL.... lol.
Nothing is natural no more, for example people purposely doing things/acting just to upload a video or picture to facebook for a few likes (that is so boring now but that is all social sites are along with spammy links that have been shared). Then people pretending to LOL in a comment whilst they have actually got a straight face and not even thinking it is the slightest bit funny.
No not at all if you mean depressed by that. Why is society programed to think people are depressed or mentally ill just because a person says it how they see it, they really have got people so well trained to think like that towards people that say things that they don't want getting out there, so they actually got society to automatically label people with illnesses.
Well I am not the one being lead down a blind alley.
You can go again now you're going down the same route as the others with remarks/attempting name calling, and thinking how you have been trained too.Have you considered that the common factor here, well, is not all of us?
Hahaha see it makes sense don't it lol.
Fair enough they got rid of spammy sites but is everything else next? As google are curating content (just like the so called experts do) so they won't need experts lol. That's all I been trying to say. But they experts think they will be okay but they won't it will effect everything IF it happens, see the youtube pay-per-view post it explains a potential collapse offline strangely.
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