One again, I have fallen victim to the whims of Google. My top earning article is responsible for half of my total views over my HP career. It was the first to be HubPro edited. It was the first to be moved to a niche site. It's been getting very dependable traffic since June. Last Tuesday, the traffic dropped to 1/4 of what it's been, and there is no sign of recovery.
I wouldn't be so quick to blame Google. This new design the team recently came out with is loaded with Spam, and Google sees that. They are doing exactly the opposite by putting that garbage on our hubs as they told us not to do...and worse yet, they are repeating the same ad numerous times on each article.
I complained about it and was told this would "increase views"...yet immediately following the announcement my stats were loaded with down facing blue arrows.
I don't know what the team can be thinking, but this is NOT good. Worse yet, the ads they are placing have no relationship to the articles. For example, my article on what to say in a sympathy card has an ad with photos of an older lady that talks about reducing wrinkles...and these ads sit big as all get out right between my text capsules.
I am, to say the least, discouraged, but I don't blame Google if they nail us...and if they do, it could spell the end of HP. This was their second chance and they were doing great...now they chance ruining all of it. Unbelievable!
Guess what? Right after I wrote this I checked a few of my articles in both standard and edit modes and all of those ads had disappeared. Christy did say something about them being on mobile, but mine appeared on desktop. Maybe it was a glitch? I sure hope so! However, I don't think they should be ANYWHERE!
I didn't notice anything bad about my page when I look at it. If you are right, then this will affect all of us. If only some of us are having a problem, maybe Google has change something about their algorithm.
I'm kind of bummed, not just because of the reduced revenue, but also because I think that is a really useful page that has helped a lot of people. I hope those who need it can still find their way to it.
Check out the discussion on the blog forum about the new design changes...specifically the comments by Christy and mine about ad placement. I don't see the ads right now but I do see the word "advertisement" where they were located. Don't know where they went but am hoping the team changed its mind even though Christy seemed pretty firm about having no plans to do so.
My traffic has dropped quite a bit. Was thinking it was just some slow days but not sure. Definitely lower numbers than what it was though.
My traffic is never good but I did take a tumble in March. Today the traffic seems up to normal levels for me. Do you know if Google made any changes to its search protocols?
Mine dropped over 75%! I have two articles that are pro and are over at Healdove. One article gets over 1000 hits today and it was the only one that was really making me any money from the program… They took out my Amazon capsules on it 3-4 months ago when it got changed over to Healdove- saw a huge increase in earnings and now I'm lucky to make $.30 a day … I don't have any spammy links or anything and it's very irritating
I've managed to make a quarter a day for the last six days… I'm ready to pull all my hubs. They may not be a fantastic articles, but I always did my best and I spent a lot of time trying to be as accurate as I can; because most of my hubs are from life experiences, unfortunately. I gave what I had and now I feel like that was all done for nothing. I dropped 90% in earnings
That's fine if you have a better idea. Sometimes the traffic comes back.
I would advise sitting tight for a little while.
If you pull your Hubs, where will you move them to? You are a blogger, you know that if you run a blog, you MUST stick to one topic, otherwise Google will ignore you. So you can't just take all your Hubs and move them to a single blog. These days you also need a large amount of material for a blog, so you can't create a heap of microblogs any more, as you could a few years ago.
You could consider an alternative article site, but there are so few of them left. Wizzley and DailyTwoCents spring to mind as the best of the few, but in my experience, they pay far less than HubPages. So I'm not sure you'd end up any better off.
Also, remember this is not HubPages doing something nasty to you. It's Google, and if they're penalising HubPages somehow then chances are, the same thing is affecting all the other article sites.
It just gets discouraging-- hope things will pick up again. Seemed everyone's earnings and views DROPPED like hot cakes when they revamped the site
I know exactly how you feel because this happened to me in the summer of 2014, and it happened overnight! I spent quite some time eliminating articles so that I could create a niche and then rewriting every single article, updating photos, etc. Then, slowly, my views came back. A few months ago I hit a million views!
It was a lot of work, but it paid off. I never did exactly find out what happened because I had no warnings from Google and it was not something that happened to other hubbers.
My advice, stop writing, start going back and updating and create a niche if you can.
The thing is, TT2, that you will never know what might have happened if you'd done nothing at all.
Personally, I suspect that creating a niche didn't make one bit of difference - you could have left all your non-niche Hubs published and it wouldn't have affected anything at all. Obviously, improving and updating your Hubs helped.
Marisa: Of course, but one thing I do know is that my articles are much better than they were before and I learned a great deal while suffering through my dilemma. I can't help but feel that if I had left things alone, that would have been the end for me. Richard Bivens did that and he lost his entire site! It wasn't worth taking the chance once I saw what happened to him. He came back, started a new site and is now doing great.
I'm guessing you got the wrong idea from what Marisa said.
She said that the non-niche hubs were probably not the reason for the drop and the increase in views that you received were most likely the result of you going back and editing each and every one of them.
Had you not deleted the non-niche hubs (if they are unpublished) maybe you could apply the same principles and get them onto the niche sites. As you know the niche relevancy of each author doesn't matter anymore. Unless they are getting views from people going through their profile, which I assume is happening in your case.
I did say that improving your Hubs was worth doing. What I said - as Lobobrandon confirms - is that I thought you were absolutely crazy to delete your non-niche Hubs. They weren't doing you one bit of harm.
If you'd been writing on your own blog, it would have been a different story - on your own site, you must specialise.
Congrats, you are lucky to have your top hubs transfered to niche site,.
None of my hubs were moved elsewhere and I am sad that my traffic had been stagnant ever since WOmens Day
There is really no luck involved with having Hubs moved to the niche sites. In the first wave, HubPages took all the highest-traffic Hubs for the niche sites. Now they are going through and looking for more. We don't know what their criteria is but I'm sure there are some clear guidelines. You can also submit Hubs for consideration yourself, one every 14 days.
If your Hubs are not getting considered, then it's not luck - there is something wrong. It's time to take a hard look at each of them and make some improvements. For instance, look at the Stellar Hub guidelines (in the top right hand corner when you edit) and make sure you've ticked as many boxes as you can. It's rarely possible to tick all of them (for instance, a poll or map isn't suitable for every Hub) but do as much as makes sense.
Another important thing is to write your author bios, relevant to each of your topics, so they display on your Hubs.
I would also recommend running your Hubs through Grammarly, because I notice quite a lot of grammatical mistakes.
and don't forget that proper spelling, sentence structure and formatting are also important. There is much more to producing a good hub than just expressing yourself than just putting words on paper, even when those words express meaningful thoughts.
My earnings have fallen over 50% since early this month (March 2017). I thought it was just me but it looks like others are affected too. I guess I'll sit tight and whether the storm.
My top ones have all dropped too. My earnings are the same as they were back years ago. Totally driving me nuts!
Sorry to hear that Nell Rose. It's only in the past week, so I'm still hoping it will recover. Many of my other hubs are still doing about the same. No matter what happens, I plan to keep adding new hubs. Google is a fickle beast, you just can't count on anything.
Mine have all fallen through the floor since around Christmas time. Last year everything seemed to be getting better and better. Looking forward to a speedy recovery!
There seems to have been a major Google algo change this week, possibly called Fred. It's hitting me as of the last two days.
TT2 I know about the discussion you had and as Christy pointed out the ads are personalised. You are seeing those ads as that is what you are probably interested in. You were either Searching using similar terms or visiting related shopping websites and general websites.
About the ads coming in between the hubs, I did not see that any time no matter how many times I reloaded the page. It was probably some glitch.
That can't be the case because I have never searched for "wrinkle creams". It's got to be something else...although as of last night, the ads seem to have disappeared and been replaced with the word "advertisement", which indicates a "space holder"...very strange. I hope you're right about this being a glitch.
What sites are involved?
I have one page on Healdove that took a big fall in the middle of the week. It lost 200 views a day.
The page had not been copied and I put it down to a comment which included a business email address.
I removed the comment and asked the poster to repost without the address, which he kindly did. No recovery yet.
I am seeing a small drop on other sites but nothing special.
Stable rankings from what I see:
My Caloriebee article is -100 views from usual some days some days it is +50 or so of the average. The rankings are stable and I guess the weekend + season has something to do with it. I do not recall this fluctuation over the past years. I would not put it down to a problem of the site though as another one of my articles on caloriebee has been climbing up on the first page steadily for its main keyword (currently at #4).
The article I have that's been affected is also on HealDove.
My other account has two Healdove articles and the pagviews for that account have been cut in half. Earnings too.
I'm not seeing a problem on dengarden or owlcation. I only have one page on healdove, so it is hardly data.
Sometimes these things are just down to a competitor making headway in the rankings. And it can be temporary.
Doesn't look like a niche-wide thing as a result of the minor update recently. But staff have a better view.
We are just here to complain, lol.
Glad you posted this, Sherry. I have experienced the same. I initially thought it was a copyright issue but had a feeling it was something else because it happened so suddenly. Will Aspe, mine is on Healdove, too. I posted in the forum last Thursday regarding making a report to Google about what I thought was a copy theft I hadn't been able to remove from Blogger for months. As Fiction Teller has pointed out, I do think the culprit might be "Fred."
I have not really seen much difference in the articles I have published. Of course I am relatively new so most of my articles don't really get a lot of traffic. Only one gets a lot of Google traffic and that is on pethelpful. That has not changed much.
I think the new design had an impact (and this is always expected when a change is made). I lost some views too, but they seem to be crawling back.
I'm noticing a drop in my hub views too...I moved up to top spots on a few of my hubs and not getting any more traffic.
So sorry to hear that Sherry. My top earning took a big tumble too and earnings are less than half of what they were. sigh...hope this gets figured out.
If Healdove has taken a massive hit it could easily have a knock-on effect across the niches, given all of the interconnectedness.
HP should look at the pages they have added to Healdove over the last month to see if there is anything they can walk back.
This is assuming there has been a general hit, of course.
So fed up about the drop in views and revenue. Been here nearly 7 years and started to earn a decent amount, not a lot but steady. now I am getting such a low amount that I can't be bothered to even look at the moment. Its like pouring water into a bucket that has a hole in the bottom!
I felt like I was doing really well until this happened.
Don't feel bad, you're not alone! I'm really really disappointed
This is the latest news on what's happening, posted today on Search Enhine Roundtable.
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-fre … 23538.html
Yeah, that really chaps my hide. I don't know what they consider high ad, but I certainly don't consider my article low quality.
Thank you, Glenn, for confirming Fiction Teller's theory. This explains what has happened right down to the date. I noticed the sudden plummet and posted my concern the next day. I asked Christy in another forum today to look at what was happening with HealDove. She said it was not the design of the niche site. At least now we have answers, even if Google won't confirm. Thanks again for posting.
It doesn't only seem to be HealDove. My overall traffic was cut in half in the past two days. But I don't see that it's related to any specific niche site.
If Healdove has been hit hard and the other sites only lightly bruised there is something more than ads involved.
This kind of confirms the comments I made to Christy on another forum about the fact that HP had placed totally irrelevant ads between my hub capsules, many of which were repeats of one another, making them look like spam...which they were!
It really bothered me that after clearly being told again and again NOT to spam, the team turned around and did exactly that...even on niche site articles.
The very next day I noticed that the ads had disappeared...haven't looked today yet, but though that was very strange.
They have a good thing going with the niche sites, and I personally feel they should stop fiddling with them. We've all worked hard to get rid of the dross, but dumping a bunch of it throughout the site all at once could undermine all of everybody's efforts.
Healdove was hit by the latest update. The other sites are down a little. We are making a few tweaks and will evaluate what we can do for healdove. The good news is our team is pretty well equipped at working through google fluctuations.
Thanks for confirming, Paul. I hope the problem is addressed and fixed. I hate having to lose all of the momentum I've built over the years with my best performer.
I am starting to get the feeling that Fred was applied top YMYL pages first, and that later it may be applied across all pages. YMYL pages are already held to different, higher standards than other pages. One thing pages affected by this Google Algorithm change seem to have in common is that almost all of them could be classified as YMYL pages. If your page is a YMYL page (Your Money Your Life) then both hubpages and the writer must address the issues from every angle.
Google quality guidelines make it very clear that the rating given considers the responsibility of the website owner, and of the person responsible for writing the content. Don't focus on making money.
You become an expert when the end user sees you as and expert. Take off your rose colored glasses and become your user. If you were the user, did you feel like the writer actually cared about you? Does the article present information that is unique and increases your worldview? Was the intent pure? On YMYL pages the answer must be yes to these questions.
It is we the writers who must hold ourselves to high standards to maintain the integrity of the entire organization. Fred may not just be about adds, or links, but as an experiment to teach the algorithm and rank brain to determine overall quality by integrating metrics that would automatically identify pages and sites that would be ranked poorly when manually rated.
Many people are reporting that this update is still rolling out, they are seeing drops suddenly. It's also likely that healdove was hit and the others are just waiting in line. If I were the team I would not change anything on the site just yet.
Because if one was hit all of them should have been hit if it were a site design (Ad placement) issue. I would probably look at the backlink profile and see if there's a difference. From my comparison of caloriebee and healdove I see that healdove has links with the anchor phrase: disease, illness & conditions from 21 domains which is probably okay but this is also 3% of all the referring domains. If these are sitewide links it could be the answer to the problem, because http://europeforvisitors .com also had a big hit and they don't really have buggy ads, instead got plenty of sidewide links from other domains which were not relevant to their website.
Like all of us have suggested, HP is not treating the niche sites as niche sites, but as one big magazine. They should make them all stand alone sites. Linking to Hubpages.com to Write For Us should be fine, but the rest is just irrelevant links. We have all seen how well "related" the related hubs on other niche sites tend to be.
I reckon I would take the update info at face value as the first step. They are saying, ad heavy and thin content.
With only one site affected, ad heavy looks like a minor villain, at present (though things might deteriorate, as you pointed out).
That leaves us with thin content.
What signs are Google employing to identify thin content? HP has got the spelling and grammar stuff under control, and the spammy comments. What does that leave?
For me, thin content is most easily identified by poor user metrics and pointers to unoriginality.
I would think about getting rid of newer, unproven, content that has failed to deliver views in a few months, older content with poor dwell times, any content with poor scores on copyscape-type tests, content with a plethora of over-used and cliched images and anything in over-exploited, spammy subjects areas.
Not all at once and not without a good deal of thought, of course.
Tomorrow I will go through my pages and remove HP ads from pages with Amazon ads, just to be on the safe side.
Should say that I am rather drunk presently, and not to be relied upon, lol.
The thing is that the domains are being hit and not individual pages. You are just losing potential income if you do that.
And thin content + ads is one of the factors. If you studied the sites posted on the link Glenn posted as well as on other forums you will see that it's not the only factor. Backlinks were also a part of it, or if not directly a part of the update, the influence was magnified through it.
Looking at losers helps, but looking at winners from these updates is equally important. (especially the larger websites gaining a lot).
That's what Google does when it's taking targeted action. It's always been at domain level in the past.
The smart thing HubPages has done in separating out topics into category sites if that if one goes down it doesn't necessarily take the rest with it - UNLESS there are lots of interlinkages between sites.
I was having a moan recently about having links to hubs on totally unrelated topics on some of my hubs. Consider that moan repeated.
The issue here is about quality of content and the expertise of the authors.
The content needs to be different to that seen elsewhere and the expertise needs to be evident.
Agree with everything you say apart from one point.
Point me to stats that prove that expertise needs to be evident. I do not think Google can determine who has a degree in a certain field. They just compare the many pages in their index. Expert websites tend to do better than others because:
- They are niche based
- Detailed articles
- People link back to them (because people can judge who knows what they are talking about)
- Other factors
I said "expertise" not a degree. Not everybody with a degree is an expert - far from it! However those that write extensively and knowledgeably with genuine new content on a topic and create websites which others link to do tend to get regarded as experts i.e. genuinely useful. Plus they know which people are associated with which websites.
Don't forget Google has a complete picture of our activity on the net and knows rather more about the sites we create - and how well they are received - plus those we visit then many of us would think is healthy!
Glad and then of course a bit discouraged to know it's not just me. I'm sure updates and partly to blame, but noticed a significant drop in traffic this time last year as well with a spike at the beginning of summer. Could season have anything to do with it?
That sounds unusual. Has it happened before? If not then it's very like to be one-off factors which generated blips.
I have a seasonal niche. My views spike in summer and drop in winter. I know why my niche is seasonal. You have a lot of articles about pregnancy and babies. I wouldn't have thought that was seasonal.
I just took a look at this month's advert income (ie 7 normal days and then everything post 8th March and FRED)
Now on the basis advert income has little ups and downs across the week due to traffic fluctuations but remains more or less static (within a 'normal' defined range), I'm noticing a major downturn in advert income after 8th March and the advent of FRED.
Mine nearly halved. It's wobbling around but c.60% of what it was previously is probably about right.
How about other people?
(PS I didn't notice any big shifts in traffic - just advert income. However I guess the performance of the latter relates to the site as a whole?)
If we are talking about the HP Ad program CPM I do not see the same trend.
Mine were high on the 1st - 3rd, dropped a bit and stayed put until the 11th and then increased again to 1st-3rd March levels.
My earnings are off 30% over two weeks ago, which is 50% of what I was earning in December. Hopefully we will see a boost in spring. That is when people buy puppies, and need new names for their little darlings lol.
I have a few articles on Healdove. Visits to my articles are down almost two thirds and have been for a while. What IS going on?
See my prior post in this forum:
Google hasn't said anything about an update that I can find, and may never say anything. So, presently there is only speculation. It is usually either content quality or bad links. Pick a side if you like a fight, lol.
I hoped we were past looking anxiously at our traffic every morning.
I'm apt to think this is a false alarm. My traffic is going back to normal and I never found any loss in the SERPs.
I don't think that this a false alarm for Healdove. But leaving aside Lobobrandon's doom-laden scenario (a fear that the other sites will crash as soon as the algo reaches them, lol) we seem to have suffered only minor damage elsewhere.
Even the main domain seems only moderately affected, but maybe that reached SEO bottom long ago.
OMG Will. I did not prophesize a doom-laden scenario
What I was trying to say is that whatever this update is, it has passed through a major part of the ENGLISH search if not the entire search index. And we are only seeing drops in healdove, some are even saying their rankings have not changed just traffic (Probably long tail terms took a hit). So it is highly unlikely that Healdove was hit by any "Site-related" issues.
I'm sure type of articles (quality) are similar throughout the niche sites. The only issue if there is one could be offsite stuff. And as I pointed out, when I quickly compared healdove and caloriebee, I noticed a possibility of many site wide anchors pointing to healdove which COULD be the issue. Obviously someone with all the data needs to jump in and do an actual comparison and see what could be fixed, if anything at all.
I seriously doubt quality is uniformly high across the sites. There are plenty of people with expertise in gardening willing to write on HP but very few qualified medical doctors.
Healdove looks vulnerable if authority and expertise are somehow being rated. User metrics alone will find out weak content.
That's true. By quality, I meant the use of language and sentence structure. User metrics does have an increasing role to play in rankings. I forgot the name of the update which focused on user metrics.
My best heal dove article has over 500k lifetime views. It did well even when it was back on hubpages. It really stings to see the new numbers.
Long tail terms, I hadn't thought of that; or I kind of thought of it, in the back of my mind; at any rate, that is a good explanation because I hadn't seen a change in the SERPs but did have a traffic loss; but now it's kind of back to normal. Which makes me think this is the usual search engine behavior that occurs when Google does an update; often there is a brief "re-ordering" in the SERPs, then things go back to normal or, even, get better.
Yup. Things are getting back to normal on your articles on healdove?
Mine aren't. They dropped, then they stayed there.
To some extent. When I just had another look, it's like a partial recovery, not exactly back to normal.
I've seen drops in some articles views and definitely the CPMs, hopefully these kinks with the new update will eventually get worked out. For now it's best to just deal with this storm as best as we possibly can.
My traffic is up. My earnings are lower than when my traffic was 30% lower. I feel my earnings decrease for every 20% increase of my views.
I'm just glad hubpages is still alive. I've written content on Helium and Yahoo network and they don't exist anymore. Squidoo had to merge with hubpages and are gone, too. I'll keep contributing to hubpages, but look for other sites to write, too, because you never know. I hope hubpages are secure and doesn't fold.
My concern would be about the whole industry folding. If Amazon ends up with enough buyers going directly to Amazon for the reviews and purchases; skipping Google, that would end the majority of our sales income.
Google should take heed and perhaps reduce the number of Amazon results on the first page. Right now Amazon will typically have the first 2-3 positions on search for products. Eventually they will be putting themselves out of much business themselves.
If Amazon have the first two results, you should probaly abandon any page plans that you have. There are lots of fish in the sea.
I beat amazon all the time. Even my hubs on HP did that (in the past) still waiting for my new ones here to age a bit.
Also, I've noticed when I am below Amazon the CTR on the page seems to be a lot higher, because people are looking for reviews other than what they find on Amazon, that's the whole reason they are on Google in the first place, most people already know about Amazon and are searching for more information in addition to what they find on Amazon.
The whole industry has ALREADY folded in terms of what was then and what is now.
To add value and get rated by Google and appear high on page 1 of Google you need to do something different - and the answer to that lies partly in content, partly in platform and partly in marketing - and mostly in effort to add value that makes YOU as a brand of knowledge somebody worth listening to.
In other words, you can't write what you think is a good quality article (in 'old school' terms), stick it on HubPages and expect it to do well.
People who were on Squidoo (like me) all swore after that experience that never ever again would they have all their eggs in one basket - and I think most of us have all created other sites or stopped article marketing altogether.
While HubPages may be a sound platform for the time being, it's a sensible idea to give some thought to what you would do if it follows the rest of the sector.
Why should Google take heed? The primary source of Google's revenue is Adwords (i.e. 90%) - and that works off text no matter who generates the search results and no matter where it is found (eg gmail, Google Maps, YouTube etc).
The other bits of Google add value and build the brand which is why people keep coming back to Google. (Google's competition is Facebook, not Amazon, simply because of the addictive nature of Facebook and how long people spend on it - hence why it becomes attractive to advertisers)
What makes people keep coming back to Google is a page 1 for search queries that
* adds value by returning sound unique results which are actually useful;
* do NOT swamp people with advertising.
I think you miss my point.
People are bypassing Google in ever increasing numbers. If you want a product, 60% of people will not search; they will go directly to Amazon for reviews and best deals. (This trend, if I recall correctly, was 55% in 2015 and 60% in 2016. That is very rapid growth.) If this trend continues, there will be much less for Google to deliver up. They make their money from advertising, yes. But if everyone simply uses Amazon, why bother advertising through Google Adsense. Just sponsor your products on Amazon.
For MaM, your are delivering information on a topic with little commercial competition, so you would be less affected by this trend. People wishing to learn how to paint landscapes on their next vacation, and who never considered what kind of chair they should bring along with them, may be likely to take your suggestion, and click that affiliate link.
However, if a parent wants to get their kid an archery set; 60% will go directly to Amazon to read reviews and the comparison charts they offer, and make their decision without the help of an expert's review.
Google has a monopoly on search engines, while Amazon is about to have a monopoly on retail product sales. Local business are folding, because they can't compete. Eventually Amazon and Google will be at odds with each other. The bigger Amazon gets, the better their costs, the better their pricing. No one can compete with Amazon, believe me, I have had them move into markets I was selling in, and they kill your sales. Once they have 85% of buyers going to them directly, only the very most esoteric products will have an opportunity to be searched for on a search engine.
Once all roads lead to Amazon, why would they continue to pay for affiliate conversions? If all roads lead to Amazon, who will be able to pay for advertising to try to lure customers to their site instead of Amazon, especially when their prices are higher than those on Amazon. Right now Amazon still takes the long view, pay for everyone to send them business and make them the behemoth, when all competition is crushed, no more affiliate fees; simultaneously, Google will see ad revenue shrinking in lockstep.
That's my grim view. Please prove me wrong so I can sleep better at night.
I think maybe you need to refresh your understanding of 'monopoly'!
Google has a near monopoly on search - that's a fact and has been a fact for a very long time. The only thing that is going to happen to Google is that those who might search using Google might also make increasing of use other places to find out what they need to know. These are most likely to relate to other sites they use a lot - like Facebook.
Amazon is a very long way from having a monopoly of the retail market online although it is a very significant player.
People who know what they want have always gone direct to Amazon. The reason the percentage is going up is because more people are buying online.
The bonus of using Google is that sometimes you get to the right product faster because of the sometimes archaic categorisations of products by Amazon and Amazon sellers.
Local businesses are folding because they were too slow getting to grips with the fact that consumer buying was moving online - despite all the warnings and the trend reports - because online retailers often offered - for some goods and products - better choice, better prices and better delivery times.
Those retailers that have got to grips with the realities of the 21st century have made sure that they also offer an online service.
I don't know about you but I make a lot of use of online retailers who are NOT part of Amazon - and I find them via Google and the ones that deliver a good service are bookmarked for future use in my browser.
What helps me enormously are those people (eg bloggers) who address common needs and requirements and produce curated/selected lists of products they know and/or have used and/or have tested with comments and recommendations. My sites which did that did extremely well on Squidoo. They've died a death on HubPages.
HubPages never set out to be that sort of site and hence is not set up to compete - especially when they have staff working for them who seem to delight in removing most of the Amazon modules irrespective of what the text says. (Quite how a business model works when income producing models are removed by people who are not experts in that field is beyond me!)
If HubPages wants to compete in this world it needs to have a good long hard think about whether the options it offers to members are the right ones - and whether it's keeping up with the trends for online retail - and where the advertising money is going (which is a whole other topic!)
Agree with everything you say in respond to Solaras, however I disagree with your point on HP and amazon products.
I have a hub with 3 products that went directly to a niche site when published. So do other writers who write product related hubs. From my point of view you need to do either of these two things to get your amazon ads onto the niche sites:
- Write informative articles/tutorials and link to a product if it's unlikely that the person has it at home but needs it to complete what you are saying. Else you're going to have people linking to salt when writing recipe hubs.
- Write product reviews and either compare products well and/or provide information on the product that is not readily available on Amazon. It could be hidden in the reviews and questions, that's why I say not readily available.
You need to either help someone make a good buying decision or do a lot of research yourself and help them out by saving their time. I'm not sure what your articles were like on Squidoo, but I have seen the types of articles on the site and I'd hate to see even one of those on here the way they were there. Just lists of amazon products with 2 lines describing each of them.
I have to jump in here to include my own testimony of what lobobrandon is saying about Amazon on HubPages. I never had a problem with hubs that have Amazon ads being moved to niche sites. I have 11 hubs with Amazon capsules and five of them are on niche sites.
For that matter, a recent hub that was moved has five Amazon capsules! And they accepted the entire thing without snipping ads. You just have to do it the right way as lobobrandon explains.
I'm very experienced at writing comprehensive compendiums of recommended books - with all the reasons why pros/cons etc and what sort of person they will suit. Also influenced by and based on recommendations from artists reading my blog - which is why they used to do so well on Squidoo.
My book sites will be moving to my own niche websites - so I'm not moving them on HubPages. Hubpages and I do not agree on how many modules work. My view is that books do NOT substitute for one another. They may be about the same topic but approach it in a quite different way. (i.e. one of the reasons why watercolour painting or drawing books keep being written and published and sold!). It all depends on how the site is structured and written - some will split books suitable for beginners, intermediate and advanced and I don't - because at the end of the day a larger site gets more traction re. visitors and gets recommended more widely. If you make it too niche it just disappears into the ether........
Bottomline though all of them only work if you've got authority and expertise and a following outside HubPages.
True, that's why I have my own niche site as sometimes I need more links than one which is not possible here. But I agree with what HP is doing in this regard. If you found your niche it's recommended to take it to your own website. HP is for articles that do not belong to your niche sites anyway.
"People who know what they want have always gone direct to Amazon. The reason the percentage is going up is because more people are buying online."
No, this was a study that found Amazon was the starting point for consumers looking to buy something. Not, "where do you buy your stuff these days."
Edit: This is not about Hubpages; it's about a paradigm shift and the future 4 years out. People trust the reviews on Amazon over some single author bit of advise. They go look at # of stars, top comments and buy from there. And every year more people in the USA are moving in that direction. That may not be the case in the UK, but it is a trend with a lot of momentum here.
Amazon is now a grocery store too, that delivers within hours in certain cities. So my definition of Monopoly would be ONE company that delivers 80% of the goods and food products consumed by a nation.
If more people are buying online than more people will be starting at Amazon. (PS I'm happy to agree to disagree but until I see the question actually asked I'm still very inclined to tie the increase re. Amazon being related to more people buying online)
Amazon not that long ago had all sorts of problems with fake reviews. It still has a major problem with completely nonsensical, lowbrow and one sentence reviews.
One of my most successful lenses on Squidoo used to be about going through the ratings and weeding out all the products in the wrong categories, all the ones with the rubbish reviews and curating a list which actually meant something. It's not that difficult. Amazon listings are really trashy but when you work with them for a bit you can begin to make sense of them in a more meaningful way - and that's what curation is all about. Weeding out the trash.
Amazon may be delivering groceries but it's a very long way from a major player in the food retail market. Doing it and dominating are two very different things.
We'll enjoy hubpages long as we can, but also look for other opportunities, It's important for our growth.
I earned less yesterday than I have done for 7 years! unbelievable!
Um... I think there's been a mistake in my earnings. They quadrupled for yesterday. I think I might have to contact someone... but I don't want to
Could it be an Amazon sale? Because I don't see any increase and if it's a bug it's usually all across the board
No, Amazon earnings still pending for me. That's what I thought it was until I clicked on the earnings tab.
Then go back and delete your comment here before a staff member sees it
Pending or not is irrelevant. The question is – do you see it under the "Ad Program" column or under "Amazon"? I once had a huge increase under the ad program one day without additional views. I just assumed a high-paying ad impression must have appeared in one of my hubs. Google charges advertises based on a sort of auction under Google AdWords. Some ad categories are expensive, some are cheap.
And did that jump stay or was it changed once the earnings were finalized?
Ad program. As I said, Amazon earnings still pending for yesterday, i.e. it shows zero with an asterisk. Been here long enough to know the difference I thought that maybe they'd allocated the earnings to the wrong column.
I've had about five hubs moved to niche sites in the last week, so perhaps that's it? Traffic has dropped a little but not massively. As per the topic of the thread, my top two have lost a couple of hundred daily views.
Either one can be pending, that's why I asked. If the Ad Program entry no longer has an asterisk then the earnings is solid. They don't allocate to the wrong column, it's all under program control.
Out of topic, but going back to the main reason this thread was started.
My initial quick comparison between HealDove and Caloriebee was probably in the right direction. There are other people working on SEO saying the same on some closed FB groups that I am in. I could only find a single blog post that goes out and says the same thing:
https://www. bluecorona.com/blog/fred-algorithm-update-march-2017 (Remove space to read it)
Interesting that article is saying the update is for sites with bad backlinking; I think there was a MOZ article claiming that sites with heavy ads and thin content was hit.
Yes, but from the article I read on Search Engine Land? Or the place Glenn posted a link to showed a list of sites that were hit. Some of them had no ads, just bad link profiles.
And my idea was that if healdove was hit because of the ads why none of the other 20 or so niche sites? This is my original post: http://hubpages.com/community/forum/140 … ost2878358
Everyone has interesting stories about how adsense has worked for their hubs and older websites. This discussion forum has been educational for all of us. Our personal voyage on writing content differs a lot from one another.
Would be good if a hubpage staff could come and do some reassuring at least it would make us feel a bit better!
Paul Edmondson did stop by to affirm that we have been affected by "the latest update." Beyond that, I'm sure they are doing the best they can. Google does not tell anybody what it wants. They are guessing (based on their experience) the same as we are.
Okay - Ready for this?
Here's something completely different from prior discussions dealing with the drop being due to the new Google algorithm.
Today I just discovered that my best performing hub, which took the biggest hit in traffic, has been plagiarized with 15 copies around the Internet.
I also noticed that the domains of a few that I checked were registered in the past few months. Very new.
I spent a good part of the day tracking down the web hosts of each one and I already filed a few DMCA takedown notices. Many are strangely unregistered domains but active when I click on them. And Google obviously found them too, since they are indexed. Not sure how they are playing this game. I never ran into this problem before with locating hosts, and I've filed a lot of DMCA takedown requests in my time.
I have to complete the task over the next few days.
I suggest everyone here check out your hubs for plagiarism. I didn't get a warning about any of them from HubPages. I found them by doing Google searches with random sentences from my hubs. Some thieves just take entire sections, but not the whole thing. Some use the same title, and some don't. One of them even had all my comments with my name included an all my replies (How silly is that?)
Anyway, good luck everyone. I have a feeling if I had 15 copies stolen from one hub, this must be wide-spread.
I'm not saying this is the reason for the drop in traffic many of us are experiencing. It's just another part of the mysterious puzzle that I thought I should share.
You inspired me to go on a hunt. Found top two hubs copied around 7 times. Ugh. DMCAs issued. Thanks.
Ugh! SMH. Thanks, Glenn. One more project, no time. I bet it's a combo of both thieves and Google algo update. Interesting though, how it seems to hit just one hub worse than the others. Ah, just realized, thieves hit the most popular ones. Sigh, good luck to all.
That's right. Thieves go for the most popular ones. With 15 copies now, my traffic dropped to a fraction of what it was on that one hub. I also just discovered that some of those sites have malware too. So that's another way to report it. Google has a page where you can report malware sites.
Google makes billions of dollars from it's search engine so where does this money come from? It comes from advertisers who are willing to pay Google for a prime spot on their search engine. So unless you are willing to pay Google a lot of money, it will always down grade anyone whom they cannot profit from.
Traffic to my top earning, 5000 word, evergreen, non seasonal article has halved since 11th March. Traffic was on a continuous upwards trend since last June with only one small dip over a period of about a month last November. Can't find any plagiarised copies.
What about your other articles? Has the traffic changed for them?
Which niche site is this hub on, if I may ask?
On Dengarden. According to GA, it's organic traffic(which makes up about 80% of total ) which has dropped off.
I actually added extra text and image content in the last fortnight, but also fiddled with sub-titles in text modules, changing them to have H3 tags. So maybe I "broke" something.
I would have to say yes you did.
Whatever you have changed I suggest you go back and undo it. Use http://web.archive.org/ to find the old version. Adding new text is okay. Iif you deleted text add it back. If you changed headings change them back.
Then wait for a week (since we cannot submit the hub to webmaster tools for a reindex anymore) and hopefully things should be back to normal for you.
My hubs on dengarden have not moved in terms of rankings, if any the new ones are moving up. The old ones are consistent. Do this and let us know if you get back your traffic, it always jumps back up if the issue was the changes.
Another thing i noticed is that all my hubs still on hubpages are being read regularly. Its the ones on the new sites that are having the troubles!
For anyone keeping track, my views on Pethelpful are off 28%. So sad about me.
Wow, that is terrible. My suggestion is that you read all of my hubs and share them all on social media. (It wont help your numbers at all, but I am just suffering from a bout of insomnia and have nothing better to do than ask!!!)
Here is a bit that might explain my crummy earnings exacerbated by my lower views. Google Adsense is under attack, and I would guess this would have reverberations throughout the advertising community.
They are losing revenue for a lack of policing their sleazy ads:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … ng-content
They are a moralizing bunch in the UK. What could be wrong with advocates of hate speech, terrorists and people like us getting a few quid from their coffers?
Ohh Will..say it ain't so. The English Springer folk still applaud my musings in your lands so all can't be that bad...
Ha ha... I love the way the article singles out a right wing white activist and the Polish Defence League, and doesn't mention the origin of the majority of these 'hate' videos. Sorry, off topic.
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