Earnings has just not recouped

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  1. weezyschannel profile image88
    weezyschannelposted 19 months ago

    OK follow Hubers! I was wondering if anyone's earnings have bounced back yet from Fred or from HubPages changing the homepage's  overall look?   I am still earning under $.25 a day! I've lost 98% of my revenue per day for almost the last two months now.

    I was never making a ton of money; but I was making something where I felt like my work was  at least being acknowledged, I felt I was contributing and that the  work I put in, was at least Worth while.

    I realize that it does take a little time to recoup after either an algorithm or after Hubpages changed the website a little bit… But this is just gone on way too long and I'm not seeing any hope of increase in earnings at all.

    Just curious if I'm the only one who has not bounced back yet… It seems when my hubs were moved to Healdove and other areas, my earnings just went out the window.

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Other factors could be part of the decline. The economy slowed quite a bit in the first quarter of this year. Time of year also is a factor.

      It helps me to compare earnings in April with the same month a year ago. My total page views are up and my CPMs are down. But the growth in page views is higher than the decline in CPMs.

      That said, everyone's situation is different.

      1. NateB11 profile image92
        NateB11posted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Wow, thanks for that. I just made the comparison and actually my earnings are better this year. Makes me think this is just the normal up and down of earnings/traffic.

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          You're welcome. You might want to check the ratio of your mobile visitors to desktop visitors in Google Analytics. Mobile CPMs are much lower than desktop CPMs. If your mobile growth is higher than your desktop growth compared to last year, you should see a decline in the average CPM from that trend alone.

          It may also help to keep in mind that there is a limit to the amount of available advertising. The big growth of HubPages as a result of the niche sites means more low-paying ads and sometimes no ads at all. A site that attracts 200% more audience can't always attract 200% more advertising with the same average CPM.

          I wish tracking all of this stuff would be simpler.  smile

          1. NateB11 profile image92
            NateB11posted 19 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks again, Scott. I'll definitely look at those stats.

            I didn't know mobile CPMs were lower. That could definitely explain any drop in earnings.

            1. weezyschannel profile image88
              weezyschannelposted 19 months agoin reply to this

              Please read my post at bottom- shut off ad program and kept Adsense only.  I made literally $.50 in 10 years off of AdSense when I had both ad programs on… I am happy to say today I've made more money than I have in two weeks total.  I actually feel like writing more articles right now… My faith has been restored!

              I am in so much shock to me honest…  I turned it off last night  just to see what would happen

              I will continue to write articles now and at least feel like my work is Worth doing.  I really thought I would have to test it for a whole week; well one day, and I'm sold

              1. janshares profile image94
                jansharesposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                Interesting. Good for you. My earnings are creeping back with increased traffic. I will leave things as they are, it's probably a very individual thing depending on several factors. Continued blessings to you.

              2. Marisa Wright profile image96
                Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                When you have the HP Ads program turned on, it's normal to earn pennies (or even nothing) on Adsense.

                1. Robie Benve profile image97
                  Robie Benveposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm giving it a try turning the HP Ads program off for a week, and see how Adsense reacts.
                  The first two days look promising. HB Ads down to $0, while Adsense increase washes out and is a little bit higher.
                  I'm curious to see if this keeps up. Thanks for the tip!

              3. NateB11 profile image92
                NateB11posted 19 months agoin reply to this

                I've been thinking about doing that for awhile, maybe I'll take the plunge.

  2. Marisa Wright profile image96
    Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago

    I don't know why you would expect earnings to bounce back.   When Google's algorithm changes, usually it's a permanent change.  The only thing that will make earnings bounce back is if HubPages makes changes to suit the new algorithm.

    How is your main website going?  Are you making money from it?   I could make a few suggestions to improve it.

    1. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      There is nothing permanent about Google algo changes. Google tweaks search on a daily basis looking for the best results.

      The ad market is a bidding war so remuneration is volatile too.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image96
        Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        It's true Google is constantly tweaking BUT they very rarely change their minds and put things back the way they were.

        So there's no reason to expect traffic to rebound after an algorithm change, because subsequent tweaks aren't likely to undo whatever caused it to crash.  Which is what was implied.

        1. Will Apse profile image90
          Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          There is no reason to think that any search traffic loss is permanent. Sites can adapt. The algo's will certainly change.

          To me, this is just another example of the 'we are all doomed' approach.

          1. psycheskinner profile image84
            psycheskinnerposted 19 months agoin reply to this

            I don't see that at all. She was just responding to the wording that suggested google changes are innately temporary and all you have to do us wait, when in fact you have to change and adapt. Hubpages willingness to adapt, even at the cost of sometimes having to use trial and error, is the main reason they are the last old time contentvsite still standing--and they certainly may eventually crack the code

            1. Will Apse profile image90
              Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

              I don't think Marisa realises the effect that her constant hammering of the 'set up your own blog' theme has here. We need newbies to stick around but the slightest set back in the SERPs is an excuse for her to describe the joys of rival sites. Now and again, fine -- point out the career options -- but not all the time, ad nauseam.

              And beyond that, suggesting that every set back is permanent and irrecoverable... that is plain irresponsible.

              1. theraggededge profile image98
                theraggededgeposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                But that's not what Marissa meant. She said that Google are unlikely to make a change and then undo that change at a later date. So unless HP (or whatever site) changes their strategy in response, traffic is not going to recover. So the Great God Google says, "Dance!" and we all dance.

                It is what it is and you can't blame Marisa for telling the truth. You could always skip past her responses if they bother you that much.

                1. Will Apse profile image90
                  Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  Well, it happened today. And it has happened before. So, she is just plain wrong.

                  Being wrong is not the end of the world, of course, but I hate seeing the newbies be discouraged for no good reason.

                  1. theraggededge profile image98
                    theraggededgeposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                    Well perhaps, you should say/do something to encourage them? Like respond to requests for feedback and help, maybe?

          2. Marisa Wright profile image96
            Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

            OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WILL!  If you are going to be rude about one of my posts, at least read the bloody thing properly.

            Go back and read it again.  What I said was   "When Google's algorithm changes, usually it's a permanent change.  The only thing that will make earnings bounce back is if HubPages makes changes to suit the new algorithm. 

            So you see, I didn't say bouncing back is impossible. I said, it's wrong to think you just have to sit there and wait for traffic to bounce back.

            Both TheRaggedEdge and Psycheskinner both understood what I said perfectly.

            1. Will Apse profile image90
              Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

              So what's this?

              http://hubpages.com/community/forum/141 … ost2887484

              Anyway... mostly I am asking you to give some thought to people who want this site to succeed. Put your ego aside, stop pretending you are some kind of blogging/SEO superstar and let people focus on making a go of being here.

              1. theraggededge profile image98
                theraggededgeposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                Well I hope she ignores your grumpy attempts at closing down her advice and opinions. I've learned loads from Marisa over the last few years.

                Why aren't you having a go at the people who post the 'my traffic is falling' threads in the first place? You seem to have personal vendetta against Marisa, who only tells it as she sees it.

                Marisa, please carry on. Some of us appreciate you.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image96
                  Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  Thank you.

              2. psycheskinner profile image84
                psycheskinnerposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                If you don't like someone perspective, ignore it.  Otherwise the one being negative here is you.

                1. Bedbugabscond profile image97
                  Bedbugabscondposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  I respect Marisa, but I feel similarly to will.  The recent changes to Google reflect the need for writers to choose their language carefully. How do you show you are an expert? By learning how to modify your content to use language that is very clear.

                  Sometimes Marisa seems a bit doomsdayish. If that is the intent behind her language, then I call it freedom of speech.

                  However, to ask will to not respond and share his opinion is unfair. He is also entitled to free speech.

                  We don't have to agree with each other. In fact, when we push each other it acts as a mechanism of change and improvement.

                  Both Marisa and Will agree that hubpages and writers must adapt. This thread is about earnings, with lots of great answers.

                  My earnings is now at an all time high. But, to make that happen I had to follow both sets of guidelines I mentioned below.

                  I also had to learn how to edit for language modification in regards to the intent of the quires I rank for.

                  The bottom line is the this is the 21st century, where writers must write for clarity. You must connect to your readers using your language set.

              3. Marisa Wright profile image96
                Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                Er...and the relevance is?  That thread was posted 21 hours ago.   The OP posted her question 3 days ago. 

                I didn't say that HubPages wasn't taking action. I just pointed out that recovery  can't happen unless action is taken - perhaps I should have added "and then you give that action time to see whether it worked".

                1. Bedbugabscond profile image97
                  Bedbugabscondposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  Who said hubpages wasn't taking action? I must have missed that part. We know they are taking action.

                  1. Bedbugabscond profile image97
                    Bedbugabscondposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                    You know, this is exactally what we need to talk about, One lesson from Fred is that writers must read and write without personal bias.

                    I truely believe that my success on my various sites can be attributed to learning to communicate with fewer personal bias.

                    I know that many believe an algorithm could not be that smart. It can't. But, when it works with its friend rank brain, the landscape changes.

                    The system can be impacted to implicate bias even when humans can't see it.

                    When we communicate by taking a statement, and adding a bias the resulting miscommunication is a product of assumption.

                    This can create an emotional response that is clearly felt through the communication. Human pshycology tells us that this changes how people feel about a given communication.

                    These can be monitored through metrics. For example, a high bounce rate is a sign that your presentation or introduction did not satisfy readers.

                    Metrics and ranking signals are not the same thing.

                    Hubpages is doing their part. I trust that. Writers must understand that human communication is an evolving entity, and technology is using artificial intelligence.

                  2. Marisa Wright profile image96
                    Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                    Exactly. I didn't say that HubPages wasn't taking action.   Will seemed to be suggesting that I was.

                2. Will Apse profile image90
                  Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                  Please read what Paul actually said. He did not believe that it was HP action that caused the recovery. He believed it was a change to the algorithm on Google's part.

                  It is important to get facts straight.

                  As I said before, what is really bugging me is the underlying attitude across the breadth of your posts that HP is a bad place to be, always about to get irredeemably hit by Google, and that anyone with any real talent should get out.

                  Incidentally, if you want to give out blogging advice you could always start a blog, lol.

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image96
                    Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

                    I'm not the one starting threads with titles like "Is HubPages Doomed?", "HubPages Traffic Dramatically Dropping", "Losing Faith in HubPages", "Is it Me or is HubPages Going Down the Tubes".

                    How come you're not being insulting and rude and nasty to the people who started those threads, huh?  They're not just making a statement, they're trumpeting it with a big bold heading.  But no, you wait until I make a reply and jump in with your snide remarks.

  3. weezyschannel profile image88
    weezyschannelposted 19 months ago

    OK, I shut off the hubpages ad program

    I am happy to say, in less than four hours I have earned more money with just the Google AdSense than I have in two weeks  using both the ad program and Google

    I suggest maybe just trying using the Google AdSense program to see what  happens

  4. theraggededge profile image98
    theraggededgeposted 19 months ago

    I'd encourage everyone to give it a try, even if it's only a week.

    My Adsense was on the brink of reaching payout last month (in the UK it's £60) and missed by a few pennies. I thought I'd try the switchover to make sure it hit the amount. Within a week, my daily earnings were up to what they were a few months ago. Not only making payout but more than doubling. And that was only a partial month. Amazon is doing OK on HP so it feels good to have two 'streams' from the same articles.

    1. janshares profile image94
      jansharesposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Wow, well maybe it's not such an individual thing. I wonder why it's happening though. So we are set up for both and can turn them on and off whenever? I'm such a non-risk taking chicken.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image96
        Marisa Wrightposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, you are set up for both and  can switch between them as often as you like.

        1. Jean Bakula profile image98
          Jean Bakulaposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          Plus as summer comes to the US, it's normal to get less traffic, people are outside more. Wait for a few rainy days and usually more red arrows appear.

        2. janshares profile image94
          jansharesposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks, Marisa, for both clarifications.

  5. Paul Kuehn profile image95
    Paul Kuehnposted 19 months ago

    If I earn $.50 a day, I am doing well now.  I saw the big change after the 1st of the year, and my views and CPM have been steadily decreasing, especially during the past two months.

  6. Bedbugabscond profile image97
    Bedbugabscondposted 19 months ago

    I have not only recovered, my traffic is slightly better. I have a seasonal nich, but I'm looking at all time highs when comparing data from the same months of previous years. I removed lots of amazon capsules, and made sure the few I used were accompanied by the appropriate level of information. Even with less Amazon capsules, my sales are up.

    I don't sell a lot of what is in the capsule, but more people who click through my add are traveling to other products and making purchases.

    I also edited my hubs for expertise, attempting to make sure the titles and content are appropriate to the intent of the targeted queries.

    My two favorite tools are the Google webmaster guidelines and the Google quality rating guidelines. Between the two doccuments the answers are there.

  7. Marisa Wright profile image96
    Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago

    That snide remark just proved my point.

    How come you don't jump in when I'm advising a newbie on how to apply for their Adsense account or how to use capsules?

    How come you don't jump in when I'm telling a Hubber NOT to start a blog if they don't have a specialist subject they can write a lot about? 

    Where were you recently, when I was advising a Hubber to give up her blog because she didn't have a clear enough focus, and that she'd be better of sticking with HubPages?

    How come you didn't jump in when I was posting enthusiastically about the announcement of the new niche sites?

    How come you so rarely pop into help other Hubbers, if you care so much about the site?

  8. Solaras profile image96
    Solarasposted 19 months ago

    All I can say is; God bless Amazon this week.

    1. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      I note they have 'Pity' and 'Wrath' on special offer this week.

  9. Marisa Wright profile image96
    Marisa Wrightposted 19 months ago

    Oh, so now I'm a virus, am I? Thanks a bundle.

    As for low returns - care to be specific?  Maybe I just have higher expectations of what I expect to get paid per article.

 
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