Earnings has just not recouped

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weezyschannelposted 7 years ago
OK follow Hubers! I was wondering if anyone's earnings have bounced back yet from Fred or from HubPages changing the homepage's overall look? I am still earning under $.25 a day! I've lost 98% of my revenue per day for almost the last two months now.

I was never making a ton of money; but I was making something where I felt like my work was at least being acknowledged, I felt I was contributing and that the work I put in, was at least Worth while.

I realize that it does take a little time to recoup after either an algorithm or after Hubpages changed the website a little bit… But this is just gone on way too long and I'm not seeing any hope of increase in earnings at all.

Just curious if I'm the only one who has not bounced back yet… It seems when my hubs were moved to Healdove and other areas, my earnings just went out the window.
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  promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Other factors could be part of the decline. The economy slowed quite a bit in the first quarter of this year. Time of year also is a factor.
  
  It helps me to compare earnings in April with the same month a year ago. My total page views are up and my CPMs are down. But the growth in page views is higher than the decline in CPMs.
  
  That said, everyone's situation is different.
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  NateB11posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, thanks for that. I just made the comparison and actually my earnings are better this year. Makes me think this is just the normal up and down of earnings/traffic.
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  promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome. You might want to check the ratio of your mobile visitors to desktop visitors in Google Analytics. Mobile CPMs are much lower than desktop CPMs. If your mobile growth is higher than your desktop growth compared to last year, you should see a decline in the average CPM from that trend alone.
  
  It may also help to keep in mind that there is a limit to the amount of available advertising. The big growth of HubPages as a result of the niche sites means more low-paying ads and sometimes no ads at all. A site that attracts 200% more audience can't always attract 200% more advertising with the same average CPM.
  
  I wish tracking all of this stuff would be simpler.
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  NateB11posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks again, Scott. I'll definitely look at those stats.
  
  I didn't know mobile CPMs were lower. That could definitely explain any drop in earnings.
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  weezyschannelposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Please read my post at bottom- shut off ad program and kept Adsense only. I made literally $.50 in 10 years off of AdSense when I had both ad programs on… I am happy to say today I've made more money than I have in two weeks total. I actually feel like writing more articles right now… My faith has been restored!
  
  I am in so much shock to me honest… I turned it off last night just to see what would happen
  
  I will continue to write articles now and at least feel like my work is Worth doing. I really thought I would have to test it for a whole week; well one day, and I'm sold
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  jansharesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting. Good for you. My earnings are creeping back with increased traffic. I will leave things as they are, it's probably a very individual thing depending on several factors. Continued blessings to you.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  When you have the HP Ads program turned on, it's normal to earn pennies (or even nothing) on Adsense.
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  Robie Benveposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm giving it a try turning the HP Ads program off for a week, and see how Adsense reacts.
  The first two days look promising. HB Ads down to $0, while Adsense increase washes out and is a little bit higher.
  I'm curious to see if this keeps up. Thanks for the tip!
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  NateB11posted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I've been thinking about doing that for awhile, maybe I'll take the plunge.
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Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago
I don't know why you would expect earnings to bounce back. When Google's algorithm changes, usually it's a permanent change. The only thing that will make earnings bounce back is if HubPages makes changes to suit the new algorithm.

How is your main website going? Are you making money from it? I could make a few suggestions to improve it.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing permanent about Google algo changes. Google tweaks search on a daily basis looking for the best results.
  
  The ad market is a bidding war so remuneration is volatile too.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It's true Google is constantly tweaking BUT they very rarely change their minds and put things back the way they were.
  
  So there's no reason to expect traffic to rebound after an algorithm change, because subsequent tweaks aren't likely to undo whatever caused it to crash. Which is what was implied.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is no reason to think that any search traffic loss is permanent. Sites can adapt. The algo's will certainly change.
  
  To me, this is just another example of the 'we are all doomed' approach.
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see that at all. She was just responding to the wording that suggested google changes are innately temporary and all you have to do us wait, when in fact you have to change and adapt. Hubpages willingness to adapt, even at the cost of sometimes having to use trial and error, is the main reason they are the last old time contentvsite still standing--and they certainly may eventually crack the code
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Marisa realises the effect that her constant hammering of the 'set up your own blog' theme has here. We need newbies to stick around but the slightest set back in the SERPs is an excuse for her to describe the joys of rival sites. Now and again, fine -- point out the career options -- but not all the time, ad nauseam.
  
  And beyond that, suggesting that every set back is permanent and irrecoverable... that is plain irresponsible.
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  theraggededgeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  But that's not what Marissa meant. She said that Google are unlikely to make a change and then undo that change at a later date. So unless HP (or whatever site) changes their strategy in response, traffic is not going to recover. So the Great God Google says, "Dance!" and we all dance.
  
  It is what it is and you can't blame Marisa for telling the truth. You could always skip past her responses if they bother you that much.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well, it happened today. And it has happened before. So, she is just plain wrong.
  
  Being wrong is not the end of the world, of course, but I hate seeing the newbies be discouraged for no good reason.
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  theraggededgeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well perhaps, you should say/do something to encourage them? Like respond to requests for feedback and help, maybe?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WILL! If you are going to be rude about one of my posts, at least read the bloody thing properly.
  
  Go back and read it again. What I said was "When Google's algorithm changes, usually it's a permanent change. The only thing that will make earnings bounce back is if HubPages makes changes to suit the new algorithm.
  
  So you see, I didn't say bouncing back is impossible. I said, it's wrong to think you just have to sit there and wait for traffic to bounce back.
  
  Both TheRaggedEdge and Psycheskinner both understood what I said perfectly.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  So what's this?
  
  http://hubpages.com/community/forum/141 … ost2887484
  
  Anyway... mostly I am asking you to give some thought to people who want this site to succeed. Put your ego aside, stop pretending you are some kind of blogging/SEO superstar and let people focus on making a go of being here.
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  theraggededgeposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Well I hope she ignores your grumpy attempts at closing down her advice and opinions. I've learned loads from Marisa over the last few years.
  
  Why aren't you having a go at the people who post the 'my traffic is falling' threads in the first place? You seem to have personal vendetta against Marisa, who only tells it as she sees it.
  
  Marisa, please carry on. Some of us appreciate you.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't like someone perspective, ignore it. Otherwise the one being negative here is you.
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I respect Marisa, but I feel similarly to will. The recent changes to Google reflect the need for writers to choose their language carefully. How do you show you are an expert? By learning how to modify your content to use language that is very clear.
  
  Sometimes Marisa seems a bit doomsdayish. If that is the intent behind her language, then I call it freedom of speech.
  
  However, to ask will to not respond and share his opinion is unfair. He is also entitled to free speech.
  
  We don't have to agree with each other. In fact, when we push each other it acts as a mechanism of change and improvement.
  
  Both Marisa and Will agree that hubpages and writers must adapt. This thread is about earnings, with lots of great answers.
  
  My earnings is now at an all time high. But, to make that happen I had to follow both sets of guidelines I mentioned below.
  
  I also had to learn how to edit for language modification in regards to the intent of the quires I rank for.
  
  The bottom line is the this is the 21st century, where writers must write for clarity. You must connect to your readers using your language set.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Er...and the relevance is? That thread was posted 21 hours ago. The OP posted her question 3 days ago.
  
  I didn't say that HubPages wasn't taking action. I just pointed out that recovery can't happen unless action is taken - perhaps I should have added "and then you give that action time to see whether it worked".
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Who said hubpages wasn't taking action? I must have missed that part. We know they are taking action.
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  You know, this is exactally what we need to talk about, One lesson from Fred is that writers must read and write without personal bias.
  
  I truely believe that my success on my various sites can be attributed to learning to communicate with fewer personal bias.
  
  I know that many believe an algorithm could not be that smart. It can't. But, when it works with its friend rank brain, the landscape changes.
  
  The system can be impacted to implicate bias even when humans can't see it.
  
  When we communicate by taking a statement, and adding a bias the resulting miscommunication is a product of assumption.
  
  This can create an emotional response that is clearly felt through the communication. Human pshycology tells us that this changes how people feel about a given communication.
  
  These can be monitored through metrics. For example, a high bounce rate is a sign that your presentation or introduction did not satisfy readers.
  
  Metrics and ranking signals are not the same thing.
  
  Hubpages is doing their part. I trust that. Writers must understand that human communication is an evolving entity, and technology is using artificial intelligence.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. I didn't say that HubPages wasn't taking action. Will seemed to be suggesting that I was.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Please read what Paul actually said. He did not believe that it was HP action that caused the recovery. He believed it was a change to the algorithm on Google's part.
  
  It is important to get facts straight.
  
  As I said before, what is really bugging me is the underlying attitude across the breadth of your posts that HP is a bad place to be, always about to get irredeemably hit by Google, and that anyone with any real talent should get out.
  
  Incidentally, if you want to give out blogging advice you could always start a blog, lol.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not the one starting threads with titles like "Is HubPages Doomed?", "HubPages Traffic Dramatically Dropping", "Losing Faith in HubPages", "Is it Me or is HubPages Going Down the Tubes".
  
  How come you're not being insulting and rude and nasty to the people who started those threads, huh? They're not just making a statement, they're trumpeting it with a big bold heading. But no, you wait until I make a reply and jump in with your snide remarks.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not being insulting, rude or nasty. I am merely point out stuff that you would rather not hear. And I am doing it because I actually care about this site, as a site. It is more to me than just a stage for a performance.
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, I tried that. The post quickly sank with little response. Yet, I saw comment after comment in negative threads. I stopped posting in them because I don't want to perpetuate all the negativity I saw.
  
  I am posting here to give others hope.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  @Bedbug - I was talking to Will, not you. You have not been rude or nasty at all. Do you read the forums in chronological view?
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you two always seem to be two strong minds that challenge each other. Yet, you both have so much to offer. I just want mommy and daddy to get along. Lol.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to be so persistent but Marisa is a special case. She is knowledgeable, genuinely helpful and well respected in the forums which means that she has a big impact.
  
  I just want her to give a little more thought to the nature of that impact.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for that gracious assessment, for a change.
  
  I do think about my impact, though I don't think I'm so hugely respected as you seem to believe. Many of the people asking questions here wouldn't know me from a bar of soap. I just don't believe in sugar-coating, it's not the Australian way. And though it's in my interests that HubPages should do well - I still earn money here after all - I don't think it's right to encourage people to join with false promises, in order to prop it up.
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  Bedbugabscondposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is like being spiderman. With great power comes great responsibility.
  
  Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Marisa Woman!!!
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That might be the difference between us. I am one of the people who has earned well enough, so I am aware of what HP can do for someone willing to learn.
  
  Not every newbie will succeed but discouragement based purely on personal disappointment is hard for me to swallow.
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  Solarasposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  By December 2016 I could say HP was a substantial part of my income. Amazon is making a comeback, so I am hopeful again, but losing 50% of my income was hard to stomach.
  
  Still You just have to ride the beast in your stable, and this one does much better than my own blog. I'll say I don't think I am a loser on my own blog either, I just don't have the time to keep it as active as my fellow hubbers keep things active over here.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That is one of the strongest things in HP's favor. You personally do not need to keep abreast of every change in search, you do not personally need to keep the site content fresh and you do not have to write every day or, even, every month.
  
  And, of course, if you are a newbie you will have enough to do just learning how to write.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you think it's based on personal disappointment? I am sad that my articles never reached the point of paying me a liveable income, but my Hubs have paid me handsomely considering the amount of effort it cost me to write them.
  
  However that's me, with the benefit of several years on the site. As you know, articles online are profitable because they are posted for the long term - they're earning pennies or, if you're lucky, a few dollars per month. Which means it takes a year or two for an article to pay a decent return on the time invested. Therefore if there's any doubt about HubPages longevity, writing here is a risky exercise because you may not see a return on your investment.
  
  I still recommend people without a specialist subject to write here (and it's annoying that you seem to ignore or forget those comments), because there isn't anywhere else worth considering. With no alternative, those writers just have to live with that risk. Whereas if they have a specialist subject, they can start a blog and avoid that risk altogether, because they know it's up to them how long that site lives for.
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  Solarasposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'll say any writing on the Internet, anywhere, is a risky investment, which is why I put effort in other avenues before an article on the web. I am a slow writer, so a day to 1 1/2 days is a considerable investment.
  
  Still my first articles, after I understood the knack, are earning a little more than few dollars a day, while Amazon can quadruple that. I'd say that two of mine from 2013 have earned $1500.00 with no products to sell and they remain near the top of page views for their topics, and continue earning better each year. Amazon products can add up to $15-150.00 a day, however that is not consistent daily. If it were I could make a living here. Maybe I should refocus my efforts lol.
  
  I mention this for the newbies who, like I once was, and still remain, are seekers of truth regarding the potential earnings of HP, which remain riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  A few of your assumptions:
  
  Other people get returns as low as your own
  HP is on the constant verge of collapse
  It is vanity publishing by rich owners who treat it as a hobby, therefore it is entlirely insecure
  Starting a blog will make you more money
  
  On that last point... a handful of people have become successful webmasters after starting here, and well done to them, especially since they don't hang around undermining this site.
  
  Some people are like a virus the forums cannot shake off, and, whenever there is a set back, they flare up to slow the recovery.
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weezyschannelposted 7 years ago
OK, I shut off the hubpages ad program

I am happy to say, in less than four hours I have earned more money with just the Google AdSense than I have in two weeks using both the ad program and Google

I suggest maybe just trying using the Google AdSense program to see what happens
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theraggededgeposted 7 years ago
I'd encourage everyone to give it a try, even if it's only a week.

My Adsense was on the brink of reaching payout last month (in the UK it's £60) and missed by a few pennies. I thought I'd try the switchover to make sure it hit the amount. Within a week, my daily earnings were up to what they were a few months ago. Not only making payout but more than doubling. And that was only a partial month. Amazon is doing OK on HP so it feels good to have two 'streams' from the same articles.
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  jansharesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, well maybe it's not such an individual thing. I wonder why it's happening though. So we are set up for both and can turn them on and off whenever? I'm such a non-risk taking chicken.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you are set up for both and can switch between them as often as you like.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Plus as summer comes to the US, it's normal to get less traffic, people are outside more. Wait for a few rainy days and usually more red arrows appear.
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  jansharesposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Marisa, for both clarifications.
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Paul Kuehnposted 7 years ago
If I earn $.50 a day, I am doing well now. I saw the big change after the 1st of the year, and my views and CPM have been steadily decreasing, especially during the past two months.
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Bedbugabscondposted 7 years ago
I have not only recovered, my traffic is slightly better. I have a seasonal nich, but I'm looking at all time highs when comparing data from the same months of previous years. I removed lots of amazon capsules, and made sure the few I used were accompanied by the appropriate level of information. Even with less Amazon capsules, my sales are up.

I don't sell a lot of what is in the capsule, but more people who click through my add are traveling to other products and making purchases.

I also edited my hubs for expertise, attempting to make sure the titles and content are appropriate to the intent of the targeted queries.

My two favorite tools are the Google webmaster guidelines and the Google quality rating guidelines. Between the two doccuments the answers are there.
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Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago
That snide remark just proved my point.

How come you don't jump in when I'm advising a newbie on how to apply for their Adsense account or how to use capsules?

How come you don't jump in when I'm telling a Hubber NOT to start a blog if they don't have a specialist subject they can write a lot about?

Where were you recently, when I was advising a Hubber to give up her blog because she didn't have a clear enough focus, and that she'd be better of sticking with HubPages?

How come you didn't jump in when I was posting enthusiastically about the announcement of the new niche sites?

How come you so rarely pop into help other Hubbers, if you care so much about the site?
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Solarasposted 7 years ago
All I can say is; God bless Amazon this week.
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  Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I note they have 'Pity' and 'Wrath' on special offer this week.
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Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago
Oh, so now I'm a virus, am I? Thanks a bundle.

As for low returns - care to be specific? Maybe I just have higher expectations of what I expect to get paid per article.
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