How long does it take for the red copyright symbol to show up?

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   girly_girl09posted 15 years ago

   Under 'my account'? I've had this happen for two hubs that were copied but the copyright symbol appeared next to the title at the same time (or I noticed it at the same time). Luckily, I got the content removed as it was hosted on an amazon review and yahoo answers.
   
   My latest copied article was copied on blogger and I just filed a DMCA report with them. However, I did not see the little red copyright symbol next to the hub's title under 'my account'. I only found out that it had been copied because I was googling the title of my hubs to check PR.
   
   So, it'd be helpful to know how often the copyright symbol appears next to the hub titles on the listing of hub stats under 'my acccount' Maybe I need to be actively checking hubs for copyright violations on a daily basis...

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      pauldeedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      They should go away eventually, but there is no exact timeline.  There are a lot of hubs to check and recheck, and it's a fairly intensive process.  I think the mean time between checks is about a month.

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   Won't that cut into your writing time?  Or whatever else it is you do to make a living?

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      girly_girl09posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      lol I definitely wouldn't check all of them each day. Perhaps 15 everyday and rotate. It doesn't take that long. I simply copy and paste the intro text to each hub, which I can quickly run through by using the latest hubs page. I use google chrome so you can easily highlight text, right click and select "search google for selected text". It goes very quickly.
      
      I know you can use copyscape to automatically alert you, but I would rather not pay for that service at this point in time.

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   ledefensetechposted 15 years ago

   My point was that rather than waste time trying to track down copyright infringement, you'd be better off spending you time writing new material.  Let's face it, unless you're producing new stuff, you fall behind.  The more time you spend actually writing, the more money you make.  Anything that takes away from that is a waste of time.
   
   Personally I consider it flattering is someone takes what I've written.  Not only does it reflect well on my abilities as a writer, it gets word about my subject to a larger audience.  Face it, if people like your work, they'll do the research to find more of it and that way they'll come across you.  Word will get back about the plagiarizer and they'll see their fan base disappear, because people really don't like cheats.  So while they benefit in the short term, you'll reap long term benefits.
   
   So don't waste time worrying about copyright, do what you do best.  Write.

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      girly_girl09posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Duplicates of my work can negatively affect ranking. Not always, but it can happen. I saw this happen on one of my top earning articles...I finally got the content removed, but in the meantime, my ranking declined.
      
      Plus, it really irks me that people steal my work and publish it as their own with no credit. The only copied material of mine that I've found so far has been completely stolen, with no credit. If someone did a blurb and a backlink, that's great. I have no issue with that. I've seen that happen and ignore those instances.

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         ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         In that case you talk to Hubpages and they'll see who originated the work.  That in and of itself is a different matter, because it affects you materially.  A lower rank in Hubpages means lower earnings.
         
         Now somebody using your content without your approval and spreading it all over the Web?  That doesn't materially hurt you and can actually help by getting your work across to a bigger audience.  When people do searches based on your topics that have been stolen, they are bound to come across you in their searches.  Once people get a taste of the real thing, they'll abandon the "content scraper" and you'll have new fans.  It all works itself out in the end.
         
         The main difference is whether or not something affects you materially or not.  If they do something to cost you money, go after them, if they're just stealing works, but that doesn't affect your ranking or such, don't worry about it.  Do what you do best.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Actually, no it doesn't.  Your Hubscore has no impact on your earnings.

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               ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               But it may warn people off from your work.  I know people haven't done studies or anything but people mostly think higher is better so lower rank, in that sense, can impact you materially.  I'm not so sure there is a way to prove that so it might not make a difference, but it may have an impact on how seriously people take you.  If they don't click you don't get paid.  I think people are more likely to take you seriously if you have a higher rank.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Most paying traffic comes from search engines.  Those readers come direct from the Google search page to your Hub, and they know nothing about how HubPages works.  So they don't know what HubScore means - for all they know, the numbers could run the other way (with 1 being the best). 
                  
                  If you are getting good traffic and your Hubs have good earnings potential, that will impact your Hubscore. It doesn't work the other way.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I don't mind if someone copies my work and includes a link back to my article, or acknowledges me as the writer with a link to my profile.  But if there's no link, it's pretty unlikely the reader is going to come across my article - there's just too much competition out there on the internet.
      
      That's one reason I like Hubpages, because that little copyright symbol will pop up and warn me if someone has copied something. It only takes a few minutes to fire off a notice to the offending website, and is well worth doing.

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   Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

   Hi GG, I support the sentiment. I have had hubs copied n carried off to corners of the web lol...maybe if you use Google alerts ...just list your name...anybody searching...you get a alert. That is how I had found one of my medical hubs info copied copying and stealing irks me too because that medical stuff takes a lot of careful work. n was a medical site that stole it go figure, lol. Anyways, that's the best suggestion I can give. You will get alerts to least bout the *who* or *what* is being searched. hope that helps.

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   curiozitiesposted 15 years ago

   I have Google alerts on both my screen name and my real name anyway but you shouldn't rely on that alone because anyone can remove your name.  It's good that HubPages has some tools to help you identify what is known as a "content scraper."  Google's blog has more info about it here.
   
   This is time consuming but if you suspect that someone has stolen, or "scraped" your content, you can find a unique phrase in your hub, copy it, paste it into Google's search box, put quotes around it, and you'll find every website on the internet that has been indexed with that phrase.  Time consuming, I admit. 
   
   The key thing with Google is to be the first one to have the content indexed by them.  Thankfully, HubPages is usually indexed fast by Google. 
   
   The only other glitch is that a lot of these content scraper sites are set up to take RSS feeds from other websites (like HubPages)and automatically populate their websites or blogs with content from other people.  If you find a website or blog that contains several of your hubs, that could be the case.  Unfortunately, the world (and the world wide web) is filled with jerks.

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   Whitney05posted 15 years ago

   I love the feature, but it's a pain when there isn't a contact button on the site. I have about 10-15 or so that I have to fax to google because the site doesn't have a contact button and they have ads. Figure that's the safest way.
   
   ledefensetech, copied content potentially pushes you further down search engines, which means less traffic, resulting in less earnings.

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      ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      In what ways does it get you pushed down?  Is there a way to write that gets around that little problem?  Do you think it's worth more to you to cultivate fans rather than cranking out content?  Wouldn't that be one way to defeat people who copy your work?  How many fans do you really need in that case?

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         girly_girl09posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Google penalizes duplicate content. Since mine was published first, it will get penalized the least in rank. However, I had one high earning hub that lost a lot until I finally figured out my hub had been copied word for word on amazon's askville. Hopefully, it will go back to normal, but it still hasn't returned to it's usual earnings.
         
         Just to clarify - I am talking about content that is copied word for word with no credit, anywhere. It is stealing. I don't find that a compliment.

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            ledefensetechposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Hey someone thought it was good enough to steal.  It may be a backhanded compliment, but it's a compliment nonetheless.

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               girly_girl09posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see it that way, at all. Someone stole something of mine to make money off of. It's the same as a criminal breaking and entering into my home, stealing my favorite jewelry and selling it at a pawn shop for profit.

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      girly_girl09posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I have been lucky so far. I had copied content on yahoo answers and amazon's askville. Both were really easy to get removed.
      
      My latest on a blogger site which had no way to contact the offer, so I filled out google's copyright violation form.
      
      Whitney, I'm sure you've had stuff copied on blogger before - how long does it usually take before it's removed?

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   relacheposted 15 years ago

   I've found that taking the time to look at a site's TOS and Privacy pages often gets me their DMCA/plagiarism policies faster than faxing Google.
   
   If a site itself won't respond to me, that's when I go to Google.
   
   And I'm often finding that the system let's me know things have been copied somewhere between a day and two weeks after the theft.

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      Whitney05posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That may be the case for most sites, but many of the ones that have copied my hubs don't have a TOS. They're one page sites or sites that have loads of random info. No contact; no TOS; nothing. It's frustrating.

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