Revenue Potential: $$$$$

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   guidebabaposted 13 years ago

   How to make good, wise and clever use of "Revenue Potential" Data.
   
   I have observed that the more links I add to a Hub, the revenue potential drops. Lesser and Very Relevant Links works best and takes the Hub on top of search engines. For e.g, the above data is from one of my hub that has around 700 words, 5 very relevant links and around 10 relevant tags. It is at the top of most search engines and is making good money.
   
   I also experimented with Tags. I recently used the Google External Keyword Tool and added as many tags as possible on some of my very-very successful hubs (with my other profile) and it just added to the disaster. My earning has DROPPED to 1/3.
   
   It seems like:
   
   * More links and more tags = Less Earning
   * Lesser and Very Relevant Links and Tags = More Earnings
   
   Your Thoughts Please.

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      anjalichughposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Surprisingly, the revenue potential increased since the day I added more tags. All my hubs have approx 10-15 tags and I did this following the advice of one hubber in a forum thread and her advice worked fine for me.

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         564626posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, anjali
         If you will add more relevant tags and links. Only then expect to earn more.
         If you do changes on mass level around 10 of your best hubs. like guide baba. Then go for any conclusion.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   I Thought.............. "Ummmmm Really? ....Interesting!"

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   564626posted 13 years ago

   Hi, guide baba
   I think what you are telling is right and you are experienced too. I added lots of tags in many of my hubs. All are not performing. But i think 5 tags is more then enough. I will test in next ten hubs, next month. more relevant more earnings

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   Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

   I haven't noticed (because I haven't looked), but I think I'll pay attention and see if I notice that.  In general, I do aim for very relevant links; but I also aim for tons of tags.    Thanks for mentioning what you've noticed.

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   Dame Scribeposted 13 years ago

   It's difficult not to keep adding tags to try and focus the Hub a touch of tagitis? lol

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   relacheposted 13 years ago

   I have hubs that show $$$$$ for earning potential which have more than five outgoing links and more than 10 tags.  I've always said relevancy was important so I agree on that part, but I don't agree with your limit concept.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I don't agree that how many links and tags has much to do or anything to do with the metrics. 
      
      Actually I am pretty sure that the $$$ depends on either how popular the search is and or how much advertisers are paying for the key words chosen for the hub.
      
      Doesn't mean that you will make money from the hub but I think that it only indicates the potential income if...if...if... you actually got the right traffic.
      
      I did a hub on mesothelioma it gets $$$$ but no one ever stops by because it's a pretty competitive market to beat, but if I did ever get a click it would pay over 20$'ish minues hp share.
      
      I did a hub on sex during pregnancy, it continues to bring in traffic but it's metric is $, haven't made a penny.
      
      I did one on cell phones, it gets $$$, it brings in about the same amount of traffic everyday which really is not a lot but this one continues (knock on wood) to make me money.
      
        shoot for the $$$ metric.

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   Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

   I have only linked once to another persons hub ( with their permission),but can I do that as often as I like ? always wondered about that .
   
   I dont have many places to leave backlinks and Im reluctant to join up to sites just for that purpose.
   
   Having said that I do use Facebook occasionally and tried Redit.com. But alas its a blue arrow day for me, so I might just go an make a key lime pie

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   frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

   I'm not one for tweaking hubs as a rule. Not because I think they're the best they can be, simply because I'm lazy.
   
   However, I spent most of today tweaking several. I thought I'd try it out. Not entirely sure what to tweak so I picked five. Of the list of things I did, I removed some tags, added a link or two (not to all), interlinked others that relate to each other.
   
   I rewrote some parts and made better use of headers etc. I added pictures where I thought I should, as well as videos. Of  the five I touched up, all five now have red triangles, one has two.
   
   Whether it was removing tags, adding links or whatever I've no idea.
   
   I'm now messing with a couple of others.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's always interesting how that works out right?  I think but am not certain that it's the linking that does it.

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         frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Absolutely
         
         Interesting, I have one hub that's A) a pile of crap keyword wise and b) shows only $$$ in the stats thingy. Yet it earns everyday. More and more as the days pass.
         
         So I don't know - I'm fairly foxed

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   badcompany99posted 13 years ago

   The red arrows mean nothing Frogger, the night I removed my hubs and then added them back I had 17 hubs with red arrows and my traffic almost doubled but the revenue from adsense kinda didnt see the red arrows I guess.
   
   Red Arrows = Bugger All !

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yet there is something about those red arrows.  It doesn't seem to matter if it does anything or not... it's like red buttons, you want to push it for some reason you want it. 
      
      Something about red I think.

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         badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Thing is only a few make money on here and most write about products. Which is why your phone one probably did so well but also someone once told me to keep the thing short and not too detailed so the reader has to leave yer hub with a click to gain further info.
         
         Many on here and no offence write a load of old crap that will not throw up ads that someone is going to click. Yes ok you may just be writing for the fun of it and continue enjoying yer fun but the money lies in products or a good hub on making money online or debt.
         
         I also laugh at the fact some get all pleased at being ranked on googles front page because that as well means nothing. My Johnny Depp one is on the top 3 but at 1 cent a click its hardly gonna buy me that new car. I have even noticed Health pays useless money, my top 3 earners are.
         
         Google Adsense
         
         Tens Machine
         
         Eye Massager  ( I know, wud u believe it )
         
         But its products but mainly Gadgets that people want to read more about. After they read your hub they want to know more and in all those 3 hubs they did, so there ya go, food for thought !

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    frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

    Evening BC I wasn't meaning that I'd earned, only that the traffic to those hubs had increased. I haven't even looked where the traffic came from, I just noticed the triangles.

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah I knew that mate !

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    My experience shows that revenue potential is related to the value and density of keywords.
    
    Nothing more
    
    I believe the hub FAQ's seconds this
    
    BC, frogdropping
    
    I THINK that you see all those red errors immediately after tweaking your hubs solely because the hubstats includes your views! ...same reason unpublished hubs rise in hubscore
    
    Those are your views effecting the stats programs, hence no extra earnings
    
    Google doesnt work that fast

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A keyword means damn all in a hub that has no potential in earning good adsense money, and that my friend is a fact !

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       Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

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    frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

    Sunforged yup and again, I wasn't meaning traffic from search engines, I just meant in general.
    
    And I think hp should remove the thing that catches your own viewings, like you find on wordpress. If your own viewings show up, well we could raise out traffic ourselves.
    
    If we were incredibly bored of course

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       sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You know, for some reason I just don't believe it is true that your own views are counted.
       
       I tried to look into it and clicked on my own hub a few times to see if it was in fact true and no, there was no change in the number of views.
       
       Also, with hubs that have views before they are even published, I fail to believe that your views count there as well because I have had hubs that I left open from beginning to end without saving or going back to edit them and so on... and they would have 15 or so views by the time I was done. 
       
       Okay, go try it, I just don't believe that your own page views count.

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          badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          They don't !

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             sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I would like to know why you think that...as I see far more evidence that they do and have never read anything in the hub consoles that says "your own views are not tracked, or your own views are not tracked while logged in"

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          sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          If they are not published, who else could have visited them? Hubstats are not in real time - you wont click and then see a new view - do your hub stats ever correspond with your ad impressions or analytics returns? (keeping the 40% loss inmind for adsense)

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             sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Actually, my anaylicts will show my how many times I visited my edit page and preview pages.  They do not match up to what hubpages stats show me.  I checked because I got curious about it. 
             
             Now I don't know who could view them before they are published but I have an idea that people are somehow typing in the title or something similar and finding a non published page. 
             
             Now, I am not an expert by no means but I think that because the URL is already published or "taken" that it does show up and is traceable.  So they may not have seen any content but I think that they are able to see find the page. 
             
             As for adsense impressions, I am also under the understanding that the number of impression shown on adsense is not the actual number of page views.
             
             It works something to the effect of; if you have a hub with 3 ad units on it, and you get two page view, then the actual number of page impressions that adsense generates is 6 because it's counting all the page impression for the total number of units displayed on the page.
             
             Page views and page impressions are different entities.

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             Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             HP staff visit to be able to provide the stats.
             
             Yea I also wondered about the same things Sandra , Analytics show for example different adsense revenue ( or is that the figure before they or HB take their cut , though Im sure I saw something that said ..'you earned etc...then checking in on goggle adsense a big fat zero ...

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                sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I don't quite understand what you said. 
                
                Are you talking about the $$index on your analytics?

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       sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       yes, its odd that it measures our views. But then again, i dont use any of the hubmetrics. I use analytics and adsense - even in those programs you have to blacklist your own IP to keep it from being measured.
       
       I cant even imagine having to scroll through 70 listings in my hub account to watch traffic and then to click twice on each hub tio get to detailed daily stats
       
       sorry i misunderstood you - but reading through this thread, starting with the original post i could imagine seeing a  lot of people wasting a  lot of time - playing with tags in a incorrect way and misreading their hub stats
       
       Those red arrows dont mean anything when you just spent a day, visiting and editing your own hubs - wait 24 hours , then see if there is any red arrows
       
       and move away from using hubmetrics as qucikly as possible...if your looking for keyword value use appropriate tools before creating your articles

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          frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I don't use hubmetrics for anything. That's why an earlier post That I wrote said what it did ... $$$ are not a great indicator for the potential of your hubs.
          
          And I certainly don't use hubmetrics for keywords either. I may be a frog, but I'm not completely daft

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             sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Absolutely, you would have to write the hub first to see what the metrics will show.
             
             But still, I did do a search on the top paying key words and used a couple to see how they correspond to hp metrics and according to my own personal findings, the relevant key words do correspond to the $$$ in the metrics.

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    badcompany99posted 13 years ago

    Lol wooooo 19 blue arrows today and traffic slashed in half, sometimes ya gotta wonder can ya be arsed !

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       Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       yea imagine how I feel ,might as well eat cake n watch a movie

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          badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I just did only instead of the cake a choc bar

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    badcompany99posted 13 years ago

    I just said they don't, end off !

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    badcompany99posted 13 years ago

    Its yet again though another hub that ends up ending nothing to do with the orginal Topic Title.

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       frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It is. But I guess the original OP kind of opened up a debate on the pros and cons of hubmetrics, which is what we're talking about. Well, writing anyway

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       sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sure it does.  The OP wanted to know about hp metrics.

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          badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I am hardly going to argue with you Sandra as you are one of a few members I have respect for !

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             sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Oh you just made me blush.   Ditto mate. Or mates...lol

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

    The only hub stats that I use are number of words and the description of visitors ie. google or some other search engine or hubpages.
    
    I have never seen a correlation between the estimated revenue potential and the actual revenue.
    
    I only care about two trends lines at the moment. The number of google visitors for 30 days and daily revenue. I know how much revenue my other sites produce at 10,000 google visiors per month and I'll be curious to see how hubpages compares. (I'm currently at 7,302 google visitors per 30 days.)

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    frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

    Very technical and dedicated you are Nelle. I just write and run

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Not hop ?

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    frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

    Sorry BC - my bad
    
    I just write and hop ...

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       badcompany99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       At least you are writing, I have lost the interest !

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    Some thoughts on responses:
    
    Sandra is right, in that an unpublished page does already have a reserved address
    
    you can paste teh url into a browser and the page will come up.
    IF YOU ARE SIGNED IN
    
    if you are not signed in a big "this page is no longer published" page appears
    
    The same url is not indexed by google if you enter directly into browser.
    
    it is highly unlikely that type in traffic arrives (who types hyphens into their URL bar?)
    
    also highly unlikely that it is hub staff - there are what 7 of them?
    
    Those views are ours, and hubstats does count our views
    
    Eaglekiwi:
    
    Google has no idea what cut hubpages takes - as the cut is done via impressions - so the different views should always have around 40% less in adsense
    
    also both programs have time settings - 24 hours in one program is not necesaarily configured teh same through each, and is def not the same as hubs
    
    i imagine the hubstats operates on PST time
    
    60% of the time your pubid is served the other 40% it is hubs - nothing is ever 'taken" from your cut
    
    
    Makes sense that ad impressions and page impressions would be different in adsense BUT all my hubs have 4 ad units (HP must have  a special deal) and my adsense stats are not 4x greater than my analytics views
    
    
    BC:
    
    What conversation ever stays on point? rarely does one ever get an answer or an end within a conversation -
    
    
    i think this is a great thread - the OP made a suggested recomendation based on flawed logic - the ensuing conversation can keep others from being misinformed

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    sandra rinckposted 13 years ago

    Yip, belay my last on your own page views not counting.  They do, I tried it again on a specific hub and sure enough it does count.
    
    As for the URL and views before a hub is published, I wouldn't have any idea as to why someone would think to paste an exact url into the search unless by coincidence of forum buzz, they idea went out and others tried to shore up the url. 
    
    Really it's the only thing I can think of.  This happened with the hubpages christmas catalog. Evidentally, it ended up with 57 views by the time I had saved it the first time and all I can think is that someone must have caught wind of it through talk in the forum and must have tried to get the url just after I had taken it... but anyones guess is as good as mine.
    
    In other words, when you are going to start a new hub, that place where you put in your title, and the box below where it translates with the hyphens... seems this would be the most logical explanation.

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    guidebabaposted 13 years ago

    I was experimenting since last 10 days and today I earned just $10 which is lowest since last 3 months. Since money started coming, I got more excited and started linking my own hubs with each other. The more links I added, the lesser I earned. The traffic has doubled but earnings has decreased by about 1/3.
    
    Let me edit all of my hubs and remove all the unnecessary links and see the results. I will get back to all of you with the updates.

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    564626posted 13 years ago

    Earning $10 per day is very good. But I think google is pretty suspicious of changes you make in hubs. I am not doing any changes in any of my hubs. Now i will make 15 hubs without giving any links to my any of hubs.

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