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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   http: //secondsearch.blogspot.com/
   
   A lot of hubbers stuff is one here.
   
   Pretty much every post is a hub. He has my '25 Funny Facebook Status Ideas' hub.
   
   Depressing thing is that he has submitted a 'digg' and it has more votes up then any of my diggs ever have.
   
   He has basically stolen my digg traffic.... if I ever wanted to take that option.
   
   This is a battle we will never win I guess.

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      relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      File an NOI with blogspot. They act pretty fast.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         File a No1?  Does that mean I get to lift my leg?

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            relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Notice Of Infringement
            
            That's what the complaints are actually called.

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               Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry.. I was being a smartass pup!   I will Change!

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         ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Lol, I will add it to my list... I have about 6 to do!

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How are you guys finding these?

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   KCC Big Countryposted 13 years ago

   You know the routine...file a complaint...and when we finally get tired of filing complaints...we'll be at peace with it all.
   
   Yeah, I know, I ain't there yet either. 

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   Tom Cornettposted 13 years ago

   I clicked on the site and browsed a little...my computer went nuts with  pop ups...I shut it down fast.
   
   People like these are lower than snake shit.

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   Aware1posted 13 years ago

   This is crazy how much is being seen stolen..
   
   I have a question..
   
   In viewing my stats for my hubs, I noticed they have 'digg' rates, yet I do not yet have a digg account.. Does this suggest that someone has copied my matierial and submitted it to digg??

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Digg rates? Where is this?
      
      If somebody has been Digging your hubs, then this can only be a positive thing, but where do you see these?

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         Aware1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I have just started using the Firefox browser and downloaded an Seo Firefox extention to check page ranking...
         It is called 'SEOBOOK'

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Oh right I see, well why dont you search for the URL of the relevant hubs in google. If it comes up as a digg listing then yes somebody has 'digged' your hub. If it doesnt, then they havent.... that simple

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   So were they digged or not? Somebody else bookmarking your hubs is a very positive thing....

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      Aware1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They were not 'digged'....yahooo! very nice of someone to bookmark me!

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   Aware1posted 13 years ago

   Sandra, I cannot answer for Ryan, yet I read on another thread a post from Frogdropping that you can search in quotes the first few lines of text from your hubs and search to see if your material has been stolen...

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thanks for the tip.

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         Aware1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         my pleasure...this forum is a wealth of information!

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   Paul Profittposted 13 years ago

   I'm a bit confused about what you are complaining about, (must be because its 3 o'clock in the morning in the UK) but as far as I know any Digg traffic links back to the original source, which should mean good news for you.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Before Everyone goes into Spin Mode.. I suggest we All take the time to evaluate the whole situation. In that way we then only have a minimum number of fires to put out.
   
   Firstly: Identify and list the number (& who) have had their work raped. Collectively then you will find that if 1000 of us have been affected by this then we as a group have a lot of power to do something really positive about it & seriously kick butts.
   
   In the interim: If you find a site that has your (or other's) work. Do a search on that site including their Whois details, IP Addresses etc. Then post it on a New Thread, with min comments, so we can guage a better picture.
   
   The longer it takes to action this... the more damage is done.
   
   Once we have a picture of the site information of the offenders, then we can collectively do them some damage.
   
   This is a very serious issue and more so when you actually see how many of us are involved. Don't be apathetic about it - spend a few minutes of your time as well and the effect is a well researched position for all of us.
   
   Collectively, we carry emmense weight legally and can use that weight to Nuke the problems. (Before you try to shoot me down on this; think abit more laterally than you may be used to).  We have the ability to set a protocol precedence on this.
   
   Don't give up or become despondent (or Lazy) this very positive if it is done properly.
   
   One individual carries little weight - 100 people get heard!
   
   This is my professional opinion having spent 12 years as a Professional Troubleshooter; I understand the options available to this group.... if we stick together and approach the problem from left field as opposed to the obvious.
   
   Be brave and stand strong. This issue Has Not Been Resolved Yet.
   And it is not up to HP to do anything more than they have.
   
   @Ryan your hub has 5 diggs on that blogsite - they are indian and have 29 members. Can a 100 of us beat them in a wee social headbutt?

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      relacheposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Pearldiver, you say that Maddie took what you were saying out of context, but when I read what you wrote (which I quoted above), it seems to me that you are very much calling for "mass revenge."  A protocol precedent already exists:  it's a Notice of Infringement complaint as outlined by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.  The actions you are calling for strike me as more along the lines of an online lynch mob action.

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         Star Witnessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Uh, no.  This could also be called "community organizing," .  And its absolutely true.  Of course a large group has more influence than a single person, often.  Sometimes, in some contexts, lol, it's called a class action law suit.
         
         They don't want hubbers taking the 'law' into their own hands, perhaps in a vigilante type way?  Otherwise, it seems to me that the words used towards Pearl Diver were (if not to be taken literally?  Very hard to tell) a bit of indirect snark, yeah.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm surprised you Also miss the point Ralache. This 'problem' is Far More than a mere copyright infringement (as I have rightfully stated in earlier posts) and therefore requires 'just a wee bit' of thinking outside of the box, to cap the entire problem. 
         
         I'm sorry if some are unable to think or act laterally and see no benefit in collectively using the inhouse resources that exist within some of the 'more qualified' members.
         
         Don't Play Down the Fact that a High % of HP Documents were stolen & can potentially be circulated for the next 100 years. 
         
         I'm a Businessman: What do I know? Perhaps alot more than I've put on HP's table. Don't assume I'm an idiot and I will return the same to you.
         
         This event effectively put the future of many people at risk! It also factly did damage to the future of HP. If, you don't feel that it is appropriate to mention that..... well nothing more to say, is there?

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            Len Cannonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            How is that far more than a copyright violation? That is pretty much the definition of a copyright violation.  I think maybe you just need to turn your dial down from 10 to a 6 here.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               So - publicly stating that the pages stolen from hubpages were  "in the public domain" and adding a badge to every page that was stolen saying "public domain" and stating that the author and a site moderator had personally checked to make sure this was public domain material and that anyone was free to copy and re-use the pages is no more than copyright violation?
               
               You just need to do a little research before opening your  mouth.

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                  Len Cannonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  [INSINCERE EMOTICON]

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                  mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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      chucky12posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'd just like to tell ya all that come morning their adsense accounts ill all be disabled. sniff tee hee. I'm as mean as a Dingo. Hell yes

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   Jane@CMposted 13 years ago

   I checked the site and got nailed with windows opening up one after another...not going back, I'm skeerd.

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    Lisa HWposted 13 years ago

    Jane, over the weekend I found some of my Hubs on a couple of URLs that, when I clicked on them, made my Firefox seem to freeze up and/or generallyl be weird, to the point where I ended up having to shut down the machine and start over.  One was a really, really, weird foreign site with what looked like articles on top of articles (so there was no reading anything on it).  It does make one apprehensive about clicking on those URLs that appear to have our stuff on them.
    
    Ryan, it looks to me like the blog is gone.  I just tried to go to it and ended up getting nothing but a search list.

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    Maddie Ruudposted 13 years ago

    @ryankett: Google has made it very easy to file a DMCA complaint for BlogSpot blogs, via this form: http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b … nfringment
    
    Filed one myself today, in fact.
    
    @Pearldiver:  I'm not sure what you meant by "we can collectively do them some damage," but I do NOT want to encourage stalking or mass revenge for copyright violations.  Do the right thing.  File a DMCA.

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       CLEARLY You Don't Understand what I meant Maddie; and I note you have taken my post completely out of context.
       
       I Do NOT Appreciate your intimation that I am encouraging Stalking or Mass Revenge!! How dare you so disrespectfully publicly attack me with such a statement.
       
       "Do the Right Thing" - That advice would best be directed at the parties who openly flaunted the copyright of this site's writers.
       Perhaps (as I suggested) you should consider the fact that this event represents a lot more than you would prefer to be aired.
       
       What are you looking for Maddie?  A Fall Guy? 
       
       If you Don't Need or Respect My Meager Contribution to this Community - No Problems. 
       
       I've had my face slapped a hundred times in my life for trying to help people in trouble! Your cheap shot is no different.

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    New York Lifeposted 13 years ago

    Its always a good idea to make it personal, when someone steals from you, they are taking out of your pocket.
    
    Its easy and best to first try the suggested route like dmca notifications and NOI , and this works well with reputable sites.
    
    But when a personal site steals from you, a quick who is, search the contact info, see if you can become facebook/myspace friends, find a phone number, call at 3am and explain nicely , what kind of shitstorm you will rain on them for STEALING from you.
    
    Its very effective and can be a nice change of pace.
    
    Its not our fault if they target 100's of victims, so the get 100's of responses.
    
    Dont let criminals hide behind rules, esp arbitrary ones, the internet is international, there are no real rules yet.
    
    people tend to turn to google, how quickly we begin to forget that is just another private corporation, not our own private angel.
    
    ...and this is how a new yawker gets it done!
    
    
    on the flipside dont try to hard to chase down stolen work, 98% of teh time that content would never see the light of day, unless its ranking well for your keywords its rather meaningless..pick your fights and balance your time..sometimes a phone call is quicker!

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    New York Lifeposted 13 years ago

    whats wrong with an online lynch mob? I bet it gets the job done.
    
    the biggest problem with the modern world is the failure of people to individually mobilize (or collectively) and protect their own rights
    
    In my neighborhood, we dont call the authorities for anything less than a murder, anything smaller and a couple of guys just show up at your house and 
    show you the error of your ways.
    
    eventually it gets around that certain communities strike back hard, and criminals find easier marks (if they can still walk)
    
    ..and thats how new yorkers get it done

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       mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Someone mention lynch mobs, Just getting the rope Lol:)

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    HealthTipposted 13 years ago

    Pearldiver is a good guy and deff he was taken out of context. By collectively he I am sure meant we can beat people like that by each individual doing something about it in a community effort, I in no way see mass revenge at all in his qoute !

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you Art. (My less refined Irish heritage is showing through )

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          mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          PD are u the Fuhrer at the Moment.... Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

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    New York Lifeposted 13 years ago

    maybe thats why I am so firmly on board, my degree is in community organizing.
    
    Bureaucracies dont get things done, people power does.
    
    We should systematically (and legally) destroy all found thieves, and chronicle their destruction, use all of our combined promotion powers to make it known, dugg and a well known part of the internet world.
    
    dont mess with the hubMOB!
    
    thats how a new yorker gets it done

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    soni2006posted 13 years ago

    This silly person has got my recent hub on the first page of this blogspot blog. I am really annoyed and upset and the site is not running properly and is making my computer to hang up, it is taking a lot of time to load up.

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       mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Don't go near the Site it is full of Viruses.

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    i wonder if anyone will ever steal my hubs......... i suppose it is an underhanded compliment, though extremely annoying

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    andromidaposted 13 years ago

    There are many hub theft cases I hear every month,I think if all the blogs had implemented duplicated content checking methods like hubpages has,then this hub stealing could be minimized.

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    nah it isnt full of viruses, just has an annoying level of pop-ups
    
    if you cant access that site than you need to get a better pop up blocker
    
    that site also isnt indexed here in the states, its not much of a threat,

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       mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I didn't get any pop ups, at all.. No windows opening,in fact it now seems to be just acting really slowly.

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    thats from all the scripts on the page - most of them designed to cause pop-ups
    
    if you stay on the page for 30-45 secs a full screen pop up jumps up.

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       mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah I get that, but there is something screwy, it popped over to Hubpages while I was reading it with the name Ville something on it then it was gone. Leaving the blank white square.
       Whats that about???????????

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s … h&r=37
    
    The site doesnt get much traffic above is a list if top landing pages

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    @ Len Cannon my dial is never on 10;
    (Being a fan of the Old Bull-Young Bull theory!)
    
    I believe I stated something about approaching a situation in a less than predictable manner! Perhaps you also missed that
    
    To help you with the exercise....
    Consider the event from a Legal position and with a Winning Legal strategy. (if you're up to that.).
    
    If not.... you make the coffees!
    If so; Ask yourself the revelent strategic questions beyond the obvious!
    
    I Don't Open My Mouth Unless I Know What I'm Talking About! Do You?

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    Len Cannonposted 13 years ago

    Well, I have no idea what you're saying, so you must have me there.  You are ranting about a webpage that no longer exists as far as I can tell, so I think you should calm down and stop turning it into a bigger issue than it is.

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       sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       the page certainly does exist - but the same difficulties you have getting in, effects everybody so its not likely to be sucking any traffic from anyone.
       
       many of us are more incited by the principle and are still revved up from the docstoc event.
       
       ...it seems everyone is just pointing out that you are under-informed or oblivious, so your off topic comment is universally unappreciated.
       
       but hey, its a free world, have fun with that

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    mandybeau1posted 13 years ago

    Len you seem a nice little Boy, so I will tell you Pearldiver is right, he would check his facts, besides he is a New Zealander as am I and we are always right.
    I think Mark has also told you, and he is pretty much the Doyen of these pages.

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    Len Cannonposted 13 years ago

    I don't know what his facts are because the page does not exist.  My main "fact" is that several of you are being very defensive and insulting anyone who happens to think a calmer approach is better.  You've both been very rude.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       LOL
       
       Of course you think a calmer approach is better. You did not have hundreds of hours of your work stolen and posted at another site with the label "Please feel free to copy and reuse this article," on it.
       
       Not the site we are currently discussing.
       
       And I think we all reacted to the condescending way you stared what you stated rather than what you said.

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       mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Everyone that knows me knows I haven't got a rude offensive bone in my body and that is why  I am hurt by your remarks. I am blubbing now like a big kid, Bud just to show how nice I am I have fanned you.

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well I'm Not Blubbing and Certainly Not Ranting!
       
       If you feel that I'm Talking too loud; then it may be solely that I'm trying to speak to a deaf person without the abilty to sign or lipread!
       Most would give up on them - I'd rather teach them to sign.... using a limited amount of fingers!
       
       Perhaps where you come from 'Ranting' is not a rude remark?
       Kindly don't exclude yourself from the rudeness stakes prematurely.
       
       You are completely correct on the fact that your don't understand. It's not that hard (as Mark has pointed out).
       
       Irrespective of the current status of those sites... some of us have (thankfully) enough commonsense to know that it doesn't end there.
       
       Thousands of hours have been spent collectively and the works represent a high percentage of the total of HP's 'stock.'  It's been copied and no doubt stored for later dissemination.
       
       What can be done about that?  A Hell of a lot! Wanna know how? Maybe I'll Write a Book for the Deaf!

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    frogdroppingposted 13 years ago

    Len - the OP started the thread as a means of informing others he'd found another C&P pillock.
    
    Pearl Diver was suggestion that those affected can either fight singularly and maybe have an effect to some degree. Or fight as a collective which has the potential to effect a stronger result regarding online copy theft. There will always be strength in numbers. I dont see anything he wrote as inciting some kind of online riot.
    
    I believe his exact words were 'we carry immense weight legally'.
    
    Note he used the word 'legally'.

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    speaking of legally, I would like to see hubpages use a little legal clout in tracking down the perpetrator of the past event.
    
    The user shift(a-q) could have used a trackable IP, 90% likely to have real info connected to the pub-id.
    
    That was by no means a small problem that is solved simply by stopping teh user accounts and never saying another word to the hub community about it.
    
    What precautions have been made to stop automated software from scraping teh site? (yes, it can be done - limits on requests from one IP in a set time period helps)
    
    Do they have a legal team, are they treating an Attack of this scale with the proper respect? What is the current state of affairs. Are they pursuing or cooperating with Docstoc to hunt down the actual person, has an actual complaint with appropriate regulatory agencies been made?

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Thank You Josh!
    
    And thanks FD, Mark, Mandy and to the other like minded on this.
    
    The comments I make are Not about Attacking HP, our writers or admin staff.  However, a more pro-active approach can easily quadruple the size and revenue of this site & writers; if
    a) the opportunity is identified and
    b) it is acted upon injunction with legal clout.
    
    From a Strategic perspective; Lead from the front and turn a disadvantage into advantage. (Enough cryptic clues?)

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       frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I like that PD. Instead of allowing barriers to grow stronger, seek solutions. It prevents apathy.

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          Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Yep That's one of the key benefits. Thanks FD

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    Sufidreamerposted 13 years ago

    With you on that one, PD - the strength of this community is that it is built upon a mix of excellent writers and SEO experts. Imagine the potential of marrying the heavyweight writers, like Pam Grundy, Paraglider or McGurk, with expert SEO folks such as Sunforged and Knowles.
    
    If a site keeps on allowing content thieves to prosper, a few hundred carefully targeted and optimised Hubs could generate a lot of bad publicity. No business wants that and will soon change their practices - this is not a witch-hunt or harassment, but a community of writers/ethical marketers fighting back.
    
    Ultimately, these document sharing sites could have the same effect upon writers as P2P had on music artists - this is not a hysterical overreaction or mob-mentality, but making sure that we are ahead of the curve.
    
    The power of community

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       soni2006posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, it is time for us to use the power of community in the right direction. I am with everyone on this.

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Sufi..... Thanks mate... You got it in One

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    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    I had a similar problem with weebly.com  a few months back.
    I found them while browsing my adsense account taking 50% ,geeze you can imagine if I earned 3-4c ,why I made zilch.( I made nothing for 4 weeks)..
    Mark was very helpful then helping me sort through what the codes meant ,and I disabled them from my 'authenticated sites'.
    
    I did sign up with them ages ago, never wrote anything and forgot all about them.
    I guess as soon as I started writing for Hubpages ,they figured jump on the gravy boat train too!
    Wierd for this newbie to figure, but I disabled them ,just irkes me they appeared on my adsense account at all.
    
    ( Least now Im finally earning something , anything from 1c to 80c) daily , yipeeeeeee

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I Just got an email from Adsense asking me to comment on their performance Shall I mention you EK?

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          Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          please do ,like where shall I send my resume.
          In for a penny , in for a pound eh

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    deartfuldodgerposted 13 years ago

    Sufi - has said it well, this is a community that includes lots of people who know how to make things hit the front page and would if mobilized in a cohesive way.
    
    New York life, said something similar in the beginnings of this thread, this is a group that can really control the SERPs when antagonized, certain sites  that frequently harbor copyright thieves can be clearly exposed for that through strong and fair reporting combined with a massive network of keyword researchers and backlink creators
    
    hell, one article about docstocs debacle (just as an example) - dugg, by each person who commented in the related threads, would have taken first page for sure - such a system could be mobilized easily w/ minimal effort of each individual

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    ryankettposted 13 years ago

    I never thought that it would be me saying this, but bleeding hell..... calm down girls and boys. If it makes you lot feel any better, his blog is way way down in the search engine listings for most keywords..... just wanted to make people aware
    
    @ Maddie, of course I am going to file a DMCA.... but I can only file one for my specific hub, I posted the link so that others could find their content and do the same. Didn't know that it was going to all kick off again!

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       Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Sure, Ryan - I also tend to ignore single crappy blogs.
       
       The issue that PD is talking about is the 'Writing' P2P sites - docstoc, flixya and scribd. The potential for damage through those sites is immense - we are not just talking about a little lost adsense; the Public Domain note was very worrying.
       
       Musicians were caught out by P2P - we can learn from their mistakes and limit damage before it happens. If this continues to happen, we can pressure these companies into strengthening their duplication protocols.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Cheers for finding that site Ryan... This has continued to become a discussion on collectively covering writer's butts and using the resources to ensure that our works are secured in future. Huge potential and huge IT presence.
    
    @ deartfuldodger quite right - explore that to the next level.

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    Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

    Hahaha What took you so long
    
    You have my email address?

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    deartfuldodgerposted 13 years ago

    PD I am legion, ill finish my email today sent to me about a similar collab thought ???

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       Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes you Are!! I Conceed!

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