I believe on the value of confidentiality of online writers. Hubpages do provide that leeway to all hubbers to decide the kind of profile pictures to post. However, no offense to anybody but I just felt disgusted to see a picture of a half—naked body in our forum. I am not sure if there are still others with similar pictures. I agree that it may drive enough traffic to the individual’s hubpage. On the otherhand, it would be best to get enough traffic because the articles or hubs published are worth reading.
In lieu of this, I would like to recommend that Hubpages would still allows members to post their preferred profile pictures BUT with certain limitations. I decided to propose this in my intent to protect this website and the rest of the hubbers. Here are some reasons for this recommendation:
1. Hubpages is an organization of online writers. The image of any publishing website can contribute to its success. 2. All hubbers contribute to the website image of Hubpages. Thus, hubbers are part of the Hubpages success. 3. All write-ups or hubs of all hubbers reflect the kind of an online publishing is for Hubpages. 4. Any indecent profile picture can possibly have a negative effect on the image of Hubpages. 5. A negative image of Hubpages affects all hubbers. 6. There is a bigger risk that readers will doubt if this website of having a sexual indecorous picture is recommendable to their teens. 7. There is a possibility that readers or prospective writers will have some hesitation if Hubpages is the best place to write in the web.
To All Hubpages Management & Staff, I am hoping for your kind consideration to look into this matter.
To my fellow Hubbers, I would greatly appreciate any comments, views, opinions, or disagreement regarding my proposed recommendation. I am sure that this would help Hubpages in considering this concern to come up with a good decision.
Thanks for sharing your views. The only problem I have is who will decided what is appropriate? Often it is subjective, especially in profile pics like Tantrum's for example. That pic is no worse then commercials I've seen on prime time TV for women's underwear! In fact I've seem much worse. What about those commercials for the vibrating mini, or for Viagra?
Personally I think it's best to leave such decisions up to those using the site. Pressure from peer groups is pretty effective at determining what is acceptable.
Read a bit and I see you are referring to the lovely Tantrum. I've been here for 7 months and Tantrum has never used such a picture. She used it for a reason - just for a few days. (see thread - why this pic)
I personally think it's the Writing that matters. Most people know by now, that the photo of a person doesn't necessarily mean it's them and there are many more on the Website.
Agreed. In order to uphold a certain standard and integrity of HubPages it would be a welcome idea if the powers that be would advocate more modest and creative pictures rather than to openly allow pictures designed to get the attention of readers' lurid appetites rather than a reader's genuine curiosity of Hub contents. HubPages is a great place to express thoughts in the form of words.
Perhaps they could categorize pictures. They could allow all pictures but if they are in a specific category it would take a reader an extra step to view the picture, not the hub content - just the picture.
On the other side of the coin, if they were to change a policy on avatars, shouldn't the policy be brought over into the hubs of woman who are showing far more than Tantrum? If my son were to come up to the computer right now, I wouldn't care if he saw Tantrum's photo, however, there are quite a few photo hubs that I wouldn't want him to see.
Perhaps so. I am not shouting REPENTANCE or anything but it does really come down to exactly what standard of excellence and frame of mind does HP want to bring to the site. There is eventual danger in "free for alls". Either way it is an interesting topic to consider.
I'm sorry but I don't understand some of what you wrote. I believe we need to live and let live. I believe that before we worry about other people we need to look to ourselves. For example, I think we all need to be able to make sure our writing makes total sense before we worry about anything else . . . especially if it concerns someone else. Let the paid, trained professionals worry about other people's pictures. At least I THINK that's your concern. At some points it's hard to tell.
or me? or the sexy aunties? or the sexy sweaty armpits, or... there ARE limits...no nipples...blah blah..and what teens? OK, first of all, the rules are that you have to be 18..legal adult..to join. If your worried about what your kid might see on HUBPAGES...perhaps you shouldn't be letting them use the INTERNET at all? If your child is too young to see a person in a swimsuit, or a towel, or a skirt, (dont go to the beach) it is your responsabality as a parent to keep them from said offensive material, not hubpages, nor the users.
lmfao omg this is tooooo funny. this thread totally made my day. oh, and at Poppa..thanks for the link. (so, before proofreading..that said kink..ahhahhaha) at first when you said commercial, I thought you meant on TV. just the same..I may be changing my christmas wish list....
Shhhh....I don't like the weird, white, laying-down, face (the picture the OP has here) that looks like someone just drowned in the bathtub. My first reaction to that picture was, "Oh, a dead person."
In all seriousness, I don't think HubPages should have rules (beyond what they already do) about pictures. Our individual Hubs are found through searches. If we send anyone to our own profile it's up to us to decide if we want a business-like look, a "creative" look, etc. (In my case, a boring look). Although I see the forums (and the site) as a community; I have to say I don't see all of us Hubbers as "one, big, team". I see HubPages as a site that acts a vehicle for each individual's choice of writing/expression. Besides, if we all worked at, say, IBM or Microsoft, we'd all have our cubicles decorated differently, and we'd all have our own style.
Like Marissa, I understand the idea about a professional image; but as she said, not everyone here is a professional writer, and I'm not sure HubPages would offer the range of writing it does if everyone were a professional web-article writer and wrote nothing but "yet one more 400-word article about Mp3 players".
HubPages is doing pretty well, and a lot of people are earning pretty well on here; so they must be doing something right.
Yes, I was referring to you and there are still other hubbers with similar profile pictures. As I have mentioned, it would be Hubpages who will decide on this matter. If there are hubbers who agrees or disagrees with this recommendation, I respect their views. If you think that what you are doing is right, I also respect that. BUT I know that I am also entitled to my own views. I hope that you and the other hubbers who believe in you would also respect it.
------------------------------------------------- If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't be so defensive.
To All Hubbers - As I have mentioned in my recommendation, I greatly appreciate your comments, views, opinions, and disagreements regarding my recommendation. This is not an act of disrespect to anybody.
It would be Hubpages who will make the final decision.
As much as I've seen on HP yet, some avatars make you just ... raise your eyebrows and think - does this person see him/herself in the mirror? But it doesn't bother me at all. I do not support any side of this argument. I do what I want, post what I want and where I want. Whilst doing this I appreciate that others might see the world from a different angle, and maybe my way is shocking to someone else. Like - I'm wearing real fur in my avatar now; that may disturb some people, but it's their views.
Again, this is what makes HP vibrant and interesting - freedom of choice.
By the way, people who use celebrity photos as their avatars should be banned I think.
In between all the religious debates and these new rules for profile pics, HP might turn into one hell of a dull place! Please, we're all adults here (who can handle sexy avatars!)...so leave us some breathing room at least!
You are quite right. Hubpages is a great site but if backwards thinking starts taking over, then maybe you might see a few hubbers backwards stepping into google and taking their business to one of the many other sites than carry on similar services. There is a terms of service already and if you don't like it, lump it. A woman in lingere, that is a problem?
Get travel agents to ban holiday makers bringing bikinis on holiday as well. Plus those disgusting people that only wear swimming costumes at the local bathes, what a disgusting lil world we live in, all that flesh on display, shud be all covered up, I loves a good cover up
"Again, this is what makes HP vibrant and interesting - freedom of choice"
I agree with you there Black Lilly I agree 100%. I love that others can choose what pictures they want. I love seeing all of the pictures people post, whether they are fake, nature, or the actual person
A hubbers avatar should be as unique as the individual. If the pic is sexy that's ok. Vulgar not ok ( with me anyway ) And if I don't like looking at the avatar ( for wahtever reason) then I just don't read or particiapte in the thread.
TAHTS SOOOO FUNNY!!!! I mean, the whole reason she HAS this pic up, is becuase people DO judge by the cover, but in reverse..."how many people will fan me..NOT based on my work, but based on my pic?" SO here we go with the flip side, how many people will get pissed off based on my pic? Man, people are crazy...
PDH, I have often thought this but never written it down; you are by far the most amazing christian I have ever met (virtually met in this case). You are from what I have noticed anyway, so indifferent to politics. I love it. Totally not me, but I love it. Good on you
I think having a bit of fun with some personal photos has provided a pleasant change to the community.
I have only been here 5 weeks but I am on here almost everyday and nearly all day. The names coming up on this thread are much the same profile, these are daily hubbers and major contributors to the forums and hub articles. Not to my suprise, there is not much support for the other side, that being a police state over avatars. Hubpages staff will support their community, and first will come those whom provide most for that community and hold it together. These photos are not against any law, no different from any other public media, not against TOS and thus far, not without support from the majority, based on the ratio of opinion. I am not worried, not shocked but a little irritated.... not worried.
you'll get a ton of fans who never read a single hub, some random emails about ..hey cutie..I saw you on hubpages..and a bunch of pissed of self righteous feminists who dont want you to "lower yourself" begging for you to make them feel less dumpy by changing your immoral avitar...... plus all of us who already love you will laugh and have your back!!
If a person who is pessimistic about life is usually someone who has a poor outlook about himself. Sometimes we cover up our lack of self-confidence by being too aggressive and arrogant. We boast too much to be recognized by others. Our uncertainty contributes to our self-centeredness that eventually leads to a fight. Being a self-centered person, we tend to become selfish and self-righteous. We tend not to listen to other people’s ideas. Our listening ability becomes inferior. So we tend to fight for what we believe is right.
My opinion, seeing it was asked for by the starter of this thread, is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a semi-naked avatar. I think the girls that have those avatars, and there are several, have just done it for a laugh or to prove a point or whatever reason. Maybe they are camera shy! But I have absolutely no issues with it. Good on them! I think those who object might have a problem.
Last time I checked this is still a free country. You have every right to express your feelings, doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with them. I have no problem with anyones avatar as long as it isn't pornographic, which is NOT allowed on hubpages. I do once in awhile have family members read these, and wouldn't want them offended with that either.
It's ok to disagree that's what makes this such a great country!
If you're that offended by certain avatar pictures, maybe you should take a break from the forums or just move on from hubpages. I would hate to see you go but it might be for the best, rather than you getting all upset over this issue.
I just read this entire thread because I wanted to know what the consensus would be. Well, I like that we don't seem to want to be censored too much here - so glad I will probably not be banned for the kind of silly avatar I've been posting sometimes for fun, and the kind of silly conversations we get into. But I don't see why there would be a problem - outsiders don't see the forums which is where we really talk some jive - and the hubs get viewed by HubPages before they are published. If I had a problem with sexiness I would not be on HubPages - period.! so - I agree with youses. It is however, distracting (not such a bad thing, actually, being distracted) to see all the lovely bodies - I deal with it!
Good grief - more hullaballoo. To the OP - I understand you have your point of view (and I even understand that too) but I honestly wouldn't worry too much about other hubber's avatars. Or rather - tantrums.
Her avatar is her choice and is a great expression of 'this is me'.
And as you're worried about pictures that appear to give the 'wrong impression', I'd bugger off to the hundreds (or thousands) of picture hubs and take a butchers.
But before you do, make sure you're prepared for some of what you'll find. Tantrum's avatar is positively virginal next to some of them. You have been warned
@ XTASIS - I don't know ... some folks don't like bare flesh. My mother would have a mad ig at a picture such as yours. She's some kind of puritan. She once called me a 'haridan' when she saw a pair of my knickers on the washing line. They had a little lacy edging. She suggested I wore 'proper knickers'. Proper knickers meant the passion killer type - that also kept your armpits warm
@ lyric - my avatar is decorated instead of a tree. I don't have one to bling up this year, so I blinged up me instead
Do you think that profile pictures are subject to ethnicity, gender and age bias?I for example have my bias towards writers with a profile picture that shows that they are a bit older - I just believe that ultimately lifetime equals experience that can only be beneficial for writing hubs... I...
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