Wikipedia article on HubPages

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  1. Jason Menayan profile image60
    Jason Menayanposted 10 years ago

    Hi all,

    We'd like to see if there is any interest among Hubbers to create a Wikipedia article on HubPages. We can not author the article on our own, as that presents a conflict of interest according to Wikipedia's rules, nor can we compensate any of you to write anything, since that would be another conflict of interest. You would have to do so completely voluntarily. But it could be a fun project, and would only help lift HubPages's prominence on the Web.

    I had created a basic article back at the end of 2006 but it was deleted after discussion, primarily due to the fact that the site wasn't as well-established back then (didn't meet their "Notability" requirements):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: … n/HubPages

    Here are a few items that can be used to establish notability, and should probably be included in the Wikipedia article to avoid making it a candidate for deletion:
    - First Website to use the Google AdSense API for revenue-sharing with writers
    - Top 400 Websites in the world (according to Quantcast: http://www.quantcast.com/hubpages.com)
    - Writeups in Techcrunch (including YieldBuild): http://www.techcrunch.com/?s=hubpages
    - Mashable: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n … able%2ecom
    - YieldBuild: premier ad format optimization service for contextual ads like AdSense (http://yieldbuild.com)

    If it seems overwhelming, anyone always start a "stub" and then invite members of the community to add details, stats, etc. In fact, that might be the best approach in order to make it look like a collaborative project.

    Suggestions:
    - Don't put in any links with referral trackers!
    - Avoid "pitchy" language. The language should be very objective-sounding and unbiased.

    Interested? - Here's a guide from Wikipedia on how to start a new Wikipedia page:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page

    Feel free to organize how you'd like to proceed in this Forum thread. If there are pieces of data that you need from us, feel free to leave a request here and I'll try to help out.

  2. stephhicks68 profile image88
    stephhicks68posted 10 years ago

    I'm not volunteering to start - just to say that this would be great PR for HubPages!  Cool!

  3. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    I'm on it.

  4. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    It's already up for speedy deletion which I'm contesting.  The URL to hubpages is blacklisted which put me on the radar.  I wish I had known.

  5. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    Is there a source for the first site to use Google AdSense API to share revenue with writers?  I don't have time to find it right now, but I could really use it.

  6. Jason Menayan profile image60
    Jason Menayanposted 10 years ago

    Fantastic, mroconnell! Thank you for taking the first stab at this. I did not know the hubpages.com URL was blacklisted - this is probably due to the fact that too many spammers were trying to hack links to their Hubs on related Wikipedia entries.

    Here's a link to the Google AdSense API piece - we were, in fact, selected for an official case study:
    http://code.google.com/apis/adsense/hubpages.html

  7. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    I added that Google Case Study.  I think that goes a long way to proving importance and notability (which are different; importance is pretty nebulous).

  8. Maddie Ruud profile image77
    Maddie Ruudposted 10 years ago

    Someone else can go in and delete that "speedy deletion" notice, as long as it's someone other than the original author.  Another resource for the "History" section mroconnell started:

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Story_of_HubPag … cisco_Days

    Including the SFGate article Paul cites describing a trend of "live-in startups," of which HP was one:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c … ;type=tech

    Another good TechCrunch article:

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/02/07/hu … r-squidoo/

  9. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    Thanks for those links.  Good news, everybody.  Sephiroth BCR came through and removed the speedy deletion (He's got a lot more credibility than just any random hubber removing the deletion).

    I guess we have to get the site unblacklisted, but at least we've got a page now!

  10. Misha profile image72
    Mishaposted 10 years ago

    Thanks Mroconnell,

    You are doing very important thing for our community, and we appreciate it smile

  11. Ralph Deeds profile image66
    Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago
    1. mroconnell profile image70
      mroconnellposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      How is this relevant?  I mean, it's about the people who run wikipedia being fallible.  Are you suggesting we avoid wikipedia?  Or what?

      What about the other articles?

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
        Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        My only thought was that the more we know about Wikipedia the better we will be able to deal with any obstacles to having a good entry for HubPages.

        1. mroconnell profile image70
          mroconnellposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Oh. Thanks! 

          Here are some more, relevant links:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SD
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blacklist

          I don't see us on the blacklist, so maybe we were auto-removed.  I don't want to try readding it until I'm sure since that might re-flag the speedy deletion.

          If anybody wants to make changes now that the article's a bit more than a stub, please do!  The strength of wikipedia is in the ability for open participation.

          I'll get to that history stuff if nobody else does.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
            Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Here's a very interesting article on Wikipedia. It's actually the one I was searching for when I linked the other articles. I'm sure you'll find it very interesting. Keep up the great work! HubPages should have had a wikipedia entry a long time ago.

            http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21131

          2. pauldeeds profile imageSTAFF
            pauldeedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            We do appear on the blacklist, just search in this document for 'hubpages' and you'll see it.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist

            I'm not sure what the procedure is to get removed.  It will truly be difficult for us to ensure that nobody abuses the wikipedia trust in the future by linking to hubpages in ways contrary to their rules.  All we can really do is ask.

            Great work on this though, mroconnell.  We appreciate it.

  12. DJ Funktual profile image78
    DJ Funktualposted 10 years ago

    Go mroconnell go!   

    I enjoyed answering your hub request once before and if there is anything else you ever want a musical HUB for just ask.  YOU ARE AWESOME and on a roll.  Just thought you'd like a little reward for your efforts. 

    mroconnell's hub is Best Fictional Band Ever fyi.

    HUBPAGES!  wOO hOO!

    If you haven't joined mroconnell's fanclub yet, now would be a great time!

    1. Violette DeSantis profile image59
      Violette DeSantisposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, I so did join his fan club the other day!  He got me back into hubbing with one of his excellent requests.  He is what hubbing is all about! (is hubbing a word?)

  13. Peter M. Lopez profile image85
    Peter M. Lopezposted 10 years ago

    Nice job, mroconnell.  You're off to an excellent start.  Much appreciated.

  14. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    I added hubpages.com to the blacklist's proposed removals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_ … d_removals

    We'll see where that goes.  Thanks for all the link and encouragement, everybody.

    Have there been policy changes since the original blacklisting that would help reassure the wikipedia community that there will be less abuse than before?  Perhaps the notion that people actively remove overly promotional hubs, pornographic hubs, etc. is enough of a change in policy to differentiate us from the last time hubpages got listed.  Also, anything differentiating your anti-spam standards from Squidoo (who are currently blacklisted as well) might help.

    1. pauldeeds profile imageSTAFF
      pauldeedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We have a dedicated moderator now.   We would also be willing to take action against the accounts of known wikipedia abusers on HubPages, provided that we can positively identify them.

  15. Jason Menayan profile image60
    Jason Menayanposted 10 years ago

    This is excellent stuff!

    We can definitely continue to add to the Wiki on HubPages as time goes on - it doesn't need to be completed immediately. It might be good to have someone other than mroconnell insert stuff, too, to not have all the activity come from the same user/IP.

    Someone might want to insert something with this information (not necessarily verbatim) into the line after the initial $2 million funding from HW.

    * HubPages, and its sister service YieldBuild (an online ad optimization service) got a second round of VC funding from Storm Ventures and Hummer Winblad of $6 million:
    http://venturebeat.com/2008/03/03/ad-op … mpetitive/

  16. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    Update: Hubs are still blacklisted but they have white listed the main site and it has been added to the article.  If you ever want to cite a hub on wikipedia or include it with th external links you can petition specifically for that hub to be whitelisted which they think is a better way of ensuring only good, verifiable, reliable hubs get linked to.

    Sounds fair.

  17. darkside profile image82
    darksideposted 10 years ago

    Excellent work mroconnell.

  18. stephhicks68 profile image88
    stephhicks68posted 10 years ago

    Thanks for doing all this work!  This is really great!

  19. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 10 years ago

    This article on wikipedia about hubpages is nice and concise.  Thanks for making it!

  20. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    Thanks again, everybody.  I want to stress that the cool part of wikipedia is that EVERYBODY can participate.  Please feel free to add content, especially if you already have a wikipedia account.

    Especially during the next couple of days.  I'll be preparing for a trip and then traveling, so I won't really be editing this article for a few days unless I get a sudden bout of inspiration.  I'll see you all in a few days.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
      Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Great job. Have a good trip!

    2. compu-smart profile image61
      compu-smartposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Wow!! Firstly let me say i think this is such exciting news that Hubpages is going to be a wiki hopefully soon.It's about time!!. I personally would love to participate if i was not so busy!!

      mroconnell..I, and i know everyone here at hubpages is right behind you ..You really seem to know what your doing and from your profile your a "geeky kid"..well,  i always new that geek was the new sheek! Good job! ill be watching the progress and as you mentioned, everyone and anyone can help..
      Enjoy your trip;)

  21. Maddie Ruud profile image77
    Maddie Ruudposted 10 years ago

    If someone wants to jump in and add a company box for us (see Squidoo's wiki page for an example, I've made it super-simple for you below.  Just copy the script below and paste it at the top of the edit page for our wiki entry.



    Just a note: I'm not sure what the procedure is to get a URL whitelisted, but if someone could do that for the URL hubpages.com, that would be much preferable to what's already been taken off the blacklist, which is www.hubpages.com/index.php.  If you're the one pasting this in, and you're worried about getting in trouble and don't want to deal with the blacklist/whitelist deal, just use the above that we're sure is kosher until someone else can come in and petition to have hubpages.com itself permanently okayed.

  22. darkside profile image82
    darksideposted 10 years ago

    Logo-squidoo18.gif???

    1. darkside profile image82
      darksideposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Fixed.

      1. Maddie Ruud profile image77
        Maddie Ruudposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Oops, my bad.  I copied the script from the Squidoo page and neglected to change that.  Thanks for taking care of it.

        1. darkside profile image82
          darksideposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          It was just after 9am Sunday morning here and it's not a good time to go 'wtf?".

          I quickly scrambled for my hubpages folder which has a bunch of different logo sizes. It felt like the whole world was going to come crashing down if I didn't fix it! big_smile

          The company box makes the page look a lot tidier now. Thanks for making it as easy as a quick copy and paste.

  23. darkside profile image82
    darksideposted 10 years ago

    It'd probably good idea to warn people now that the wiki entry for HubPages is not there so people can link to their HubPages. Or to slip their tracker into the External Link URL.

  24. mroconnell profile image70
    mroconnellposted 10 years ago

    Hey official HubPages people,

    I would like to start a page for YieldBuild.  If you could help me out with researching articles or anything like that Google Case Study (that is very legitimate and I would have never found it on my own), let me know.  If there is a clear argument for notability and importance, I can comfortably start a wiki for yieldbuild and it can grow synergistically with the hubpages articles.

    I have everything on the press page of yieldbuild so I'm asking if there's anything you haven't listed there.

  25. Jason Menayan profile image60
    Jason Menayanposted 10 years ago

    Ryan,

    We might want to hold off on this.

    The reason is that YieldBuild doesn't have the same level of notability, and an immediate, separate entry on it right after HubPages went up might raise some red flags that both were engineered by us as a marketing ploy.

    It might jeopardize the HubPages entry, too.

    Let's hold off until YieldBuild until we make another "notable" announcement and open up to public beta.

    Thank you, Ryan, though - your first effort for HubPages was top-notch, and we'd be honored if you would do the same when the time is right for YieldBuild.

    1. mroconnell profile image70
      mroconnellposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I hear ya.  Let me know when evidence of notability drops like a really big public client or a large-scale media assault.  In the meantime, I probably won't include it in the HubPages article either as was earlier suggested (the exact phrasing was something like "its sister page YieldBuild").  Rock on.

      More edits to the primary HubPages article to come.

  26. Maddie Ruud profile image77
    Maddie Ruudposted 10 years ago

    Does anyone want to add a link to HubPages' wiki article to Squidoo's, under "See Also" where Google Knol is listed?

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