Anyone in the mood for a little argument.
- china manposted 14 years ago
0NO - push off !
- china manposted 14 years ago0
Hmm. I'll kick in a little toward the arguing before I get busy doing something else....
I don't know about what on Earth must have been going on with that sexual harassment thing; but as far as women taking over goes, there are NO laws that protect women from the kind of crap they live with just about every day of their life - not just crap from men but from other women.
Try living life without being able to tell it like it is and be called the "b" word if your tone isn't what someone else thinks it ought to be, or else thought of as whining if you try to use a tone that doesn't make you sound like a "b". In other words, if you don't shut up and keep your thoughts to yourself you can't win - but if you do shut up and be the silent little lady the whole world seems to think you ought to be, you lose too.
Try living life where someone asks you something. You tell them the correct answer, and then they ask a man who gives them the incorrect answer but they listen to him because he's a man.
Try living life as a young woman who deals not only with "young woman" issues, but with a world of people who don't respect you because you're younger than they are. But, then try living a life as a middle-aged woman in a world of young women who think you don't know what you're talking about because you're "old", men who think you don't know what you're talking about because you're a woman, older women who don't think you know what you're talking about because you're "young", and a whole bunch of other people who who think you're a kid because they're taller than you are, louder than you are, and generally more intimidating looking/sounding than you are.
Try living with having people call other people of your sex "female" (like animals) and "girls", rather than "women".
Try working in a workforce where you're told you should make your natural voice lower if you want anyone to take you seriously. Try having people who don't understand you automatically assume your sound reasoning is coming "from emotions", rather than from reasoning and logic (or else from PMS or some other hormone-related thing that has nothing to do with the matter).
Try being looked down on by other women who think you shouldn't wear make-up or skirts because they see it as "male oppression", but then try to be hated if you show signs of expecting to be treated/respected equally to men (whether or not you wear make-up, flannel shirts, or pink sundresses).
Try having people assume it's your job to pick up after them, and try having people think you're not doing your job if you don't.
Try being one of the millions and millions of women that feminism has never really seemed to know exist, because if you're not willing to renounce your own femininity you "can't possibly be a feminist" at all. Try living with the message that you need to give up your own femininity and be a "fake man" because "that's the only thing worthy of respect".
Try living your life in a world full of so much misogyny it can seem as if nobody else even knows it's out there, because people are either men, "fake-men" women, or "anti-feminist" women who are happy to be less than equal (and therefore not bring out the misogyny that shows up when women expect to true to their own sex and still be seen as equals).
Try living in a world that now seems to want to eliminate the concept that mothers and children have a special bond that doesn't exist between anyone else.
Oh - I have one that might get some people kicking in: How about being the sex that has the babies and may like to just have the baby without a lot of fanfare but has to let fathers in the delivery room because we all have to pretend that they're "equally involved" in the delivery. They aren't! They're equally involved at conception, and they ought to be equally involved once the baby is born, but let's stop taking yet one more thing away from women by figuring out ways to pretend they're "equally involved" when it comes to delivery.
Oh - and here's another one: Men need to grow up and be men when it comes to the fact that women can get abortions without getting their consent. Here's the reality: It's stinko that they don't have a say, but it's also stinko that women are the ones who have to decide to keep a pregnancy or else end because they're the ones who have to deal with it. Why don't men grow up, know that the no-consent thing is one of the stinko parts of being a guy - and make good and sure they nobody gets pregnant before they're married (and that they make good and sure they marry someone they can, at least trust, before they even think about getting married).
OK - I've made my contribution to the argument. Hopefully, someone can pick it up from here... (Oops - maybe I don't really know how to "play fight"....
)Aya, I think it's the "Cinderella/Step-Sister syndrome", but I once read a more scientific explanation related to the differences in male and female sexuality. It was about how men's sexuality is about being the Alpha male (and being showy and colorful and eye-catching) and female sexuality if about catching the eye of the Alpha male. It was noted that in a yard full of hens, if one hen stands out by being different the rest of them may try to peck her to death.
That, I figure, explains the thing about the whole Cinderella-Step-sister/Snow White/Evil Queen and any number of other stories.
And that leads me to another point that makes my head feel like it's going to explode - and that's the bill-of-goods young women have, over the last years, been sold about female sexuality being "just like male sexuality". Women aren't even allowed to have their own sexuality any more! We're expected to be like men in that area too now, and if we're not "we must have some hang-up".
Oh god - you don't DO YOU !!!!! you should just go make the tea and sandwiches and stop trying to like a man !
- darn, Im no good at this...I was thinking about how nice a cucumber sandwich and some tea would be....I only played softball once on my husbands team becuase it was co-ed and they were going to be disqualifed because there is some stupid rule about how a team is unfair if they don't have three girls...I guess to protect the rights of girls to play softball. Only no girls wanted to play becuase they always just get yelled at for throwing like a girl, but all the guys were so upset that they were about to be disqualified. So I joined the sutpid team, after telling them I have no athletic abillity at all...and it was pouring rain and I didn't know I was going to be on the team so I was wearing flip flops and I had to take them off becuase I kept falling, so I played the game in my bare feet and every one got mad at me becuase I couldnt catch the bal...we lost. It was deemed my fualt, not the men, even though they had each consumed between 4 and 6 beers each, during the game...and when we got home I still had to cook dinner.
But Im sure I was jsut grumpy because of PMS......
- oops..I mean....shut up and hold the door for me....
Do you notice it is always the girls bitching and moaning? How hard could having a baby be? They should try walking around with these things between our legs. Talk about hard to control yourself some times. Testosterone is a powerful thing. I say they are lucky we let them have as much as they have now.
Bring back the good old days where they just had to sit there looking pretty and do as they were told.Thank g*d your here - don't leave me - pleeeeease !
Men always have to make it all about them, don't they..... All about them and that particular part of the anatomy. I had a friend who used to say, "You can never be sick alone." Whatever you have, men have some "really bad" version of it. When men get colds it's never a "regular cold". It's always "something else". When you tell a husband his child is sick the first thing he says is, "I hope I don't get it."
Oh - I'm happy not to be burdened with the testosterone that makes controlling oneself as difficult at is appears to be for a lot of men. It's great to have the luxury of letting my mind and (contrary to what a lot of people seem to think about women) reasoning and logic run the show.I think you may have been given a false impression there, because whenever I get a cold, it is not some normal women and children type of cold. When I get them they are almost unbearable.
The simple fact is - we men are required to get the full strength, almost-killer colds, and then the watered down version is passed on to the women and children.
You should be grateful we protect you in this fashion. Instead - bitch, bitch bitch..................
RedSonja, if I'd had my way (but, nooooo...., of course) I would have liked to have just gone somewhere and had my babies by myself. (Kind of the way animals do, I guess - so maybe it's not all that weird of me.) Instead, the world has everyone thinking we have to have the fathers in the room to be "supportive" and be "coaches" (that one's a big joke, as far as I'm concerned). What decent, caring, woman would ever request that the father of her baby not be there, so as a result "we all have to pretend" that it's "important" he be there - and as a result, we can't even have a couple of measly childbirths without having them take that away from us.
- china manposted 14 years ago0
Hey Joy56 - You open up this thread for a play-fight and now I am in it up to the neck you p**s off and leave me in it ! Come on - your a better man than most on here when it comes to a fight - and I expect you to be on my side
...just woke up and sippin' on my coffee....
Now we know where you get off !! You come into a bitch fight and put up a cuddly baby panda so all the girls will love you - great that's all I need right now I am in a hole and digging deeper !
sorry...can't help you! my coffee tastes too good......hmmmm....I'd rather just read...
Better not mess with us bad chicks cause you might find yourself in a HEAP o' trouble!
Get real, china man. You know it kills your ego to see women succeed & get tough!
..couldn't find my AK47...this'll do for now.....
Yeah - you are really helping here - remind me about this when you are up over your neck in politics
NICE
Love it - but I gotta tell you, polar bears are at the north pole and penguins at the south - check your sources before posting here please !!
and you are still not helping !...I poured you a coffee....
I have to start getting ready for work...I'll check in before I leave...to see if you're still breathing....
- kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years ago0
Well said
cool post girl
hi btw
Your problem isn't about feminine at all !!!! You just married the wrong guy, I would be grunting on top of you for a lot more than half an hour if you had married me instead
And he complains about you initiating sex - wow!! as long as it isn't on the bus or the village green in daylight I wouldn't have any problems with it
I don't think "feminine" is about perfection, and it certainly isn't about ruffles. I think, though, it isn't about lowering a female voice in order to sound more like a male or being afraid to wear a dress or skirt to work out of fear that we won't look as much like a guy in a suit as possible. Or, the other side to that one, is the women think they HAVE TO show cleavage because that's the only thing they know that sets them apart from men. This is thing. 30/40 years after the Women's Movement came into full swing, women don't even know what "feminine" is without taking things to some extreme stereotype that has nothing do with "feminine". "Feminine" isn't (or shouldn't be) about roles or about what anyone does on any given day. It's about what someone is by Nature. Women are feminine in varying degrees, regardless of their career, power, beauty, or lack of any of the above.
Michelle Obama: feminine
Laura Bush: feminine
Condoleeza Rice: feminine
ballerinas: feminine
Ellen Degeneres: Not feminine, knows it, shouldn't feel like she should have to be - but face it, not feminine and apparently happy not to be.
figure skaters: feminine (even if there are male figure skaters - figure skating is about appearing delicate and graceful, even though figure skaters are strong and powerful).
Playing American football: not feminine (and I'm not saying girls/women can't play it, but the game, itself, is not about "feminine")
Bea Arthur voice: not feminine (not saying she wasn't a woman or a wonderful woman - just saying we all know she didn't have a feminine-sounding voice).
Disney's Cinderella: feminine
Disney's Step-sisters: Not feminine and apparently bitter about it
Belle: feminine
Beast: Not feminine
Mermaid: feminine
Ursela: Not feminine.
Being able to wear high heels gracefully and without any problems: feminine
Feeling more natural in hiking boots or any shoes that tie: not so feminine
If you're a feminine woman (by nature, as far as your voice, demeanor, lack of "muscular frame" (whether you're slender or rounder), how you move, etc. goes) (and I think, when it comes down to it, that's the majority of women); you most likely run into problems being taken seriously by anyone who doesn't know that there can be such a thing as a feminine-seeming woman who is strong, powerful, and knows what she's talking about.
For the most part, that apron-and-high-heels argument has been settled long ago. This is thing. I'm as big a feminist as the next person, but the one thing people got wrong in the Women's Movement was to tell people that being feminine had to equal wearing that apron and high heels or ruffles, when that's not what real "femininity" is about at all. You can put all the ruffles in the world on someone woman who isn't very feminine, and she's just going to look like she's wearing someone else's clothes. Besides, there's more to being feminine that ruffles. I don't think I've had anything ruffled on since I was six years old. How feminine we are isn't defined by what we wear, and yet that's what a lot of people seem to think "feminine" is these days.
On top of all that, whenever someone wants to talk about how people seem to be weak or soft or anything else they see as disdainful, the big line is often, "The Feminization of America". So between the people who think being feminine if about ruffles and the ones who have attributed all things inferior and weak to "feminization", anyone who has a shred of femininity in her pretty much lives in a world full that still doesn't even know that women who are feminine and have women's voices can be powerful, smart, strong, and whatever else nobody seems to think women can be if they look more like Sally Field than Bea Arthur.
- china manposted 14 years ago0
Oh yes - forgot my manners in the heat and perspiration of trying to keep up single handed - Hi everyone
But not join in and help huh! I'm dying here and you come up with that line that is as useful as a chocolate frying pan !
okay I'm just about ready to leave for work china man...you started it...and kept digging that hole...if you're still alive...drink that coffee quick, put the weapon down and hop on the back and I'll get you 'outtahere' in one piece....
okay...I have some work to do...let me know if you need one after the day is through...
What is this fascination with my hair ? I am getting a bit worried now
You tell me why you want to know and I might just show you !mega1, I know what you're saying. I probably used a bad, generalized, example. I wasn't really saying feminine women can't/don't wear something like hiking boots - more mentioning that "cinderella shoes" are, by themselves, more feminine looking. A better example is Ellen Degeneres. She has her look, and she's attractive enough but not awfully feminine. She has a few times shown pictures of herself in a fancy dress, and said, "Now you know why I don't wear dresses." Everyone laughs because they see what Ellen is pointing out about herself. She does look strange is the classic Oscar awards kind of dress.
I guess with the shoe example, there are women who, like you, wear them and still look feminine because of that contrast you mentioned. Others, though, wear them and and look like they're right in them because they'd look weird in anything more feminine.
(but we're not supposed to be getting along and agreeing here. This is a "let's fight" thread... ) Oh, well.... Forget the hiking boots thing. Every one here's mother wears oombat boots!!
- china manposted 14 years ago0
Its been an entertaining evening - thanks. I am off to bed now to dream of being the boss in my own house one day as I have to get up early to cook her breakfast before her hard days work of watching movies and phoning her friends and I expect her nails and makeup will need a few hours, hard life but I try to support her the best I can. She may let me go with her for a massage so that I can carry her bag and pay.
Night all. - DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years ago0
Oh, I just popped in for a second. Its 100 degrees here, and I need to cool off a bit. Ive got to run, dishes wont wash themselves ya' know.
ill check back in later on, when I have some more time.ha ha ha ha!!!! but .."we have a dishwasher....we call her Justine."
I got my computer for V-day. I love it, truly, but I can't be execting any more presents for quite some time. I honestly dont mind the housework, but a little "thank you" every now and then can go a long way.
I CANNOT be bought!!!! (which is pretty much why I live my miserable, but principled life - and have to buy my own flowers a good part of the time.
(EZ Cheese - I finally tasted it a few months ago, after a lifetime of imagining how horrible it must. I like it!!! and it's EZ.
CRamsdell, Oh, yeah... I remember all those people I supposedly "slept with" to get to The Top: (well, actually, the "Top of the Bottom" , as opposed to the Middle of the Bottom or the Bottom of the Bottom.
In the meantime, I got to that top of the bottom () because I had figured out the novel idea that working hard actually got you promoted and raises. (and the "killer" is that some of those people actually believed what they did, no matter how "properly" I behaved and dressed.)
Of course, now I run the company (my own "company" of one person - me. ) Looks like I'm taking over the world now! It must have been that Feminist Movement.- DoorMattnomoreposted 14 years ago0
darn, I have to go for real now..time to cook dinner.
have fun everyone, dont forget to laugh!!!! - china manposted 14 years ago0
Just got up here - and see what happens - the girls take over and start congratulating each other and the men join in !!!! Sums up the west world situation in one!! You are clearly all unable to sustain a good fight without me. And yes I do massage her feet most days, when I have been good enough to be allowed to
Now we have areal argue-ator here at last
I would like to start by pointing out that you clearly know nothing about feminine issues because you argue and hit like a man - however having said that
You cannot prove I am wrong by ogling, that is the province of mega1 who is sexually harassing me for no good reason except she can't think of a good argument.
Everything you say on that other thread is clearly rubbish, you are just trying to make a myth out it all !!! The same as the downtrodden woman is just a myth set up to pave the way for feminine domination !
"Muahahaha......" By raising two sons I've created two men who have been raised to my liking! By raising two sons, my sister has created two that are to her liking! It goes on and on - we will take over the world!!!!
but we'll be taking over the world by looking and acting like THIS... and nobody is ever going to see it coming....
but really being this...
"Muahahaha!!!"
and when we do take over the world, you know what it's going to mean?? That people are going to be expected to behave in a professional way in offices and workplaces ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!! That people will behave with respect toward co-workers!!! That sex, sexual innuendo, and all touching other than handshakes and pats on the back will STOP in workplaces everywhere!!! That people who can't behave like respectable human beings will LOSE THEIR JOBS and have their heads sued off in courts around the land!!!! No one will be safe from all this! Poorly behaved men AND women will lose their jobs, and their jobs will be given to people who know who to behave at work!!
that people like this...
and this.....
will grow up to live in a world where they will be treated with respect, at least at work; but if we women have our way, in every area of life. Muahahaha!! (Anybody want make somethin' of it? Anybody want to complain about "those awful feminists" and all their expectations? Anybody want to belly-ache and whine over those "awful feminists" who don't want people like the ones above to grow up and work where there's an "anything-goes" attitude with regard to sexual behavior/talk in workplaces?
What's more... When we take over the world there won't be any more interns under US presidents' desks, babies born to vice presidential candidates who won't own up to being their father until they have no choice but to do so, "trips to the Appalachian trail" by governors who really go to Argentina to meet their mistresses (and then, by the way, stand at a podium and CRY about it), governors who get booted out of office because of their history with "high-priced call girls", etc. etc. etc. AND, there won't be any female ex-governor/ex-"beauty queens" who run on the fact they're "like men" because they murder living creatures for fun and sport! Oh, yes... We are out to take over the world and only share our power with any men whose behavior we think measures up to our standards.
Oh - and if all that doesn't provide any fuel for arguing, how about this: If I had my way all American Football, Wrestling, and NASCAR racing would be wiped off the face of the Earth. So would reality shows, tv game shows, and all video-game playing for children under 14! So would broccoli, Circus peanuts candy, all marshmallow, all frosting, and autopsy shows on television. And... by the way.. The toilet tissue roll should be OVER (not under), the lid should always be down. And, yes - throw pillows "just for ornament" (and not to be used as pillows for heads or feet) DO make sense! So does making the bed even though "you're just going to undo it every night anyway". Arguments?Power corrupts - its just men that will be under the desk instead !! except women can't control all that writhing and screaming stuff they do can they now - so we will all KNOW what is going on !!!! This is your take on transparent politics I take it !
Some of my best bosses were women (one was a major jerk - but at least she she didn't get drunk, chase me around the place, and make me have to quit my job (the way one Commonwealth of Massachusetts program manager did).
Oh - Massachusetts and I go back way too far. Anyone want to argue about what the worst state in the country is?
- kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years ago0
let's see. who can I piss off today so lots of chatter will spread about and grow to such a magnitude it becomes hysterical/ Better not. after all trolls have feelings too
BRING IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years ago0
PS
Joy I am sure it is nothing to worry about but you have 2 heads
Probably nothing
but man u must b smart!
Yes - you do have two heads, but I am sure putting up a pic for your avatar that depicts giving the big one a little head is ok, unless you live in Texas apparently
...i see you're up to no good again...just dropping by....doesn't look like you need a lift yet...just scream like a girl when you need me!
bat woman is cool for sure.....she has a bike. and nice boots..they drove around in a car...oh yeah forgot...and with their underwear overtop of their spandex....sheesh...
I don't know... These two are quite the pair of unappealing guys, aren't they? Somebody as hefty as Batman should never wear that particular outfit. (Oops - there's the fashion thing again... ) Superman's better. Spiderman's dumb. Wonder Woman is a pathetic attempt to have a woman be a super hero. You know who's worse than the lot of them, though? PETER PAN!!!! (and that Wendy needs some rotten fruit thrown at her.
) Anybody want to argue about any of these?
(It's - like - 500 degrees where I am right now. I don't know if I'm itching for a fight or too bleeping hot not to criticize fake characters. )
...'the only fun I get now....'
...houston, I think we've got a problem here...
I'm off to get ready for work - see you Mega1 - the sexual harrassment is fun!
Is he saying we like arguments of something? he better not be
- King Larryposted 14 years ago0
damn straight im ready for a f***ing argument. bring it on you p****ies. (c***s rifle and aims it at any hubber that dares to argue with him) just remember, if you DO argue with me, I'm going put a bullet in your head!!!! after all, that's the way I like it, as two men argue but there can be ONLY ONE that lives.
j/k j/k j/k j/k This an argument thread not a death threat forum !!! you should move this to the religious forum at once
- china manposted 14 years ago0
- china manposted 14 years ago0
ok - no-one wants a fight I am going to bed - have a nice hot day y'all
Drink - Drink - Feak Off
Father Ted - the comedy - Drink Drink - Feak Off - famous lines of Father Jack
lololololo
Now this thread gets an Oscar for the most uncanny! lolololo
So who put the overalls in Mrs. Murphy's chowder? They were mine and when you find out who did, I would like to have them back. Washed, dried and ironed.
Did you do it China Man?????I don't see this as uncanny at all - it is just a mimic of the bullderdust elsewhere in the forums except it honestly made up !! AND we don't believe your plastic trophy's on this thread, we don't want no oscars, or even paying - just honest to goodness insult
- King Larryposted 14 years ago0
- china manposted 14 years ago0
nobody want a fight today then ? Any topic or weird unusual depravity entertained
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