Ouch! Why do people hate this Hub? Its at 45 and falling fast...

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  1. Rob Patrick profile image56
    Rob Patrickposted 12 years ago

    Needing some constructive criticism regarding my second ever hub. I crafted what I thought to be a clever and informative article that would help the reader renegotiate a lower wireless bill with their provider. But after one day its been down-voted 5 times. Wondering if anyone has any advice to share with a discouraged newby.

    Oh before I forget the hub in question is... the hub is http://hubpages.com/hub/How-I-cut-my-ce … n-Iphone-4

    I hope this doesn't constitute promoting my own hub... if it does and I've broken a rule let me know and I will delete this comment right away.

    Thank you.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image89
      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Rob, as others have said - there is no way of telling whether someone has voted your Hub up OR down.  The score doesn't give you any clues.  All Hubs start off around the 50 mark and it does fluctuate.

      If your Hub is copied from another article that's already published (even if it's yours), the score will plummet.  Otherwise, the score will get better slowly over time. 

      Your Hubber score is low - write yourself a profile and let us know something about you, that will make a difference! 

      Welcome to HubPages.

    2. rbrenan profile image61
      rbrenanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You might want to search around for hubs that explain hub score.  I have read some that were very helpful.  I only have three hubs - I posed the first two at 50 and they have risen slowly in the following days.  For the third one, I tried some advice I read in another hub and sat on it for a day or two after it was finished.  It actually rose to a 60 before I had even published it.  I think that having your score rise before publication is probably a good sign, and if it does not rise after a day or so then you may need to look at things like spelling, length of content, variety of content (text, images, videos, amazon boxes, etc), and quality of title (from a search engine optimization standpoint).  I'm just learning too, but I hope that helps!

    3. Stump Parrish profile image60
      Stump Parrishposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Rob, I found the article to be an excellent 2nd attempt. Humourous enough to keep me reading and contained some info others may not be aware of. Listen to Marisa, she has good advice. Of course I usually give terrible advice so use your own judgement

    4. Darrke Thoughts profile image58
      Darrke Thoughtsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I see that time is not helping much. (38 when I looked at it today.)

      I didn't find anything particularly childish about the hub unless it's the cartoon graphics.  They do seem to fit the tone of the hub though so I wouldn't necesarily change that.

      The voice you use is a lot different from other cell phone type hubs (or other web pages) that I've seen.  I have to give you credit for that.  I haven't read any of the others all the way through.  So it worked for keeping at least one person on the page long enough to read the whole thing.

      It's good advice, not overly promotional (which a lot of cell phone pages tend to be).

      I think there is room for improvement, but not the kind that would effect your hub score like it's going.

      The title is probably too long.  You will do better in search engines with a shorter title, make sure to leave your keywords in it.

      The hub may be too short.  It's hard to tell from reading, but check your stats at the top of the hub when you look at it and find out how many words the hub is. HubPages prefers 500 words or more.

      Other than that, I think you must have got some down votes, possibly from competitors in the cell phone category?

      Keep writing and don't let this one get you down.  It will either straighten itself out on the score or you can delete it and try again with the subject later.  Meanwhile, keep writing hubs. I see your first one has a rising score and I can't see anything significantly different in the quality of the two hubs.

  2. Cagsil profile image71
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    How would you know it was down-voted 5 times?

    Secondly, the hub looks like a child wrote it.

    So, I'm not exactly sure what you would like to do with it. I would suggest changing the format, and possibly adding more text and change the manner in which it is written.

    1. Rob Patrick profile image56
      Rob Patrickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How do I know its down voted 5 times? Its at 45, I thought that meant its been down voted?

      As for a child writing it... not sure how constructive that comment is but thanks for your time anyway.

      1. Cagsil profile image71
        Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Nevermind, do what you want.

        1. Rob Patrick profile image56
          Rob Patrickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks but it was a legitimate question. Doesn't the 45 mean that people have been down-voting it? I'm not trying to be snarky but I'm new and still figuring things out.

          Again, thanks for your time. I do appreciate the feedback. Best regards.

          1. profile image0
            Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Not necessarily. Negative votes have a neglible impact, certainly you cannot subtract 1 point per down vote. In my opinion, it is premature to even worry about the score for a hub published so recently.

            I recommend that you fill out some information for your profile page and get yourself a suitable avatar.

      2. K Kiss profile image58
        K Kissposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        that was a very nice way of reacting..quite gentlemanly..welcome to hubpages

  3. lrohner profile image68
    lrohnerposted 12 years ago

    I think the hub is great. It's an interesting read with good information.

    1. Rob Patrick profile image56
      Rob Patrickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks. Really appreciate that. Any ideas why its at 45? Again, I'm new and still learning the ropes around here.

      Thanks again.

      1. lrohner profile image68
        lrohnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        All hubs start at 50, and that can fluctuate a bit even before you publish it. Your 45 isn't that far off from where it started. Just give it time. If a week or two goes by and it's still at 45, post again and let us know.

      2. leahlefler profile image96
        leahleflerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Rob, it will probably fluctuate. I have some hubs that started out at a 50, then dropped to a 47 or 48: one of these now has a score of 80. Give the hub a little time and see if it increases over time: it can take a week (or more) to see it increase.

        There are some excellent articles on increasing hubscore: I have to look at your article again (it was an entertaining personal anecdote), but you could add a news capsule with news about mobile phone contracts.The more detailed and original a hub is, the better it will do in the long run!

    2. passionatelearnr profile image85
      passionatelearnrposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      i think so too.

      1. KarenHC profile image79
        KarenHCposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Did you see that this thread is from four years ago, and probably not relevant today?

  4. CASE1WORKER profile image63
    CASE1WORKERposted 12 years ago

    Rob, I think your hub was really good! It might not raise the bucks in adsense but it raised a giggle here in the land of cheap mobile phone contracts!

  5. vicki simms profile image69
    vicki simmsposted 12 years ago

    Hi Rob, I've checked out your hub and left you a comment, I really like it!
    I'm still learning the ropes and do not feel I can give you any kind of help as such but I do know that once you publish a hub the score does sometimes go down but give it a couple of days and you will see it increase smile

  6. Rochelle Frank profile image92
    Rochelle Frankposted 12 years ago

    Another fact is-- you have been here less than 24 hours. Numbers  on hubs and profiles don't mean anything at this point. Give it some time.

  7. camlo profile image84
    camloposted 12 years ago

    Rob, I enjoyed your Hub very much, and like your style, too.
    I think lrohner is probably right, and the score will soon rise.

  8. IzzyM profile image88
    IzzyMposted 12 years ago

    I didn't see anything wrong with the hub, nor did I see anything in it that would clarify Cags's statement that "it looked like a child that wrote it".
    ALL hubs start off low, and some get even lower after publication. I don't know why. It has happened to me too.  Rest assured that it will rise in time smile

    1. ImChemist profile image58
      ImChemistposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes you right , we ( the newbies )have to take chance to try to success!

  9. Midnight Oil profile image81
    Midnight Oilposted 12 years ago

    All my hubs drop like bricks when first published, then slowly rise back up a respectable level.  Give it time, and it will rise.

    Interesting hub, quite like your style, but the title is far too long for me - try playing about with the title a bit.

    Also, daft as it may seem, I seem to get more interest in my hubs when I put a picture of myself on my profile... might be worth a try


    1. Pcunix profile image91
      Pcunixposted 12 years ago

      Give it time.

      It's fine.

      I do think it could use just a little cosmetic work, but really, it's minor and of little importance.  Putting a list close to the first ad is just a little klutzy looking.  Just a little, though. You might be able to fix it with an extra sentence or two in the first two paragraphs.

      But that is SO minor it is almost silly to mention it.

    2. melpor profile image91
      melporposted 12 years ago

      For starters your hub tittle is too long. The search engine is not seeing the last half of it.

      1. Pcunix profile image91
        Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Where on earth did you get THAT silly idea from????

        1. Pcunix profile image91
          Pcunixposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Ooops. I missed that you said "title".  I thought you were referring to the hub length.

          1. melpor profile image91
            melporposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Pcunix, I just corrected it. It shows only 70 characters in the title.

    3. melpor profile image91
      melporposted 12 years ago

      It should be less than 70 characters in length. That is how many characters google show in the title after a search is executed. It used to be 65 characters.

    4. Painter Penfield profile image60
      Painter Penfieldposted 12 years ago

      I see from your hub that the score has risen nicely. I gave you a thumbs up and, for myself, enjoyed the read. Keep hubbing.

    5. Mark Ewbie profile image81
      Mark Ewbieposted 7 years ago

      Hi Rob - welcome to HubPages.  What a great article.  I am now your faithful follower and hopefully in another four years you might write another one.


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