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ryankettposted 14 years ago
I have set it as my default search bar.

I suppose that we have to hope that others slowly begin to agree with me?
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  recommend1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are really taking this Google dip seriously aren't you ?
  
  Don't you think things will settle to a new level and that your stuff will rise back to some semblance of previous levels then ?
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  kannanwritesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol............ryan is just serious about google analytics, I suppose.
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  TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously Ryan, you have had about 30 threads going and now you praise BING!
  
  You are taking this way too seriously. Where were you on Mayday when G changed its algo? We've all been through this before and this is nothing new.
  
  You need to take a break. I am sure you've scared the bejeeshish out of every new hubber here and those that read the forum but don't comment.
  
  If it was anything serious then I am sure Paul Deeds would have chimed in by now. The fact he has not would indicate they have no issue and are enjoying the new Alexa ranking from the forum.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have been scaring hubbers? If that is the case then I suggest that they need to grow a pair, this is my SECOND thread on the subject, where have you been?
  
  I, like many others, have seen a 50% reduction in traffic, which appears to be a strategic slap. Those others are scared for precisely the same reasons.
  
  Bing is actually pretty good, by the way. I wasn't affected in the slightest by any Mayday bump, not sure whether you are referring to May 2010 or May 2009, but I wasn't around for the former.
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  TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you have had a dip for what, one day and your already jumping ship to Bing. Your threads have all been about you and how you need to look for a new job. You go procrastinating on someone elses blog and the following commenters called you out. That made you look an idiot and you didn't bother to drop back to defend yourself.
  
  Seriously Ryan, take a step back, take your foot outta your mouth, stop posting useless threads and see what happens.
  
  Your running around like a pansie because you have had a 50% drop in your Hubpage earnings. Who cares, get a blog and make some real money.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What? I have been back to that blog post several times, d*ck.
  
  Go, report.
  
  My whole two threads have all been about me? You mean the one which identified the issue BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE HAD REPORTED THE SAME. The one which had been posted before anybody else noted a reduction in traffic?
  
  What did you want me to do? Sympathise with imaginary people? And their imaginary traffic problems?
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  TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do yourself a favour mate and take a break.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do yourself a favour mate and get off my thread, and any thread that I ever choose to make in the future. In fact I don't recall you ever being on one before so you tell me why you have started now.
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  TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just like when you went to the other blog and started blasting away. They came back and blasted you and you took a dive.
  
  Your starting to show your true colours Ryan.
  
  I am not that sure that its me being the jerk here. Have your thread and the possible 20 more you will post tomorrow.
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  Mark Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Biggest pansie I have seen lol.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Alexa rankings have yet to update, and I doubt that the forum would counter the bump when they do.
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  SunSevenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I get good traffic from Bing. So I am happy about them.
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simeonvisserposted 14 years ago
From what I've read it's not on a per-domain but per-page basis so good stuff will rise and bad articles will go down. Things will likely settle in the near future.

I see no reason to switch to Bing.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My biggest casualty has been the article Funny Facebook Status Ideas. It has fallen from #1 to #16 in the Google.com rankings.
  
  It was getting 14000 page views per day, minimum. It has been facebook shared 3000 times, a poll told me that 87% of people enjoyed reading the article. There is nothing wrong with the quality. In fact, almost every other blog post which magically appeared afterwards copied at least a few of the statuses. They also all appeared on Status King, with people wanting to win a t-shirt and a few people actually winning a t-shirt.
  
  If that goes back to #1 I will carry on with content farms, otherwise never again. Maybe it will go back, but I highly doubt it. If it were on my own domain, it wouldn't have been dumped yesterday.
  
  Have you read Sunforged's blog post? They have taken a swipe at some of the biggest traffic hubs on the site, that strikes me as intentional.
  
  I am sick to death of people on here, not you but others who I have never actually noticed before, taking a swipe by suggesting that I have suffered as a result of a lack of quality. I would perhaps suggest to those people that an article which has been shared 3000 times and has well over 1000 comments, 99% positive, has not been hit for quality reasons but as a result of Google identifying it as a major traffic source for this site.
  
  And it was, a massive massive source of traffic for Hubpages. As was one of Misha's, which has also been dumped.
  
  I'm not going to name the hubs, but every five figure traffic hubpage that I have ever known about on this site (5) has been demoted. That strikes me as intentional.
  
  I have never unorganically backlinked that Hubpage. The casualties seem to be a strategic move, rather than a genuine change to an algorithm.
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  recommend1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan - I don't think anyone has been suggesting that your quality is the the issue -
  
  surely it is more about the type of links that have been demoted ? and if the five hubs you quote are built on a certain type of backlinking then they will suffer if those links are demoted ??
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The hub that I had dropped had a grand total of 3 backlinks on places such as SheToldMe and dozens more which were entirely organic and natural.
  
  It was as clean as could be, whiter than white. And yes, people have been suggesting that my quality has been the issue, I know what I read - have you read every post on this forum? Nope, you haven't.
  
  You are one of those that I don't even know, who are you? What business is this of yours? You have 2 hubs, I have 719, go back and crawl back into your cave of irrelevance.
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  recommend1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your ignorance is only equalled by your arrogance I would say. The idea that Google has targetted you is laughable.
  
  I have done nothing except offer support and constructive criticism while you have been rolling around in a panic, your outburst is unnecessary and plain rude.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unneccessary, rude, but very true.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  recommend1, you are right, I was out of order to you on this thread. And for that I apologise.
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  recommend1posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Accepted - and as you are Essex boy I kinda expect a bit af abrasion good luck with your stuff - I am willing to bet that it will start to rise around mid-week.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, not quite Essex, although close enough to them to have had them rub off on me a little
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  Spacey Graceyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Careful what you say about Essex - some of the best people live there
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We all know what they say about Essex girls Spacey!
  
  And I meant to say:
  
  "Nope, not quite Essex, although I have been close enough to them to have had them rub me off a little"
  
  Where were you when I proposed an East Anglian hub meet? Get over there now, I'm not doing it unless I can get 10-15, so far I have about 3!
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  Spacey Graceyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where do I find it the thread? I have been out the loop a bit as working on my own stuff. Only popped back yesterday as got a facebook update about the end-is-nigh Google update.
  
  Have now resgined myself to another extended period of poverty.
  
  Not impressed to see my best hub drop into oblivion, and in the top 10 Google results for the search term Amazon has 3 places - surely one would be enough to let searchers know Amazon sell the product, not list every blooming version of it
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I certainly agree with that. Show a "More results" from link. Far better.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was uncalled for, Ryan.
  
  I know you are angry right now, but there is no need to snap at people who aren't snapping at you.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your right. It was harsh. I would like to apologise to recommend on record.
  
  I'm not extending that to TerryGI though.
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  TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't care less Ryan. Your a small pawn with a big mouth.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look pal, I started a thread to tell people that Bing was quite good. The first time I have used it, it was a genuine statement, I didn't appreciate your response.
  
  The suggestion that I alone am scaring hubbers is a completely unfair one, I would suggest that AdSense stats are scaring hubbers. Go to ANY content farm online right now, peruse the forum, and you will see precisely the same discussions. Or are you going to blame that all on me too?
  
  The suggestion that I have twenty threads on this subject is inaccurate, I have made three. One of those, as you will see, is hosting some great constructive discussion on the possible direction of the site. The other was posted without realising that this was a universal problem.
  
  I suggest that you shut your own mouth. Quite why you have identified me as the source of worry is beyond me, do Google have my picture on their dartboard? Have you failed to see the dozens of other threads on this subject? Including one which suggests that Hubpages deserves to get bumped?
  
  Why me? Why blame me?
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  GI is plugging an article market robot on the author page.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I noticed that too after his comments on here. I visited his Hubpage 'Sick Submitter Why I Like It' http://hubpages.com/hub/Sick-Submitter-Why-I-Like-It
  
  And then left this comment about three hours ago:
  
  "Terry, this is precisely the type of SEO technique - borderline blackhat - which have seen Google get the hump. Yet you have the gumption to promote this crap to Hubbers and then call me out for 'scaring' them. Nice one."
  
  Almost all of his articles promote unorganic link building or article spinning, yet I am the bad guy of course It's OK to cheat the search engines but scaring a few hubbers is enough to justify public vitriol.
  
  But then I have bigger issues to contend with right now.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wish that blackhat seo articles were not allowed here..
  
  But I'm a very small voice in a big forest of corruption and uncaring so I expect they always will be.
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  SiddSinghposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I am not wrong ( I may well be!) recommend1 is actually the new avatar of a veteran and much respected hubber.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have apologised to recommend1, quite rightfully, for this remark.
  
  Although I will point out that I am in no way supportive of people using multiple forum identities irrespective, so I do not concern myself with who may be behind a new avatar, that is one of my pet hates.
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't like not knowing who I am talking to either.
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  simeonvisserposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you are saying that these hubs have been targetted to reduce the traffic to this domain? For some reason I would still like to believe that Google values quality articles here at hubpages.com. If things don't settle and traffic stays down for your quality hubs then you have every right to move your content or switch to Bing if you wish.
  
  But if I were you I would wait a little longer before drawing conclusions. You have a much larger body of written work at HubPages so you can see more easily what is affected and what is not.
  
  I don't see the same results in Google for your Facebook hub though. Both 'facebook status ideas' and 'funny facebook status ideas' result in your hub being #1 in google.com and google.co.uk.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you from the UK or US? It may be geographic, but I am seeing by hub at #2 for Google.co.uk and #16 for Google.com.
  
  That would be consistent with my almost complete loss of Google.com traffic in the past 24 hours.
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  simeonvisserposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm currently in the Netherlands.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting, its definitely not defaulted back to the Dutch google when you search?
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  simeonvisserposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The domain remains .com or .co.uk when I search. When I visit http://www.google.com/search?q=facebook+status+ideas I indeed get your hub at #1.
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but what happens if this algo is applied to Google worldwide? I will do ebooks and that is all, unless I come into a bundle of money and advertise.
  
  Maybe that is the aim of you know who, ie, more ebooks and more advertising.
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  Hubman007posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its number one in both USA and UK now.
  
  So perhaps this was just a temporary dance?
  
  An algo update would normally produce a dance in rankings for many sites which can affect traffic temporarily. Some sites might not even get their true traffic back for up to 30 days.
  
  Speak to those who own niche sites who have seen their sites completely disapper from google for weeks only to come back even stronger then before!
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Funny facebook status" is only far down first page. I don't know, but Ryan can tell us if it was higher.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was #1 unfortunately
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that is a biggie, so you have been hit. Sorry.
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  charanjeet kaurposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan I live in India and your hub still shows at #2. Just thought I'd share.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On Google.com or localised results? The changes, thus far, have only been rolled out in the USA.
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  lrohnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ry - You came up #1 for me too for facebook status ideas both when I was signed in and after I logged out.
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  bgamallposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah but he is not #1 for funny statuses for facebook and funny facebook status. Those two are huge and he is way down the page.
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  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan, I'm in the US - "funny facebook status ideas" results in you being #2, with some squidoo article being #1.
  
  "Facebook status ideas" results in you being #1.
  
  In both cases, it is Google.com being shown.
  
  I assume you are referring to: http://hubpages.com/hub/50-Funny-Facebook-Status-Ideas
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  thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The changes are only on GOogle US at the moment, they will be propogated later to the Google's on different countries.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't see anyone suggest that. You say these are people you never noticed before; no doubt they are also people who never noticed you and know nothing about you.
  
  By the way, I'm one of the many, many people who shared your "Funny Facebook Status" page, but I would note that sooner or later things like that reach saturation and decline. I'm not saying that's what happened here, of course.
  
  But again: let's see what next week brings. It's end week, end month, February vacation for many and we ARE still in an economic downturn.
  
  And also: if HP needs to change (still unknown), don't you believe that they WILL do whatever it takes? Your profitable pages are their profits too, right? Do you really think they'd just throw up their hands and watch it all go down the toilet?
  
  If (IF) HP needs to enforce stronger quality, where's the harm for you? Yes, I'm sure all of us might have some things we might have to let go, but would you think for even a minute that your Funny Facebook Status page would be among them? Of course not!
  
  If changes need to be made, I'm sure they will be made. If not, things will sort out soon enough.
  
  I thought you were playing Scrabble and having pizza?
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was going to be heading out with the pug but the rain has put those plans in jeopardy.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let me ask it again:
  
  If HP needs to change (still unknown), don't you believe that they WILL do whatever it takes? Your profitable pages are their profits too, right? Do you really think they'd just throw up their hands and watch it all go down the toilet?
  
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think that they will do what they can, you are right there.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK, fine.
  
  But if they cannot, the only possible thing that can stop them is that Google is devaluing all mixed content sites, which seems VERY unlikely.
  
  But if it were true, that would only mean that you and I and everybody else needs to go create our mini niche sites.
  
  If we have quality, we WILL survive. It's obviously easier if we can just leave things here, which is why I am in no rush to do anything.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ryan, did you notice one of the comments on the other thread, about Snipsly, SheToldMe etc?
  
  I seem to recall you saying most of your backlinking is on other "content farms" like Snipsly et al. So could that be the reason you've been so badly hit? Because what it means is not only do you suffer from the loss of traffic to HP, you've also effectively lost all your backlinks.
  
  What's annoying for me is that I was planning to get my finger out and start spreading my articles around other rev-sharing sites like DevHub, Howtodothings, Bukisa etc to improve my backlinks - maybe a waste of time now?
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  hassannposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Simeon can you post a link? I've trying to learn about that. Domain or page?
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  simeonvisserposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have to keep in mind it's partly speculation at this point but here is the commentary of someone who suggests it is done per page, not per domain:
  
  http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2011/ … tent-farms
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  hassannposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  thanks
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Ryan after looking at the SERPs this morning, and seeing what my hubs have been replaced with, I think people here are confused by the word quality.

My amazon product hubs have been replaced by Amazon, Nordstrom, Dillards, Macy's and other big name retailers - and not higher quality affiliate sites. This isn't a problem with commas and grammar or even too many backlinks. This is a philosophy that the best search results are those from primary merchants not affiliates.

I am sad that your Funny Facebook Status hub has fallen, similarly to the more commercial hubs. It means that it's across the board, not a surgical strike.

Yesterday I had the best time working on my Cape Cod travel site, and will continue to do so today. I'm even designing a line of Cape Cod souveniers!
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would have been happy enough to see Amazon at the top with a book entitles 'Funny Facebook Status Ideas'.
  
  Instead all I am seeing is blog posts which emerged after my hub and produced in precisely the same list format.
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waynetposted 14 years ago
It's stuff like this that happens that really helps you take stock of things in the online world. We are but puppets who try and earn online and rely on sites we don't control that much. Google is trying it's best to own us in the online realm, but there are alternatives.

The most interesting thing is for now traffic has gone down here at Hubpages, but my blogs have increased in traffic. Updates to algos usually level themselves out eventually and it does us no good reflecting back on our past achievements, it's time to look forward and really see what we can do online....I think in the Hubpages newsletter recently it said something about creating our legacy and that can be applied to anything we do online.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Google is doing its best to provide the best possible search results. It's not about us, it is about search.
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  Mikeydoesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe now and in the future, search needs sites like this. Having people produce great content and getting paid for it is about the smartest idea for Google. Taking us out of the equation will only slow search down. If people want Amazon.com, overstock.com ETC. They will go there, and not the search bar.
  
  Hubpages can expand much more and perhaps make it's own legitimate search. That is for sure. I honestly think and still think there is great potential to this site, but it does need to grow a lot. It isn't like Google is really that great, hopefully it doesn't end up owning all of the internet that would suck.
  
  I'm excited to see where the internet is going to go, and I am sure there are millions of dollars available for all of us. I am sure there will be plenty of new oppurtunities in the future for great amounts of money.
  
  I am a fan of hearing things from every day ordinary people, and I am sure many more people are like that as well.
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Mikeydoesposted 14 years ago
I actually used bing for a while and I really liked it. HOWEVER the only reason I stopped using it was because all of my traffic came from Google.

Bing was great for me. If we are trying to get on topic. I really might switch back. Not sure though. I'm not supporting Google if they don't think people working from home improving their search needs to be nerfed.
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  Hubman007posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I also get the feeling that no matter how bad googles search results are, it will remain the search engine king for many years and even decades to come.
  
  Remember many people who only just started using the internet in the past ten years all learnt how to search via google. This is a habit of a lifetime for most people.
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  Mikeydoesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are ways to get people to switch, usually through celebrities or movements. Or other tactics to reach the masses. The internet can come back and haunt them, remember we can reach EVERYone in a matter of seconds via facebook and other tools.
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Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago
Well Ryan, that's upsetting that you're being replaced by ripoffs. I'm actually glad that I never brought my best content to Hubpages now. (Didn't want to share 60/40).

It's getting a bit nasty around here. So I'm off to take pictures of the JFK Museum in Hyannis to write about it on my travel blog.

Try to spend your time constructively, not arguing about stuff you have no control over. Okay?
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Nelle, going to press the big 'x' now, I've said all that I need to say anyway.
  
  Have fun taking snaps.
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  kannanwritesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ryan things will settle down. It's just one more (though, only copy cats should worry, as we say in Indian context) mischief from google.Quality will be Quality anyway.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I hope so, for all of our sakes.
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sabrebIadeposted 14 years ago
Back to the Bing thing....
I get a lot of traffic from them.
And I was kinda shocked a couple of weeks ago when I was watching NCIS: LA that when they pulled up a search on their huge 3-D computer screen, there was Bing in all it's glory.
That may not sound like much but that's how Google got into the collective consciousness, through media.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have to admit that I am impressed with them, I used to hate Yahoo and still do, but I can't see what Google offers what Bing doesn't.... they are still building market share, only not at the expense of Google. Some are suggesting that Google are at the top of their life cycle, I'm not sure, but Bing does pose a genuine threat to them.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Probably because Bing is scraping Google.. or so says Google, anyway.
  
  I will NEVER trust Microsoft. They have been accused of bias in this area before and it has come up yet again.
  
  They are an amoral and often immoral company.
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  sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i think mat cutts screen shots of the test "garbage" terms they put out to prove the Bing scrape were pretty believable !
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not according to the MSOFT Fanboyz
  
  For those not familiar, see http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-bing/ and the comments.
  
  Oh, and there is really no need to listen to Microsofts painful attempt to justify their obvious theft. Watch Colberrt's video instead..
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
Ryan maybe it's just me (and I don't think it is) but your hub is ranked #1, shows as #1 and is at #1 for at least 5 different search terms. That's google dot com by the way.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't understand why my Google.com traffic has dissapeared then? Because Google.co.uk is sending just as much as Google.com to that hub.
  
  What else could be causing it? If it were sitting at #1 (mine shows otherwise) then why is it getting a fraction of the traffic that it was a couple of days ago?
  
  Month: 224999
  Day: 2751
  
  That suggests a 30 day rate of about 80000.... that's just the Google.com traffic, by the way?
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No idea. I was talking about this earlier (with someone not myself heh!). I have had a hub moved into the #1 spot. Don't know why, though it's well written and was from the day it was published.
  
  Anyway, it's just had a good old leg up and the traffic is 1/3 if not less than it enjoyed when it was placed less well. So answers on a postcard
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So basically, everybody now knows what my best hub is, despite me not needing to disclose it
  
  Great (although, if true, that really is GREAT)
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhhh but both you and I know that what may well be the most trafficked is not necessarily the biggest earner. I only wish the two were mutually exclusive
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I wish that they weren't mutually exclusive
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  lender3212000posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm seeing it at #3 on Google.com from the U.S. right now. Perhaps it varies by data center or they are incorporating user behavior such as a previous visit to Hubpages. Odd to say the least...
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  ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am getting different results on google.com and via a proxy service I use to check things out.
  
  The true story is the traffic to the hub, and I am presuming that when ryankett says it has tanked, that means it has tanked. He has no reason not to be telling the truth about that.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does Google.com show for you ThomasE?
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  ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My google.com shows you at 1st place. Proxy says you are nowhere. I am in the UK, so not part of the roll out area yet.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That sounds about right
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lender3212000posted 14 years ago
The most important thing to remember here is to forget about yesterday and build for what works right now. It is pretty clear from studying this recent update what Google favors these days and fortunately, it doesn't seem like it will be difficult to create.

Time to get back to building content and making money!

I'll be having a mock funeral for several of my hubs today before I transfer them over to other websites if anyone wants to join me : )
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R-J-Tposted 14 years ago
"Funny Facebook Status" is also at #1 on google.com with me but that could be becuase its from UK data center, who knows? I'm sure a postive will come out of this no matter what happens in the long term tho.
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frogdroppingposted 14 years ago
Ok RK - I think we can safely say that you're wrong and we're right You're #1 or as near as damnit. Great! You're still on top.

... but ... where's the damn traffic?!

The first person to come back with the best answer can have an awesome handmade frogdropping keychain
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately I think that ThomasE has just answered it for everybody
  
  Google isn't showing the updated rankings to everybody yet, but the are certainly very real.
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Probs. Still, I know I have definitely done well on some, not so on others, and yet the whole damn gravy train fell off the rails!
  
  Heyyyyyy ... we can always sell our pooches Ryan! We got ourselves a pair of pretty gals right there! In fact mines is ... *looks round* right there
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, I often joke that if we run out of money we can sell her to Koreans or make pug curry
  
  At least she is cheap to feed, I would be worried if she were one of those huge dogs that has to have 5 tins a day!
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  frogdroppingposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup you gotta love it when a girl doesn't run your wallet into the black. Boo costs a tenner a month to feed and she eats (according to her) very very well.
  
  Too well looking at the size of her ass!
  
  @ Randy my name is not to be separated. You know that. I am a frogdropping from the sky. Or from somewhere up above. I am not a frogdropping you can step in. Or on. And all I ever smell of is ... me
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How do you get rid of the smell? Or are frog droppings odorless?
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Hubman007posted 14 years ago
Is anyone actually in the usa that can confirm the ranking of ryanketts hub?

This might go a long way to solving the extent of this "damage"
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Everybody seems to have an answer, but the damage is very much real, that is confirmed by my hub stats.
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  Hubman007posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the hub is indeed ranking at number one then the google dance might be at work here.
  
  This will cause everyone to see different results all across the country for a certain amount of time which will explain a loss in traffic. The google dance is nothing to worry about is only normally temporary.
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  Susana Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know if that hub was at number 1 for several high traffic phrases and it's dropped down for one or more?
  
  I ask because this is what I've seen on a few of my hubs where the traffic has halved. One particular hub was number one for 3 or 4 high traffic phrases and also for about another 5 long tails. Now the hub is ranking number one for one of the phrases and has dropped down for the others, meaning a loss of about 50% of it's normal number of views.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was top for many many search terms, and in the top 3 for many many others. It would be near impossible for me to identify precisely what keywords I am suffering most from, but then my own Google.com searched showed a demotion to the second page for my most lucrative keyword - the one which was most commonly searched.
  
  Somebody suggests that geographically things need to catch up, as results can differ across the US. The problem being that it was never on the second page, so I sincerely hope that "catching up" doens't result in it falling to the second page across America. I guess that I just have to wait and see.
  
  All I know is that my total traffic stat is still only going one way, and that is down, at no stage has the decline stopped. And whilst it is the weekend, which could explain that, it does concern me a fair bit.... it puts me back 8 months... during that 8 months I have probably written 300 hubs... To be honest I haven't been seeing traffic growth for 4 months anyway, despite publishing like mad.
  
  Which is why I don't feel too confident about ever getting those hits back This site stopped 'working' for me some time ago if I am honest, with the exception of a few lucky sales pages which were hit just right.
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SunSevenposted 14 years ago
Too early to hit the panic button.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Too late, it only took me a few hours to give it a big hit
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  SunSevenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just a dip in the curve. Low stakes, hot spots.
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Mark Ewbieposted 14 years ago
Just popping in to say I am 'with' Ryan on this. He is the one reporting big traffic falls, he is the one reflecting what the outside world is saying - there are serious problems out there affecting in here.

I am glad Ryan is posting and bringing this to our attention - for me - it's the most important topic.

Plus finally - I'd rather hear from Ryan with his experience, marketing , number of hubs, etc. than those who shall we say have been here less time, with less hubs and apparently enjoy a wind up.
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SunSevenposted 14 years ago
What is happening is for the good of us. The shift in Google algorithm is towards the 'search local', I guess. Perhaps we should start writing for the local market (in sight) instead of writing for the global market.
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  Andrew0208posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. I've figured out that also late last year to be writing more for the local market; issues around me that I'm passionate about. My recent hubs written based on my locality are doing pretty well. Thanks.
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Richieb799posted 14 years ago
I heard somewhere that it hasnt been implemented in th UK yet? I have AskJeeves as my default, don't want the boss watching me as I work lol
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Mikeydoesposted 14 years ago
funny facebook status

#1 on Bing
#9 on Google
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And probably deservedly so.
  
  Ryan isn't being outranked by junk. I liked his page, I did share it, but honestly the stuff above him on Google is better.
  
  No offense, Ryan. That's just how I see it.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously since we are all seeing different things, I have no idea what you have seen placed above it Pcunix. Maybe they are better articles which end up ranking above me, but the ones that I saw bar-one or two were rip-offs of my article; I thought that the whole rewriting article spinning crap was what content farms had a bad rep for. Anyway, like I said, we are all seeing different things. If real quality outranks me, fair enough. If what I saw ranks above me, then that is a Google fail and won't improve the user-experience in the slightest.
  
  I will take whatever Google ends up giving me, but I just wish it would hurry up and settle so that we can all see where we stand.
  
  I sold more yesterday than I expected to on Amazon, my AdSense earnings are oblitarated, so if it stays the same then I can see Hubpages being used solely as a sales tool by me, with non-sales stuff being moved to my own domains.
  
  I would be happy to utilise Hubpages as a promotional tool to shift amazon stuff, but that is dependant on what happens over the next couple of weeks.
  
  Right now I have no idea. You could be seeing it in 9th having moved up from 16th, for all I know, although likely the other direction.
  
  I am seeing some stuff move up, lots of stuff move down, the decline hasn't finished yet. I guess that I just have to sweat it out, right now I am building a Wordpress site for Amazon sales. In all honesty, I prefer taking commissions over ad revenue, as a sale really is all that you need to confirm that a reader thought the information strong enough to influence their buying decision.
  
  AdSense is a game, to a certain degree, a lot more so than sales.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I'm not saying you deserve 9th place either. I probably would have put you in the 4th slot if I were rating them. But it's not me and my sense of humor is hardly typical anyway. If we took 5 million votes, maybe you would be #1.
  
  As you say, no telling where you will be next week.
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Spacey Graceyposted 14 years ago
And I am only coming if calm Ryan will be there - if angry scary Ryan is coming I can't cope..... and I need Las Vegas and San Fransisco pics.
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
on a completely cookie free, not logged in to any g accounts browser - Funny Facebook Status shows #1 for RK

scroogle matches

ive watched as a few hubs and websites that have jumped positions over the last 48 hours (down and up again), with various data centers and localized searches and well intentioned folks not realizing they are seeing personalized results its not surprising that you are seeing such different serps for one term.

The important part is obviously the traffic if thats gone who cares where it ranks!

The article I referenced Ryan did have a minor issue as it was using .ca/com comparison as that was the best that could be done, some localization difference is to be expected it was best used to show the effects across various UGC domains at the macro level.

i sent you page2 - page1 said "past algo switches had tumultuous returns after the following week and immediate results were not telling of the end results - we could very well be seeing live testing"

if they thought that they had done it just right, I think the algo switch would have been instituted in other country specific google searches by now
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Another good point and another argument in favor of waiting for the dust to settle.
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Spacey Graceyposted 14 years ago
I have no idea how scroogle works but it just doesn't look like it has adjusted to the Google changes. Normally the results I get between the two are reasonably similar but right now Scroogle is showing what I used to get off Google before the change.

Scroogle is still showing my most profitable hub as #1 but unless suddenly only 1/3 the number of people need to buy that item write now, the only explanation is the hub is not showing as number one for Google users.

I'm not stressed - just fascinated. Although I do stand to loose a hefty amount in the short term, I think long term it might work out better for my other plans.
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Spacey Graceyposted 14 years ago
Not really the point of this thread, but this seems to be where the post-Google update chat is happening.

http://www.sistrix.com/blog/985-google- … ality.html - just got that on Twitter, looked interesting but I have a 5 year old and 3 year old climbing on me so no time to digest it yet.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Big hit for HP.
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  ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeppers... poor hubpages. They'd only just got into profit, too.
  
  On the positive side, it trashed wisegeek, and I hate that site.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My personal most hated is Experts-exchange.com
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  ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I haven't been seeing Experts-Exchange in the google results for a week or two... sommat to do with a new pluggin, or some such.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto.
  
  Is it just me or EE pages are not on #1 and #2 of google last 6 months?
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno. They were the first thing I blocked with the Chrome extension.
  
  It's not that they have bad answers. It is their obnoxious "sign up" advertising.
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  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol@comment on demand media on that blog. Professionally written and well researched articles.
  
  http://www . ehow. com/how_4599111_big-mac-mcdonalds.html
  
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Sufidreamerposted 14 years ago
I've been browsing the Squidoo forums, and they are reporting drops. The official line seems to be 'wait and see,' hoping that the good content will rise to the top again, as well as making sure that they do more to combat low quality lenses and blatant spam.

Much the same as here, really
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Except we don't have an "official line" yet
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  Sufidreamerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  True!
  
  Although the post from the chief editor over there was quite inspiring, it was a little short on substance. I suspect that they have little idea what is going on but are trying to reassure the writers.
  
  I suppose that any official line here would be much the same - it is far too early for HP to make any substantial plan of action, although a little pep-talk would be nice
  
  http://www.squidu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=75762
  
  I think that it is open for general reading, without signing in
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  Mark Ewbieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting comments from the head Squid. Taking a tougher line on content.
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