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Is it just me or are the changes not working?

  1. thisisoli profile image72
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I have kept quiet about this for a while now, but after the Panda update I saw my traffic drop a little then normalize (as expected after any Google update).

    However since I made the changes required by Hubpages (and I assume changes enforced upon everybody else) I have seen steadily declining traffic, until I checked in on Google analytics today to see a steep drop to my first day in a long time on Hubpages with less than 1000 page views.

    I am not going to rage/quit, but I do think that Hubpages need to be careful with sweeping changes to an update, when there is still a lot of debate as to what the update changed (Keyfactors being supported the most at pubcon and AS 201l, and SEOmoz seem to point towards social signals and duplicate content being the biggest deciding factors, not amazon ratio's etc).

    While I am all for improving Hubpages quality, I think the steps being taken need to be reviewed of other people (Not just me, in which case it is on my shoulders) are seeing similar drops in traffic post-update.

    1. TattooVirgin profile image60
      TattooVirginposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I must agree, it seems any search results return rubbish and are completely off the mark.

      We humans searches for everything via search engines and now all we can find is nothing more than a few e answers that are weak and irrelevant.  GOOD POINT!

    2. pisean282311 profile image62
      pisean282311posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      google update has gone global from two days and so we are seeing huge drop...first update was applicable to google.com only but now it is applicable every where...

    3. prettydarkhorse profile image65
      prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      is the amazon/ebay capsule - words ratio implemented to increase SERP ranking or just to accommodate the new HP ADs program and google adsense ads - limiting outgoing links?

      1. thisisoli profile image72
        thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        They mentioned it was down to hubs with high ad to text ratios being affected by the Panda update more, personally I htink this correlation has been missunderstood, since low quality writers are more likely to use high numbers of ads.  Unfortunately the change scoops up higher quality writers, who use competitive ad placements.

        I don't think it is to do with the Hubpages ad program.

        1. Cheeky Girl profile image75
          Cheeky Girlposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Oli, and Maita, I haven't even seen a sniff of the new Ad program from Hub Pages and I don't know if it is any use. If you guys are trying it out, let me know... But reading this does worry me here. My website traffic has gone upwards in other areas but not in the hubs. I don't trust the Big G like I used to, and my hub earnings are reflecting that accordingly...

          The use of "White lists" by Google and Bing is another source of annoyance to me. It makes the whole Panda thing a sick joke.

          1. thisisoli profile image72
            thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            By ad to text ratio we are talking about the amount of text you need in relation to ebay/amazon capsules. The Hubpages Program is something different, that gives a fairly decent return.

            1. relache profile image91
              relacheposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              What I'm seeing now is greatly reduced from how I was seeing the HubPages Ads perform in February.   

              I think we've got a few weeks before the full effect of the global Panda rollout permeates everything.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Are you still running it? I was hoping to get a month of comparison with last month by turning it off for this month - but - now my traffic has changed again I suspect it will be a worthless comparison and I will have to run the HP program again to get a better one. sad

                1. relache profile image91
                  relacheposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I am still running it because this rollout is changing everything and I need fewer big bounces to see what's going on.  I'm going on the road in May, which means I won't be touching any of my web properties for several weeks, so that's probably when I'll start doing some definitive experiments.

                  I can have a clean couple of weeks where I don't even look at the stats, then just come back and can view a nice chunk of data that accumulated while I was away.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Sounds like a plan. smile I have no idea where things are either. I ran it for a month last month then turned it off this month to compare. Oh well......

          2. prettydarkhorse profile image65
            prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Cassie, I would like to cut the HP ads for four weeks to test it, but I didn't do it. Que sera. After the second Panda update, don't think O can test it more.

            The mean earning is stable for the HP ads, doesn't fluctuate as much.

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I think it's going to take minimum six months and maybe two years to get hub pages back to where it was. It depends on several factors, the biggest one being simply that Google changes its logarithms back to where content farms are given more recognition. I posted several news articles earlier today to show who gained traffic and who last traffic. Essentially, newspapers, print magazines, tv stations were given preference over content farms. There were a few exceptions.  I truly cannot see an overnight change happening here...

      1. thisisoli profile image72
        thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Most media sites are thought to have experienced a boost in SEO due to high social activities with FB/Twitter.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image80
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Ah yes, and since everything posted on social network sites is always clean, accurate info, they should indeed be boosted.

          Not.

          Hence the argument that content farms should rank lower may have truth to it, but certainly shouldn't be penalized when social network sites are essentially gossip columns splattered with op eds from a few internet rags. Doesn't add up. But if it's that way, then the message is to capitalize on social network sites.

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          Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'media' sites. Content farms are also media sites..

          1. thisisoli profile image72
            thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            If you take CNN and then take a look at the tweets/facebook activity (And yes number of organic backlinks) you will see a distinct difference to the social activity on Hubpages.

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              Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              thisisoli. I have no idea what you are talking about.  There is no way that you and I can measure what is happening. I posted some links this morning in a thread which measured which sites and increases and decreases. By measured, I mean software programs were used to do the calculations.

              I'm also not sure what you mean by social activity on hubpages. Are you speaking about the forums? I also don't understand what that has to do with our articles losing traffic. Sorry, I think I've lost something here in the translation... sad

              1. thisisoli profile image72
                thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Sophia, I have a large portfolio of sites which allows me to make some pretty good guesses, and I am friends with some of the biggest names in IM/SEO which means I also get to know first hand what their results are showing.

                I am also a member of sites such as SEOMoz which provide some very in depth information to subscribers, and they do a lot of technical research. 

                The data I am talking about has been discussed in depth at both Pubcon and affiliate summit, both of which happened just after the initial Panda update where I was able to talk and find out about the experiences of hundred of other large scale webmasters.

                The Sistrix report is unfortunately woefully inaccurate, many people have reported on how it contains very poor results which do not actually match what actually exists in search results (Not to mention they have an incredibly small data collection to work with).

                By social media I am referring in the most part to Facebook and Twitter.  Both Google and Bing have publicly stated that they have purchased access to the twitter firehose, and both of them use publicly available Facebook data in determining the Algorithm for SERPs.

                A story on CNN for instance would get at least a couple of hundred 'likes'. An article on Hubpages would most likely get one or two.

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                  Sophia Angeliqueposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  so, if the CNN articles gets more facebook likes and Hub Pages only gets two, doesn't that prove what Sistrix was saying? That CNN has increased its hits and most content farms have decreased their hits.?

                  1. thisisoli profile image72
                    thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    There may be some correlations, I was merely stating that the source is unreliable.

                  2. sunforged profile image74
                    sunforgedposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    No, as that particular metric would have already been leaning towards the big media sites. They could even have suffered less in the update as a result of the social integrity they display.

                    If HP and content farms lose search visibility they will of course also lose social "shares" but that is after the fact.

                    In HP's hey day , we still didn't even come close on the social media sharing front to any media site.

                  3. thisisoli profile image72
                    thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    I think you are also missing the point of my entire post, which was that there is a lot of reliable data out there from webmasters to help us draw some pretty concise conclusions as to what has happened with the Google Panda update.

            2. rebekahELLE profile image88
              rebekahELLEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              plus all the 'likes' and 'tweets' these sites (CNN, NYT, etc.) gain from their hundreds of articles.  I remember reading that last month.

              and the articles are retweeted by thousands...

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                This is because they employ a team of people to do this sort of work. I was offered a job doing this recently - the pay was lousy. sad

                Already signed up for a service to click the +1 button google has added for the spammers to rate up their pages. lol

                1. rebekahELLE profile image88
                  rebekahELLEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  big_smile so this is what they mean by jobs in social media??

                  sad, sad, sad. the world is crazy. I have 1 view last time I checked from google.UK It used to be my second highest traffic source.

      2. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        This is what I said in the first place. Rupert Murdoch pressured google in this by blocking the Google bot from WSJ and The Times. He threatened to block ALL his sites from the Google bot. As did all the other "media moguls." wink

        They were caught out by the sudden rise in popularity of hubpages-type sites and want their traffic back so he can tell the sheeple what to think and who to vote for.

        It is a new game and we need to adapt.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image80
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Money, sex and power.
          All is right in the world.

          roll

        2. lrohner profile image82
          lrohnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Sheeple!!! lol lol lol

        3. bgamall profile image81
          bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          This being forced by Rupert makes Google a disgusting and vile organization. This organization has no power to stand up to the crap sites.

          Rupert Murdoch is a terrorist who knew about 911 before it happened. I suggest Google is being threatened by a very odious creature. People are not getting the best information from Google now. They are promoting pure propaganda at the top of their search.

          1. IzzyM profile image90
            IzzyMposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Ugh! If Rupert Murdoch is involved, then so are the Bilderbergers. I already read somewhere that the CEO of Google is one too. Surprise surprise.

  2. thisisoli profile image72
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    For the record I know that Google Panda rolled out to English speaking countries on the 11th, however the traffic drop does not correlate accurately with this, and looking at my stats the drop I have suffered is in US traffic as well as other countries.

  3. lrohner profile image82
    lrohnerposted 6 years ago

    Oli -- My traffic had just about gone back to normal (sort of -- still lacking in US traffic) when Panda was rolled out to all of the other English-speaking countries the other day. My new downward traffic spiral is just reflective of the new rollout I believe.

    I think the changes that HP made aren't enough as there's still waaaay too much old garbage out there to allow us to regain any credibility. I also think it's too soon for any changes to have any effect whatsoever, even if we had thoroughly cleaned house.

    Just my two cents fwiw...

  4. Will Apse profile image93
    Will Apseposted 6 years ago

    My traffic more or less recovered after Panda US. I am expecting it recover from the latest changes too. There are no guarantees of course. It's just wait and see. Then panic later. Or not.

  5. Sally's Trove profile image84
    Sally's Troveposted 6 years ago

    I had no required changes to make as suggested by HP (no Amazon items or duplicate content to resolve), and only one Hub to change for having used too many tags. However, I did remove RSS and News capsules from nearly all my Hubs. After Panda my traffic decreased about 60 percent and has never returned.

    1. Aya Katz profile image83
      Aya Katzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      My experience is much like yours. I had very little to change, and did not get anything banned, because I was in compliance with the new rules to begin with. I was also not that good at marketing, and my hubs were geared toward Google search, rather than products.

      It's almost as if Hubpages now wish more people were like me, and are trying to make them churn out hubs more like mine. And yet they can't possibly make money that way, because I never made much money. Google and Amazon always rewarded the other style of hubbing much more, both with traffic and sales.

      And I have suffered, too, because my traffic is way down, as the site is still being penalized.

  6. recommend1 profile image72
    recommend1posted 6 years ago

    I seriously doubt that all the changes are to do with the Google issue, beneath it is the new Hubpages ad strategy.  Maybe the reason we are not seeing sound constant advice coming out of HP headquarters.

    From SEO Moz and  other authoratitive sources the changes that HP are making (in relation to Google) may not be close enough to the mark to make any appreciable difference - they will of course help to fill the financial void that has appeared I guess, and if I was being kind - would say for both HP and hubbers.

    For what it is worth - my poetry hubs are getting increasing views every day it seems, coinciding directly with the Google changes.  Tiny viewing figures in comparison to the money oriented people here - but doubling on the first change and rising steeply again on the second !!!!

    1. thisisoli profile image72
      thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      My personal sites are all doing great after the update.  Many of them did extremely well and then normalized.  The only sites I owned which suffered were my test bed sites with no unique content.   These sites also had little Social (FB Twitter) incorporation so looking back on what large scale tests have indicated, this may also have harmed them. 

      I stated from the get-go that a knee jerk reaction would be a mistake, most sites which just rode the wave have normalized (Though I did agree with removing duplicate articles (While allowing exceptions for quotes, lists, etc)).
      My worries at the moment are that the mass changes have caused some serious issues with SERPs, and a huge concern is that the unpublishing of many users pages to do with ad unit ratios (I know several high traffic hubbers over here only managed to get some of the portfolio fixed before their hubs were unpublished) has drastically reduced the amount of traffic generating content on Hubpages, which is negatively affecting us all further.

      I have enjoyed Hubpages for a long time, but I am not seeing any other site where I have high traffic portfolios suffer as much as here right now.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image80
        Daniel Carterposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Trouble is, Oli, I'm not able to find any real alternatives to HP right now, that aren't also potentially take some hits during this bitch-slap fest between Google and Bing/Yahoo. I think in the end, everyone is going to get penalized at least briefly till the dust settles, and as long as Bing/Yahoo gain ground, we could all get slapped around a lot. So I'm sitting tight, not doing much here, but trying to develop other options in other areas as well.

      2. prettydarkhorse profile image65
        prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        are your other sites older than HP perhaps??  and no duplicate content. Here they are currently cleaning up the site, take some time perhaps to recover. Plus they just introduced FB here less than a year ago. Some duplicate contents, spam, over promotions/using HP as backlinks hubs here are putting down other hubs!! Content farms are being replaced by UGC.

        @recommend1 Congrats on your poetry hubs, like Mark Knowles religious hubs (assumption - Xtians don't duplicate or copy content), perhaps they are less copied, LOL

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Don't be silly - most of their hubs are copied out of the bible. I would bet the majority is duplicate content. lol

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image65
            prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, sometimes am silly..

        2. thisisoli profile image72
          thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          A few of my sites are older, but many are younger, than hubpages.

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image65
            prettydarkhorseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            K. I think that Google can't really rank contents based on what they are saying - just quality content. I gather from what I read and researches that results are varied. The G likes to point out that we are the ones rating sites by how we interact with it when we visit a site, layout, content, duration of visit, block the site or not, likes - Facebook or we tweet them - twitter. The Google employee Biswanath Panda who studied "learning tree" (there was a forum before stressed by SF about the learning tree) and whose study was probably used by these updates implied that this is an unfinished and ongoing updates, so ranking is never permanent. It is updated everytime a user visits a site. (this is just my opinion).

            And of course there are some politics which we will never know. G is a business.

            Plus of course, we are coming to an age where some technology and gadgets, somehow contents and ads must comply to the specifications.

  7. thisisoli profile image72
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    As mentioned, I know the panda update rolled out to all English speaking countries, however the drops I am seeing include a huge amount of US traffic, not global.

    Another thought worth mentioning is that if Hubpages made all these changes to rectify for the Panda update, and yet they still lost traffic for the UK/other english speaking countries rollout, then it would indicate that the changes made did not target the key factors that were in the original panda update to US searches.

    1. ThomasE profile image74
      ThomasEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There are two roll outs, the first is the international panda roll out, but Google announced a roll out of another algorithm update in the US at the same time (one that will affect 2% of query, extending the panda algorithm to longer tail searches)

      1. thisisoli profile image72
        thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Will take a look in to this, is there an official google release? I must have missed it!

        1. ThomasE profile image74
          ThomasEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          See http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … -goes.html

          ". In some high-confidence situations, we are beginning to incorporate data about the sites that users block into our algorithms. In addition, this change also goes deeper into the “long tail” of low-quality websites to return higher-quality results where the algorithm might not have been able to make an assessment before. The impact of these new signals is smaller in scope than the original change: about 2% of U.S. queries are affected by a reasonable amount"

          1. thisisoli profile image72
            thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks, will look further in to this today!

          2. Aficionada profile image89
            Aficionadaposted 6 years agoin reply to this



            I'm curious - even though this quote indicated that it would affect a very small percentage of queries, would it still be worth deliberately using the Google site-blocking tool to give input to the G algorithm?  I generally avoid using G as a search engine.  But, I'm thinking that if I'm willing to spend time in Hub-hopping and flagging (which most Hubbers seem to agree has a limited impact so far), then maybe I should install the Google toolbar so that I can communicate to Google which sites I truly do not want to show up in my search results.  Would that be worthwhile - that is, if enough people did that?

            1. ThomasE profile image74
              ThomasEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              I don't know. I think Google is more crafty than that,,, probably. To block the site you need to be logged in. While logged in, google pretty much knows your biases, because it has access to the adsense data... it is unlikely to rate your view of your competitors highly.

              That's what I get from the phrase 'in some high-confidence situations".

              But... I have no idea, I have none at all, at this point no one has any solid analysis of Panda at all... let alone this new algorithm update.

              1. Aficionada profile image89
                Aficionadaposted 6 years agoin reply to this



                Boo.  Bummer!  Sure, that makes sense.

                If G can figure out which clicks are intentional and which are accidental, then I'm sure they could figure out which site-blockings were attempts to downgrade a competitor.

                But I actually do run numerous searches on topics that I don't write about at all, and I thoroughly dislike seeing certain specific sites show up at the top of the search.  Since Panda, I've taken to simply skipping down the page past those hits, until I get to something else that looks more reliable and promising to me.  I really wish Google would take note of that - but, of course, I'm not normally logged-in to Google when I do that.

                Hmm.  Thinking, thinking.....

          3. lakeerieartists profile image74
            lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Depending on how the long tail keyword changes were configured, this can have a big impact on sites like Hubpages where keyword research and looking for the long tail keyword for writing prompts is a large factor.

            1. thisisoli profile image72
              thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Don't forget that a large number of long tails have already been hit by instant search and Google's now invasive (Rather than helpful) auto correct features.

  8. AEvans profile image79
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    As long as I have been with HubPages it is simply growing pains. Things will settle down, hang in there all will work its way out. smile

  9. Daniel Carter profile image80
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    My numbers continue to worsen. There was a brief rebound, but that has completely gone. While I understand what Google is trying to achieve, I believe they have effectively created a similar scenario as big banks in America: made sure the money flows to the already internet rich, while the common internet earner figures out how to avoid financial disaster.

    The issue of quality content is very real, but I think Google is stacking all things internet in a direction they want. In the end I think it will bring them down since Bing/Yahoo are gaining ground. The writing on the wall is simply that a war is going to ensue for control/domination and the common internet earner is going to be penalized even further as this fight ensues.

    One of the things I'm considering is teaming up with a couple of SEO people and trying to get away from the content farm assumption the algo makes, and do some experimenting.

    At this point, even youtube becomes suspect under the new algo, which begs for high ranking competitors to move in and stir things up.

    I don't like the scenario. But it's clear I have to deal with it.

  10. rebekahELLE profile image88
    rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

    I think it's such a huge chaotic change that it will take months to see what will develop in the online world. But personally, I wouldn't put all my stakes in online anything, it's too unpredictable. Look at all the people who have hundreds of hubs that are doing nothing, or sites that barely get traffic.
    I think it's wise to take your talents and use them offline as well. The traditional work world is gone for good. I don't think we can depend on any one source of income as security.
    Darkside gave Waynett excellent advice in that regard on a recent thread.

    recommend, good for you. I do know it's National Poetry Month here in the US, I don't know if it's worldwide, but it possibly could be one reason for increased views. smile

  11. tritrain profile image82
    tritrainposted 6 years ago

    It usually takes a while (ie several weeks) to shake out the results.

    I would expect that we will see changes gradually, as pages from various sites move up or down in the SERPs.

    --Search Engine Results Page(s)--

  12. TomC35 profile image60
    TomC35posted 6 years ago

    Here is something funny: under traffic sources I had a -1 from google.com.au.

  13. Mutiny92 profile image80
    Mutiny92posted 6 years ago

    I can't say I am happy with being pandalyzed, but I do not see near as many blatantly BAD hubs in the inventory any more. To me, that is a great step in the right direction.

  14. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 6 years ago

    Twitter/Facebook are considered social media, social sharing has a place in search algorithms now. Its quite easy to see what Oil is referring to.

    Social Activity as shown by Facebook / Twitter

    New Posts on CNN for example,
    Today = 'Trump bid a political freak show?" 319 recommendations

    Hubs in our top list have 20-30 shares after years of being here. Although, the "best" hub right now has 11k.

    The Big Media Sites have a social interaction level that far exceeds HP. There are tools to track this if you are so inclined.

  15. sabrebIade profile image43
    sabrebIadeposted 6 years ago

    I'm thinking that we wont see a significant upswing until they do another algorithm change.
    Then just pray HP is on the right side of it.

  16. sunforged profile image74
    sunforgedposted 6 years ago

    ? You still talking systrix? Thats old news and as Oli stated not super reliable.

    Keep in mind most of us webmasters do NOT share our hard data with anyone. Systrix and similar SE0 studying ilk just use their own little proprietary algorithms to try and make sense of search results and then sell services, when major publishers who know their own stats check against sites like systrix or even quantcast they often notice that the 3rd party stats are garbage.

    I dont recall the purpose of this thread anymore, but in most cases, you can believe Oli's translation of an SEO situation over your own random findings and interpretations of possibly questionable data.

    Its not that its not "a source that you would use" its a source that you cant use. Access to site stats across dozens-hundreds locations, niches and styles is very informative when you are discussing it with people who know how to interpret their stats. Its probably the most useful tool that exists. Humans with knowledge.

    1. rebekahELLE profile image88
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      +


      guys like you and thisoli are informed marketers, many of us listen and learn.

  17. thisisoli profile image72
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    I also seemed to remember that sistrix had a highly limited data set, they only monitored 10,000, 100,000 keywords. Something like that. Now imagine the tens of millions of different keywords that are searched for every single day.

    I would much sooner rely on what is actually happening to the webmasters out there than what a report based on a limited amount of data can tell us.

  18. Maddie Ruud profile image80
    Maddie Ruudposted 6 years ago

    The changes we have made and are making (there's more to come) are not purely reactionary.  We were already hammering out the kinks in changes we knew we wanted to make when Panda hit.  I see it as unfortunate timing, since now of course whatever we do looks like a reaction to the update, but the team is working hard to make decisions because they're the right thing to do to improve HubPages, not because we're pandering to Google.  Of course, we can't ignore Google, but it isn't good business to simply do the minimum; we want to stay ahead of the curve as far as making and keeping HP the best place to publish online.  We're confident Google will recognize that.

    1. Mark Ewbie profile image86
      Mark Ewbieposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Although I am one of the moaning types - your comments are much appreciated.  As a small effort of my own to stem the tidal wave of garbage I will hold off from publishing a hub tonight.

      1. canadawest99 profile image59
        canadawest99posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Maddie, we appreciate the response, but you know what, it will just be something different with google again in 6 months.  Their definition of quality will always be changing after people have given them content according to their last definition.  Its really a huge game and we, the content providers, are the losers.

        Why doesn't google just develop some bots to go make the content they want.

        1. Maddie Ruud profile image80
          Maddie Ruudposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Exactly.  That's why our attitude here at HP is not just to try to react to Google changes as they happen, but to make the best site we possibly can, and trust that search engines will figure out how to get the best content to bubble to the top.

    2. bgamall profile image81
      bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If Rupert Murdoch is leaning on Google, propaganda will be at the top of search.

    3. lrohner profile image82
      lrohnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You meant to say "panda-ing," right? smile

      1. bgamall profile image81
        bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Or Pandaganda! I made a new word Maddie!!!

    4. Sally's Trove profile image84
      Sally's Troveposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What is important to me is that HP is a site where I can get my non-niche writings read and recognized. I learned three years ago that my writings would get more exposure here than on my own website.

      HP had been a door to positive google returns on searches for my articles when I started here and up to February 23 of this year. This is no longer the case. My traffic has tanked to 35 percent of what it was pre-panda.

      But I think HP is visionary, as it was from the start. They had a good idea to start out with, and I don't see them as quitters when times get tough.

      I'm hanging in here with my eclectic stuff.

  19. BristolBoy profile image78
    BristolBoyposted 6 years ago

    In the UK the Google changes have had the effect of leading to a HUbpages drop of 85.72% over the last couple of days ( http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-go … ofts-ciao/ ).  Look in the table at the bottom of this link.

    1. thisisoli profile image72
      thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      While it's nice to know that some of these things were planned before the update, there was also mention of how things such as the ad capsule ratio limit was the result of statistical research in to the update.  This in itself has caused the loss of high quality content that missed the deadline on fixing the ratio.

      I think that this decision lumped high quality sales hubs in with poor quality sales hubs, and a lot of us have suffered because of it.

      Don't get me 100% wrong on this, I support a lot of the moves Hubpages are making (Big thumbs up to dropping a large amount of the duplicate content out there). But by doing all these things at once you are limiting how you can analyse the beneficial and negative effects each change is making to Hubpages.

  20. Greek One profile image74
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    I get less traffic than a brothel in the vatican sad

    1. thisisoli profile image72
      thisisoliposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      400 hits a day is pretty low tongue

    2. bgamall profile image81
      bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It's take out Greek one. smile

  21. relache profile image91
    relacheposted 6 years ago

    Despite the fact that Google made some changes that had drastic effects within a day, on this end of the equation effective change takes a lot longer.

    After the Google devaluation happened to Squidoo in the summer of 2007, it really took about 2 years for the site to rebound, and it survived the Panda update much more strongly for how it's structured presently.

    It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it takes a year or even a bit longer for HubPages to regain traction, audience and earnings.

    1. lakeerieartists profile image74
      lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I would suspect that you are quite right, relache.

    2. bgamall profile image81
      bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Squidoo was hit with this Euro thing. Down 53 percent visability.

      1. lakeerieartists profile image74
        lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        If you are talking from this update, my Squidoo has not been affected much at all.

        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4916229.jpg

        1. bgamall profile image81
          bgamallposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I am talking about Squidoo as a whole. It was on the chart that showed Hubpages hit about 85 percent.

          1. lakeerieartists profile image74
            lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            All these charts are interesting to see, but from what I have heard, most of the active Squidoo lensmasters were not really affected over their entire accounts by the last Panda hit.  This one is a bit early to tell.

            For instance, they may have had one or two lenses affected but others have made up for that.  Nothing at all like the overall hit we are experiencing here.  Once again, another reason to diversify.

  22. barryrutherford profile image74
    barryrutherfordposted 6 years ago

    Here in Australia I have seen two hit one when was it five weeks or so-then the figures started to restore. ago Now  another hit this week.  So that make me wonder about the global roll out when i was hit anyway five weeks ago

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I was OK till this morning when Google died. smile

  23. mcimicata profile image61
    mcimicataposted 6 years ago

    My overall traffic from all of my web 2.0 properties did not decline that much; however, my hubpages traffic seemed to drop tremendously!

  24. Mutiny92 profile image80
    Mutiny92posted 6 years ago

    Panda, Round 1, cut my traffic and earnings dramatically.  Panda, Round 2, seems to have finished it off.  Most telling to me is the immediate impact this has had on my amazon-style hubs.  My views dropped off to <1 per hub on average.  My clicks into amazon have dropped by another 50%. 

    At first, I thought this was an anomaly as this affected countries other than the US and I suspected that they did not use amazon.com, but rather .uk.  It looks like I was wrong.  I don't know if these style of hubs were impacted by the 2% additional change that Google was talking about, or if something else happened.

    I am crossing my fingers for a long term recovery, but I think my time might be better spent on my own websites.  I hope that management reports on the recovery status soon - maybe a weekly update?

    In the meantime, "Go Bing!"

    1. lakeerieartists profile image74
      lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is too early to tell what the latest change will do, but there is no question that watching and learning is part of the equation.  In the meantime, though I am working on other projects, and adding stuff to drive some traffic here to specific related hubs.


      Edited to say:  Due to the fact that US income taxes are due tomorrow by midnight, it is not surprising that shopping has slowed this week.  Many people here do them at the last minute.  So we may see some rebound in the next couple of weeks just from that alone.

      1. Mutiny92 profile image80
        Mutiny92posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        that's smart.  Of course, the risk in NOT adding more hubs NOW is that we will lose the benefit of having an "aged" hub when the recovery DOES happen.  I think about the opportunity cost of not adding more now, in prep for the holiday season.

        1. lakeerieartists profile image74
          lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          This is a balancing act.  I will continue to write hubs, but my first priority is to get my income back now.  Second priority is to get future income.

          Once I can assure myself that I have completed phase one (income now), then I can move on to phase two (future income).  wink

          1. Mutiny92 profile image80
            Mutiny92posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            good luck!  I am spending a lot more time with my site in order to build it up in the meantime!

      2. Aya Katz profile image83
        Aya Katzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Actually, taxes are not officially due till the 18th, due to Emancipation Day.

        But the Atlas Shrugged movie opens tomorrow...

        1. lakeerieartists profile image74
          lakeerieartistsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Hmmmm. . .when did they change it to the 18th?

          1. Aya Katz profile image83
            Aya Katzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know exactly when they did that, but here is the link:

            http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,, … 10,00.html

    2. Stacie L profile image91
      Stacie Lposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I have started to list my articles on Bing and yahoo myself...

  25. Aya Katz profile image83
    Aya Katzposted 6 years ago

    Agreed. Go Bing!

  26. lakeerieartists profile image74
    lakeerieartistsposted 6 years ago

    So it is really only true this year.  Never heard of Emancipation Day before.  smile

    1. Aya Katz profile image83
      Aya Katzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. It's only for this year. Emancipation Day is an official holiday in the District of Columbia, and all DC holidays impact tax deadlines just as if they were Federal holidays.

 
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