Have Fun With Hopping...

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   Mark Ewbieposted 12 years ago

   Not really, but I livened it up a bit tonight.
   
   The Hub Hopper is not great at picking up serious amounts of garbage.  I don't know why that is.
   
   So for weeks now I have just been looking at Latest Hubs and finding it easy to spot the blatant stuff.
   
   Tonight I tried Latest Hubbers.  Oh man.  Even easier.  Anyone without a pic or a profile take a look.  Then take a closer look at the phrasing.  Flag as spun, flag the 'Hubber' as a spinner... and move on.
   
   Anyone with a number in their name pay close attention.
   
   Bored with it now.  If only there was some way to tighten up the new hubber rules... hmmmm?
   
   Edit: Oh yeah.. the fun part - this is my 'best' tonight...
   
   "Amazon is a trusted armpit area your website or blog visitors can anon acquirement the articles you advertise, and back they do, you can acquire up to 15% in barometer fees."

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      Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No thanks, I am boycotting hopping hubs until HP makes up their mind whether they want quality content published or not!  Or, until one of the staff gives a reasonable explanation of the benefit of allowing them to be published in the first place.  Or, until hell freezes over, whichever happens first! 

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         Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's a fair position Randy and I see where you are coming from.  It's all a bit depressing really.

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            Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Of course it's fair, Mark!  I would be more than glad to help moderate new hubber's first few articles to see if they can write a reasonably decent hub before allowing them full access to publishing, so it's not like I don't want to help out.
            
            I am not wasting my time however, when HP allows these spun and spammy hubs to be published first.  They want to let it on, let them find it! 

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               Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               There is more and more reliance on hubbers to provide article screening. This model will have a tough time succeeding in the long run. Other methods should be developed, especially now that folks see the heavy workload. I don't mind helping out periodically, but there are limits...

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                  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I think many of us feel the same way, Mutiny! I am happy to help with things which would tend to benefit this site, but in return I want to know why it is necessary to do it in this manner.
                  
                  Unless HP has something to hide, they will eventually give a rational explanation for this particular system.  If not, they deserve what they end up with.  IMHO

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                     Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I think the system worked under the old paradigm. With the new and newly enforced rules, the true level of effort is being witnessed.

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                  Maddie Ruudposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually, we have hired 3 new moderators in the last few weeks, and are busy getting them up to speed.  We definitely appreciate all the flagging you guys do, but rest assured we are not basing our business model on volunteer hopping from the community.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     So what about the business model reasons for letting the junk be published first?  Giving a few advantages of doing so would sure go a long way towards helping us understand HP's motives in this area. 

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                        Maddie Ruudposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        We are constantly working on new ways to prevent spam and crap from being published (for example, the new SMS verification will help with that, once we've properly tested it).  It's a constant balancing act, though, as I'm sure you can understand.  We do not want to antagonize well-intentioned users, either.  The community is simultaneously bemoaning the policy changes we've made, the automated warnings, the wording of moderation emails... and at the same time is outraged that there is still low-quality content on the site.  It's a tough line to tow, but we're doing our best and appreciate all your feedback.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I do understand your plight and commiserate with the workload you guys are under, Maddie.  Tell you what, I'll delay my hubhopping boycott for a while to show my willingness to help out, but I am keeping an eye out on what you guys let on the site too. 
                           
                           I've never seen this type of system work for eliminating the junk on any writing site before.  Some of those which did use a similar system ain't around nowadays while others won't be around much longer.  Just sayin'! 
                           
                           Thanks for at least addressing the issue.

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                           Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           And now we know the reason why.  I understand from Jason that there is no attempt to prioritize your moderating efforts, and that all flags are just dealt with in chronological order.
                           
                           This explains the community's biggest complaint - that moderators are wasting time getting tough over minor infractions, while the real offenders are still out there.
                           
                           Isn't there some way moderators could skip flags on good, established Hubbers and concentrate on the dross?  You could base that judgment on Hubber Score or HubScore.
                           
                           I'm not suggesting you never moderate established Hubbers,just that you push them to the end of the queue, since there's a good chance the problems with their Hubs are smaller than Hubbers with low scores.

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      DIYweddingplannerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Please!  Sign me up for those 15% barometer fees!

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         ajcorposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         me too particularly if it is in the armpit of amazon!

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   seanorjohnposted 12 years ago

   Are we all seeing the same hubs when we hop? I think we are. There aren't many to hop and thus it makes litttle difference. The big problem is the previously published rubbish.

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   Michael Willisposted 12 years ago

   LOL, and the Week begins with a couple of 2 Great New Hubs I found Hub Hopping!

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      Mutiny92posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      dang!  they get removed FAST!

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         Michael Willisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         LOL, sure did! Ah, they were some great reading.  (Not!)

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   leahleflerposted 12 years ago

   I've been going through the New Hubber route for a while - it is the fastest way find spam and spun articles. My favorite from today (a spun article on golf):
   
   "Lee Trevino was the grasp of how to hit a draw or fade and he after stated he can make the ball hit the green like a butterfly with sore feet."

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      Michael Willisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes they are so bad that they can bring a comedic relief!

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